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Semkhet
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Posted - 2006.07.05 08:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Happydayz
It takes a special kind of stupid in a fleet commander to keep his short-ranged fleet stationary while it gets picked apart by a long range fleet.
Worst comes to worst in that situation you simply move your fleet to a safespot and keep mobile until you can pin the enemy down with a warp-in or an interdictor bubble.
However, if the hostile fleet already has sniping bookmarks then chances are that it is already a prepped battlefield, so the T1 fleet commander should have also had anti-sniping bookmarks made. Barring that then push comes to shove you just deploy cans to use as warp-to points.
Your post lacks consistency in the sense that you are praising goonfleet command and control in the first paragraph, and then essentially accusing them of mass incompetence in following.
First, the main rule to win is not to fight unless you choose the time and place of crucial engagements in order to fight on your own terms. It is true in RL and EVE. Therefore no sound leader will throw his most precious forces without attempting to design a suitable environment.
Second, provided the ressources of both sides are equivalent, usually the defending force benefits from many advantages over the attacker. That the defenders effectively exploits these advantages optimally is a whole other subject.
Third, the mobility of a gang is proportional to its size given that the number of individual errors increases linearly as well as the information its leader has to analyze. You don't handle 5 players like you handle 100, specially if it takes ages until all your troops manage to jump into a system.
Fourth, bigger your corp, easier it is to plant spies. Besides, the nature of EVE doesen't really favor unexpected moves given the slow pace of the game and the fact that you can't hide your presence unless resorting to log-on tactics.
Fifth, I praise the Goons for the dedication & efficiency they show at managing their members, but emphasize that the gameplay they choose statistically benefits from the lag-sideeffect it causes. It's apples & oranges.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.07.05 08:56:00 -
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goonfleet will test the claims that 1500 can inhabit a single node - u can bet if goons all turned up in jita there would be choas.
That said they keep the load balancing software on its toes and CCP will react with hopefully better node abilities as a result of the stress testing that hte goonfleet puts it under
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Rashmika Clavain
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Posted - 2006.07.05 10:36:00 -
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so... the honey bees were on dial up and they owned by the hornets cos they were on a T2 link?
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.07.05 10:38:00 -
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the uber versus the zerg the zerg always win.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.07.05 10:40:00 -
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was killer bees wasnt it ?
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Rashmika Clavain
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Posted - 2006.07.05 10:40:00 -
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the bees didn't 
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Ur Dirac
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Posted - 2006.07.05 14:56:00 -
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What's really funny about goonfleet threads is that you always have a couple of really old players who are, for some reason, very offended by the idea of newbies blowing them up.
There's usually a ton of vets cheering the goons on, don't get me wrong, but you usually see one or two guys going 'skills will win every time' and 't2 always beats t1' and 'goons are unfair because they have numbers' or some other such equally lame, self-justifying excuse.
Oh well. It IS good that there's an anti-establishment force in this game, or else the entrenched gerontocracy would just rule everything.
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Ellen Smith
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Posted - 2006.07.05 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Ellen Smith on 05/07/2006 15:42:47
Originally by: Gindar
the fate of goonfleet, the bees.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5390476768151802629&q=bees
one day an enemy will come.
I prefer the national geographic version (starts out the hornets attacking the hive from the google video, but then the hornets attack a different hive)
hey wait, the bees can fight back? (requires windows media player, so probably best viewed in IE)
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Shimpu
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Posted - 2006.07.05 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Gindar
the fate of goonfleet, the bees.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5390476768151802629&q=bees
one day an enemy will come.
There was no lag at all 
Originally by: Seleene
This is what happens when you eat the red M&M's
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Muwumba aliUbaid
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Posted - 2006.07.05 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Shimpu
\ I'll be a happy toon again when goon finally pulls out off xzh and I can fight other enemies again.
We're not leaving
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Bitter Vet
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Posted - 2006.07.05 18:16:00 -
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dont think they are leaving buddy ha ha
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Coupo
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Posted - 2006.07.05 18:17:00 -
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i hate the goons cos theyre not shooting at me :(
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I Shoot first, ask questions about your veldspar mining technique later
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Bitter Vet
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Posted - 2006.07.05 18:21:00 -
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what do bob think about this anyway
i mean on one side u have goonswarm noobie blobs of doom attacking d2, 2nd or 3rd most powerful alliance in game so u could probly attack at the same time and d2 would be dead, but then ur southern border is hurt
on the other hand u could wait until both are exhausted then take cloud ring, might be smartest
i guess the 3rd option would be to crush goonswarm with d2 before they got big, but i think people would call u cowards for that
what do u do
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13th
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Posted - 2006.07.05 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Bitter Vet
what do bob think about this anyway
i mean on one side u have goonswarm noobie blobs of doom attacking d2, 2nd or 3rd most powerful alliance in game so u could probly attack at the same time and d2 would be dead, but then ur southern border is hurt
on the other hand u could wait until both are exhausted then take cloud ring, might be smartest
i guess the 3rd option would be to crush goonswarm with d2 before they got big, but i think people would call u cowards for that
what do u do
Please don't turn this into a BoB thread.
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