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Tassi	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:21:00 - [61] Originally by: Bentguru Admittedly amarr cruisers are generally weak, barring t2 variations. The omen and maller aren't very good, even when set up well. Personally I think the khanid ships are fine atm, but i'm biased simply because I like the color scheme. I just get irate when people color the Amarr as completely worthless. Because they're not. Our cruisers, baring the arb, are weak, our frigates and BS can still pwn. As to the domi, If you can keep it out of nos range with a webber drone your vastly improving your chances. Tanking the drones isn't particularly hard in and of itself, but it's impossible when your getting hit by 3 hvy nos as well. The ECM is annoying, but an ECCM goes a long way to beating 2 multi-specs, or you can put ECM of your own in the free mid slot. This isn't to say the domi isn't easy to kill, but it's certainly doable. Our frigates suffer HEAVILY from the high powergrid requirements of small lasers! You want to tell me that your crusader is able to pwn decent crow/claw/taranis pilots? How much hp does this little Berserker SW-900 webber drone have(?), and how long will it take the decent (we dont calculate with noobs.) domi pilot to realise that he needs to kill this drone? If he does not jamm you all of the time and go in for the kill after your berserker SW- 900 popped, he will simply warp out because we are calculating that he is out of nos range, thus 20km+. You brought the points, I nuked them, bring me new ones.
Bentguru	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:22:00 - [62] Originally by: Sniser lots of stuff ummm, since when were amarr drone ships not counted as amarr ships? This is a whine about amarr ships in GENERAL. Not "amarr laser-based ships suck" or "amarr ships suck to solo in" (which I do agree with), but an "OMG WTF AMARR SUCKS ** YOU DEVS!" My entire point is to PLAY TO AMARR STRENGTHS. Your geddon shot NOT be 5km away from that blasterthron. You should USE DRONES if you have the space. In every single one of these threads I hear people whining about how an amarr ship isn't able to win in some dumb ass overmatch situation that, tbh, it shouldn't be able to win in anyway. I love almost every single amarr whiner picks and chooses exactly what he wants to whine about and completely ignores the fact that amarr ships, like the curse, pilgrim, sader, geddon (especially in groups), etc will do **loads of damage if used correctly. -- New Petition Inc Vid This signature is protected by the pattented NoDev 2000 technology. THERE WILL BE NO COLORS But colors are fun!!-Kaemonn Look! Christmas colors!-ReverendM
Shoele Lialos	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:23:00 - [63] Originally by: korrey This thread is also not another Amarr complaint thread. If thats what it turns into then Ill delete it. and Quote: Or too busy making Caldari, Minmatar and Gallente better? and Quote: Amarr are terrible? Do you even fly amarr?[\quote] How is this not another Amarr complaint thread from the get go?
korrey	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:24:00 - [64] Funny how the farther we go the less people post because they cant find somethng that actually works on our ships. Oh and to Angus Mclein, Thorax's dont even need an 800mm plate to kill a maller.
Bentguru	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:25:00 - [65] Originally by: Tassi Our frigates suffer HEAVILY from the high powergrid requirements of small lasers! You want to tell me that your crusader is able to pwn decent crow/claw/taranis pilots? How much hp does this little Berserker SW-900 webber drone have(?), and how long will it take the decent (we dont calculate with noobs.) domi pilot to realise that he needs to kill this drone? If he does not jamm you all of the time and go in for the kill after your berserker SW- 900 popped, he will simply warp out because we are calculating that he is out of nos range, thus 20km+. You brought the points, I nuked them, bring me new ones. Notice the rather important part where I said IT WASN'T EASY BUT IT COULD BE DONE. You nuked nothing but your own intelligence. -- New Petition Inc Vid This signature is protected by the pattented NoDev 2000 technology. THERE WILL BE NO COLORS But colors are fun!!-Kaemonn Look! Christmas colors!-ReverendM
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:27:00 - [66] Originally by: Imperial Coercion Originally by: Sarmaul In fact, I would say Tux uses either Amarr Common, youre smarter than that. (My sarcasm detector is broken I think, if so forgive me) Yes, I was being sarcastic :) TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:27:00 - [67] Originally by: Bentguru Originally by: Sniser lots of stuff ummm, since when were amarr drone ships not counted as amarr ships? You---------------------------the point Quote: My entire point is to PLAY TO AMARR STRENGTHS. Your geddon shot NOT be 5km away from that blasterthron. Lets all fit mwd then! Oh no.....wait. Quote: In every single one of these threads I hear people whining about how an amarr ship isn't able to win in some dumb ass overmatch situation that, tbh, it shouldn't be able to win in anyway. Overmatch...are you being dense on purpose? Quote: curse, pilgrim Good ships. Quote: sader Its CRUSADER. And they are good for flying past gate camps. Any proper fitted crow or taranis will pwn a crusader hands down. Quote: geddon (especially in groups), You----------------------------------------------the point Amarr needs love from the devs damnit!.
Stanis	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:27:00 - [68] Originally by: Angus McLein Originally by: Stanis Edited by: Stanis on 23/06/2006 16:16:42 Hey I want my Thorax boosted bcs when I fit 1600mm plate I can't put all 5 Neutron Blaster but only 3. And this way my fit isn't realy nice looking and simetrical so I want boost. now. as in in 5 min. Funny. Too bad for some ungodly reason a thorax with an 800mm plate beats a maller with a 1600mm plate. How does that work I wonder? Bcs it has 800mm plate and med guns?
korrey	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:27:00 - [69] Originally by: Bentguru ummm, since when were amarr drone ships not counted as amarr ships? This is a whine about amarr ships in GENERAL. Not "amarr laser-based ships suck" or "amarr ships suck to solo in" (which I do agree with), but an "OMG WTF AMARR SUCKS ** YOU DEVS!" My entire point is to PLAY TO AMARR STRENGTHS. Your geddon shot NOT be 5km away from that blasterthron. You should USE DRONES if you have the space. In every single one of these threads I hear people whining about how an amarr ship isn't able to win in some dumb ass overmatch situation that, tbh, it shouldn't be able to win in anyway. I love almost every single amarr whiner picks and chooses exactly what he wants to whine about and completely ignores the fact that amarr ships, like the curse, pilgrim, sader, geddon (especially in groups), etc will do **loads of damage if used correctly. I agree Amarr drone ships are considered Amarr. The only reason we exclude the is because Curses and Pilgrims and Armageddons are the only ships that dont suck horribly at pvp. Therefore why discuss ships that are already pretty good as compared to ships that cant fight there way out of a paper bag?
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:28:00 - [70] Christ even the Gallente fanbois don't cry as much as this. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:28:00 - [71] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Imperial Coercion Originally by: Sarmaul In fact, I would say Tux uses either Amarr Common, youre smarter than that. (My sarcasm detector is broken I think, if so forgive me) Yes, I was being sarcastic :) I bow my head in shame Amarr needs love from the devs damnit!.
Selak Zorander	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:28:00 - [72] Originally by: korrey Best armor tank in the game? LOL how long have you been playing? Or at least when was the last time you logged on? Dominix vs Apoc. Dominix can EMC you to death, NOS you to death, drone you to death and STILL have the same tank as an apoc. you say a domi can fit the same tank as an apoc huh? Find a set-up where a domi can fit ecm in the mids, and run a 2 large armor rep tank forever. note that it should be able to run all its ecm as well. An Apoc with skill can easily do that, and run its weapons to. Yes the apoc will have to turn weapons off to stop nos from killing its cap, but it would take 6 or more to actually kill its cap and as a beam ship, you keep out of nos range of said domi and you have no problems at all while the domi prolly needs the nos to keep all its stuff running. yes amarr has some ships that are not the greats but hey NEWS FLASH, every race has tech 1 ships that blow so dont think you are alone in that matter. Until the last patch, the Typhoon for instance sucked as a battleship and most people used a set-up that involved ignoring all the bonuses on it. I bet you dont fly any other ships at all, why dont you try anothers race's ships before you run to the forums crying "boo hoo my ships suck....mommy make my ships the uberest again so i can win." As for wierda, i know wierda is both Amarr and Minmatar specialized so i would be willing to bet that wierda knows a thing or two about amarr ships. As for minmatar ships having great tanks, maybe they can have one for short periods of time before they run out of cap boosters. otherwise they do not have the cap or the cap recharge to run a decent tank. So what if the weapons use no cap to fire, that still does not help when minmatar have the smallest cap size in game. While i will conceed that there are some ships that may suck royally in the amarr race, I will not conceed that amarr is the bottom of the ladder in terms of the four races in eve. Every race has its bad eggs and they all have their strong points.
Angus McLein	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:28:00 - [73] Originally by: Shoele Lialos Originally by: korrey This thread is also not another Amarr complaint thread. If thats what it turns into then Ill delete it. and Quote: Or too busy making Caldari, Minmatar and Gallente better? and Quote: Amarr are terrible? Do you even fly amarr?[\quote] How is this not another Amarr complaint thread from the get go? Unless youve got something to prove then leave.
Tassi	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:28:00 - [74] Originally by: Bentguru Notice the rather important part where I said IT WASN'T EASY BUT IT COULD BE DONE. You nuked nothing but your own intelligence. It is hard to kill a titan with an ibis, but it definitly could be done. Mhmmmmmm
Bentguru	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:31:00 - [75] Edited by: Bentguru on 23/06/2006 16:33:34 Originally by: Sarmaul Christ even the Gallente fanbois don't cry as much as this. It's embarassing really. Although it does help me in PVP, the more people thinking "Oh it's an amarr ship, it sucks, I'll try and kill it" the better. Less work tracking them down. @imperial: Show me where the OP said anything other than "omg amarr all suck." I find it utterly hilarious that you completely disregard every situation in which amarr ships excell, and instead focus on every worse case situation you can think of. -- New Petition Inc Vid This signature is protected by the pattented NoDev 2000 technology. THERE WILL BE NO COLORS But colors are fun!!-Kaemonn Look! Christmas colors!-ReverendM
Jon Xylur	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:32:00 - [76] I don't see what's wrong with Amarr...Exept Khanid ships. They got hevay tank, better damage types than Gallente (Kin/Therm=most tanked damage types EVER. Granted we get drones, but many Amarr ship have big drone bays too and unless the ship's a dorne carrier drones don't affect dps that much), NO AMMO, allmost no reload time, uber tankage, some great gank ships (geddon, Zealot), and a BS gun that's bigger than all other race's (Tachyons). Oh and did I allready mention NO AMMO? Yup...Really sucky...Please devs, give the Amarr some ranged nuclear weapons, XXL guns on every ship and lasergs that fart fire. They are the God's choosen rase after all. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, and not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
CardboardSword42	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:34:00 - [77] Originally by: Imperial Coercion Originally by: Stanis Edited by: Stanis on 23/06/2006 16:16:42 Hey I want my Thorax boosted bcs when I fit 1600mm plate I can't put all 5 Neutron Blaster but only 3. And this way my fit isn't realy nice looking and simetrical so I want boost. now. as in in 5 min. Hey I want your thorax nerfed. SO that you cant fit a full set of t2 guns and a tank. KTHNX(and hopefully)BYE! It already can't. 5 Heavy Ion IIs MWD , Web Scram 3 Mag Field Stabs, a damage control and a Small armor rep There is a damage build for a thorax. Even if you dropped the 3 damage mods for 3 EANMs, you're still stuck with a small rep unless you use a fitting mod. You also can't fit a full rack of heavy neutrons and a mwd without a fitting mod. I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool But now I'm KOS and it's all about the manlove
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:35:00 - [78] Originally by: Bentguru @imperial: Show me where the OP said anything other than "omg amarr all suck." I dont belive thats what I said. Feel free to quote me. Amarr needs love from the devs damnit!.
korrey	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:35:00 - [79] Originally by: Selak Zorander An Apoc with skill can easily do that, and run its weapons to. ---- Anything with 'skills' can do just about anything----- yes amarr has some ships that are not the greats.... ---You mean all off them save the armageddon curse and pilgrim?------ Until the last patch, the Typhoon for instance sucked as a battleship and most people used a set-up that involved ignoring all the bonuses on it. ------The tempest made up for that distance. During that period people didnt even remember that minmatar HAD 2 battleships. Thats how good the tempest was.------ I bet you dont fly any other ships at all, why dont you try anothers race's ships before you run to the forums crying "boo hoo my ships suck....mommy make my ships the uberest again so i can win." ------I fly caldari and Gallente BS. And tbh I like them more. You know why? Becuse amarr sucks. I love the megathron. I love the scorpion. I extra love the Dominix. I WISH i COULD love the amarr apoc but not until it gets a boost. ------------
Stanis	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:44:00 - [80] Edited by: Stanis on 23/06/2006 16:44:37 I think some ppl didn't get what I wanted to say bcs I kinda flamed. But I was trying to be sarcasting when I wrote the "5xneutron blasters+1600mm plate" post :). I agree Ammar need a sligth boost in maybe dmg, or cap or something that will make them better in some way but whining for change that will make it the same as other races ships is retarded and I'll always hope those kind of ppl die before they spamz0r the forum :P. edit : I just sawy that (me n00b :D) maller has 6-3-6 and more PG then Thorax and you ppl are whining? I bet a good Ammar pilot could take standard thorax down in his Maller anytime :P.
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:44:00 - [81] Originally by: Bentguru Edited by: Bentguru on 23/06/2006 16:41:02 Originally by: Imperial Coercion Originally by: Bentguru @imperial: Show me where the OP said anything other than "omg amarr all suck." I dont belive thats what I said. Feel free to quote me. OP = Origional Poster. Not you. And thats exactly what he said, learn to read please. Hell, I never even quoted what you said in any of my points. Little self absorbed? I can read pretty well thanks. You claimed that I somehow tried to argue against Quote: Show me where the OP said anything other than "omg amarr all suck." Ball is in your court. Amarr needs love from the devs damnit!.
blood red	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:44:00 - [82] bentguru imperial is korreys main im thinking. he may have got a bit confused.
Jerick Ludhowe	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:45:00 - [83] Originally by: korrey Its not just 'what tommy said to do' its the universal understood thing to do on a maller. If you get a maller and put anything other than a 1600mm plate people will say 'wtf is wrong with you? thats a tanking ship.' And another example of being a broken race is the fact that the ABSOLUTE best setup I can come up with for a maller involves using Minmatar AC's. That in itself proves amarr are perfectly fine right? Ever try a cap injected dbl rep resistance setup? 1x MARII and 1x SARII, combine it with close to 80% resistance across the board and you are looking at a ship that is close to unkillable by most cruisers. By not using a plate you save enough grid to fit a rack of heavy an focused pulse lasers along with a small energy nuet, this allows you to hit targets more than 20k away with scorch and break 200 dps with conflag. Small energy nuet does not do a whole lot but does give you a hand when trying to break a tank.
korrey	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:45:00 - [84] Thanks Bentguru. I would have said it myself to the noob but im going to make a pizza.
God forbid	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:46:00 - [85] Im Only amarr And Im allways thinking how lucky Im. Please ppl stop whining and start thinking out of the box.. Amarr Rule tbh.. Quote: "He did not know, Who he was ******* with."
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:46:00 - [86] Originally by: blood red bentguru imperial is korreys main im thinking. he may have got a bit confused. Thinking and beliving let alone speculating is something you can do while in church. Amarr needs love from the devs damnit!.
korrey	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:48:00 - [87] Originally by: blood red bentguru imperial is korreys main im thinking. he may have got a bit confused. Lol and you must be TomB's alt. Too bad if you view other forums you'll find me and Imperium dissagreeing. That sounds like what someone with an alt would do to prove there point... Go to Jita and train Common sense to level 2 before coming back to this thread.
Bentguru	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:48:00 - [88] Originally by: korrey Originally by: Bentguru OP = Origional Poster. Not you. And thats exactly what he said, learn to read please. Hell, I never even quoted what you said in any of my points. Little self absorbed? Well yes thats what I said so I apologize for that, let me re-state that... 'Apart from the Armageddon, Curse, and Pilgrim, Amarr sucks.' Any better? I'd disagree on a few other ships, like the arb, but I'd agree that in general amarr cruisers are fairly weak. And being locked into 2 damage types isn't the best. -- New Petition Inc Vid This signature is protected by the pattented NoDev 2000 technology. THERE WILL BE NO COLORS But colors are fun!!-Kaemonn Look! Christmas colors!-ReverendM
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:49:00 - [89] Edited by: Imperial Coercion on 23/06/2006 16:49:57 Originally by: Stanis Edited by: Stanis on 23/06/2006 16:44:37 I think some ppl didn't get what I wanted to say bcs I kinda flamed. But I was trying to be sarcasting when I wrote the "5xneutron blasters+1600mm plate" post :). I agree Ammar need a sligth boost in maybe dmg, or cap or something that will make them better in some way but whining for change that will make it the same as other races ships is retarded and I'll always hope those kind of ppl die before they spamz0r the forum :P. edit : I just sawy that (me n00b :D) maller has 6-3-6 and more PG then Thorax and you ppl are whining? If you felt flamed by me then I apolagize. Its just that there has been so many threads and so many poeple entering only to be smart asses so its hard to keep cool at all times. Quote: I bet a good Ammar pilot could take standard thorax down in his Maller anytime :P. Good thorax pilot>good maller pilot. Amarr needs love from the devs damnit!.
korrey	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:54:00 - [90] Yeah Bentguru sorry I missed the arbi. I do agree the amarr drone ships are amaznig. But once we get into the em and thermal damage types and the omen and maller and so on, we realize that amarr cruiser and apoc and frigates need lots of ove to ever even think about pvp.

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