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korrey
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:57:00 -
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This thread is for the Devs only. If none answer the oh well, I guess back to Battlefield 2 or World of Warcraft. This thread is also not another Amarr complaint thread. If thats what it turns into then Ill delete it.
Devs, Tux, I dont care who. Dont you even see anything going on in these forums? Or too busy making Caldari, Minmatar and Gallente better?
What the **** is wrong with you? Theres only 4 races in the game. 1 of them is insanely good. 2 of them are fairly good and even better with higher skills. 1 of them also sucks so morbidly its rediculous. Do you not see this?
I would like a response from the devs. Just 1 if thats all you can give. But answer these.
Why do you respond when something insignificant needs fixing but when 1 WHOLE race is screwed you dissapear?
And why hasnt someone even once, just 'Confirmed' that Amarr are terrible? Do you even fly amarr? Have you even looked at them in the last month?
I can see, whether it bee Customer support or just game developement...Eve is not the game for me. Its fun but things that need fixing most just arent getting done.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:59:00 -
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OH MY GOD THE SKY IS FALLING
Amarr had it good for years. Now things are getting balanced you're *****ing?
LOL, just LOL.
TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Twilight Moon on 23/06/2006 15:00:14
Get used to it. Minmatar used to suck, its Amarr's turn now. Christ look at Gallante...they only just got their Blasters tweaked after 3 years.
I hear next month the Caldari are going to give being crap a go. 
Oh, and btw....you cant ask, and expect only Dev's to reply in a public forum. The whole point is debate.
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Exavier Macbeth
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:07:00 -
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The reason the Devs don't reply to MOST threads about heated issues. (No i am not a Dev... for this game :P )
Basicly when it is a heated issue as soon as the devs post in the thread any further ideas that thread my have created goes out the window as it turnes into an "I love you/I Hate you for the changes" discussion. Feel free to look in any thread the devs posted in on any major topic. You will immediatly notice that the next 2-3 pages after dev post is complete garbage (even if its compliments its unconstructive).
This was mentioned by Tuxford specificly in a Dev blog he did (or was it an actual thread i can't remember now). Whats sad is its true for any game.
In My Opinion there are many aspecs of the game currently broke and some of them since release 3 years ago when i started playing. However I thank Tuxford for all his work. I think i have seen more positive looking changes in since he took over than i have in a long time. And at a rate that looks promissing. I will take minor changes every few weeks over 1 Major patch that usually breaks more than it fixes any day of the week.
Ok i have said my peace.
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Satomila Kunis
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Satomila Kunis on 23/06/2006 15:12:55
Edited by: Satomila Kunis on 23/06/2006 15:10:46
 Originally by: korrey
This thread is for the Devs only. If none answer the oh well, I guess back to Battlefield 2 or World of Warcraft. This thread is also not another Amarr complaint thread. If thats what it turns into then Ill delete it.
Well this is some amount of irony. WoW has been the worst when it came to ping pong between which class was uber which patch.
WoW's dev response? When have you EVER seen that on their forums? You normally only ever get the Community Managers on there.
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What the **** is wrong with you? Theres only 4 races in the game. 1 of them is insanely good. 2 of them are fairly good and even better with higher skills. 1 of them also sucks so morbidly its rediculous. Do you not see this?
I would like a response from the devs. Just 1 if thats all you can give. But answer these.
Why do you respond when something insignificant needs fixing but when 1 WHOLE race is screwed you dissapear?
And why hasnt someone even once, just 'Confirmed' that Amarr are terrible? Do you even fly amarr? Have you even looked at them in the last month?
If they're terrible, fly something else then. You're not locked down to flying JUST one race's ships. If you don't want to for whatever reason, then adapt. Being uber in EVE is defined by how quickly and how well you can adapt to your situation, opponent, etc. Not by how pwn-ish your ship is.
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I can see, whether it bee Customer support or just game developement...Eve is not the game for me. Its fun but things that need fixing most just arent getting done.
P.S. Enjoy a different game then. Please.
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Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:14:00 -
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To the OP : have fun on WoW, can I have your stuff when you leave ?
Hint : an aggressive post calling for a Dev answer will get you nothing.
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korrey
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:15:00 -
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Minmatar are fine now. Caldari are fine now. Gallante are definately fine now.
Amarr? Still horrible. Ok? So forget anything I wrote on the first post and think of this...
Why are the Devs (And this has happened countless times before) working on fairly -none- important stuff when theres a whole RACE thats broken. And yeah maybe theres some 3 year old stuff that hasnt been fixed, but none of them are affecting thousands of players daily because there race cant do jack damage to armor and cant outtank any other ship in EVE.
Besides maybe EMC but I wont go there.
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Weirda
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:16:00 -
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the problem is that you are wrong.
if you were right - then it would be devs problem, but you not.
sarmaul qft.
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Selak Zorander
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: korrey
Minmatar are fine now. Caldari are fine now. Gallante are definately fine now.
Amarr? Still horrible. Ok? So forget anything I wrote on the first post and think of this...
Why are the Devs (And this has happened countless times before) working on fairly -none- important stuff when theres a whole RACE thats broken. And yeah maybe theres some 3 year old stuff that hasnt been fixed, but none of them are affecting thousands of players daily because there race cant do jack damage to armor and cant outtank any other ship in EVE.
Besides maybe EMC but I wont go there.
First, yes they look at amarr too. Tachyons just got a slight damage increase or did you completely forget that part.
Also, up until the last few months the ship advice has always been fly ravens or fly amarr. When I started, if you did not fly amarr then you supposedly had little clue about the game (i know that is not entirely true but amarr pilots tried to have everyone believe that). It all changed with the stancking penalty nerf a few patches ago when fitting more damage mods did not get you much (before after the 6th mod you actually started getting more bonus for each tech 2 damage mod you fit). Who could take advantage of that little nice thing? Why only the amarr mostly since they have the most low slots of anyone.
Now that they have fixed a few things that were serious problems for other races, everyone that got use to how the amarr where are complaining because they are more closely balanced with everyone else. Besides, they still have the best armor tank abilities in game for their classes.
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Angus McLein
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:24:00 -
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Personally I think hes right. As follows.
...Do you fly Amarr wierda? Probably not. And if you do youve probably got amarr frigate 1 and thinks the Executioner pwns all.
Seriously though, I fly caldari and Gallente up to BS so adapting isnt much of a problem.
The problem is that numerous people eaech day are singing up to play EVE and at some of them choose amarr. So they get started in an amarr character, realize they suckr and either quite eve or if their smart, switch races.
Not how you want you MMORPG to be played having people leaeve just because there main race is craptastic. And people have been paying $15 a month to spec in amarr with millions of sp in amarr ships and weapons...noly to find there many months of training and RL money were worthless. Again not a way you want your MMORPG to be played.
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Tassi
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:29:00 -
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After reading this I am ashamed of being an amarr 
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korrey
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:32:00 -
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Best armor tank in the game? LOL how long have you been playing? Or at least when was the last time you logged on?
Dominix vs Apoc. Dominix can EMC you to death, NOS you to death, drone you to death and STILL have the same tank as an apoc.
Its gotten to the point where 'Who cant tank as good as amarr?'
(Oh and btw give me one good amarr pvp ship besides curse and armageddon and ill give you another races equivalent that will murder it.)
moving along. Omen vs Moa. Omen is supposed to be a gank ship. All damage. Moa is supposed to be a nice blasterboat.
Moa can do more damage and STILL fit a better tank PLUS emc if the need be.
Maller vs Thorax...Need I even talk about it? Well for fun I will.
Ok mallers got a nice big 1600mm plate and some resistance plus a med rep...not bad. Oh wait...its got freakin frigate guns...
Ok Thorax. Formidable tank and guess what? as a bonus is can even use Medium guns  ...and NOS to kill the mallers tank.
Apoc vs Tempest. Apocs tank is nice but doesnt do jack damage. Tempest has pretty much just as good of a tank and does amazing damage. Plus apoc gets nossed to death.
Does no one notice that amarr cant even touch the waters of PVP without getting screwed over? Aside from the curse and Armageddon + a few (I mean a very FEW) t2 ships...amarr is retarded.
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Stanis
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:32:00 -
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I hope you all Ammar whiners just die.
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korrey
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Stanis
I hope you all Ammar whiners just die.
Dont worry...we are on the battlefield... 
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Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Angus McLein
Personally I think hes right. As follows.
...Do you fly Amarr wierda? Probably not. And if you do youve probably got amarr frigate 1 and thinks the Executioner pwns all.
Seriously though, I fly caldari and Gallente up to BS so adapting isnt much of a problem.
The problem is that numerous people eaech day are singing up to play EVE and at some of them choose amarr. So they get started in an amarr character, realize they suckr and either quite eve or if their smart, switch races.
Not how you want you MMORPG to be played having people leaeve just because there main race is craptastic. And people have been paying $15 a month to spec in amarr with millions of sp in amarr ships and weapons...noly to find there many months of training and RL money were worthless. Again not a way you want your MMORPG to be played.
Too good to resist : the Executionner needs Amarr Frigate 2 to be flown, seems like your grasp of Amarr ships is a bit lacking ...
Anyway, on topic :
I can fly on almost all T1 ships (still working on Min Cruiser 3 to 4 before Min BS), with their "racial" weapons ... before the "stacking penalty patch", I thought that the Amarr ships were grossly overpowered (in my humble, personnal opinion), the Gankaggedon with 8 Heat Sink IIs was a real nightmare, but since that patch I find them "just good" ...
I'm a carebear, and I'm proud of being PvP-clueless, but I've never had a problem damaging the armor of the NPCs in my missions (lvl 1 to 4, juggling agents and Empires), even the ones with very high resistances ... the tank is solid enough, you just take a bit of time to munch through the armor.
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Tassi
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Stanis
I hope you all Ammar whiners just die.
It is amarr. So you don't want the amarr whiners to die?
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Exavier Macbeth
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:36:00 -
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So much for this NOT turning into an Amarrian suck thread lol
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Imperial Coercion
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Now things are getting balanced
You dropped out of high school didnt you?
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killerco
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:37:00 -
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Edited by: killerco on 23/06/2006 15:39:17
Originally by: korrey
Minmatar are fine now. Caldari are fine now. Gallante are definately fine now.
Amarr? Still horrible. Ok? So forget anything I wrote on the first post and think of this...
Why are the Devs (And this has happened countless times before) working on fairly -none- important stuff when theres a whole RACE thats broken. And yeah maybe theres some 3 year old stuff that hasnt been fixed, but none of them are affecting thousands of players daily because there race cant do jack damage to armor and cant outtank any other ship in EVE.
Besides maybe EMC but I wont go there.
In the early days of eve (about the time the first BS-ses came too town) Armar had the best damage off all eve Tachyons fired like crazy on armarr BS. So they reduced that a while back.
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Decima Sapphire
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Decima Sapphire on 23/06/2006 15:41:12
wahhhh
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: korrey
Maller vs Thorax...Need I even talk about it? Well for fun I will.
Ok mallers got a nice big 1600mm plate and some resistance plus a med rep...not bad. Oh wait...its got freakin frigate guns...
beep beep beep ---> moron alert
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Imperial Coercion
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Selak Zorander
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Tachyons just got a slight damage increase or did you completely forget that part.
To be honest id rather not get that boost and go back to the way things were pre RMR. That utter crap patch shafted Amarr hard!
Amarr needs love from the devs damnit!. |
Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: korrey
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moving along. Omen vs Moa. Omen is supposed to be a gank ship. All damage. Moa is supposed to be a nice blasterboat.
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WRONG !
The Moa is supposed to be a sniping, long range RAILboat.
And to have that "formidable tank" on the Thorax, you also need a 1600mm plate and frig guns.
To me, that last post of yours proved how mis-informed you are, and nothing more.
Oh, and drop the 'tude.
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Imperial Coercion
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gaiam
Originally by: korrey
Maller vs Thorax...Need I even talk about it? Well for fun I will.
Ok mallers got a nice big 1600mm plate and some resistance plus a med rep...not bad. Oh wait...its got freakin frigate guns...
beep beep beep ---> moron alert
WARNING WARNING!
IRONY OVERLOAD!!!!
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Imperial Coercion
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Imperial Coercion on 23/06/2006 15:41:54
Originally by: Tassi
After reading this I am ashamed of being an amarr
QFT. However I use any chance I get to whine these days, this thread is as good as anyother.
Amarr needs love from the devs damnit!. |
Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Imperial Coercion
Originally by: Selak Zorander
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Tachyons just got a slight damage increase or did you completely forget that part.
To be honest id rather not get that boost and go back to the way things were pre RMR. That utter crap patch shafted Amarr hard!
you can say that too to minmatar, and twice as hard.
in addition to that "OMG AMARR SUCK OMG!" I reply with a big HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
HA!
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Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Bentguru
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:43:00 -
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As an amarr specced pilot, I can assure you that amarr does not suck.
Geddon was and still is a terrific mid-range ship.
Curse is omgwtfpwn, to put it lightly.
Arbitrator can be scary if used well, I regularly own thoraxs with it.
Crusader is an awesome inty.
Apoc is a long range beast, and coupled with nospoc is very scary indeed.
Zealot is definitely one of the better HACs.
Pilgrim is like a mini-curse, so is also pwn.
Lasers do more DPS then any other weapon.
I fail to see why people are whining. Probably because they're under the delusion that their megapulse geddon should get right up against that blasterthron, or other such nonsense.
Here's an idea, the geddon can fit 5 heavy drones. Stick 4 beserker II's and a webber drone in there. Keep your quarry at 20-28km range (depending if you have nos or not), and slam his ass with 3 types of damage while he runs around like an idiot with his head cut off because his blasters couldn't hit a moon at that range.
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korrey
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:43:00 -
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Yeah this is pretty much the thread I didnt want...
As for a few posts up, Getting throug rats armor is amazingly easy. Were talking about ships with 80-90 resistance to Em and Thermal...our main damage type.
And again for a few posts up. This *ISNT pre-rmr anymore so bringing back things about when Omens could fit doomsday guns on them dont help the situation. Those days are over...by far.
And yes I agree taking amarr of its pedastal was a good idea, but not this far. Now we went from being one of the more feared races in eve to the :
'Hey! Its an amarr battleship lets outtank it with our tristans then kill him with our standard bloodclaw missiles and 2 50m railguns.'
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Jerick Ludhowe
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: korrey
Best armor tank in the game? LOL how long have you been playing? Or at least when was the last time you logged on?
Dominix vs Apoc. Dominix can EMC you to death, NOS you to death, drone you to death and STILL have the same tank as an apoc.
Ok this proves it, you're just a troll. Have fun playing possibly the worst mmo with the worst dev team, enjoy WoW you clown.
As for amarr sucking? Maybee just on the cruiser level, and that is because people tend to forget that amarr are mid range fleet ships instead of solo pwnmobiles like gallente and minmatar. Pulse lasers are probably one of the best fleet weapons simple because of the ease of use. They have decent range with damage only surpased by blasters(maybee torps too) and have great tracking, stack a few assisting pulse laser ships and you are going to do pretty well in small scale engagments.
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Tassi
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Posted - 2006.06.23 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Imperial Coercion
Originally by: Selak Zorander
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Tachyons just got a slight damage increase or did you completely forget that part.
To be honest id rather not get that boost and go back to the way things were pre RMR. That utter crap patch shafted Amarr hard!
The tachyon boost is totally at the wrong place. Seriously, are the devs ALWAYS drunken? Even the most ebil pirates get sober from time to time, devs not?
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