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Benglada	Posted - 2006.07.02 21:26:00 - [1] When goonfleet came in with thousends of members mostly in frigs we laughed, and then we said "wow, one day there going to be in battleships" I think the day has come, i saw some pics and most of the ships were battleships /battlecruisers Hide Me. --------------------------- Originally by: Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.02 21:27:00 - [2] Really shows you can accomplish anything if you have the willpower... and 2000 friends. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Novarei	Posted - 2006.07.02 21:35:00 - [3] so the point in this post is.......... --------------------
Fuujin	Posted - 2006.07.02 21:38:00 - [4] Originally by: Novarei so the point in this post is.......... so the point in this post is.......... _______________ The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions
Izo Azlion	Posted - 2006.07.02 21:39:00 - [5] Originally by: Novarei so the point in this post is.......... 1 - We're *****. 2 - Expect more Goonswarm threads. Izo Azlion.* --- Director of Malum Vir
Novarei	Posted - 2006.07.02 21:41:00 - [6] Goonswarm are the new BoB? The devs wont be happy :P --------------------
Samirol	Posted - 2006.07.02 21:42:00 - [7] the real question is, will the goons be the new bob? Originally by: Tekka Originally by: ISD "Can I have your stuff?" isn't constructive, please stop. neither is 95% of the internet
Phoenix Lord	Posted - 2006.07.02 21:42:00 - [8] Yea its getting a bit scary... although goonfleet may still be full of n00bs and improperly fitted ships, such a large number of them makes up for all of it.. ---------------- Meet... bunneh:
Novarei	Posted - 2006.07.02 21:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Samirol the real question is, will the goons be the new bob? Goonswarm are BoB alts! --------------------
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.02 21:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Phoenix Lord Yea its getting a bit scary... although goonfleet may still be full of n00bs and improperly fitted ships, such a large number of them makes up for all of it.. With all the pvp experience they are getting, im willing to bet they wont be filled with n00bs for long...I think its pretty interesting. And in a year from now, they will be in larger ships if they are still loving the game. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Dirtball	Posted - 2006.07.02 21:54:00 - [11] I'm just happy to see the newer players getting to have a stake in things vs the t2 bpo alliances with lots of skill points and isk.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.02 21:56:00 - [12] Originally by: Novarei Originally by: Samirol the real question is, will the goons be the new bob? Goonswarm are BoB alts! 3 each
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2006.07.02 22:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 02/07/2006 21:46:16 Originally by: Phoenix Lord Yea its getting a bit scary... although goonfleet may still be full of n00bs and improperly fitted ships, such a large number of them makes up for all of it.. With all the pvp experience they are getting, im willing to bet they wont be filled with n00bs for long...I think its pretty interesting. And in a year from now, they will be in larger ships. They arent really getting that much experience they are learning how to kill people with lots of numbers. Lots of people in big ships doesnt mean they are good at what they are doing they will need structure, good FC's and a good industrial backbone to be effect.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.07.02 22:30:00 - [14] The ultimate cheat is mass, mass, mass. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
fuze	Posted - 2006.07.02 22:41:00 - [15] Goonies flying BS for months now. Killboards can be quite informative at times. We ain't got balls, but plenty of nuts.
Chip2k3	Posted - 2006.07.02 22:46:00 - [16] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 02/07/2006 21:46:16 Originally by: Phoenix Lord Yea its getting a bit scary... although goonfleet may still be full of n00bs and improperly fitted ships, such a large number of them makes up for all of it.. With all the pvp experience they are getting, im willing to bet they wont be filled with n00bs for long...I think its pretty interesting. And in a year from now, they will be in larger ships. They arent really getting that much experience they are learning how to kill people with lots of numbers. Lots of people in big ships doesnt mean they are good at what they are doing they will need structure, good FC's and a good industrial backbone to be effect. I agree. No they wont be the next BoB, BoB is an alliance of elite PvPers and they will continue to attract the elite PvPers of the game. Goonswarm are that...a swarm. They fight by numbers, and i bet 50 BoB or MC or other decent PvPers could take a 150man goonswarm fleet to pieces, just by tactics and better setups. 2 shots a Goonswarm ship goes POP. However, with the nerfs that could be coming to make PvP closer range then things could get interesting. Also, BoB only have 700 less pilots, and most off/all(?) BoB members are supposed to be the PvP elite so the 700 pilots easily accounts for the 2000noobs that Goonswarm has.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2006.07.02 22:54:00 - [17] Originally by: Chip2k3 Goonswarm are that...a swarm. They fight by numbers, and i bet 50 BoB or MC or other decent PvPers could take a 150man goonswarm fleet to pieces, just by tactics and better setups. You're probably right. But the 150 strong Goonswarm fleet is worth less than the half-dozen uber-fitted ships they manage to take down - and all of their ships, at least, can be fully insured. Your HACs, inties, and whatnot can't. How much harm are you doing them, exactly? Much though we hate RL analogies: think of the Soviet army in WWII. Stalin himself said it best: "Quantity has a quality all of its own." ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2006.07.02 22:58:00 - [18] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Chip2k3 Goonswarm are that...a swarm. They fight by numbers, and i bet 50 BoB or MC or other decent PvPers could take a 150man goonswarm fleet to pieces, just by tactics and better setups. You're probably right. But the 150 strong Goonswarm fleet is worth less than the half-dozen uber-fitted ships they manage to take down - and all of their ships, at least, can be fully insured. Your HACs, inties, and whatnot can't. How much harm are you doing them, exactly? Much though we hate RL analogies: think of the Soviet army in WWII. Stalin himself said it best: "Quantity has a quality all of its own." But when it comes down to it for morale losing 30 TI frigs in my opinion is worse than losing 1 HAC.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.07.02 23:00:00 - [19] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Chip2k3 Goonswarm are that...a swarm. They fight by numbers, and i bet 50 BoB or MC or other decent PvPers could take a 150man goonswarm fleet to pieces, just by tactics and better setups. You're probably right. But the 150 strong Goonswarm fleet is worth less than the half-dozen uber-fitted ships they manage to take down - and all of their ships, at least, can be fully insured. Your HACs, inties, and whatnot can't. How much harm are you doing them, exactly? Much though we hate RL analogies: think of the Soviet army in WWII. Stalin himself said it best: "Quantity has a quality all of its own." But when it comes down to it for morale losing 30 TI frigs in my opinion is worse than losing 1 HAC. Unlikely when somebody giving free T1 frigs. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
0bsession	Posted - 2006.07.02 23:01:00 - [20] Dont know about you, but numbers rule Eve... Goons are just a virus, but they are spreading... they consumed all the resources in their little corner, now they are moving out... god bless the virus.
SengH	Posted - 2006.07.02 23:03:00 - [21] for some reason this reminds me of the killer8 bwf flash but in the opposite.
Righteous Fury	Posted - 2006.07.02 23:05:00 - [22] I find it funny that people still bring up the cost of t1 disposable fleets vs expensive t2 fleets tha get the job done. Every single time, t2 will beat the utter crap out of t1. Goonswarm can wave around their massive numbers of worthless ships, but exactly where has it gotten them so far? Syndicate? Congratulations, anyone can live out of an NPC station. I'll be more impressed when they do something worth talking about.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2006.07.02 23:06:00 - [23] Originally by: Traxio Nacho But when it comes down to it for morale losing 30 TI frigs in my opinion is worse than losing 1 HAC. But apparently not in their opinion ... and it's their T1 frigs, so their opinion matters. If they do decide to go invade Delve or Fountain, things could get real interesting. It'd be rather like mankind's battle against the insects ... they surely can't do us any serious harm (as a species), but we just can't get rid of the buggers. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Sensi Milla	Posted - 2006.07.02 23:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Righteous Fury I find it funny that people still bring up the cost of t1 disposable fleets vs expensive t2 fleets tha get the job done. Every single time, t2 will beat the utter crap out of t1. Goonswarm can wave around their massive numbers of worthless ships, but exactly where has it gotten them so far? Syndicate? Congratulations, anyone can live out of an NPC station. I'll be more impressed when they do something worth talking about. Well ATM they've taken Sov over XZH ... beaten 9 D2 dreads and a carrier, constant fighting over a week, lets see how it turns out in the end. Seems pretty impressive to me though.
Tobias Sjodin	Posted - 2006.07.02 23:07:00 - [25] Originally by: Dirtball I'm just happy to see the newer players getting to have a stake in things vs the t2 bpo alliances with lots of skill points and isk. The truth!
Ab Initio	Posted - 2006.07.02 23:26:00 - [26] The most impressive part of there campaign so far hasn't been the fighting, it's been the logistics imho. Checking the D2 killboards shows 1100 or so Goon losses, the fact that there logistics has been able to keep up with that is what catches my attention.
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.07.02 23:44:00 - [27] We'll see, they're new yet and have a long road to travel. If they manage to secure Cloud Ring and keep it as a home then they have officially 'arrived' in my opinion. Until then they're an interesting curiosity and not much else. Eve Blacklight Style
Mogrin	Posted - 2006.07.02 23:47:00 - [28] I believe that Goonsquad is a multi-game spanning guild, like Epik.
Treylis	Posted - 2006.07.02 23:49:00 - [29] Originally by: Righteous Fury Edited by: Righteous Fury on 02/07/2006 23:07:19 I find it funny that people still bring up the cost of t1 disposable fleets vs expensive t2 fleets tha get the job done. Every single time, t2 will beat the utter crap out of t1. Goonswarm can wave around their massive numbers of worthless ships, but exactly where has it gotten them so far? Syndicate? Congratulations, anyone can live out of an NPC station. They get absolutely wrecked by more 'expensive' fleets. The ship cost factor doesnt even come into the equation for most major alliances when conquering and defending a region. I'll be more impressed when they do something worth talking about. Greetings and hello!
Calenth	Posted - 2006.07.03 00:02:00 - [30] Originally by: Mogrin I believe that Goonsquad is a multi-game spanning guild, like Epik. This is mostly true. A better description would probably be that we're an online community with tends of thousands of members, many of whom tend to play games like this together. The leaders of any given "goon guild" in any given game will be different, but it's the same community, and a year ago I was playing WoW with a lot of the same people I'm playing Eve with now.
Atara Thalia	Posted - 2006.07.03 00:16:00 - [31] Edited by: Atara Thalia on 03/07/2006 00:24:00 Edited by: Atara Thalia on 03/07/2006 00:19:22 I would love to correct all the people that say we have no skills and no tactics, that we can only win by numbers. But I'm not, because I love it even more when people underestimate us. In XZH our numbers have definatly helped, but ever time we have taken out a dread or repelled the people attacking our POS we have been outnumbered and outgunned. And many of the respectable members of D2 will agree that if nothing else we are bound and determined. On friday a smaller fleet repelled a 10 dread + support fleet assault on one of our POSes for SIX HOURS. In the end almost all of our fleet was wiped out, D2 lost 4 dreads, and our POS shields went below 27% but still managed to stay out of reinforced. Anyone on either side know how intense this fight was. Someone in this thread said that 50 t2 ships with skilled pilots would mop the floor against 150 of us. Alot of people that have tried those odds would probably disagree. And even if it were true and our entire 150 man fleet was wiped out, within 30-60 minutes we would be right back there ready to die for the swarm again. Oh yeah, and since we arent allowed to post in the alliance forum I want to take this time to thank many of D2 for the absolutly epic battles that have fought throughout the week. My account is barely 4 months old but I'm sure I'm taking part in things that some people with 2 yrs under there belt haven't had the opportunity to see. Both D2 and Goonfleet have pulled out all stops and have shown that neither is going to let this system just slip away. I wish everyone could see just how absolutly brutal some of these fights are with both sides absolutly refusing to die (well... refusing to stay dead). In my opinion the experience gained from this campain is worth more than XZH and its surrounding systems. I salute everyone that has taken part. P.S. All Alts, Crybabies, Drama *****s, and Threadnaughts need to go away and let the rest of us have our fun.
Calenth	Posted - 2006.07.03 00:35:00 - [32] Edited by: Calenth on 03/07/2006 00:40:49 Originally by: Phoenix Lord Yea its getting a bit scary... although goonfleet may still be full of n00bs and improperly fitted ships, such a large number of them makes up for all of it.. There are a few things I almost wish I could share with the rest of Eve, for one reason or another, but can't for what are essentially security reasons. One is the chatlog of how we actually decided to invade Cloud Ring, for humor value alone. But what would probably do the most good for the overall community would be if we released all the information in our Eve wiki -- guides, fitting information and ship setups for each ship, etc. Unfortunately of course we need to keep most of that information proprietary, but I would venture a guess that our average three to six month old player has a better working knowledge of game mechanics etc. than a lot of people would suspect. We put a lot of effort into educating and supporting our membership, not only in terms of free ships or whatever, but in terms of information, guidance, etc.
Zyper	Posted - 2006.07.03 00:49:00 - [33] I think it is impressive that new players get something like that done - even if it is with high numbers, and I cant agree more than i would love to be in one of those intense fights, even if it was just flying a t1 frig :) So far its mostly stand-offs at sniper range, with one side running as soon as they see its going to end badly. Would just imagen a 50+ man frig fleet warp in between some sniper fleet and *****them :P
Mi'zuro	Posted - 2006.07.03 00:56:00 - [34] While this thread is here.. It's "goons", not "goonies" or "gooners" although "goonygoongoon" is acceptable.
Juino	Posted - 2006.07.03 01:02:00 - [35] Hey guys, I hear nobody in Goonfleet can fly t2 ships, and man they need some good FC's. 50 t2 ships could own their 150 newb fleet lmao. As demonstrated by how owned they got by Supremacy/GA/BRS/NBSI and then D2/RAZOR/YouWhat.
without	Posted - 2006.07.03 01:06:00 - [36] Originally by: Chip2k3 I agree. No they wont be the next BoB, BoB is an alliance of elite PvPers and they will continue to attract the elite PvPers of the game. made me laugh less than 10% of bob are what id call elite, and only about 5 people that i would class as elite perhaps your definition of elite is a lot lover than mine, but trust me they are not that good at all! most of them that is! just look at their deathmails on their kb for proof
Pseudothei	Posted - 2006.07.03 01:14:00 - [37] Originally by: Mi'zuro While this thread is here.. It's "goons", not "goonies" or "gooners", although "goonygoongoon" is acceptable. This. 'Cause I think of Corey Feldman everytime I read 'goonies' on the board, and Corey Feldman ain't cool. Goons are. /T1 crokite mining newb
John Leitch	Posted - 2006.07.03 01:21:00 - [38] Originally by: Mi'zuro While this thread is here.. It's "goons", not "goonies" or "gooners" although "goonygoongoon" is acceptable. You will 'bee' whatever people wish to call you. Have fun Little Bee's
Berrik Radhok	Posted - 2006.07.03 01:28:00 - [39] Edited by: Berrik Radhok on 03/07/2006 01:30:32 Originally by: Sensi Milla Originally by: Righteous Fury I find it funny that people still bring up the cost of t1 disposable fleets vs expensive t2 fleets tha get the job done. Every single time, t2 will beat the utter crap out of t1. Goonswarm can wave around their massive numbers of worthless ships, but exactly where has it gotten them so far? Syndicate? Congratulations, anyone can live out of an NPC station. I'll be more impressed when they do something worth talking about. Well ATM they've taken Sov over XZH ... beaten 9 D2 dreads and a carrier, constant fighting over a week, lets see how it turns out in the end. Seems pretty impressive to me though. Two carriers, we blew up another last night that decided to stick it's nose outside the POS shield and forgot citadel torps follow you into the shield (pwned by dreads). Also, to Mr. "I'm not impressed", if standing up to the third largest power in EVE doesn't impress you, I'm not sure what will. Perhaps you want us to fly to Delve and tweak SirMolle's beard? *disclaimer: I have no information on SirMolle's facial hair or lack thereof Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes
The Mittani	Posted - 2006.07.03 01:39:00 - [40] Edited by: The Mittani on 03/07/2006 01:40:48 Originally by: EVE Conventional Wisdom Newbies will never accomplish anything in this game! You have to have 40 million sp and fly tech 2 everything to even set foot in 0.0! Goons will never take Syndicate! Goons will never take conquerable space! Goons will never... OH GOD BEES BEES ANGRY BEES akfjhskjdf I think one of the most difficult things for most EVE players to understand is that goons adore suicidal tactics. We lose thousands of ships and giggle. This quote, for example, is precisely wrong: Originally by: Traxio Nacho But when it comes down to it for morale losing 30 TI frigs in my opinion is worse than losing 1 HAC. Goons love this stuff. It makes us cackle. Nothing really makes us happier than running gleefully into the guns of our foes, especially if our foes are flying around in incredibly expensive t2 toys. 30 frigates is like 3 million isk, while one HAC is someone's baby, lavished with fancy equipment, a massive investment. We lose a frigate, they lose a HAC, we win. In fact, our most successful recruitment banner from SomethingAwful focused on blowing up HACs with swarms of t1 frigs. The XZH campaign has seen the deaths of thousands of goon ships, and really, we don't care. We've gotten to blow up dreadnaughts, and we love doing that. I mean, seriously, newbies blowing up dreads. How cool is that? As Ab Initio has pointed out, our logisiticians are brilliant, and they really make it possible for us to send wave after wave of fanatical, bloodthirty newbies against our foes for weeks on end. Ironically, the whole campaign is purely an accident. Our pilots have bad cases of ADD, and one of them got bored and, as we say, 'shot web' at the station. Nine minutes later we're invading and OH GOD CONQUERABLE SPACE WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH. The rest is history. I am the Mittani, a director type guy who does Stuff and this speaks vaguely for the Swarm, and I approve of this message!
Traellium	Posted - 2006.07.03 01:39:00 - [41] Originally by: Juino Hey guys, I hear nobody in Goonfleet can fly t2 ships, and man they need some good FC's. 50 t2 ships could own their 150 newb fleet lmao. * Today, perhaps. What about tomorrow though? * Its always more fun to play on the side of the underdog. If they lose a fight, its expected. If they win, they win big. * It sounds like your estimate of 150 ships is low. * I have never heard of the Goonswarm before reading this thread, but I feel meself cheering them on. * The battles do sound like a ton of fun. * Their posts on this thread make for interesting reading, and they sound more positive than yours. I think they know how to laugh with someone, rather than at them. At least, that is how they sound based on their posts. Yes, I would like to hear them do some cool things with their unique membership.
Calenth	Posted - 2006.07.03 01:44:00 - [42] Originally by: The Mittani Ironically, the whole campaign is purely an accident. Our pilots have bad cases of ADD, and one of them got bored and, as we say, 'shot web' at the station. Nine minutes later we're invading and OH GOD CONQUERABLE SPACE WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH. The rest is history. I am the Mittani, a director type guy who does Stuff and this speaks vaguely for the Swarm, and I approve of this message! I'm not going to do it, Mitt, since I'm a retired director now instead of a real one, but you really should post that chatlog.
Chiron Typhon	Posted - 2006.07.03 01:47:00 - [43] In a game where organisational ability, people & resource management, politics and high level strategy create more real power than what ship you fly I'd say that the Goons are pretty impressive. Keeping that many people focused and organised can't be easy. I remember how hard it was to keep 100 member clans on track in other MMOs; 2,000 blows my mind. "Draw them in by the prospect of gain, take them by confusion" -Sun Tzu
Juino	Posted - 2006.07.03 01:53:00 - [44] Originally by: Traellium Originally by: Juino Hey guys, I hear nobody in Goonfleet can fly t2 ships, and man they need some good FC's. 50 t2 ships could own their 150 newb fleet lmao. * Today, perhaps. What about tomorrow though? * Its always more fun to play on the side of the underdog. If they lose a fight, its expected. If they win, they win big. * It sounds like your estimate of 150 ships is low. * I have never heard of the Goonswarm before reading this thread, but I feel meself cheering them on. * The battles do sound like a ton of fun. * Their posts on this thread make for interesting reading, and they sound more positive than yours. I think they know how to laugh with someone, rather than at them. At least, that is how they sound based on their posts. Yes, I would like to hear them do some cool things with their unique membership. My post was sarcastic. You can see by the goon killboard there are plenty of people with t2 battleships, dictors, AF, force recons, interceptors and so on. Although certainly the bulk of the fleets are t1 frigs and cruisers.
The Mittani	Posted - 2006.07.03 01:54:00 - [45] Edited by: The Mittani on 03/07/2006 01:54:39 Originally by: Chiron Typhon In a game where organisational ability, people & resource management, politics and high level strategy create more real power than what ship you fly I'd say that the Goons are pretty impressive. Keeping that many people focused and organised can't be easy. I remember how hard it was to keep 100 member clans on track in other MMOs; 2,000 blows my mind. We have it easy because we have an external source of membership- We're all goons. But you're right; most of the growing pains in GoonSwarm history have revolved around not fighting off our enemies, but simply trying to create an organizational structure within the directorate that can effectively manage a vast horde of bees. The complexity is mind-numbing, and not unlike manageing an actual corporation in real life. What's great is that the structures work so well that the individual bee can really go off and do their own thing and experience EVE, but when it comes time for the Swarm to act, we act with shocking speed and unity. Like, say, going from full stop 'let's wait 6 months before bothering with conquerable space' to invading Cloud Ring in nine minutes. Let that sink in a bit. Nine. Minutes. Yep. It's pretty cool.
Azaeren	Posted - 2006.07.03 02:04:00 - [46] Another thing a lot of people think, is that goons are young and idiots. The average age of a goon is usually around 20+. A lot of us are college educated or been in the workforce for a long time, and not in the fastfood idiot side of it. Another lot of us are college students. Some of yall would freak out if you saw the in depth spreadsheets we've got written up. That being said, we really do all fly t1 frigates and orbit at 2000 meters, so PLEASE start fitting nothing but smartbombs on your ships. Please fit faction items that are rare, especially officer items. 9 dreads, 2 carriers down. Loads of T2 fitted longrange sniping battleships, 200M+ HACS, all killed by noobs in noobships.
BuSHiDo ZiN	Posted - 2006.07.03 02:04:00 - [47] Edited by: BuSHiDo ZiN on 03/07/2006 02:10:28 The cloud ring invasion started off much in the same way that your three buddies show up at your house at 11 PM and demand to go to Whataburger/Late-Night Fast food joing of choice. Our most powerful counterespionaige abilities stem from the fact that nobody knows what we're doing until we're halfway done. EDIT: Az, you're selling us short, unless you're not counting the pacifying of syndicate on purpose. That was what? Three dreads and a two carriers?
Calenth	Posted - 2006.07.03 02:09:00 - [48] Edited by: Calenth on 03/07/2006 02:10:10 ok, I couldn't resist any longer. (forgive me fellow goons!) I replaced the profanity etc. with ** because I'm not sure what the board filters. This was the choice moment: Quote: [ 2006.06.25 22:31:13 ] Thingul Sindacolla > can't we like take over this station or something :p [ 2006.06.25 22:31:16 ] GameraChan > - [ 2006.06.25 22:31:18 ] Donkey Chips > you should fit *TRON colliders [ 2006.06.25 22:31:19 ] Hanged > what did you lose though [ 2006.06.25 22:31:19 ] Furiousb > xzh [ 2006.06.25 22:31:19 ] Armois Delgato > we should [ 2006.06.25 22:31:22 ] Armois Delgato > CALL IN THE DREADS [ 2006.06.25 22:31:24 ] komrad > and he got away before i got inrange [ 2006.06.25 22:31:42 ] Archaosus > this a player owned station ? [ 2006.06.25 22:31:48 ] Kluppax > yes [ 2006.06.25 22:31:49 ] Archaosus > voted boom [ 2006.06.25 22:31:52 ] squidgee > yea [ 2006.06.25 22:31:55 ] Archaosus > thread delivers [ 2006.06.25 22:31:57 ] dralathii > no they wouldnt expect the spanish inquisition [ 2006.06.25 22:32:03 ] Walumachoncha SA > 555 good space [ 2006.06.25 22:32:06 ] Furiousb > I count one POS within scanrange, might be more out of range though. [ 2006.06.25 22:32:07 ] Kitaran O'Keefe > What's it take to blow this thing up? [ 2006.06.25 22:32:09 ] Suvat > "Archaosus > voted boom"QFT [ 2006.06.25 22:32:10 ] Mars Frederiksen > can you blow these things up?? [ 2006.06.25 22:32:17 ] squidgee > no [ 2006.06.25 22:32:20 ] Billy Merc > cloud ring? [ 2006.06.25 22:32:30 ] Walumachoncha SA > that's optimisim [ 2006.06.25 22:32:34 ] Archaosus > yeah take that from my 125mm gatlings *** [ 2006.06.25 22:32:39 ] MagicalMako > we dont have soveriegnty here [ 2006.06.25 22:32:46 ] Furiousb > it says I'm doing damage though.
Sochin	Posted - 2006.07.03 02:10:00 - [49] Originally by: Berrik Radhok Also, to Mr. "I'm not impressed", if standing up to the third largest power in EVE doesn't impress you, I'm not sure what will. Perhaps you want us to fly to Delve and tweak SirMolle's beard? Please do. Nemo me impune lacessit
Sindayn Itai	Posted - 2006.07.03 02:12:00 - [50] Edited by: Sindayn Itai on 03/07/2006 02:11:56 Originally by: Calenth chatlog. The tl;dr version (and the aftermath) is as follows: Goon A: hay im gonna shoot the station k Goon B: lol ok whatever nub Goon B: we've got time to kill anyway Goon A: pew pew! Goon B: Wait... it's actually taking damage? Goon A: uh huh Goon B: ATTACK! Goon C: ATTACK! Goon D: ATTACK! Goon E: ATTACK! Goon A: wats happenin? Goon F: ATTACK! Goon G: ATTACK! Goon H: ATTACK! Goon I: Summon the others! ATTACK! Too big - Cathath Made it smaller. Is this better? Still too big - Cheers Pirlouit Alright, fine:
Cringeley	Posted - 2006.07.03 02:16:00 - [51] Cloud Ring has been an amazing rocket ride for all of us. It has been a metamorphosis. A week ago we didn't think we were ready for conquerable space. Now, even if we lose this round, we know we are. -------------------------------------------- Thrice is he armed who has his quarrel just, But four times he who gets his blow in fust.
Berrik Radhok	Posted - 2006.07.03 02:21:00 - [52] Originally by: BuSHiDo ZiN Edited by: BuSHiDo ZiN on 03/07/2006 02:10:28 The cloud ring invasion started off much in the same way that your three buddies show up at your house at 11 PM and demand to go to Whataburger/Late-Night Fast food joing of choice. Our most powerful counterespionaige abilities stem from the fact that nobody knows what we're doing until we're halfway done. Including us! Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes
Billy Merc	Posted - 2006.07.03 02:24:00 - [53] Originally by: Sindayn Itai Edited by: Sindayn Itai on 03/07/2006 02:11:56 Originally by: Calenth chatlog. The tl;dr version (and the aftermath) is as follows: Goon A: hay im gonna shoot the station k Goon B: lol ok whatever nub Goon B: we've got time to kill anyway Goon A: pew pew! Goon B: Wait... it's actually taking damage? Goon A: uh huh Goon B: fofofo! Goon C: fofofo! Goon D: fofofo! Goon E: fofofo! Goon A: wats happenin? Goon F: fofofo! Goon G: fofofo! Goon H: fofofo! Goon I: Summon the others! fofofo! fixed
ROMOflaven	Posted - 2006.07.03 02:29:00 - [54] Edited by: ROMOflaven on 03/07/2006 02:29:41 This has been said, but I wanted to thank D2 for not cutting and running and instead bringing us some of the most fun I've had in EVE since I started in february. Up until the last week or so I was playing maybe 8-12 hours a week, I've now been on non-stop whenever I'm not at work. All I have to do is log in and there's a gang up and it's engaging the enemy, and during any given day we'll have three or four MAJOR engangements where instead of running away to a safe spot, both sides are tossing a few hundred ships at each other. I have 3mil skillpoints and just the other day I helped my corp take down three dreadnaughts, how many other fledgling corps in eve can make that claim? edit - sorry didn't mean to post on my alt, my main is insolace
Kurren	Posted - 2006.07.03 02:43:00 - [55] All this arguing over numbers and newbyness... Most 0.0 space was claimed back when NOBODY was fighting for it. [m0o] was just a bunch of no0bs at one time. Honestly, I've been playing this game for quite some time, and I can tell you... skill in a fleet battle means nothing. You simply shoot until you die. The only person that matters is the commander... the rest is simply numbers. Goonfleet has the numbers. Holding out for 6 days requires the skills. It's only a matter of time before they come knocking on [BoB]'s door, and then maybe even ASCN's. Though, I don't recommend either, but call it a matter of time and patience. Eventually, they'll just do something to shut everybody up. I love the way people always banter on about how noobs can accomplish things when they put their minds to it, and then turn around and insult/bash Goon for being a bunch of noobs. Well, they are... and they put their minds to it. Good on ya, Gooners! Claiming 0.0 is very tough to do. Even if ya don't, I have to applaud the attempt. --- --- --- --- SobaKai.com
Julian Gotauri	Posted - 2006.07.03 02:46:00 - [56] Originally by: Sochin Originally by: Berrik Radhok Also, to Mr. "I'm not impressed", if standing up to the third largest power in EVE doesn't impress you, I'm not sure what will. Perhaps you want us to fly to Delve and tweak SirMolle's beard? Please do. We did that already. You met us at the gate, and good fights were had.
Xgkkp	Posted - 2006.07.03 02:52:00 - [57] Originally by: Chiron Typhon Keeping that many people focused and organised can't be easy. My favourite analogy is that controlling Goonfleet is like herding cats.
The Mittani	Posted - 2006.07.03 02:55:00 - [58] Originally by: Xgkkp Originally by: Chiron Typhon Keeping that many people focused and organised can't be easy. My favourite analogy is that controlling Goonfleet is like herding cats. Kittens. Homicidal, drooling, slightly retarded kittens.
Jacinto Naysmith	Posted - 2006.07.03 02:57:00 - [59] Goonfleet isn't BoB, nor will we ever be BoB. BoB takes this game a lot more seriously then we do. Originally by: Traxio Nacho But when it comes down to it for morale losing 30 TI frigs in my opinion is worse than losing 1 HAC. Nope, nobody in goonfleet cares about frigate losses. When one gets blown up you hop in another and get back into the fight to blow up more stuff. Even a newbie who's only been playing for a couple days can easilly afford to fly suicide frigates, and if they can't then theres hundreds of goons who'll gladly give them the money.
MachZERO	Posted - 2006.07.03 03:01:00 - [60] Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking any sides here but it's definately nice to see a group of people NOT useing the cookie cutter mentality of dreads, dreads, dreads... Ohhh.. and a few carriers.. This should also help to break up the "xxx, primary.. yyy secondary..." blob combat that fleet ops have become. Finally... Someone is using their heads instead of their wallets.
Calenth	Posted - 2006.07.03 03:43:00 - [61] Edited by: Calenth on 03/07/2006 03:44:42 Edited by: Calenth on 03/07/2006 03:44:20 Originally by: Kurren It's only a matter of time before they come knocking on [BoB]'s door, and then maybe even ASCN's. Though, I don't recommend either, but call it a matter of time and patience. Eventually, they'll just do something to shut everybody up. . I kinda doubt it, honestly. A lot of the reason we have pursued XZH so hotly is that the system is close to our other spaces and almost perfectly suited to our needs -- a lot of good belts and a complex in a single system with a single bottleneck gate entrance. Our swarm tactics rely on a pretty high population density in a small area; spreading out over large swathes of conquerable space, like BoB or ASCN does, isn't something we're really geared to do. There's a big difference between defending a single really good system (which is basically what cloud ring is) and defending an entire region or set of regions, like the senior big alliances do, and I don't think we're really ready for those large-scale, long-range territory campaigns. I guess I could be wrong, though.
CRUSH BOSS	Posted - 2006.07.03 03:46:00 - [62] Originally by: Juino Hey guys, I hear nobody in Goonfleet can fly t2 ships, and man they need some good FC's. 50 t2 ships could own their 150 newb fleet lmao. As demonstrated by how owned they got by Supremacy/GA/BRS/NBSI and then D2/RAZOR/YouWhat. Yawn... Oh how wrong you are we fight for the ONE, we die for ONE. we are GOON-Fleet
Tassitus Mallinar	Posted - 2006.07.03 03:51:00 - [63] Edited by: Tassitus Mallinar on 03/07/2006 03:53:00 Edited by: Tassitus Mallinar on 03/07/2006 03:52:38 I remember, I was in a defense gang just keeping an eye out for a rogue fleet when, all of a sudden, my gang lead gets on TeamSpeak and is like "Head's up guys. There's a station in Cloud Ring that isn't claimed right now, and we're going to take it. Now. This has highest priority." Two hours later, I was in XZH. I'm amazed at what the swarm can accomplish still.
Johanen	Posted - 2006.07.03 03:55:00 - [64] Originally by: MachZERO Finally... Someone is using their heads instead of their wallets. It's more allong the lines of using our heads to save our wallets. I, myself, have personally lost 3 battleships, several cruisers, and about a half dozen frigates. I have personally soloed or small group ganked several T2 fitted ships, including a fully T2 fitted raven. The total after insurance loss of my 5 days of combat is probably close to 100 million ISK after fitings and insurance. The T2 loot I've recovered from cans is probably worth close to 240 mil if the TRUST website is accurate. Sure the T2 ships are about 20-60% better in terms of raw DPS and range, but our unconventional battle tactics and berserker disregard for life, limb, or ship allows us to level the playing field nicely and kill on equal terms, without the ISK loss. On the topic of newbies, I personally helped several two to three day old newbies in the fleet combat taking place in XZH. One of them didn't know how to even align properly. Later that night, that same clueless newbie got a critical tackle in on a T2 fitted HAC, costing the frigate pilot almost nothing [we actually gave him close to 20 mil for that superb tackle], and the HAC pilot lost his ship and a full rack of T2 weapons and modules. I'm a competent BS pilot working my way into T2 ships, my clone costs me millions of ISK each time I get podded, and I STILL don't care if I die. That mentality of "We know we're going to hell, let's see how many of you we take with us" is very powerful when backed by our world class logistics and veteran FCs.
whatevayo	Posted - 2006.07.03 04:05:00 - [65] Edited by: whatevayo on 03/07/2006 04:08:33 Logged into pricechecker alt by accident. Main below
SaucyLad	Posted - 2006.07.03 04:05:00 - [66] Edited by: SaucyLad on 03/07/2006 04:05:44 I think the best advantage Goonfleet has is that as an institutional culture, the things that is viewed with the most contempt is a refusal to fight. It means that people often throw valuable ships into pointless battles and we get massacred, which is bad, but since we do it so often every once in a while the stars align, fortune smiles upon us and we pull off a big victory. Then 9 dreads go boom. Even on the frequent occasions we get brutally massacred the losses are easily replaceable. I'm glad D2 have the same love of actually getting into combat instead of constant posturing until victory is assured. If only CCP had implemented ship debris in time for the XZH fight, it would have been awesome. And a covop's pilots nightmare (i think even now they are having difficulty due to the huge amounts of frozen corpses everywhere). Here's hoping goons & D2 can get that "ships destroyed in the last 24 hours" counter up over a thousand and make history. edit: oops posted on an alt, my main is Richard Face
Parapolizei	Posted - 2006.07.03 04:08:00 - [67] Edited by: Parapolizei on 03/07/2006 04:07:46 If we lose XZH we don't really lose anything. We never had it in the first place and we never planned for it. What we gain is more important: Knowledge, experience of conq space and POS warfare, and most important - a ton of FUN. XZH is just a bonus.
Valator Uel	Posted - 2006.07.03 04:13:00 - [68] I'd love to see the goons in interceptors. Imagine 2000 inties attacking... it's not a bee swarm anymore, it's a freaking wasp swarm
BuSHiDo ZiN	Posted - 2006.07.03 04:17:00 - [69] Originally by: CRUSH BOSS Originally by: Juino Hey guys, I hear nobody in Goonfleet can fly t2 ships, and man they need some good FC's. 50 t2 ships could own their 150 newb fleet lmao. As demonstrated by how owned they got by Supremacy/GA/BRS/NBSI and then D2/RAZOR/YouWhat. Yawn... Oh how wrong you are Please to be onlining Sarcasm Sensor Booster
Haniblecter Teg	Posted - 2006.07.03 04:44:00 - [70] Goonfleet is SA.com Fortunately, doctors havent developed an online version of ritalin. They'll leave when their attn spam bests them. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
SengH	Posted - 2006.07.03 04:47:00 - [71] Originally by: Valator Uel I'd love to see the goons in interceptors. Imagine 2000 inties attacking... it's not a bee swarm anymore, it's a freaking wasp swarm I can arrange that with errh a click of 5 buttons.
Mogrin	Posted - 2006.07.03 04:54:00 - [72] Is there anyone in goonfleet that is trustworthy to accept isk donations from those who want to support goons? I dont like to pvp, but I admire what you guys are doing to shake things up. I wouldn't mind donating like 1 mil isk for every day that I find time to play eve.
Traellium	Posted - 2006.07.03 05:50:00 - [73] Well, thanks to this thread my wife downloaded Eve, got the 14 day trial, and started on the tutorial. So many threads are about how newbies have a tough time, frustration, feeling of never being able to contribute, long way to catch up ... that its easy to say no. This thread makes it all sound like it could be a ton of fun! Neither of us likes pvp, but we would probably make an exception for something like this.
F'nog	Posted - 2006.07.03 05:52:00 - [74] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire The ultimate cheat is mass, mass, mass. I counter with inertia! Originally by: Panzer Goddess I podded wrangler, and all I got was this lousy forumban.
Manion Taleroth	Posted - 2006.07.03 06:12:00 - [75] We do all that we do for one sole purpose, to try to inspire another Killer8 flash.
Jason Marshall	Posted - 2006.07.03 06:28:00 - [76] Oh just wait for the day of the capitol smart bomb, and POS level smartbombs ......it will happen. And i cant wait to see 150 T1 frigs all blow up at the same time. Tacky lens flares in sigs 4tw!
Berrik Radhok	Posted - 2006.07.03 06:52:00 - [77] Originally by: Jason Marshall Oh just wait for the day of the capitol smart bomb, and POS level smartbombs ......it will happen. And i cant wait to see 150 T1 frigs all blow up at the same time. It's called the Titan, and the problem with setting it off at the POS is that it will blow up all the things you have anchored there Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes
Richard Face	Posted - 2006.07.03 06:53:00 - [78] Originally by: Jason Marshall Oh just wait for the day of the capitol smart bomb, and POS level smartbombs ......it will happen. And i cant wait to see 150 T1 frigs all blow up at the same time. Ha, the problem with smartbombing a load of goons is that receiving all those killmails similtaneously lags you out and crashes your client. As a BoB member learned to much hilarity on both sides.
Hanns Choibman	Posted - 2006.07.03 06:57:00 - [79] Originally by: Valator Uel I'd love to see the goons in interceptors. Imagine 2000 inties attacking... it's not a bee swarm anymore, it's a freaking wasp swarm We are not all at disposable interceptors yet, but we have evolved into cruisers now. Behold the Beesprey What can we do to get an Alliance Paint Job, CCP?? ----------------------------------------------
Yoko Milan	Posted - 2006.07.03 07:16:00 - [80] Firstly I wish you well GoonFleet. And I'm glad I'm not going to war against you, so many ships alone in one system would probably lag me out. I wouldn't need all those kill mails to do it. I would liken most of the large alliances out there to the old Imperialistic nations from around the time of the american revolution. You could go as far as calling BoB the England of the time. Goonswarm would be the barbarians of the time, that even though they were outmatched in technology they would just through themselves in masive hordes against the imperial armies. Except this time I think the barbarians may win out. You may even consider goonswarm to be the American colonies. However you prefer.
Mister Spanky	Posted - 2006.07.03 07:18:00 - [81] Originally by: Jason Marshall Oh just wait for the day of the capitol smart bomb, and POS level smartbombs ......it will happen. And i cant wait to see 150 T1 frigs all blow up at the same time. Jason, I think you'd better make that 2000 T1 Frigs as most of Goonfleet would turn out to see that happen too. Mogrin's offer to donate to Goonfleet was very kind and has earned him a few friends in the Swarm but it's not neccessary. As previously stated we have 18 belts of Crockite in our home system alone. I spent my first couple of weeks in game flying around Empire and made 7 million isk during that time, but when I went down to SU I made 120 million in my first week from ratting alone. If there's one thing Goonfleet does not need its money. I'm really pleased our antics have brought new players into the game and I hope Traellium's wife enjoys it as much as we do. Just a reminder to anyone else reading this thread though - Goonfleet are recruited exclusively from the SomethingAwful forums and if you aren't a member there you cannot join us. You can however join our sister Corporation, the Duragon Pioneer Group. They live in the same space as us and are extremely cool people. Oh yes, and a Killer8 flash would be awesome. ---------------------------------------------------
Johanen	Posted - 2006.07.03 07:21:00 - [82] Originally by: Yoko Milan I would liken most of the large alliances out there to the old Imperialistic nations from around the time of the american revolution. You could go as far as calling BoB the England of the time. Goonswarm would be the barbarians of the time, that even though they were outmatched in technology they would just through themselves in masive hordes against the imperial armies. Except this time I think the barbarians may win out. You may even consider goonswarm to be the American colonies. However you prefer. I still prefer Stalingrad, as it actually had germans involved. We're the russians, inferior technology, superior manpower. We shall crush them under a sea of red, which may or may not be composed by the bodies of the fallen.
Toffles	Posted - 2006.07.03 07:26:00 - [83] Originally by: Mogrin Is there anyone in goonfleet that is trustworthy to accept isk donations from those who want to support goons? I dont like to pvp, but I admire what you guys are doing to shake things up. I wouldn't mind donating like 1 mil isk for every day that I find time to play eve. You are very generous. It's nice to know some people out there actually support us. It's easy to forget that not everyone hates you when you have to face fleets from 7 different alliances in the north, east, and south (thanks veritas immortalis). As for who to send money to, I'm not sure. I don't even know if we take donations. If we do I'm fairly sure you would send the money to the character Remedial with the reason as "GS donation" or something. Hopefully someone else can clarify on this.
Mogrin	Posted - 2006.07.03 07:46:00 - [84] Originally by: Toffles Originally by: Mogrin Is there anyone in goonfleet that is trustworthy to accept isk donations from those who want to support goons? I dont like to pvp, but I admire what you guys are doing to shake things up. I wouldn't mind donating like 1 mil isk for every day that I find time to play eve. You are very generous. It's nice to know some people out there actually support us. It's easy to forget that not everyone hates you when you have to face fleets from 7 different alliances in the north, east, and south (thanks veritas immortalis). As for who to send money to, I'm not sure. I don't even know if we take donations. If we do I'm fairly sure you would send the money to the character Remedial with the reason as "GS donation" or something. Hopefully someone else can clarify on this. Its like when europe was afraid of democracy, whenever a king was overthrown, the entire continent gangbanged the independent state.
Wild Rho	Posted - 2006.07.03 07:47:00 - [85] Keep up the good fight goons, it's making for some fun reading here if nothing else WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.07.03 08:00:00 - [86] They should take NOL-M9. Fear the Ibis of doom!
thesleeper	Posted - 2006.07.03 08:45:00 - [87] Originally by: Calenth Edited by: Calenth on 03/07/2006 00:40:49 Originally by: Phoenix Lord Yea its getting a bit scary... although goonfleet may still be full of n00bs and improperly fitted ships, such a large number of them makes up for all of it.. There are a few things I almost wish I could share with the rest of Eve, for one reason or another, but can't for what are essentially security reasons. One is the chatlog of how we actually decided to invade Cloud Ring, for humor value alone. But what would probably do the most good for the overall community would be if we released all the information in our Eve wiki -- guides, fitting information and ship setups for each ship, etc. Unfortunately of course we need to keep most of that information proprietary, but I would venture a guess that our average three to six month old player has a better working knowledge of game mechanics etc. than a lot of people would suspect. We put a lot of effort into educating and supporting our membership, not only in terms of free ships or whatever, but in terms of information, guidance, etc. Um .. puts up hand can I join ? Threads like this make you keen to play. - the sleeper service -
Floppy Disk	Posted - 2006.07.03 09:05:00 - [88] Edited by: Floppy Disk on 03/07/2006 09:05:44 Help me I'm posting in eve-o God Mittani don't kill my family. Goonfleet are berserkers. When our FCs make the call the multitude of "YOU HAVE MY AXE" and "YOU HAVE MY BOW" pretty much turns Teamspeak into one long barely audible squeak. Probably because we're all still going through crac-king voices (oh cmon filtering out that word is not cool). Then we play Dragonforce and the Soviet Nation anthem and everyone suicides into an asteroid or something and Remedials wallet fills with insurance money. I can only hope to move up to flying a Stabber because I heard they're fast Serious: XZH has been the most fun I've had in eve since I turned on my first mining laser and got bored before the first veldspar entered my cargohold. D2 know how to bring it, and besides the previous unfortunate thread we're keeping things civil and I hope they realize that Goonfleet's underlying philosophy is not to take ANYTHING seriously. We're so riddled with ADD we have to be having fun at all times or we start shooting at conquerable stations for no reason.
Jargoon	Posted - 2006.07.03 09:09:00 - [89] Edited by: Jargoon on 03/07/2006 09:11:30 Edited by: Jargoon on 03/07/2006 09:09:55 Originally by: Hanns Choibman Originally by: Valator Uel I'd love to see the goons in interceptors. Imagine 2000 inties attacking... it's not a bee swarm anymore, it's a freaking wasp swarm We are not all at disposable interceptors yet, but we have evolved into cruisers now. Behold the Beesprey What can we do to get an Alliance Paint Job, CCP?? I'm sure we could raise up a few hundred bucks to pay a junior CCP coder and texture artist for a couple days to implement this...
Yual	Posted - 2006.07.03 09:22:00 - [90] Originally by: Floppy Disk and everyone suicides into an asteroid or something and Remedials wallet fills with insurance money. And here we have the REAL objective of Goonfleet..... Originally by: W.W. Smith "Consistancy is a hallmark of a small mind." What ever doesn't Kali me, makes stronger...
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.03 09:51:00 - [91] I love you guys
Dith Pran	Posted - 2006.07.03 09:58:00 - [92] Because our alliance rules forbid us from posting in the Corporation, Alliance and Organization Discussions forum, I am going to repost a quote from it here: Originally by: Bombcrater Anyone who's laughing at GoonFleet shouldn't be. Even if D2 & friends win this one, GF's unusual tactics have been validated in a very major way. Having spent my entire Eve career from day one in goonfleet, it is really all that I know. What makes our tactics so unusual, and what would more usual tactics be?
Uggster	Posted - 2006.07.03 09:59:00 - [93] Good Luck Goons. Your breaking a lot of molds and have a good time doing it.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.03 10:02:00 - [94] Originally by: Dith Pran Having spent my entire Eve career from day one in goonfleet, it is really all that I know. What makes our tactics so unusual, and what would more usual tactics be? bringing less ships, bringing more expensive ships, taking loss more seriously, planning ahead more, taking everything more seriously. In short, I'd guess "having less fun"
Trac3rt	Posted - 2006.07.03 10:07:00 - [95] A lot of posts here talk about our recent campaign, how we are doing, and what we are up to. I would like to take a moment to address the original topic of this thread, which is who we are and where we are going; from the perspective of a lowly bee. A lot of people say that we are the next BoB. This is completely untrue, Goonswarm are casual gamers who just want to have a bit of fun. We are not out to conquer the galaxy, we just want enough space so that we are not tripping all over each others toes all the time. Once we have secured Outer Ring and possibly Cloud Ring, we will have enough breathing room to last for a good long while, and that is probably where our territorial expansion will end. After that I am sure that there will be a whole host of smaller corps and alliances who think "LOL T1 Frigs" and try and invade our space. We will never be short of PvP within our borders, as a relatively new alliance, we are just trying to establish those borders. One of the mose awesome things about being in Goonswarm is that a lot of what Eve has to offer is new to us. Taking conquerable space is something have never done, we have never faced down a dread fleet before, and to stare down the barrel of 18 dreads and come out of the battle not only keeping our POS out of reinforced, but bagging four of them in the process is an amazing acheivement for us. This makes us really excited, and that excitement is massively infectious, I am flying alongside many many other bees who all feel the same way as I do, feeding off of each others entusiasm, which is just an amazing experiance in this game. I also love the fact that we are building an alliance from the ground up with almost entirely new players. When I joined Goonfeet over christmas we had 300-400 members, and I have see the corp move forwards at an amazing pace. We went from renting 4 crock belts to owning lower syndicate, pretty much owning Outer Ring, and sieging Cloud Ring. From one corp to two due to member limits, to an entire alliance. I do believe we have to slow down soon, we need to consolidate and take full advantage of what we have got. Finally, I have been palying for 7 months, and have 8 million SP. Many people within Goonswarm regard me as a high SP veteran. When we say the average number of SP is around 3-4 Million, we really are not joking. ___
grizouh	Posted - 2006.07.03 10:48:00 - [96] Originally by: SengH Originally by: Valator Uel I'd love to see the goons in interceptors. Imagine 2000 inties attacking... it's not a bee swarm anymore, it's a freaking wasp swarm I can arrange that with errh a click of 5 buttons. i am always looking for your name in local seng <g> maybe we should meet for a cup of tea somewhere in deepspace and have a nice discussion bout gangassist ^^ topic: it will be interesting to see if the goons can cope with their numbers when the average bee gets more sp, flys more valuable ships (and loose them from time to time) and start argueing bout goals of the alliance... btw i joined stv with not even 1mill sp and i am still there. also as we recrute a bunch of new players from time to time which are dedicated to pvp (eg experience from other mmorpgs). some of them leave later but the ones which stay are often more valuable for the corp than a new joined player with 25mil of sp. so i personally do not underestimate the power or dedication of goons.
insolace	Posted - 2006.07.03 10:56:00 - [97] Originally by: Jason Marshall Oh just wait for the day of the capitol smart bomb, and POS level smartbombs ......it will happen. And i cant wait to see 150 T1 frigs all blow up at the same time. nothing would make goonfleet happier than throwing away 150 t1 fitted frigs (500k isk x 150 = 75 million isk) and then launching another 150 t1 fitted frigs to tackle and destroy the ship with the capital smart bomb. That thing takes what, an hour to charge?
duckmonster	Posted - 2006.07.03 11:07:00 - [98] If theres one thing I'd love goonfleet to achieve, and its something one of the dev's also said aprovingly, is the idea that New players have a right to 0.0 too. I would love nothing more than D2, ASCN and BOB to start a bee corp and rescue alot of the players struggling in empire and let them experience this game for what it does best. I've seen others try this on. NBSI, our former nemesis in syndicate formed the NBSI academy which I beleive had a similar aim, and from memory it worked well for them. I'd implore BOB, ASCN and D2 to do the same. Incidently, one thing I'd love to see, although I havent really seen the directors of GF take a big interest in it, would be a casual T1 frig tournament between ourselves and BOB (or D2 I guess). It'd be a hoot for the "older" players (Its wierd for me to say that since Im old enough to be alot of you guys fathers probably) and a blast for the bees as well. One of these days.
DaarMaar	Posted - 2006.07.03 11:09:00 - [99] goo(n)fleet? what about them? they just haven't faced the real opponent yet, nothing more.. and that time will come.. soon
Trac3rt	Posted - 2006.07.03 11:16:00 - [100] Originally by: DaarMaar goo(n)fleet? what about them? they just haven't faced the real opponent yet, nothing more.. and that time will come.. soon If fighting the entire PvP force of D2/RAZOR/YouWhat isn't a real opponent, I don't know what is! We have seen over 20 dreads, and at least 6 carriers belonging to the hostiles in the area over the last week. I think the only thing D2 have not commit is a Mothership (although looking at the setup of the logistics carrier we popped the other day, it may well be cloaked in a deep safespot). ___
marian chu	Posted - 2006.07.03 11:30:00 - [101] just for some clarification you havent faced the entire pvp force of D2 not sure about RAZOR though.
duckmonster	Posted - 2006.07.03 11:30:00 - [102] Originally by: DaarMaar goo(n)fleet? what about them? they just haven't faced the real opponent yet, nothing more.. and that time will come.. soon With due respect DaarMaar, D2 are about as big an opponent as you get. We had something like a 6-7 alliance coalition try and remove us from syndicate at one point , and have pretty much earned our place in the sun. Also, post with your main please.
Zaratuul	Posted - 2006.07.03 11:55:00 - [103] problem with cheap 2000 men fleets is that they will probably never buy a titan. But they will surely meet one some day.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.03 11:57:00 - [104] Originally by: Zaratuul problem with cheap 2000 men fleets is that they will probably never buy a titan. But they will surely meet one some day. 2000 men mine a lot of veld. Given they have all the 0.0 ores at their disposal too, I think with a concerted effort, they could mine a titan in a day
Rumbaar	Posted - 2006.07.03 11:58:00 - [105] Never heard of the Goonfleek/swarm or whatever (I'm a newbie Empire carebear it seems) but this thread has been an interesting read for sure. The logistic to control dozens let alone 100's of people is amazing! Cudos. From what I can tell, you wouldn't be gate camper gankes either... Looking for custom banners? click above, Feedback section.
Athon Mar	Posted - 2006.07.03 12:02:00 - [106] Every goon will fly anything with wings and die willingly for the swarm, over and over and over again. We don't care about our kill/loss ratio, we jump in another ship and go out and fight some more. I will jump in that executioner and burn towards the opposing fleet at 1km/s as many times as requested of me in service of the swarm, because even if do get blown into space dust, one of my fellow bees will make it there. I will target that raven in my punisher and orbit at 7k, pulse lasers pew pewing away, because a hundred punishers don't cost what that raven with its expensive fittings cost. I have been playing for about three and a half weeks. I have less than a half million skill points. I was flying around 0.0 two days after my account was created, running missions in 0.0, dying in 0.0, mining in 0.0 and doing whatever is required by the swarm in 0.0. I have dozens of lossmails, all in service of the swarm or for stupid newbie mistakes. I have also made millions of isk as well, all without spending a moment longer in empire than I needed to. I have been atomized by rats, driven an industrial into a gatecamp, evicerated by interceptors, instapoped by sniping megathrons at 150km, and I've never had so much fun in an MMO.
Aloysius Knight	Posted - 2006.07.03 12:09:00 - [107] Originally by: Athon Mar Every goon will fly anything with wings and die willingly for the swarm, over and over and over again. We don't care about our kill/loss ratio, we jump in another ship and go out and fight some more. I will jump in that executioner and burn towards the opposing fleet at 1km/s as many times as requested of me in service of the swarm, because even if do get blown into space dust, one of my fellow bees will make it there. I will target that raven in my punisher and orbit at 7k, pulse lasers pew pewing away, because a hundred punishers don't cost what that raven with its expensive fittings cost. I have been playing for about three and a half weeks. I have less than a half million skill points. I was flying around 0.0 two days after my account was created, running missions in 0.0, dying in 0.0, mining in 0.0 and doing whatever is required by the swarm in 0.0. I have dozens of lossmails, all in service of the swarm or for stupid newbie mistakes. I have also made millions of isk as well, all without spending a moment longer in empire than I needed to. I have been atomized by rats, driven an industrial into a gatecamp, evicerated by interceptors, instapoped by sniping megathrons at 150km, and I've never had so much fun in an MMO. see now theres something to smile about, a noob with bugger all SP geting out there and grabing the vets by the short & curles cant wait to see how goonswam turns out AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH TEEEHHHH BEEEEZZZZZ
Finix Jaeger	Posted - 2006.07.03 12:12:00 - [108] This thread gets 3 thumbs up. Go Goons! _______________________________
duckmonster	Posted - 2006.07.03 12:15:00 - [109] Yeah. Got to reitterate the willingness to suicide for the group. Its possibly a uniquely goony 'disorder' but really its just about the fact that when push comes to shove, the group is really tight and we all give a damn about each other. I remember the peak of my madness came during the outer ring invasion and logistics hadnt quite established itself yet. Having blown up my scorp, I was stuck in station with a damn ibis. Frusturated I had nothing to fly I managed to squeeze a single ECM multispec into the midslot and lept back into the battle. Well I managed to jam a cruiser before learning that the stupid thing had only enough cap for one cycle, so the cruiser got a lock and instapopped me. Thing is, in the process my ECM jammer managed to get him to unlock from a gangmate who was in structure and saved him. I even managed to get my pod out intact. Madness? Sure. Successfull? You bet. Incidently, as funny as the ECM ibis is, it really does suck. Now D2's fighter drone shuttles? (get a carrier to assign 2 fighters to a shuttle for something that turn on the head of a coin and instalock anything)... That was cool macgyver tactics if I ever saw it.
CRUSH BOSS	Posted - 2006.07.03 12:42:00 - [110] Originally by: marian chu just for some clarification you havent faced the entire pvp force of D2 not sure about RAZOR though. And whos to say that you have faced the entire GoonFleet PVP Force... you think "The ONE" doesnt have reserves? we fight for the ONE, we die for ONE. we are GOON-Fleet
DaarMaar	Posted - 2006.07.03 12:47:00 - [111] Originally by: duckmonster Also, post with your main please. you couldn't handle my main.. .. besides, all that you've done so far is what the big boys have done a looong time ago. now what do you think where are those big boys now? oh, can't even see them?.. you just keep playing with that little hive of yours, but beware of the Big ol' Bear that will come for the honey.. when the time's right.
Scorpyn	Posted - 2006.07.03 12:49:00 - [112] Originally by: Zaratuul problem with cheap 2000 men fleets is that they will probably never buy a titan. But they will surely meet one some day. If I owned a titan, I would avoid hostile fleets of 2000 even if they were all in frigs.
Cefte	Posted - 2006.07.03 12:50:00 - [113] Edited by: Cefte on 03/07/2006 12:49:59 Originally by: DaarMaar come for the honey.. when the time's right.
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.07.03 12:55:00 - [114] Chest beating is bad okay... you guys suprised a couple of people. But don't think you're there yet. Important thing is that you're having fun, and provide inspiration to others to realise what a dedicated team can do, even if they average 3mil SP.
Hanns Choibman	Posted - 2006.07.03 12:56:00 - [115] Edited by: Hanns Choibman on 03/07/2006 13:04:43 ... ----------------------------------------------
Zezman	Posted - 2006.07.03 14:41:00 - [116] Originally by: Samirol the real question is, will the goons be the new bob? Does that mean they're the new Boobs?
Alice Dark	Posted - 2006.07.03 14:51:00 - [117] Originally by: Novarei so the point in this post is.......... that retarded people like you are morons
Riddari	Posted - 2006.07.03 14:56:00 - [118] The interesting bit is how Goons will take to their solidifying process (as one of them mentioned). Its easy to be in love with the game when you are constantly trying new things, flying with comrades and setting new limits and breaking them. The hard part comes when you decide if you want to become a powerhouse or a wandering hoard with fluctuating member activity once the excitement vanes off in the next few months. In a years time it will be interesting to see if Goons have usurped one of the big three or if they have made it into "the big four". Or if they simply have left Cloud Ring and are somewhere being an utter nuisance against another alliance and moving on, like locusts. ¼+¼ a history
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.03 15:13:00 - [119] Originally by: Scorpyn Originally by: Zaratuul problem with cheap 2000 men fleets is that they will probably never buy a titan. But they will surely meet one some day. If I owned a titan, I would avoid hostile fleets of 2000 even if they were all in frigs. correct, if they were well co-ordinated, and lag wasn't hitting them any harder than you, they could pop the titan before the superweapon cycle finished
Locke DieDrake	Posted - 2006.07.03 15:37:00 - [120] Originally by: Atara Thalia Edited by: Atara Thalia on 03/07/2006 00:24:00 Edited by: Atara Thalia on 03/07/2006 00:19:22 I would love to correct all the people that say we have no skills and no tactics, that we can only win by numbers. But I'm not, because I love it even more when people underestimate us. In XZH our numbers have definatly helped, but ever time we have taken out a dread or repelled the people attacking our POS we have been outnumbered and outgunned. And many of the respectable members of D2 will agree that if nothing else we are bound and determined. On friday a smaller fleet repelled a 10 dread + support fleet assault on one of our POSes for SIX HOURS. In the end almost all of our fleet was wiped out, D2 lost 4 dreads, and our POS shields went below 27% but still managed to stay out of reinforced. Anyone on either side know how intense this fight was. Someone in this thread said that 50 t2 ships with skilled pilots would mop the floor against 150 of us. Alot of people that have tried those odds would probably disagree. And even if it were true and our entire 150 man fleet was wiped out, within 30-60 minutes we would be right back there ready to die for the swarm again. Oh yeah, and since we arent allowed to post in the alliance forum I want to take this time to thank many of D2 for the absolutly epic battles that have fought throughout the week. My account is barely 4 months old but I'm sure I'm taking part in things that some people with 2 yrs under there belt haven't had the opportunity to see. Both D2 and Goonfleet have pulled out all stops and have shown that neither is going to let this system just slip away. I wish everyone could see just how absolutly brutal some of these fights are with both sides absolutly refusing to die (well... refusing to stay dead). In my opinion the experience gained from this campain is worth more than XZH and its surrounding systems. I salute everyone that has taken part. P.S. All Alts, Crybabies, Drama *****s, and Threadnaughts need to go away and let the rest of us have our fun. I don't know about the rest of goons, but this guy knows what eve is all about. Congrats on the battles. And more importantly, the experiance. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
NereSky	Posted - 2006.07.03 16:02:00 - [121] Well ive had no direct experience of fighting a 1000 goons in t1 frigs , all i know is what ive read on the forums, but; This reminds me of the Zulu's against the British Army in Africa , the British with thier over confidence in thier superior firepower and the Zulus with thier spears and Grass shields with massive no's. As a neutral in respect to goons all i can say is u have found a niche' in Eve and i wish u all the best tbh a lot of the major powers will have to re-write the 'Book of Tactics' just to take u guys into account. A word of warning though dont get too over confident, as u have found a ***** in the armour of the beast , the beast will adapt and eventually overcome. Maybe get a bigger fly swat or something :)
Tasuric Orka	Posted - 2006.07.03 16:42:00 - [122] I was expecting alot of hate in this thread, but im glad it turned out different. Now i only wish i joined my alliance earlier, so i could have taken part in this battle.. Now my question is, have any of you bothered to take any fraps?
Zezman	Posted - 2006.07.03 17:06:00 - [123] I like to use the analogy of a colony of army ants rather than a swarm of killer bees to relate to the goonfleet philosophy. Their home base (nest) is overpopulated, and their foodsupply is over taxed, so the army moves onward to new pastures You can kill wave after wave of ants but they still keep coming back for more Ants are weak by themselves, but in numbers they can take down farm animals and humans. They are both industrious and destructive, and given time they can cross any river They send out numerous scouts, many of whom die in the process, but the successful scouts lead the main force forward to safety. Their leader is a queen
Berious	Posted - 2006.07.03 17:11:00 - [124] Thanks for the kind words everyone. I can say without hesitation that Goonfleet is the best online group I've ever been involved with. The camaraderie and unity of purpose is truly amazing given a corp of this size. I'd also like to give a shout out to D2 and friends, you guys really know how to bring on some epic battles that have easily topped any experience in my EVE career so far.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.03 17:11:00 - [125] Originally by: NereSky Well ive had no direct experience of fighting a 1000 goons in t1 frigs , all i know is what ive read on the forums, but; This reminds me of the Zulu's against the British Army in Africa , the British with thier over confidence in thier superior firepower and the Zulus with thier spears and Grass shields with massive no's. As a neutral in respect to goons all i can say is u have found a niche' in Eve and i wish u all the best tbh a lot of the major powers will have to re-write the 'Book of Tactics' just to take u guys into account. A word of warning though dont get too over confident, as u have found a ***** in the armour of the beast , the beast will adapt and eventually overcome. Maybe get a bigger fly swat or something :) There is a major difference. Zulus didn't have clones.
Desiderata Fabian	Posted - 2006.07.03 17:14:00 - [126] Originally by: Zezman I like to use the analogy of a colony of army ants rather than a swarm of killer bees to relate to the goonfleet philosophy. Their home base (nest) is overpopulated, and their foodsupply is over taxed, so the army moves onward to new pastures You can kill wave after wave of ants but they still keep coming back for more Ants are weak by themselves, but in numbers they can take down farm animals and humans. They are both industrious and destructive, and given time they can cross any river They send out numerous scouts, many of whom die in the process, but the successful scouts lead the main force forward to safety. Their leader is a queen You ever seen the video for Links 234 by Rammstein sums it up nicely.
NereSky	Posted - 2006.07.03 18:01:00 - [127] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: NereSky Well ive had no direct experience of fighting a 1000 goons in t1 frigs , all i know is what ive read on the forums, but; This reminds me of the Zulu's against the British Army in Africa , the British with thier over confidence in thier superior firepower and the Zulus with thier spears and Grass shields with massive no's. As a neutral in respect to goons all i can say is u have found a niche' in Eve and i wish u all the best tbh a lot of the major powers will have to re-write the 'Book of Tactics' just to take u guys into account. A word of warning though dont get too over confident, as u have found a ***** in the armour of the beast , the beast will adapt and eventually overcome. Maybe get a bigger fly swat or something :) There is a major difference. Zulus didn't have clones. That irrevelant , nor did the Brits , tbh u failed to see my point , The goons rightly or wrongly using game mechanics which are atm allowed by CCP have found a way to become a power through sheer no's . I can only imagine how frustrating they are , but i have to give them credit for thier ingenuity and tenacity. Hate or love em they have become a part of Eve , if they didnt use the tactics they are using someone else would have.
13th	Posted - 2006.07.03 18:08:00 - [128] Originally by: NereSky The goons rightly or wrongly using game mechanics which are atm allowed by CCP have found a way to become a power through sheer no's . I can only imagine how frustrating they are , but i have to give them credit for thier ingenuity and tenacity. Hate or love em they have become a part of Eve , if they didnt use the tactics they are using someone else would have. I'm sorry, but what the heck do you mean to imply by the statement that I bolded? By stating 'at the moment allowed by CCP' it implies that you think they are using tactics that shouldn't be allowed - so please tell us what is wrong with having solid numbers of players who are not afraid to lose their ships? If that tactic is not the one you disprove of, please elaborate on what you think they are doing that is questionable.
NereSky	Posted - 2006.07.03 18:15:00 - [129] Originally by: 13th Originally by: NereSky The goons rightly or wrongly using game mechanics which are atm allowed by CCP have found a way to become a power through sheer no's . I can only imagine how frustrating they are , but i have to give them credit for thier ingenuity and tenacity. Hate or love em they have become a part of Eve , if they didnt use the tactics they are using someone else would have. I'm sorry, but what the heck do you mean to imply by the statement that I bolded? By stating 'at the moment allowed by CCP' it implies that you think they are using tactics that shouldn't be allowed - so please tell us what is wrong with having solid numbers of players who are not afraid to lose their ships? If that tactic is not the one you disprove of, please elaborate on what you think they are doing that is questionable. The implication is not meant to imply anything , atm means at this moment in time . There has been numerous accassions when enough people have complained over game mechanics and they have been changed, All im saying is what ever tactics they do or dont do could well be met by a change of game mechanics to prevent what ever tavtics they do or dont do. I am in no way trying to flame anyone so please dont make the attempt of seeing flames when they arn't any.
raVn666	Posted - 2006.07.03 18:23:00 - [130] 1-2-3-4...25-26 dont mind me ..im just here to try to count how many goon's been writing in this tread Exotic dancer forum
Traellium	Posted - 2006.07.03 21:09:00 - [131] Originally by: Mister Spanky I'm really pleased our antics have brought new players into the game and I hope Traellium's wife enjoys it as much as we do. Just a reminder to anyone else reading this thread though - Goonfleet are recruited exclusively from the SomethingAwful forums and if you aren't a member there you cannot join us. You can however join our sister Corporation, the Duragon Pioneer Group. They live in the same space as us and are extremely cool people. Oh super! We are long time members of SomethingAwful, we joined on July 3, back in 06. I think it was 1906, but I don't recall for sure. It was a very long time ago anyway, but we have been assimilated, have few minds (or memories) of our own, and don't pee on the couch (more than the dogs).
Johanen	Posted - 2006.07.03 21:37:00 - [132] Originally by: NereSky The implication is not meant to imply anything , atm means at this moment in time . There has been numerous accassions when enough people have complained over game mechanics and they have been changed, All im saying is what ever tactics they do or dont do could well be met by a change of game mechanics to prevent what ever tavtics they do or dont do. I am in no way trying to flame anyone so please dont make the attempt of seeing flames when they arn't any. I doubt CCP will change the game drastically to the point where close range ships lose against long range ships in a close range fight. It seems to be a fundamental balance point in this game, otherwise it'll degenerate into who can mash thier "I win" buttons fastest. As it stands now, through my experience in the fights up in the north with the high SP fleets, were a lot like the lines of musketeers in the late 19th century. Everyone lines up, picks a target, and starts shooting. Each side takes it's licks and retreats. Repeat until one side dies and goes home. We're more like urban fighters, poping out of the woodwork with a supprise suicide attack headlong into enemeny territory. Oh yes, and in a lot of the big fights, we were nearly even with the opposing forces numerically, and our last 4 dread kills were against a foe that was arguably superior in every way to use, greater numbers, more SP, better fittings. But what do I know, we obviously all fly T1 frigates.
hangnoose	Posted - 2006.07.03 21:45:00 - [133] Goodluck to both D2 and the goons on taking the station and holding it. This has been a good read over whats going on there the past week+. P.s I'm secretly rooting for you goons but don't tell D2
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.03 21:46:00 - [134] I actually have lots of respect for goonfleet. Yes, theyre little swarmers and 99% noobs, but theyre actually using an incredibly effective tactic that noone has thought of in 3 years. Well done remedial! --------------------------- I wanna be dev-jacked
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.03 22:00:00 - [135] Originally by: Dead Minmatar Originally by: Samirol the real question is, will the goons be the new bob? No. Yes --------------------------- I wanna be dev-jacked
Dead Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.03 22:00:00 - [136] Originally by: Samirol the real question is, will the goons be the new bob? No.
Dead Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.03 22:35:00 - [137] Originally by: lofty29[/quote Wow.
The Speaker	Posted - 2006.07.04 02:58:00 - [138] Originally by: DaarMaar Originally by: duckmonster Also, post with your main please. you couldn't handle my main.. .. besides, all that you've done so far is what the big boys have done a looong time ago. now what do you think where are those big boys now? oh, can't even see them?.. you just keep playing with that little hive of yours, but beware of the Big ol' Bear that will come for the honey.. when the time's right. Swaffer, is that you?
Antaris Xenal	Posted - 2006.07.04 12:20:00 - [139] Originally by: Berrik Radhok Edited by: Berrik Radhok on 03/07/2006 01:30:32 Originally by: Sensi Milla Originally by: Righteous Fury I find it funny that people still bring up the cost of t1 disposable fleets vs expensive t2 fleets tha get the job done. Every single time, t2 will beat the utter crap out of t1. Goonswarm can wave around their massive numbers of worthless ships, but exactly where has it gotten them so far? Syndicate? Congratulations, anyone can live out of an NPC station. I'll be more impressed when they do something worth talking about. Well ATM they've taken Sov over XZH ... beaten 9 D2 dreads and a carrier, constant fighting over a week, lets see how it turns out in the end. Seems pretty impressive to me though. Two carriers, we blew up another last night that decided to stick it's nose outside the POS shield and forgot citadel torps follow you into the shield (pwned by dreads). Also, to Mr. "I'm not impressed", if standing up to the third largest power in EVE doesn't impress you, I'm not sure what will. Perhaps you want us to fly to Delve and tweak SirMolle's beard? *disclaimer: I have no information on SirMolle's facial hair or lack thereof I Have also realized that these dreads were provided by SMASH NOT GOONSWARM! Let us get this straight, without smash's dreads...... goonswarm would've never acomplished taking sovereignty imho
Splagada	Posted - 2006.07.04 12:24:00 - [140] for a player who started eve in last march, i have the utmost admiration for goonfleet and what they do and the PR is perfect too :D - evemail me if you need a free forum for your corp
Ceilidh	Posted - 2006.07.04 12:33:00 - [141] Originally by: Antaris Xenal I Have also realized that these dreads were provided by SMASH NOT GOONSWARM! Let us get this straight, without smash's dreads...... goonswarm would've never acomplished taking sovereignty imho Probably not as quickly or soon as they did, but the reality of it, is that it was only a matter of time. Like, I am sure the Goons could buy a bunch of dreads if they wanted... but I'm guessing they simply don't have many people that could actully fly them yet. It does take quite a few SP to fly a capital ship, let alone fly one effectively. It's not like other alliances haven't had hired guns before ------------------- -Ceilidh (KAY-lee)
Lepuke	Posted - 2006.07.04 12:46:00 - [142] greater numbers are meaningless without good leadership and tactics, look at the killboard for ascn&axe vs rat&friends last last sat.
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.07.04 12:47:00 - [143] hey goonswarm are taking zerg to the next level congrats must go out - that said ASCN are still bigger and badder and BOB well they just have everything uber OSS arent being tested to much yet
Evil Thug	Posted - 2006.07.04 13:24:00 - [144] Originally by: Ab Initio The most impressive part of there campaign so far hasn't been the fighting, it's been the logistics imho. Checking the D2 killboards shows 1100 or so Goon losses, the fact that there logistics has been able to keep up with that is what catches my attention. Ofc its hard to travel 8 jumps from Orvolle to Oursulaert and buy new shiny battleship. Back ontopic. Sheer numbers = nothing, in my opinion. Good leadership and common goals - worth much more. Good luck, Goonies, you`ll need it ----------------------------------------------- Logged in a system, next to you =)
Shimpu	Posted - 2006.07.04 13:40:00 - [145] I love the general concept of the Goonfleet to bring 'noobs' into 0.0 and PvP as I understand it. The major issue I have with the goons is their sheer numbers causing lag and lag and even more lag. It's just not funny anymore if you can't activate modules or be able to deactivate your mwd flying in the wrong direction for 3 minutes. The gooncommanders knowing the impact of their goons on a server node are using this effectively as a weapon. It's their main weapon and the reason they win fights at all. That can't be good. I also have the feeling that the goons are instructed/supported/influenced from some unknown entity. No idea if it's a single big spender or a alliance, but... Goons have lost 26 billion isk (1141 ships) since the 26 th of June when we started the XZH campaign. They are very dedicated and have impressive logistics... but still, where's that money coming from? Goonfleet is a wonderful idea but somehow has grown into a monster with the current server performance. I'll be a happy toon again when goon finally pulls out off xzh and I can fight other enemies again. Originally by: Seleene This is what happens when you eat the red M&M's
Rashmika Clavain	Posted - 2006.07.04 14:30:00 - [146] Originally by: NereSky ...blah... This reminds me of the Zulu's against the British Army in Africa , the British with thier over confidence in thier superior firepower and the Zulus with thier spears and Grass shields with massive no's. hmmm and then the British deployed the Maxim Machine gun...
KIATolon	Posted - 2006.07.04 14:31:00 - [147] Originally by: Shimpu I also have the feeling that the goons are instructed/supported/influenced from some unknown entity. No idea if it's a single big spender or a alliance, but... Goons have lost 26 billion isk (1141 ships) since the 26 th of June when we started the XZH campaign. They are very dedicated and have impressive logistics... but still, where's that money coming from? lol, tinfoil hat?
Panzer Klien	Posted - 2006.07.04 14:32:00 - [148] Originally by: Shimpu The gooncommanders knowing the impact of their goons on a server node are using this effectively as a weapon. It's their main weapon and the reason they win fights at all. That can't be good. Yeah it has nothing at all to do with them blowing 4/18 of you dreads or their cloud of shield ospreys
Annian	Posted - 2006.07.04 14:39:00 - [149] Originally by: Panzer Klien Originally by: Shimpu The gooncommanders knowing the impact of their goons on a server node are using this effectively as a weapon. It's their main weapon and the reason they win fights at all. That can't be good. Yeah it has nothing at all to do with them blowing 4/18 of you dreads or their cloud of shield ospreys 9/18 actually. And a carrier, but the goonies lost one of those as well.
KIATolon	Posted - 2006.07.04 14:41:00 - [150] I heard GS lost 20 mils worth of trit when they ejected it into space when the devs in the swarm told them that it acts like a mirror. d2 subsequently spent 3 hours smacking reflections of themselves for bringing 3 times their numbers.
Semkhet	Posted - 2006.07.04 14:44:00 - [151] Originally by: Shimpu I love the general concept of the Goonfleet to bring 'noobs' into 0.0 and PvP as I understand it. The major issue I have with the goons is their sheer numbers causing lag and lag and even more lag. It's just not funny anymore if you can't activate modules or be able to deactivate your mwd flying in the wrong direction for 3 minutes. The gooncommanders knowing the impact of their goons on a server node are using this effectively as a weapon. It's their main weapon and the reason they win fights at all. That can't be good. I also have the feeling that the goons are instructed/supported/influenced from some unknown entity. No idea if it's a single big spender or a alliance, but... Goons have lost 26 billion isk (1141 ships) since the 26 th of June when we started the XZH campaign. They are very dedicated and have impressive logistics... but still, where's that money coming from? Goonfleet is a wonderful idea but somehow has grown into a monster with the current server performance. I'll be a happy toon again when goon finally pulls out off xzh and I can fight other enemies again. I would respect Goon's tactic if the server could handle the load they throw at it. But since the Goons are the first ones to know that before they do anything in a system they have already lagged it to death, it's a pure and simple exploit IMO. That CCP atm allows it because they don't know how to handle such problem is not a justification. Maybe we should collect funds to pay a few hundred players from third world countries hooked on the internet with 56 Kbps modems and ask them to join the Goons. Their blobs would lag from the beginning.
KIATolon	Posted - 2006.07.04 14:49:00 - [152] d2 often outnumber GF
Shimpu	Posted - 2006.07.04 14:51:00 - [153] Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: Shimpu I also have the feeling that the goons are instructed/supported/influenced from some unknown entity. No idea if it's a single big spender or a alliance, but... Goons have lost 26 billion isk (1141 ships) since the 26 th of June when we started the XZH campaign. They are very dedicated and have impressive logistics... but still, where's that money coming from? lol, tinfoil hat? Oooops. Posting assumptions is only allowed from anonymous alts then? Because some of us are to cool for school? 2005 called. They want their joke back. btw: Are you that guy who's nick is 'eBayTolon'? Originally by: Seleene This is what happens when you eat the red M&M's
Bitter Vet	Posted - 2006.07.04 14:56:00 - [154] hey shimpu your comments about goons somehow exploiting lag would make a lot more sense if D2 didn't outnumber goons every single engagement in which they've lost a dread
KIATolon	Posted - 2006.07.04 14:58:00 - [155] Originally by: Shimpu Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: Shimpu I also have the feeling that the goons are instructed/supported/influenced from some unknown entity. No idea if it's a single big spender or a alliance, but... Goons have lost 26 billion isk (1141 ships) since the 26 th of June when we started the XZH campaign. They are very dedicated and have impressive logistics... but still, where's that money coming from? lol, tinfoil hat? Oooops. Posting assumptions is only allowed from anonymous alts then? Because some of us are to cool for school? 2005 called. They want their joke back. btw: Are you that guy who's nick is 'eBayTolon'? No. It's kiaebay. And it's roots are as well grounded as your tinfoil covered accusations.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.07.04 15:04:00 - [156] 26 billion isk (1141 ships) = about 23m per ship. As they will generally be flying around in fully insurable T1 crap, they are only losing 1/3 of it, which is on average 6.9m per person. Now, you tell me how easy it is to make 6.9m in 0.0 - 2 triple-BS belts will sort you out. Of course there is also T1 equipment, but from what I've heard about GF they have good logistics and provide the basic crap for free. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust - Suvetar, care to confirm these rumours about you being an unstoppable sex machine? LOL -Suvetar
Bitter Vet	Posted - 2006.07.04 15:11:00 - [157] how much does d2s killboard report that they've lost since they've lost 9 capital ships in the last week
Antaris Xenal	Posted - 2006.07.04 15:13:00 - [158] Originally by: Shimpu Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: Shimpu I also have the feeling that the goons are instructed/supported/influenced from some unknown entity. No idea if it's a single big spender or a alliance, but... Goons have lost 26 billion isk (1141 ships) since the 26 th of June when we started the XZH campaign. They are very dedicated and have impressive logistics... but still, where's that money coming from? lol, tinfoil hat? Oooops. Posting assumptions is only allowed from anonymous alts then? Because some of us are to cool for school? 2005 called. They want their joke back. btw: Are you that guy who's nick is 'eBayTolon'? I'm with you guys shimpu, I hope the goons get there asses handed to them, I think soon the goons will be backing out of xz. I have flown with a few D2 guys and they were cool and didnt kill me in 0.0. Goonfleet on the other hand attacks me any chance they get, to bad I always kill them on said occasion
Shimpu	Posted - 2006.07.04 15:15:00 - [159] Originally by: Bitter Vet hey shimpu your comments about goons somehow exploiting lag would make a lot more sense if D2 didn't outnumber goons every single engagement in which they've lost a dread I'm sorry if my posting looked like I'm attempting to wash our hands in innocence. Of course we bring our fleet into the battleground, too. The difference is that we don't have to rely on lag to win a engagement. I wasn't there when the dreads went 'poof', but from what I heard they weren't able to activate their modules. It's a great victory to down so much dreads (9!) anyway. It would most likely have not happened though without the extreme lag I experienced every day at xzh. Originally by: Seleene This is what happens when you eat the red M&M's
Bitter Vet	Posted - 2006.07.04 15:20:00 - [160] if by adapted you mean "we don't deploy dreads anymore and we've stopped trying to blow up goonfleet's POSs", then I agree. also who has sovereignty over xzh again
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.04 15:22:00 - [161] Bitter vet: you aren't helping anything Shimpu: the goons win by sheer weight of numbers. Lag hits them just as hard as you (arguably harder, given that small ships need more active control). The only things that don't lag are the POSes.
Bitter Vet	Posted - 2006.07.04 15:25:00 - [162] sorry it just bothers me when d2 come in and post about how they dont care about the system, then lose 9 dreads defending it and put up 6 pos, then gf puts up 10 pos and d2 say 'oh goons are leaving soon' which is just silly. let them have their system and bow out gracefully instead of taking it to the forums and pretending like your winning some great victory by losing sovereignty permanently.
PirateShampoo	Posted - 2006.07.04 16:14:00 - [163] I for 1 wish the Goonies luck, its good to c a new allaince giving these so called uber pvp allainces a kicking. And no allaince in the game is made up of 100% uber pvpers, its not hard to look uber when u have 150 of ur mates behind u and 1 guy calling primary. Hopefully Goonfleet will burst a few egos on there way of galaxy domination
DarkCEO	Posted - 2006.07.04 16:18:00 - [164] Well im purley an empire dweller but reading this makes me want to join a PvP corp and have some fun!! go goons
zerobubble	Posted - 2006.07.04 16:24:00 - [165] I hate to have to post here, but as far as the lag goes, when battle began all the goons spammed local with "fofofofo" simultaniously - this ended after a warning from a GM. But their cargo holds also had bms in them. All of the T1 frigs in the POS also deployed drones within the sheild... they were not trying to attack or defend with them, just trying to create lag. All of these tactics were used to induce lag. With out these tactics there would be respect. Using numbers to fight is a valad tactic, using lag is not. If there was no lag I believe this conflict would already be over (just my opinion). when the lag is manageble, the battles are great. As far as numbers go: The fleets build, usually us first, followed by the goons and are ALWAYS in the goons favor before any fleet combat happens. Again, without the lag, these would be the best battles in my 3 years in eve.
Co'balt	Posted - 2006.07.04 16:31:00 - [166] Originally by: zerobubble All of the T1 frigs in the POS also deployed drones within the sheild...
Tachy	Posted - 2006.07.04 16:41:00 - [167] Originally by: Co'balt Originally by: zerobubble All of the T1 frigs in the POS also deployed drones within the sheild... Don't laugh. The vigil has a drone bay with a volume of 5m¦! --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Bippa	Posted - 2006.07.04 16:50:00 - [168] Edited by: Bippa on 04/07/2006 16:51:17 Originally by: zerobubble I hate to have to post here, but as far as the lag goes, when battle began all the goons spammed local with "fofofofo" simultaniously - this ended after a warning from a GM. But their cargo holds also had bms in them. All of the T1 frigs in the POS also deployed drones within the sheild... they were not trying to attack or defend with them, just trying to create lag. All of these tactics were used to induce lag. Oh here we go again. This is same lies (yes it is lies) that got the other thread locked. So stop posting lies. Imagine in 200 on 200 battles, there are cans after a fight! How can that be? And anyone who has faced the goons know they only fofo after a major battle that they win. They don't do it randomly friend.
Lesbos	Posted - 2006.07.04 17:41:00 - [169] Originally by: Bippa Edited by: Bippa on 04/07/2006 16:51:17 Originally by: zerobubble I hate to have to post here, but as far as the lag goes, when battle began all the goons spammed local with "fofofofo" simultaniously - this ended after a warning from a GM. But their cargo holds also had bms in them. All of the T1 frigs in the POS also deployed drones within the sheild... they were not trying to attack or defend with them, just trying to create lag. All of these tactics were used to induce lag. Oh here we go again. This is same lies (yes it is lies) that got the other thread locked. So stop posting lies. Imagine in 200 on 200 battles, there are cans after a fight! How can that be? And anyone who has faced the goons know they only fofo after a major battle that they win. They don't do it randomly friend. Yes, it's all lies! Lies!!! ...erm, wait Dronesploit! Cansploit! Bookmarksploit!
Ishen Villone	Posted - 2006.07.04 17:43:00 - [170] Notice that 90% of the inane flames (on both sides) come from alts. Just ignore them. Goonswarm is having a great time fighting D2 and friends and I'm sure our opponents feel the same.
Ishen Villone	Posted - 2006.07.04 17:43:00 - [171] Notice that 90% of the inane flames (on both sides) come from alts. Just ignore them. Goonswarm is having a great time fighting D2 and friends and I'm sure our opponents feel the same.
Trayk	Posted - 2006.07.04 17:53:00 - [172] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Chip2k3 Goonswarm are that...a swarm. They fight by numbers, and i bet 50 BoB or MC or other decent PvPers could take a 150man goonswarm fleet to pieces, just by tactics and better setups. You're probably right. But the 150 strong Goonswarm fleet is worth less than the half-dozen uber-fitted ships they manage to take down - and all of their ships, at least, can be fully insured. Your HACs, inties, and whatnot can't. How much harm are you doing them, exactly? Much though we hate RL analogies: think of the Soviet army in WWII. Stalin himself said it best: "Quantity has a quality all of its own." But when it comes down to it for morale losing 30 TI frigs in my opinion is worse than losing 1 HAC. The whole thing is economics. 30 T1Frigs @1mil per VS HAC @ 150-200 Mil...who lost? The Dead Parrot Shoppe: always hiring the intelligent/mature, ubernoob or vet. Experience we can give you; brains, we can't.
Pseudothei	Posted - 2006.07.04 18:21:00 - [173] Edited by: Pseudothei on 04/07/2006 18:21:50 Edited by: Pseudothei on 04/07/2006 18:21:30 GoonFleet exclusively fly Velators. http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/66/asfasfasfasfasf3bx7hx.jpg (That Ferox melted in seconds) Anyways, thus far I've wasted four ships on convoying and just trying to get in to XZH. D2 runs a mean gate camp for us Goons playing on eurotime. Good fights, everyone.
Mulletstation	Posted - 2006.07.04 18:33:00 - [174] I think what's most remarkable about this is that a majority of goonfleet is at least partially mentally handicapped. That we can band together and amazing is fight
Emeline Cabernet	Posted - 2006.07.04 18:33:00 - [175] Originally by: ***s Originally by:** Bippa Edited by: Bippa on 04/07/2006 16:51:17 Originally by: zerobubble I hate to have to post here, but as far as the lag goes, when battle began all the goons spammed local with "fofofofo" simultaniously - this ended after a warning from a GM. But their cargo holds also had bms in them. All of the T1 frigs in the POS also deployed drones within the sheild... they were not trying to attack or defend with them, just trying to create lag. All of these tactics were used to induce lag. Oh here we go again. This is same lies (yes it is lies) that got the other thread locked. So stop posting lies. Imagine in 200 on 200 battles, there are cans after a fight! How can that be? And anyone who has faced the goons know they only fofo after a major battle that they win. They don't do it randomly friend. Yes, it's all lies! Lies!!! ...erm, wait Dronesploit! Cansploit! Bookmarksploit! erm what?? i see d2 drones there too goons died around a gate? goons putting up cans to avoid coverts? what proof is this?
Andrea Jaruwalski	Posted - 2006.07.04 18:48:00 - [176] Originally by: Emeline Cabernet Originally by: ***s Originally by:** Bippa Edited by: Bippa on 04/07/2006 16:51:17 Originally by: zerobubble I hate to have to post here, but as far as the lag goes, when battle began all the goons spammed local with "fofofofo" simultaniously - this ended after a warning from a GM. But their cargo holds also had bms in them. All of the T1 frigs in the POS also deployed drones within the sheild... they were not trying to attack or defend with them, just trying to create lag. All of these tactics were used to induce lag. Oh here we go again. This is same lies (yes it is lies) that got the other thread locked. So stop posting lies. Imagine in 200 on 200 battles, there are cans after a fight! How can that be? And anyone who has faced the goons know they only fofo after a major battle that they win. They don't do it randomly friend. Yes, it's all lies! Lies!!! ...erm, wait Dronesploit! Cansploit! Bookmarksploit! erm what?? i see d2 drones there too goons died around a gate? goons putting up cans to avoid coverts? what proof is this? Can't believe there are people in this game that are actually this blind.
arkarsk	Posted - 2006.07.04 19:51:00 - [177] Edited by: arkarsk on 04/07/2006 19:52:10 Originally by: ***s Dronesploit! Happened once, we deployed them right after we finished warping incase your dreads were next to the shield again, in which case we would rush them. They were put back in bay a few minutes after they were released, and stayed so for hours between engagements. Show me a screenshot of this happening any other day. Originally by: *s Cansploit! Goons having a gatecamp in the middle of the picture. Cans in a circular formation around the gate. Why? Well, blame your snipers for forcing us to resort to tactics like that. We have no other truly effective counter. Originally by: *s Bookmarksploit! As i'm sure you know, logistics are an important part of any invasion. Insta's need to be distributed to all members participating in the invasion. You have found two kill mails with bookmarks. We have lost over 1000 ships. This is not a valid point. I'd honestly rather you ignore my post, as i dont wish to post in this thread any further and continue this senseless argument. Have a nice day! PS. I am not a director and thus all of my statements are personal opinions from my own personal perspective. My post is not to represent GoonSwarm in any official stature.**
Corbis Thalamar	Posted - 2006.07.04 20:18:00 - [178] Can we move past the idea that Goonfleet may or may not be using lag as an exploit? Personally I don't see evidence either way, but won't discount it either. Instead, what I find far more interesting to read about is how Goonfleet is effecting the game and using t1 frigates as a viable fighting strategy. I'd love to read more posts on this! 0.0 space being open for noobs strikes me as a far more interesting thing than whether cans did or did not get deployed into space on purpose.
zerobubble	Posted - 2006.07.04 20:54:00 - [179] My only reason for mentioning the lag stuff is the lag is the only reason dreads have died, and that to this point they have had the success they have againsts our fleets. If they do this without the lag tactics, then they become a very respected foe. Either way, this campaign so far has been great fun, and I must thank the goons for at least that.
Cefte	Posted - 2006.07.04 20:58:00 - [180] Come on kids, this was a good thread to start with. T1 frigates don't have dronebays (OK, yes, the Vigil has a dronebay. And our logistics guys don't produce vigils). I can appreciate the min-max game, having a gang of ten perfect players who can take on twice their number. That doesn't mean that having a larger gang is breaking the rules. We've been outnumbered in every defensive siege of a POS so far, though the POS guns do make defending easier, so to be called out for blobbing, and worse still to have our gang size called an exploit is just plain silly. There were gangs twice as large as this in the siege of EC (as some people should know damn well), and the server was fine. GoonSwarm reps have requested repeatedly for more resources for Prelle, seemingly to no avail. All we can do is jump in, guns blazing, and hope for the best.
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.07.04 21:07:00 - [181] sour grapes - stress showing on d2 constant war can have its stressful effects on peeps - that said goonfleet do leave behind a lot of cans (have seen it in stacmon) that said go the goons all these threads will simply attract more recruits
steveid	Posted - 2006.07.04 21:09:00 - [182] What worries me is not the members they have or the skills within them, its the speed at which they have got there, and the cohesiveness of it. Its a lot more idfficult for a corp of 1000 players to fractionalise than it is 4 corps of 250 members; and whats to stop the recruitment drives? This time next year we could be looking at a 4000 man alliance. Kill it while we can.
Antaris Xenal	Posted - 2006.07.04 21:38:00 - [183] Originally by: steveid What worries me is not the members they have or the skills within them, its the speed at which they have got there, and the cohesiveness of it. Its a lot more idfficult for a corp of 1000 players to fractionalise than it is 4 corps of 250 members; and whats to stop the recruitment drives? This time next year we could be looking at a 4000 man alliance. Kill it while we can. And then someday goonswarm will be like the Empire from star wars and all the other alliances will just be these small little things huddled in a small corner of 0.0 trying to survive while goonswarm owns all in eve online. I can hear the winds of change coming!
Bluestealth	Posted - 2006.07.04 21:38:00 - [184] Originally by: Berrik Radhok Originally by: Jason Marshall Oh just wait for the day of the capitol smart bomb, and POS level smartbombs ......it will happen. And i cant wait to see 150 T1 frigs all blow up at the same time. It's called the Titan, and the problem with setting it off at the POS is that it will blow up all the things you have anchored there Unfortunatly you are wrong there, and the devs have already said it IS NOT A SUPER SMART BOMB... it will not destroy the POS structures. I will try and find the post or conversation.
Naginataii	Posted - 2006.07.04 21:47:00 - [185] GoonSwarm was a indirect boost to the stealthbomber. Me and a friend picked about 3-4 off a 50 man goodswarm as it passed though our system to parts unknown. But yeah, gratz to them. Nice to see so many new people having fun.
Kaeten	Posted - 2006.07.04 22:05:00 - [186] GOGO GOONIES!!!! High-Sec Piracy Recruitment
NOObbody	Posted - 2006.07.04 22:14:00 - [187] So worldcup is over for most of us.
Shizzile Monizzle	Posted - 2006.07.04 22:26:00 - [188] Edited by: **zile Monizzle on 04/07/2006 22:26:37 Originally by: NOObbody So worldcup is over for most of us.
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.07.04 22:26:00 - [189] i think we should help the goons where posisble that is with referring recruits to them etc - the quicker they grow the quicker they will implode
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.07.04 22:33:00 - [190] Originally by: ***zile Monizzle Edited by: ***zile Monizzle on 04/07/2006 22:26:37 Originally by: NOObbody So worldcup is over for most of us. italy are thro who will win other game
Ur Dirac	Posted - 2006.07.04 22:43:00 - [191] Edited by: Ur Dirac on 04/07/2006 22:43:17 Another thread, another pile of D2 and their vassals accusing everyone of cheating, rather than accepting responsibility for their failed tactics and lost dreads. As if GOON somehow controlled the server lag, or as if they were somehow immune to it. Pathetic, really. It is amusing to see the strain showing, though; the more they lose, the more angry they get on the forums.
Rimini Toranos	Posted - 2006.07.04 22:54:00 - [192] Originally by: Ur Dirac Another thread, another pile of D2 and their vassals accusing everyone of cheating, rather than accepting responsibility for their failed tactics and lost dreads. As if GOON somehow controlled the server lag, or as if they were somehow immune to it. Pathetic, really. It is amusing to see the strain showing, though; the more they lose, the more angry they get on the forums. 1. most of the dread losses (if not all) are actually CCP's fault as we have all seen the pictures of the dreads beeing shot at 16au 2. as people said too many times allready, POS's guns aren't affected by the lab monster 3. when you fly t1 cruisers with t1 mods you don't really care if you lose it, but a ceptor or a sniper bs does
SengH	Posted - 2006.07.04 23:07:00 - [193] Originally by: Rimini Toranos Originally by: Ur Dirac Another thread, another pile of D2 and their vassals accusing everyone of cheating, rather than accepting responsibility for their failed tactics and lost dreads. As if GOON somehow controlled the server lag, or as if they were somehow immune to it. Pathetic, really. It is amusing to see the strain showing, though; the more they lose, the more angry they get on the forums. 1. most of the dread losses (if not all) are actually CCP's fault as we have all seen the pictures of the dreads beeing shot at 16au 2. as people said too many times allready, POS's guns aren't affected by the lab monster 3. when you fly t1 cruisers with t1 mods you don't really care if you lose it, but a ceptor or a sniper bs does people have been shot @ "being multiple au's away" since EVE was released. In every major fleet battle it happens to people. Its because the client thinks it warped when it actually didnt. Same reason why sometimes you cant open that can even though your sitting right next to it. Its a fact of internet gameplay and not much CCP can do to fix it. If youve been through enough fleet battles you know it happens to everyone.
Mulletstation	Posted - 2006.07.04 23:13:00 - [194] Originally by: ***zile Monizzle Edited by: ***zile Monizzle on 04/07/2006 22:26:37 Originally by: NOObbody So worldcup is over for most of us. Wait what does that mean? Is the 2 higher than the 0? I don't get how this game is scored.
Dead Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.04 23:24:00 - [195] Originally by: Ab Initio The most impressive part of there campaign so far hasn't been the fighting, it's been the logistics imho. Checking the D2 killboards shows 1100 or so Goon losses, the fact that there logistics has been able to keep up with that is what catches my attention. I agree, this is an impressive task. I have enough trouble moving small modules around empire. I don't even know how I'd go about trying to move that many ships.
6Bagheera9	Posted - 2006.07.05 01:30:00 - [196] Originally by: BuSHiDo ZiN Edited by: BuSHiDo ZiN on 03/07/2006 02:10:28 The cloud ring invasion started off much in the same way that your three buddies show up at your house at 11 PM and demand to go to Whataburger/Late-Night Fast food joing of choice. Our most powerful counterespionaige abilities stem from the fact that nobody knows what we're doing until we're halfway done. EDIT: Az, you're selling us short, unless you're not counting the pacifying of syndicate on purpose. That was what? Three dreads and a two carriers? This is a powerful asset which anyone familiar with Sun Tzu should be well aquainted with. Secondly Goonswam's ability to direct and support a vast number of players demonstrates exceptional command and control capabilities, with experience you can expect Goon FCs to become some of the best in the galaxy. This should not be taken lightly when one considers how history has shown that good leadership is typically more important than the raw quality of forces. Personally I commend Goonswarm for bringing new players into the game and adding a new dimension to PvP in the form of massed fleet tactics. This utilization of large numbers of moderately well (or poorly) trained players as opposed to a smaller groups of warrior elites is comparable to the shift from feudal armies to modern professional armed forces. Veteran players will always have a place because the undeniable value of their skils and experience, but the dynamics of 0.0 space will be changed by Goonswarm's example. It would be wise for other alliances to consider recruiting new but promising players as a means of augmenting their fleets of experienced veterans. On a final note, some have critized the Goons for their use of lag as a weapon. I completely agree that any exploit of game mechanics is unfair and bad for Eve. But I believe that we also must acknowledge that given Goonswarm's situation, lag or the problems its causes for the Goon's enemies can be avoided. Lag is a sideeffect of their numbers not its purpose.
Ab Initio	Posted - 2006.07.05 02:20:00 - [197] Originally by: Miss Overlord i think we should help the goons where posisble that is with referring recruits to them etc - the quicker they grow the quicker they will implode Your doing well Goonfleet, the alts are allready switching to the "we don't need to kill them, they'll implode" justification for not doing anything to stop you Usually takes a little longer.
Samirol	Posted - 2006.07.05 02:21:00 - [198] Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Miss Overlord i think we should help the goons where posisble that is with referring recruits to them etc - the quicker they grow the quicker they will implode Your doing well Goonfleet, the alts are allready switching to the "we don't need to kill them, they'll implode" justification for not doing anything to stop you Usually takes a little longer. bob is next...rabble rabble rabble Originally by: Tekka Originally by: ISD "Can I have your stuff?" isn't constructive neither is 95% of the internet
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.07.05 05:01:00 - [199] if i was goonfleet i would be offering d2 pilots a place in their corps for defecting - they shuold also press ahead to d2 HQ and totally take them out. Oh come pay klyn and kfr-ze as well ive seen some norad and d2 pilots hanging around kfr-ze guess they moved just north of aridia where goonfleet dont bother to play - apent and their 20 HACs would own em
PopeZeus	Posted - 2006.07.05 05:11:00 - [200] Originally by: Shimpu I love the general concept of the Goonfleet to bring 'noobs' into 0.0 and PvP as I understand it. The major issue I have with the goons is their sheer numbers causing lag and lag and even more lag. It's just not funny anymore if you can't activate modules or be able to deactivate your mwd flying in the wrong direction for 3 minutes. The gooncommanders knowing the impact of their goons on a server node are using this effectively as a weapon. It's their main weapon and the reason they win fights at all. That can't be good. YOU GUYS HAVE OUTNUMBERED GOONFLEET IN EVERY MAJOR BATTLE! STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THEM CAUSING LAG!
Andrea Jaruwalski	Posted - 2006.07.05 05:57:00 - [201] If using lag to justify the lack of pure ability to play the game properly than rank Goonfleet up there with the best.
fmercury	Posted - 2006.07.05 06:13:00 - [202] GOONFLEET Originally by: Sarmaul Now, you tell me how easy it is to make 6.9m in 0.0 - 2 triple-BS belts will sort you out. Of course there is also T1 equipment, but from what I've heard about GF they have good logistics and provide the basic crap for free. There are no triple BS spawns in syndicate
Gindar	Posted - 2006.07.05 06:54:00 - [203] the fate of goonfleet, the bees. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5390476768151802629&q=bees one day an enemy will come.
Valkazm	Posted - 2006.07.05 06:59:00 - [204] Originally by: Gindar the fate of goonfleet, the bees. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5390476768151802629&q=bees one day an enemy will come. hehe yeah seen that one before figured it was that link ..
Vaugue	Posted - 2006.07.05 07:07:00 - [205] Edited by: Vaugue on 05/07/2006 07:07:49 saw that video before.. but it is still very cool. 30 hornets vs 30,000 honey bee's.. crazy.. ========================= Why use a forum to auction when you can sell it on Eve-Bay!
Semkhet	Posted - 2006.07.05 07:12:00 - [206] It is true that the Command & Control structure implemented by the Goons is exemplary, and that their basic tactic may have some effectivity in very precise situations. The problem of lag is that it affects players of both sides equally, but doesen't affect equally the two blobs, because the players of the blob who has the biggest numbers will get more random chances to benefit from windows of opportunity due to the occasional responsiveness of their interfaces. It's like playing dices and saying that each time you draw a six you can do something. Which team will have more opportunities to act ? The one with 20 players or the one with 100 ? Let's face it, without massive lag, the typical fleet battle involving common T2 sniping BS's at 80-120 Km using fly-by BM's against mainly T1 wings should see Goon's frigs and cruisers popping at the rate of their ROF. Typically less than 8 seconds with an Apoc using T2 or Anode Tachs for example. It means that a 10-man skilled team can take down 30 cruisers & frigs in 24 seconds before warping to the next fly-by BM, rinse and repeat. Therefore there's no way the Goons could win a classic fleet battle by using mainly T1 stuff if it weren't for the lag, as simple as that. And those who say that sniping is not an elegant way of fighting may be right, but actually, it's the only ressource you can use to somewhat create a buffer that helps you cope with lag by giving increased time to react in front of massive blobs.
Wild Rho	Posted - 2006.07.05 07:27:00 - [207] Originally by: Semkhet because the players of the blob who has the biggest numbers will get more random chances to benefit from windows of opportunity due to the occasional responsiveness of their interfaces. It's already been stated several times over that during euro timezone engagements D2 & Co have had the greater number of ships in aciton, NOT the goons. The goons only have the numerical advantage in the US timezone as more of them come online. WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
Semkhet	Posted - 2006.07.05 07:33:00 - [208] Originally by: Wild Rho Originally by: Semkhet because the players of the blob who has the biggest numbers will get more random chances to benefit from windows of opportunity due to the occasional responsiveness of their interfaces. It's already been stated several times over that during euro timezone engagements D2 & Co have had the greater number of ships in aciton, NOT the goons. The goons only have the numerical advantage in the US timezone as more of them come online. And where did you see me addressing specifically that event ? I refer to the generic tactic used by the Goons. That they occasionally face equal or bigger numbers is not the rule and you know it perfectly.
Wild Rho	Posted - 2006.07.05 07:42:00 - [209] Originally by: Semkhet And where did you see me addressing specifically that event ? I refer to the generic tactic used by the Goons. That they occasionally face equal or bigger numbers is not the rule and you know it perfectly. It seemed implied since you were posting it in a thread in eve that is pretty much only about this event. WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
Semkhet	Posted - 2006.07.05 07:47:00 - [210] Originally by: Wild Rho It seemed implied since you were posting it in a thread in eve that is pretty much only about this event. Not really, since the subject of D2's recent losses only surfaced for the first time in post No 25. But np m8, your assumption was plausible
Semkhet	Posted - 2006.07.05 08:08:00 - [211] Originally by: Happydayz It takes a special kind of stupid in a fleet commander to keep his short-ranged fleet stationary while it gets picked apart by a long range fleet. Worst comes to worst in that situation you simply move your fleet to a safespot and keep mobile until you can pin the enemy down with a warp-in or an interdictor bubble. However, if the hostile fleet already has sniping bookmarks then chances are that it is already a prepped battlefield, so the T1 fleet commander should have also had anti-sniping bookmarks made. Barring that then push comes to shove you just deploy cans to use as warp-to points. Your post lacks consistency in the sense that you are praising goonfleet command and control in the first paragraph, and then essentially accusing them of mass incompetence in following. First, the main rule to win is not to fight unless you choose the time and place of crucial engagements in order to fight on your own terms. It is true in RL and EVE. Therefore no sound leader will throw his most precious forces without attempting to design a suitable environment. Second, provided the ressources of both sides are equivalent, usually the defending force benefits from many advantages over the attacker. That the defenders effectively exploits these advantages optimally is a whole other subject. Third, the mobility of a gang is proportional to its size given that the number of individual errors increases linearly as well as the information its leader has to analyze. You don't handle 5 players like you handle 100, specially if it takes ages until all your troops manage to jump into a system. Fourth, bigger your corp, easier it is to plant spies. Besides, the nature of EVE doesen't really favor unexpected moves given the slow pace of the game and the fact that you can't hide your presence unless resorting to log-on tactics. Fifth, I praise the Goons for the dedication & efficiency they show at managing their members, but emphasize that the gameplay they choose statistically benefits from the lag-sideeffect it causes. It's apples & oranges.
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.07.05 08:56:00 - [212] goonfleet will test the claims that 1500 can inhabit a single node - u can bet if goons all turned up in jita there would be choas. That said they keep the load balancing software on its toes and CCP will react with hopefully better node abilities as a result of the stress testing that hte goonfleet puts it under
Rashmika Clavain	Posted - 2006.07.05 10:36:00 - [213] so... the honey bees were on dial up and they owned by the hornets cos they were on a T2 link?
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.07.05 10:38:00 - [214] the uber versus the zerg the zerg always win.
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.07.05 10:40:00 - [215] was killer bees wasnt it ?
Rashmika Clavain	Posted - 2006.07.05 10:40:00 - [216] the bees didn't
Ur Dirac	Posted - 2006.07.05 14:56:00 - [217] What's really funny about goonfleet threads is that you always have a couple of really old players who are, for some reason, very offended by the idea of newbies blowing them up. There's usually a ton of vets cheering the goons on, don't get me wrong, but you usually see one or two guys going 'skills will win every time' and 't2 always beats t1' and 'goons are unfair because they have numbers' or some other such equally lame, self-justifying excuse. Oh well. It IS good that there's an anti-establishment force in this game, or else the entrenched gerontocracy would just rule everything.
Ellen Smith	Posted - 2006.07.05 15:42:00 - [218] Edited by: Ellen Smith on 05/07/2006 15:42:47 Originally by: Gindar the fate of goonfleet, the bees. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5390476768151802629&q=bees one day an enemy will come. I prefer the national geographic version (starts out the hornets attacking the hive from the google video, but then the hornets attack a different hive) hey wait, the bees can fight back? (requires windows media player, so probably best viewed in IE)
Shimpu	Posted - 2006.07.05 17:55:00 - [219] Originally by: Gindar the fate of goonfleet, the bees. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5390476768151802629&q=bees one day an enemy will come. There was no lag at all Originally by: Seleene This is what happens when you eat the red M&M's
Muwumba aliUbaid	Posted - 2006.07.05 18:06:00 - [220] Originally by: Shimpu \ I'll be a happy toon again when goon finally pulls out off xzh and I can fight other enemies again. We're not leaving
Bitter Vet	Posted - 2006.07.05 18:16:00 - [221] dont think they are leaving buddy ha ha
Coupo	Posted - 2006.07.05 18:17:00 - [222] i hate the goons cos theyre not shooting at me :( - I Shoot first, ask questions about your veldspar mining technique later
Bitter Vet	Posted - 2006.07.05 18:21:00 - [223] what do bob think about this anyway i mean on one side u have goonswarm noobie blobs of doom attacking d2, 2nd or 3rd most powerful alliance in game so u could probly attack at the same time and d2 would be dead, but then ur southern border is hurt on the other hand u could wait until both are exhausted then take cloud ring, might be smartest i guess the 3rd option would be to crush goonswarm with d2 before they got big, but i think people would call u cowards for that what do u do
13th	Posted - 2006.07.05 18:50:00 - [224] Originally by: Bitter Vet what do bob think about this anyway i mean on one side u have goonswarm noobie blobs of doom attacking d2, 2nd or 3rd most powerful alliance in game so u could probly attack at the same time and d2 would be dead, but then ur southern border is hurt on the other hand u could wait until both are exhausted then take cloud ring, might be smartest i guess the 3rd option would be to crush goonswarm with d2 before they got big, but i think people would call u cowards for that what do u do Please don't turn this into a BoB thread.

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