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Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.06.23 15:45:00 - [31] Originally by: Grimpak you can say that too to minmatar, and twice as hard. Then you dont have a clue. You can armour tank better than before. And even though you cant fit your t2 howitzer temp with nothing but damage mods anymore you can still hit people hard. Amarr needs love from the devs damnit!.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.23 15:46:00 - [32] Your lack of knowledge about this game combined with your ego is stunning tbh. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Kery Nysell	Posted - 2006.06.23 15:48:00 - [33] Originally by: korrey Yeah this is pretty much the thread I didnt want... As for a few posts up, Getting throug rats armor is amazingly easy. Were talking about ships with 80-90 resistance to Em and Thermal...our main damage type. And again for a few posts up. This *ISNT pre-rmr anymore so bringing back things about when Omens could fit doomsday guns on them dont help the situation. Those days are over...by far. And yes I agree taking amarr of its pedastal was a good idea, but not this far. Now we went from being one of the more feared races in eve to the : 'Hey! Its an amarr battleship lets outtank it with our tristans then kill him with our standard bloodclaw missiles and 2 50m railguns.' Are you aware that some of the NPC rats that you can find in missions have resistances in the 80-90 range ? Did you even read my post, specifically the "even the ones with very high resistances" part ?.?
Stanis	Posted - 2006.06.23 15:48:00 - [34] huh I've seen many funny things here, and not many ppl replyed even! :D korrey : I hate ppl who whine. Yes you can't fit the same fit I use on my Thorax, but you can do other things. NOT EVERY SHIP SHOULD BE THE SAME. And all you whiners are just trying that. PLS give more this/that to Maller so it can be the same as Thorax/Moa/Whatever. Use YOUR ship ADVANTAGES. If you can't see them, your loss :P. I agree then Ammar need something atm to make them more in lines with other races, but it's not what you all whiner want so I hope you all die bcs I hate the forum spam I am seeing every day. Tux this, Tux that, can you look at my ass and ****. Nothing personal though, I love Ammarians :)
Angus McLein	Posted - 2006.06.23 15:49:00 - [35] The damage increase? Whats that like another 3 dps added to the apocs already 10dps? I would have rather dumped the bonus and lowered the fitting pre-reqs and we'll call it even.
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.06.23 15:50:00 - [36] Originally by: Imperial Coercion Originally by: Grimpak you can say that too to minmatar, and twice as hard. Then you dont have a clue. You can armour tank better than before. And even though you cant fit your t2 howitzer temp with nothing but damage mods anymore you can still hit people hard. stacking mods nerfed alpha strike badly, together with the HP increase of all ships. and guess what was the main thing for the howitzers in minmatar ships? ah yes alpha strike is no longer that good. So now we have ships that can tank good, fire with a good ammount of damage in form of DOT and stuff (amarr), and you have ships that base themselves in hi-damage alpha strike weapons that can no longer do such thing as good as it was before (I miss the 2000 to 3000 dmg wrecking shots in tempest) and in the lack of tanking ability. ...wich one's better? ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
blood red	Posted - 2006.06.23 15:51:00 - [37] Originally by: Bentguru Edited by: Bentguru on 23/06/2006 15:47:53 As an amarr specced pilot, I can assure you that amarr does not suck. Geddon was and still is a terrific mid-range ship. Curse is omgwtfpwn, to put it lightly. Arbitrator can be scary if used well, I regularly own thoraxs with it. Crusader is an awesome inty. Apoc is a long range beast, and coupled with nospoc is very scary indeed. Zealot is definitely one of the better HACs. Pilgrim is like a mini-curse, so is also pwn. Lasers do more DPS then any other weapon. I fail to see why people are whining. Probably because they're under the delusion that their megapulse geddon should get right up against that blasterthron, or other such nonsense. Here's an idea, the geddon can fit 5 heavy drones. Stick 4 beserker II's and a webber drone in there. Keep your quarry at 20-28km range (depending if you have nos or not), and slam his ass with 3 types of damage while he runs around like an idiot with his head cut off because his blasters couldn't hit a moon at that range. And look, now you have an extra mid slot to fit a multispec or ECCM in! So go shove that domi pwnmobiles noses and ECM up it's ass id bet alot of isk that this pilot does not run 1600mm plate or small guns on his amarr cruisers.
Tassi	Posted - 2006.06.23 15:52:00 - [38] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Imperial Coercion Originally by: Grimpak you can say that too to minmatar, and twice as hard. Then you dont have a clue. You can armour tank better than before. And even though you cant fit your t2 howitzer temp with nothing but damage mods anymore you can still hit people hard. stacking mods nerfed alpha strike badly, together with the HP increase of all ships. and guess what was the main thing for the howitzers in minmatar ships? ah yes alpha strike is no longer that good. So now we have ships that can tank good, fire with a good ammount of damage in form of DOT and stuff (amarr), and you have ships that base themselves in hi-damage alpha strike weapons that can no longer do such thing as good as it was before (I miss the 2000 to 3000 dmg wrecking shots in tempest) and in the lack of tanking ability. ...wich one's better? The AC tempest with cap injector + tank and ECM.
korrey	Posted - 2006.06.23 15:53:00 - [39] Its not even that amazing of a boost. But some ships dont even do there roll well. How many of you have tried fitting a maller after putting a 1600mm plate and an MARII? (*Korrey raises his hand) once you do that yes, youve got an amazing tank mixed with cruiser resistance bonuses. But damage? Your guns either ahve to be frigate guns or just crap ones. It just seems like amarr is very out of place. There main roll as taning is almost obsolete because everyone and there uncle can outtank an apoc or a maller now.
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.06.23 15:57:00 - [40] Originally by: Tassi The AC tempest with cap injector + tank and ECM. Thanks, I couldnt be bothered. Im giving up. Amarr needs love from the devs damnit!.
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.06.23 15:57:00 - [41] Originally by: Grimpak stacking mods nerfed alpha strike badly, together with the HP increase of all ships. and guess what was the main thing for the howitzers in minmatar ships? Yes maybe you dont hit for 3500 on one shot anymore, maybe you just hit for 1500. The horror! Quote: So now we have ships that can tank good, fire with a good ammount of damage in form of DOT and stuff (amarr), and you have ships that base themselves in hi-damage alpha strike weapons that can no longer do such thing as good as it was before (I miss the 2000 to 3000 dmg wrecking shots in tempest) and in the lack of tanking ability. ...wich one's better? Obviously you dont fly Amarr. Come back when you have experience, this is Amarr thread#32453653 and in every single one people like you with no or little experience spew your rubbish. Amarr needs love from the devs damnit!.
blood red	Posted - 2006.06.23 15:58:00 - [42] hey korrey a 1600mm plate is a battelship module dummy. they are meant to gimp your cruiser. gimp!
Tassi	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:01:00 - [43] Originally by: Bentguru Edited by: Bentguru on 23/06/2006 15:47:53 As an amarr specced pilot, I can assure you that amarr does not suck. Geddon was and still is a terrific mid-range ship. Curse is omgwtfpwn, to put it lightly. Arbitrator can be scary if used well, I regularly own thoraxs with it. Crusader is an awesome inty. Apoc is a long range beast, and coupled with nospoc is very scary indeed. Zealot is definitely one of the better HACs. Pilgrim is like a mini-curse, so is also pwn. Lasers do more DPS then any other weapon. I fail to see why people are whining. Probably because they're under the delusion that their megapulse geddon should get right up against that blasterthron, or other such nonsense. Here's an idea, the geddon can fit 5 heavy drones. Stick 4 beserker II's and a webber drone in there. Keep your quarry at 20-28km range (depending if you have nos or not), and slam his ass with 3 types of damage while he runs around like an idiot with his head cut off because his blasters couldn't hit a moon at that range. And look, now you have an extra mid slot to fit a multispec or ECCM in! So go shove that domi pwnmobiles noses and ECM up it's ass You showed the "good" amarr ships, very nice. Now do the same with our sucky ships please. I also want to ask you how you want to prevent your enemy from warping . If someone else is tackling for you, yeah geddon is supreme in groups. I want to see how you beat a decent domi pilot in your geddon, really I want to see, maybe I can learn something?
korrey	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:01:00 - [44] Yet if you post a 'How do I fit my mauler' thread on here you'll get a setup that involves frig guns and a 1600mm plate. Yet another non-Amarr pilot?
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:03:00 - [45] Edited by: Imperial Coercion on 23/06/2006 16:03:56 Originally by: blood red hey korrey a 1600mm plate is a battelship module dummy. they are meant to gimp your cruiser. gimp! QFT. But you wont be able to fit proper medium guns and a tank even if you dont fit that 1600 plate. Amarr needs love from the devs damnit!.
Angus McLein	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:03:00 - [46] Amen...or Id like to know how your omen beats ANY other tier 1 or tier 2 cruiser in pvp.
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:04:00 - [47] Originally by: Imperial Coercion Obviously you dont fly Amarr. thank the gods I don't. I prefer to think a bit more about my setups with gallente and minmatar tyvm ...oh and the only problem with amarr is the guns imho. I still want to fit 5 med beams in my retribution, altho my vengeance is a bit more painfull now. (yes I fly amarr, altho only the small ships) ...and Tassi, I have to concede that point. ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Sniser	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:06:00 - [48] Are you really amarr? Originally by: Bentguru Edited by: Bentguru on 23/06/2006 15:47:53 As an amarr specced pilot, I can assure you that amarr does not suck. Geddon was and still is a terrific mid-range ship. mid range pvp? where is my 30km disruptor??(no expensive faction plz) Quote: Curse is omgwtfpwn, to put it lightly. nice a DRONE ship, hey and turrets? Quote: Arbitrator can be scary if used well, I regularly own thoraxs with it. another drone ship, omen and maller? huh? Quote: Crusader is an awesome inty. nice inty but taranis, claw and crow do it better Quote: Apoc is a long range beast, and coupled with nospoc is very scary indeed. Apoc nice for alpha strike in fleets but for sniping its much better a mega or tempest, more range and more damage Quote: Zealot is definitely one of the better HACs. yea its nice but its much better and ishtar, deimos, vagabond or even a cerberus Quote: Pilgrim is like a mini-curse, so is also pwn. yay another drone ship, did you said any time.. turrets? hello? Quote: I fail to see why people are whining. Probably because they're under the delusion that their megapulse geddon should get right up against that blasterthron, or other such nonsense. Here's an idea, the geddon can fit 5 heavy drones. Stick 4 beserker II's and a webber drone in there. Keep your quarry at 20-28km range (depending if you have nos or not), and slam his ass with 3 types of damage while he runs around like an idiot with his head cut off because his blasters couldn't hit a moon at that range. And look, now you have an extra mid slot to fit a multispec or ECCM in! So go shove that domi pwnmobiles noses and ECM up it's ass yay fight at 21-28km then if im in a ship i will just warp out ^^ , also i would love see how you put an ecm in the geddon, since usually there is very few cpu to use, and no... co-pro isnt a solution
korrey	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:06:00 - [49] Why is it us Amarr 'whiners' get ridiculed by everyone but it seems no one can prove any valid points against us? Hmm...my hunch is that were...I dont know, right?
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:07:00 - [50] Edited by: Imperial Coercion on 23/06/2006 16:07:52 Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Imperial Coercion Obviously you dont fly Amarr. thank the gods I don't. I prefer to think a bit more about my setups with gallente and minmatar tyvm Thanks, not get the **** out of this and any other Amarr thread. edit : I apolagize, I was too harsh. Amarr needs love from the devs damnit!.
Twilight Moon	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:08:00 - [51] Originally by: korrey Dominix vs Apoc. Dominix can EMC you to death, Yeah, damnit, I hate it when those pesty Dominix's get all Einstein on my ass. --------------------- Sig to come soonish.
korrey	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:09:00 - [52] Seings they cant win any reasnable argument they now revert to the humor.
Jerick Ludhowe	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:11:00 - [53] Originally by: korrey Yet if you post a 'How do I fit my mauler' thread on here you'll get a setup that involves frig guns and a 1600mm plate. Yet another non-Amarr pilot? I agree, no other setups have ever been posted about the maller . Just because someone posts a setup on the boards and says it works well does not mean that a ship is best used with that setup, try a heavy duity resistance tank with focused pulse and I think you will not be disapointed. A rax may be able to break your tank while tanking your damage but outside of a select few super dps cruisers you should be ok, no ship is able to counter every ship.
korrey	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:11:00 - [54] Now on to the point. Either: A- Give us an amarr ship that doesnt consist of drones or the armageddon, that will win in any sort of pvp. or B- Please leave the thread.
Bentguru	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:12:00 - [55] Originally by: Tassi Originally by: Bentguru Edited by: Bentguru on 23/06/2006 15:47:53 As an amarr specced pilot, I can assure you that amarr does not suck. Geddon was and still is a terrific mid-range ship. Curse is omgwtfpwn, to put it lightly. Arbitrator can be scary if used well, I regularly own thoraxs with it. Crusader is an awesome inty. Apoc is a long range beast, and coupled with nospoc is very scary indeed. Zealot is definitely one of the better HACs. Pilgrim is like a mini-curse, so is also pwn. Lasers do more DPS then any other weapon. I fail to see why people are whining. Probably because they're under the delusion that their megapulse geddon should get right up against that blasterthron, or other such nonsense. Here's an idea, the geddon can fit 5 heavy drones. Stick 4 beserker II's and a webber drone in there. Keep your quarry at 20-28km range (depending if you have nos or not), and slam his ass with 3 types of damage while he runs around like an idiot with his head cut off because his blasters couldn't hit a moon at that range. And look, now you have an extra mid slot to fit a multispec or ECCM in! So go shove that domi pwnmobiles noses and ECM up it's ass You showed the "good" amarr ships, very nice. Now do the same with our sucky ships please. I also want to ask you how you want to prevent your enemy from warping . If someone else is tackling for you, yeah geddon is supreme in groups. I want to see how you beat a decent domi pilot in your geddon, really I want to see, maybe I can learn something? Admittedly amarr cruisers are generally weak, barring t2 variations. The omen and maller aren't very good, even when set up well. Personally I think the khanid ships are fine atm, but i'm biased simply because I like the color scheme. I just get irate when people color the Amarr as completely worthless. Because they're not. Our cruisers, baring the arb, are weak, our frigates and BS can still pwn. As to the domi, If you can keep it out of nos range with a webber drone your vastly improving your chances. Tanking the drones isn't particularly hard in and of itself, but it's impossible when your getting hit by 3 hvy nos as well. The ECM is annoying, but an ECCM goes a long way to beating 2 multi-specs, or you can put ECM of your own in the free mid slot. This isn't to say the domi isn't easy to kill, but it's certainly doable. -- New Petition Inc Vid This signature is protected by the pattented NoDev 2000 technology. THERE WILL BE NO COLORS But colors are fun!!-Kaemonn Look! Christmas colors!-ReverendM
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:13:00 - [56] Amarr do suck. I think the dev's decided to punish them for breaking PvP with gankageddons for so long.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:15:00 - [57] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Amarr do suck. I think the dev's decided to punish them for breaking PvP with gankageddons for so long. I reckon Amarr were powerful for so long because TomB was a minny pilot and he didn't want to be seen making his own ships uber. Now we have Tuxford he's free to nerf away. In fact, I would say Tux uses either Amarr or Caldari ships as Gallente and Minny are getting boosts :P TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Gaiam	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:17:00 - [58] tomb has a pilot in each race not just a minnie guy, he plays amarr ships too. i cant remember if he has said if he has a favorite race or not.
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:18:00 - [59] Originally by: Stanis Edited by: Stanis on 23/06/2006 16:16:42 Hey I want my Thorax boosted bcs when I fit 1600mm plate I can't put all 5 Neutron Blaster but only 3. And this way my fit isn't realy nice looking and simetrical so I want boost. now. as in in 5 min. Hey I want your thorax nerfed. SO that you cant fit a full set of t2 guns and a tank. KTHNX(and hopefully)BYE! Amarr needs love from the devs damnit!.
Angus McLein	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:19:00 - [60] Originally by: Stanis Edited by: Stanis on 23/06/2006 16:16:42 Hey I want my Thorax boosted bcs when I fit 1600mm plate I can't put all 5 Neutron Blaster but only 3. And this way my fit isn't realy nice looking and simetrical so I want boost. now. as in in 5 min. Funny. Too bad for some ungodly reason a thorax with an 800mm plate beats a maller with a 1600mm plate. How does that work I wonder?

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