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Zanadoth	Posted - 2006.06.26 23:14:00 - [1] Will we ever be able to fly down? :s
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.26 23:15:00 - [2] What is down in space? Think about it. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Caldorous	Posted - 2006.06.26 23:16:00 - [3] i heard that the space used to be flatter than is now -----------------------------
Zanadoth	Posted - 2006.06.26 23:16:00 - [4] I know but why can't we fly down?
Lester Mako	Posted - 2006.06.26 23:16:00 - [5] LOL Miner, Seller of Minerals, Father
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.06.26 23:17:00 - [6] I can fly down... why cant you? ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Bhaal	Posted - 2006.06.26 23:17:00 - [7] This was the first compliant I ever had about EVE. That was nearly 4 years ago. I guess the answer is NO... Only time you fly up or down is when you warp to a gate in that direction... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
NeoOhm	Posted - 2006.06.26 23:19:00 - [8] Edited by: NeoOhm on 26/06/2006 23:19:56 Problems with flat space? Silicon is your answer, call us on 555-space and we will help you. If you call within 10 minutes you get the new -i was flat to- book writen by miss universum 2004 :)
DukDodgerz	Posted - 2006.06.26 23:25:00 - [9] space is flat because the world is flat, geeez people, we all know that one. if you fly to far, you will fall off space. FRODO HAS FAILED; BUSH HAS THE RING!!! The Hippo mating ritual
das licht	Posted - 2006.06.26 23:35:00 - [10] No, that would be an anomaly.
Flipidy Floo	Posted - 2006.06.26 23:50:00 - [11] Just show's how uninformed some people are... nothing personal. I fly in whatever direction is needed... a lot of people are accustomed to left and right, so up and down throw them off a bit. Also, appearing at different angles to another ship aid's in combat to some extent, depending on what you're doing.
C1yde	Posted - 2006.06.27 00:01:00 - [12] If Einsteins right, If you laser spot straight ahead of yourself in space the tactical weapon will blow the back of your head off.
Kamal Drax	Posted - 2006.06.27 00:13:00 - [13] Originally by: Zanadoth Will we ever be able to fly down? :s Down relative to what? .
Rofel Meights	Posted - 2006.06.27 00:24:00 - [14] am i missing something here? I thought you could go up and down..
Tubiger	Posted - 2006.06.27 00:27:00 - [15] Well, think about it... our solar system is also basically flat. I'm not sure that every solar system in the universe would form the same way, as in the EVE universe, but it does make sense. You CAN fly up and down, there's just not usually much to visit, which I guess is your complaint :-P
Alzion	Posted - 2006.06.27 00:27:00 - [16] Originally by: Rofel Meights am i missing something here? I thought you could go up and down.. you can't fly perpendicular to the systems radial plane. --------------------------------------------- I hear Linux can cure cancer and raise your sperm count. - Dionysus Davinci
Kahn Mer	Posted - 2006.06.27 00:32:00 - [17] Short Answer : Galaxtic Spin Long Simplified Answer: Big Bang go BOOM. Things go spinning into space. Things have inertia so they keep spinning. Even big things like galaxies. In fact bigger things have more inertia and spin longer. Galaxies tend to "lie flat" because of the outward force applied by the spin opposing the inward force of the sun's gravity. As galaxies lose inertia, and that takes a seriously long time, they get less and less flat. Things begin to wander and get less flat. Very simplified. Not fact, just one of the many theories, but generally accepted. And like most proposed theories on the formation of "great big crap" it assumes a sort of err, closed environment. Galaxies may get less flat when they bump into other galaxies or blackholes or developer's egos.
Freada	Posted - 2006.06.27 01:06:00 - [18] I fly above and below the ecpliptic all the time. Have you checked your mouse?
Hoshi	Posted - 2006.06.27 01:32:00 - [19] There are lots of non flat systems in eve. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ArmageddonX	Posted - 2006.06.27 02:21:00 - [20] I heard space was getting implants to make her more busty up top... maybe that was a rumor... --------------------------------------- rabble, Rabble, RABBLE, RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!111elevenone

Ivan Kirilenkov	Posted - 2006.06.27 02:25:00 - [21] Space it flat because Chuck Norris got angry one day because he stumbled in it; and then decided to trample it so it wouldn't happen again. ;)

DrSeuss	Posted - 2006.06.27 02:38:00 - [22] Space is flat so my beer doesnt fall off . http://www.phoenix-labs.net Everyone knows the only true wisdom is on T-Shirts
Dust Angel	Posted - 2006.06.27 02:42:00 - [23] Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov Space it flat because Chuck Norris got angry one day because he stumbled in it; and then decided to trample it so it wouldn't happen again. ;) I thought Chuck norris roundhouse kicked up and down so they ceased to exist. _____________________________________ Stressed out with empire politics? Sansha's Nation helps clear your mind.
Hoshi Mandella	Posted - 2006.06.27 02:50:00 - [24] theres no up or down in space, just pick an angle and go.
voodoo	Posted - 2006.06.27 03:10:00 - [25] unflatten your map -) come back come back
Ione Hunt	Posted - 2006.06.27 03:18:00 - [26] Use observator probes if you wanna fly down ________________________________________________ I had a really cool sig, but CCP stole it once again. Didn't know the words "probes" and "a$$" were considered too naughty for the forums :D :D
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.06.27 03:37:00 - [27] Originally by: Zanadoth I know but why can't we fly down? \ Have you ever noticed a galaxy isn't a sphere?
Frezik	Posted - 2006.06.27 04:21:00 - [28] Originally by: Tubiger Well, think about it... our solar system is also basically flat. I'm not sure that every solar system in the universe would form the same way, as in the EVE universe, but it does make sense. You CAN fly up and down, there's just not usually much to visit, which I guess is your complaint :-P Assuming the laws of physics are consistent across the universe, most solar systems should end up with the planets all on a single plane. The exception is captured planets (planets thrown out of orbit of their orginal stars and grabbed by another, like pluto). ---- "Well in this case, he's being flamed, and rightly so, for whinning about a game mechanic that doesn't actually exist." -Lorth
Altrex Stoppel	Posted - 2006.06.27 04:41:00 - [29] So does Chuck Norris use stargates or jumpdrives Ivan? Originally by: Mr. Male i leae the leagacy cuz this pain blows me my hair hurts cuz the world hates me and so does the eve and my tears go unwiped cuz i cry tears of sand and milk.
Splagada	Posted - 2006.06.27 07:10:00 - [30] earth is flat, and is on top of 4 elephants, which are on top of a turtle that's going this way why would space be different?! - Member of [AAST] Owner of eve-corps.net evemail me if you need a free forum for your corp
spurious signal	Posted - 2006.06.27 07:18:00 - [31] Quote: Why is space flat? HippoKing's sig sat on it.
Toros Revoke	Posted - 2006.06.27 15:20:00 - [32] I blame the yeast There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity. Make sure you take your shoes off before you cross it.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.27 15:21:00 - [33] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 27/06/2006 15:24:02 Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov Space it flat because Chuck Norris got angry one day because he stumbled in it; and then decided to trample it so it wouldn't happen again. ;) If Jack Bauer was ***, his name would be Chuck Norris. I blame the profanity filter for killing my joke. Why is g-a-y even a bad word? Alright, ill type homosexual and everybody is happy? This filter is really bothering me sometimes. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Rasitiln	Posted - 2006.06.27 15:23:00 - [34] because the enemies gate is down Want to be a pirate? Join Sniggwaffe
Hephaesteus	Posted - 2006.06.27 15:44:00 - [35] Originally by: Splagada earth is flat, and is on top of 4 elephants, which are on top of a turtle that's going this way why would space be different?! The big turtle is heading toward a female big turtle and when he gets there, there is going to be a big bang. ----------------------------------------------- Knowing all, when all is unknown.
CutterJane	Posted - 2006.06.27 15:51:00 - [36] Because people spend their entire lives living in a relatively flat plain, and get disoriented when asked to maneuver in a truly 3d setting with no landmarks at all. It gives people a common point of reference. A good example of this is Homeworld vs Nexus: The Jupiter Incident. Homeworld has the game centered on a flat plain, and the camera is leveled off on this as well. Nexus doesn't have this. Most people found Nexus' controls and views ungainly and disorienting, and harder to maneuver to do what you want to do. Homeworld was easy because you always had the same frame of refence.
Mikal Drey	Posted - 2006.06.27 15:52:00 - [37] hey hey i think your problem is simple to solve. Open map, in the control panel click UNFLATTEN. Welcome to 3D my friend.
Freya Runestone	Posted - 2006.06.27 16:03:00 - [38] look at our solar system. the planets are also flying around the sun in a allmost flat way. samo with galaxies, usually they are flat. __________________________________
Himo Amasacia	Posted - 2006.06.27 16:16:00 - [39] Originally by: Splagada earth is flat, and is on top of 4 elephants, which are on top of a turtle that's going this way why would space be different?! I wanna fly down the lef of eves elephants
Mikal Drey	Posted - 2006.06.27 16:18:00 - [40] iirc theres a sect of people who devote them selves to looking down the leg of the elephants (whos names escape me atm) maybe thats why they locked off Jove
Sanctus Maleficus	Posted - 2006.06.27 16:28:00 - [41] Originally by: Hephaesteus Originally by: Splagada earth is flat, and is on top of 4 elephants, which are on top of a turtle that's going this way why would space be different?! The big turtle is heading toward a female big turtle and when he gets there, there is going to be a big bang. LOL Terry Prachett FTW
Kurren	Posted - 2006.06.27 16:52:00 - [42] I WILL SAIL AROUND THE UNIVERSE TO PROVE THAT IT ISN'T FLAT! All I will need is a good ship and several chests of gold before I begin. You can escrow them to me at anytime. --- --- --- --- SobaKai.com
Dearnen	Posted - 2006.06.27 18:36:00 - [43] Edited by: Dearnen on 27/06/2006 18:37:57 Wait. Wait. You mean... Are you telling me there's a "3rd" dimension of space? Woah. Like...that's...I mean, wow. Ok, I get it, it's like that "Napoleon" ice cream... 3! flavors! Wow, "3" dimensions. It blows my mind. Hey dude, pass the nachos. I'm hungry. -Dearnen Liberty Forever!
Padaxes	Posted - 2006.06.27 19:06:00 - [44] Move your camera so it is looking down on your ship, double click on a bit of space in the distance, watch in amazement as your ship flies `down`.
Hueylee	Posted - 2006.06.27 19:11:00 - [45] Originally by: Rasitiln because the enemies gate is down
Kologa Belmora	Posted - 2006.06.27 19:13:00 - [46] Originally by: Kahn Mer Short Answer : Galaxtic Spin Long Simplified Answer: Big Bang go BOOM. Things go spinning into space. Things have inertia so they keep spinning. Even big things like galaxies. In fact bigger things have more inertia and spin longer. Galaxies tend to "lie flat" because of the outward force applied by the spin opposing the inward force of the sun's gravity. As galaxies lose inertia, and that takes a seriously long time, they get less and less flat. Things begin to wander and get less flat. Very simplified. Not fact, just one of the many theories, but generally accepted. And like most proposed theories on the formation of "great big crap" it assumes a sort of err, closed environment. Galaxies may get less flat when they bump into other galaxies or blackholes or developer's egos. Even so the galaxy is still lightyears thick
Culmen	Posted - 2006.06.27 19:14:00 - [47] space-time is flat because the devs didnt want to program in gravity because it would take too much resources and result in everyone and his alt complaining about crashing their raven into a planet oh wait... just space? NVM --------------------- Carebear, Until i get my missile skill training done
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.06.27 19:17:00 - [48] Originally by: Kologa Belmora Originally by: Kahn Mer Short Answer : Galaxtic Spin Long Simplified Answer: Big Bang go BOOM. Things go spinning into space. Things have inertia so they keep spinning. Even big things like galaxies. In fact bigger things have more inertia and spin longer. Galaxies tend to "lie flat" because of the outward force applied by the spin opposing the inward force of the sun's gravity. As galaxies lose inertia, and that takes a seriously long time, they get less and less flat. Things begin to wander and get less flat. Very simplified. Not fact, just one of the many theories, but generally accepted. And like most proposed theories on the formation of "great big crap" it assumes a sort of err, closed environment. Galaxies may get less flat when they bump into other galaxies or blackholes or developer's egos. Even so the galaxy is still lightyears thick So is eve... unflatten your map. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Nira Li	Posted - 2006.06.27 19:20:00 - [49] Originally by: Padaxes Move your camera so it is looking down on your ship, double click on a bit of space in the distance, watch in amazement as your ship flies `down`. but but, how do I know it's down and not up? You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
Sensor Error	Posted - 2006.06.27 19:27:00 - [50] Edited by: Sensor Error on 27/06/2006 19:30:18 Originally by: Altrex Stoppel So does Chuck Norris use stargates or jumpdrives Ivan? he walks... The universe just pauses time and waits for him. RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!! ------------------------------------------ Dev Responses to common questions
Andrue	Posted - 2006.06.27 19:28:00 - [51] Edited by: Andrue on 27/06/2006 19:30:22 Originally by: Rasitiln because the enemies gate is down Yeah. First two books were good then the series crapped out. Ender's Shadow was good though. My second fav. bit is when he signs the Piggy contract and they realise he is the genocide. His response when the point out he killed more people than anyone else in history "My father told me to always be the best at what I do" was classic :) But my most fav. has to be the Queen's letter at the end of the first book. Card at his emotion tugging best. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Mikal Drey	Posted - 2006.06.27 19:57:00 - [52] personally i prefered Alvim maker series. just couldnt get into any of his other books. back to topic . . Up is up and down is down. not sure where people got confused on that one. beter to take the dis way and dat way approach its much easier
Mtthias Clemi	Posted - 2006.06.27 20:15:00 - [53] It is flat becuase i said so
fr8st	Posted - 2006.06.27 21:46:00 - [54] What the cr4p are you talking about? You can fly in what direction you want. :S If I am for example outside a station, I can fly, relative to the station, every possible angle. What do you mean? ___________________________________________________ ....
The Gauge	Posted - 2006.06.27 21:55:00 - [55] Edited by: The Gauge on 27/06/2006 21:55:48 This is more about the orientation of the camera and the orientation of ships / objects than it is the movement of the ship itself. Anybody who's played Descent or run around as the Alien in AVP will know the perils of opening up 3D into its true glory, and unless you develop an unparalleled ability to process three dimensional space you won't have any idea what direction you're pointed or where that missile came from. Anyone remember the very first time they played Elite as a kid and launched from a station? The end of Star Trek II - Wrath of Khan? Think of the possibilities! I'd love to see it. But I also realise that noobs are finding this game complicated enough as it is without having their only orientational points of reference removed as well :) G
The Gauge	Posted - 2006.06.27 22:03:00 - [56] And let's face it.. this is supposed to be a game. You start treating space like real space and the next thing you know people will be asking why you don't skill-train slower relative to stationary players when you're warping ...
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.06.27 22:07:00 - [57] 1) Move camera so it's facing the top of your ship 2) Double click in the area around your ship (but not actually on it) Congratulations, you are now flying down. It's surprisingly easy to fly upwards too using a modification of the above method. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.27 22:09:00 - [58] Originally by: The Gauge And let's face it.. this is supposed to be a game. You start treating space like real space and the next thing you know people will be asking why you don't skill-train slower relative to stationary players when you're warping ... Stuff like this keeps me up at night. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Mtthias Clemi	Posted - 2006.06.27 22:30:00 - [59] What i want to know is why i can fly through the sun... now that dont make a lick of sense!!
Billy Sastard	Posted - 2006.06.27 22:52:00 - [60] Originally by: The Gauge And let's face it.. this is supposed to be a game. You start treating space like real space and the next thing you know people will be asking why you don't skill-train slower relative to stationary players when you're warping ... I love it!~~! "So. Why do you spend all your time in station Billy?" "I don't want to waste time warping around, time dilation wrecks your training time, don't you know?" Anyhow, I think what the OP is getting at, is that wherever you are in eve, youre movements and such are all relative to a fixed 'flat' coordinate system. In addiditon to this, I have tried and tried to get my ship to fly directly down or up, but it just wont do it. Also, have ever tried getting your ship to be 'upside down' (in relation to the aforementioned fixed coordinate system)? Nope doesnt work too well either. There is also the whole aspect of newtonian physics (or the lack therof). Long ago, I came to be comfortable with the facts of life in eve, we are flying around in a liquid filled 'space' with a clearly defined 'up' and 'down', not REAL space. Still a damn fun game imo.
Casyus Quinn	Posted - 2006.06.28 01:10:00 - [61] solar systems, and galaxys are flat do to centrifical gravitational pull....also known as chuck norris
Biggus Mammus	Posted - 2006.06.28 02:25:00 - [62] gimme back the time I wasted reading this.
Weirda	Posted - 2006.06.28 02:47:00 - [63] Originally by: Biggus Mammus gimme back the time I wasted reading this. based on the flatness of space, the gravity coeficcient of si Biggus Mammus (not you Littlus Mammus), it quite possible that by flying at 45 degree to the Z axis, you may indeed get you time back. __ Weirda Join QOTSA Now Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More!
Montohotep	Posted - 2006.06.28 02:52:00 - [64] Freighters use jumpdrives.
Finix Jaeger	Posted - 2006.06.28 06:15:00 - [65] Mudcrabs, I must kill some mudcrabs ------------------------- Ten thousand days in the fire...
Tachy	Posted - 2006.06.28 07:28:00 - [66] Originally by: The Gauge And let's face it.. this is supposed to be a game. You start treating space like real space and the next thing you know people will be asking why you don't skill-train slower relative to stationary players when you're warping ... Umm, because warptravel bypasses the acceleration to and past lightspeed? Warp = shortcut in spacetime --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Araigadai	Posted - 2006.06.28 08:34:00 - [67] DOH! head explodes and forms new 2D universe <Yep. A point travelling through time! >
Jarq Trashin	Posted - 2006.06.28 08:43:00 - [68] I don't realy know hat your problem is: You can fly straight down and straight up with any of the methods allready described. The only thing is, that your ship wil roll to try to remain upright, without any consequence to the direction you are flying to. That's just a small convenience for you as the watcher. Keeps your food inside ;) There are many systems with gates far above or below the plane of it's planets. Mission locations are often completely off that plane too. So, EVE is as 3D as it can get. The reason why most (and definetly not all) objects are within one plane has allready been explained. It is the same as mith most RL planetary systems and galaxies. Yes, our RL galaxy is at least some lightyears thick, but so is EVE's galaxy. So, EVE is completely realistic in it's 3D representation of objects in space.
Rashmika Clavain	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:24:00 - [69] lawl! So many funny replies The Terry Pratchet ones are doing it for me
Tsukiko Kuro	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:44:00 - [70] Originally by: Sarmaul 1) Move camera so it's facing the top of your ship 2) Double click in the area around your ship (but not actually on it) Congratulations, you are now flying down. It's surprisingly easy to fly upwards too using a modification of the above method. But you cant fly down in 90 degree from the planet orbit plane, like straight down or up, as Alzion said in post 15. Always also been a bit miffed that you cant move the camera freely, horizontally its no problem but vertically its limited to like 85-87 degree from the radial plane also.
Tobias Sjodin	Posted - 2006.06.28 14:00:00 - [71] Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov Space it flat because Chuck Norris got angry one day because he stumbled in it; and then decided to trample it so it wouldn't happen again. ;) This is a blatant lie! Chuck Norris doesn't stumble!
TheBlightedOne	Posted - 2006.06.28 14:59:00 - [72] Edited by: TheBlightedOne on 28/06/2006 15:00:14 The reason that you can't fly directly down in EVE (i.e. literally down the -ve y axis, assuming normal convetion), is that EVE camera system is essentially no more complex than quake or any 3rd person game which relies on longitude and latitude to determine camera orientation. Of course latitude values giving exact up and down directions results in a singularity, you lose longitude information (e.g. standing at the north pole, every direction you walk toward is south). Hence none of these games lets you do this. Rarely, games lets you have full control of orientation of characters (using rotation matrix or quaternions), but they tend to be quite confusing and difficult to get use to.

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