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NereSky	Posted - 2006.07.03 16:02:00 - [121] Well ive had no direct experience of fighting a 1000 goons in t1 frigs , all i know is what ive read on the forums, but; This reminds me of the Zulu's against the British Army in Africa , the British with thier over confidence in thier superior firepower and the Zulus with thier spears and Grass shields with massive no's. As a neutral in respect to goons all i can say is u have found a niche' in Eve and i wish u all the best tbh a lot of the major powers will have to re-write the 'Book of Tactics' just to take u guys into account. A word of warning though dont get too over confident, as u have found a ***** in the armour of the beast , the beast will adapt and eventually overcome. Maybe get a bigger fly swat or something :)
Tasuric Orka	Posted - 2006.07.03 16:42:00 - [122] I was expecting alot of hate in this thread, but im glad it turned out different. Now i only wish i joined my alliance earlier, so i could have taken part in this battle.. Now my question is, have any of you bothered to take any fraps?
Zezman	Posted - 2006.07.03 17:06:00 - [123] I like to use the analogy of a colony of army ants rather than a swarm of killer bees to relate to the goonfleet philosophy. Their home base (nest) is overpopulated, and their foodsupply is over taxed, so the army moves onward to new pastures You can kill wave after wave of ants but they still keep coming back for more Ants are weak by themselves, but in numbers they can take down farm animals and humans. They are both industrious and destructive, and given time they can cross any river They send out numerous scouts, many of whom die in the process, but the successful scouts lead the main force forward to safety. Their leader is a queen
Berious	Posted - 2006.07.03 17:11:00 - [124] Thanks for the kind words everyone. I can say without hesitation that Goonfleet is the best online group I've ever been involved with. The camaraderie and unity of purpose is truly amazing given a corp of this size. I'd also like to give a shout out to D2 and friends, you guys really know how to bring on some epic battles that have easily topped any experience in my EVE career so far.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.03 17:11:00 - [125] Originally by: NereSky Well ive had no direct experience of fighting a 1000 goons in t1 frigs , all i know is what ive read on the forums, but; This reminds me of the Zulu's against the British Army in Africa , the British with thier over confidence in thier superior firepower and the Zulus with thier spears and Grass shields with massive no's. As a neutral in respect to goons all i can say is u have found a niche' in Eve and i wish u all the best tbh a lot of the major powers will have to re-write the 'Book of Tactics' just to take u guys into account. A word of warning though dont get too over confident, as u have found a ***** in the armour of the beast , the beast will adapt and eventually overcome. Maybe get a bigger fly swat or something :) There is a major difference. Zulus didn't have clones.
Desiderata Fabian	Posted - 2006.07.03 17:14:00 - [126] Originally by: Zezman I like to use the analogy of a colony of army ants rather than a swarm of killer bees to relate to the goonfleet philosophy. Their home base (nest) is overpopulated, and their foodsupply is over taxed, so the army moves onward to new pastures You can kill wave after wave of ants but they still keep coming back for more Ants are weak by themselves, but in numbers they can take down farm animals and humans. They are both industrious and destructive, and given time they can cross any river They send out numerous scouts, many of whom die in the process, but the successful scouts lead the main force forward to safety. Their leader is a queen You ever seen the video for Links 234 by Rammstein sums it up nicely.
NereSky	Posted - 2006.07.03 18:01:00 - [127] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: NereSky Well ive had no direct experience of fighting a 1000 goons in t1 frigs , all i know is what ive read on the forums, but; This reminds me of the Zulu's against the British Army in Africa , the British with thier over confidence in thier superior firepower and the Zulus with thier spears and Grass shields with massive no's. As a neutral in respect to goons all i can say is u have found a niche' in Eve and i wish u all the best tbh a lot of the major powers will have to re-write the 'Book of Tactics' just to take u guys into account. A word of warning though dont get too over confident, as u have found a ***** in the armour of the beast , the beast will adapt and eventually overcome. Maybe get a bigger fly swat or something :) There is a major difference. Zulus didn't have clones. That irrevelant , nor did the Brits , tbh u failed to see my point , The goons rightly or wrongly using game mechanics which are atm allowed by CCP have found a way to become a power through sheer no's . I can only imagine how frustrating they are , but i have to give them credit for thier ingenuity and tenacity. Hate or love em they have become a part of Eve , if they didnt use the tactics they are using someone else would have.
13th	Posted - 2006.07.03 18:08:00 - [128] Originally by: NereSky The goons rightly or wrongly using game mechanics which are atm allowed by CCP have found a way to become a power through sheer no's . I can only imagine how frustrating they are , but i have to give them credit for thier ingenuity and tenacity. Hate or love em they have become a part of Eve , if they didnt use the tactics they are using someone else would have. I'm sorry, but what the heck do you mean to imply by the statement that I bolded? By stating 'at the moment allowed by CCP' it implies that you think they are using tactics that shouldn't be allowed - so please tell us what is wrong with having solid numbers of players who are not afraid to lose their ships? If that tactic is not the one you disprove of, please elaborate on what you think they are doing that is questionable.
NereSky	Posted - 2006.07.03 18:15:00 - [129] Originally by: 13th Originally by: NereSky The goons rightly or wrongly using game mechanics which are atm allowed by CCP have found a way to become a power through sheer no's . I can only imagine how frustrating they are , but i have to give them credit for thier ingenuity and tenacity. Hate or love em they have become a part of Eve , if they didnt use the tactics they are using someone else would have. I'm sorry, but what the heck do you mean to imply by the statement that I bolded? By stating 'at the moment allowed by CCP' it implies that you think they are using tactics that shouldn't be allowed - so please tell us what is wrong with having solid numbers of players who are not afraid to lose their ships? If that tactic is not the one you disprove of, please elaborate on what you think they are doing that is questionable. The implication is not meant to imply anything , atm means at this moment in time . There has been numerous accassions when enough people have complained over game mechanics and they have been changed, All im saying is what ever tactics they do or dont do could well be met by a change of game mechanics to prevent what ever tavtics they do or dont do. I am in no way trying to flame anyone so please dont make the attempt of seeing flames when they arn't any.
raVn666	Posted - 2006.07.03 18:23:00 - [130] 1-2-3-4...25-26 dont mind me ..im just here to try to count how many goon's been writing in this tread Exotic dancer forum
Traellium	Posted - 2006.07.03 21:09:00 - [131] Originally by: Mister Spanky I'm really pleased our antics have brought new players into the game and I hope Traellium's wife enjoys it as much as we do. Just a reminder to anyone else reading this thread though - Goonfleet are recruited exclusively from the SomethingAwful forums and if you aren't a member there you cannot join us. You can however join our sister Corporation, the Duragon Pioneer Group. They live in the same space as us and are extremely cool people. Oh super! We are long time members of SomethingAwful, we joined on July 3, back in 06. I think it was 1906, but I don't recall for sure. It was a very long time ago anyway, but we have been assimilated, have few minds (or memories) of our own, and don't pee on the couch (more than the dogs).
Johanen	Posted - 2006.07.03 21:37:00 - [132] Originally by: NereSky The implication is not meant to imply anything , atm means at this moment in time . There has been numerous accassions when enough people have complained over game mechanics and they have been changed, All im saying is what ever tactics they do or dont do could well be met by a change of game mechanics to prevent what ever tavtics they do or dont do. I am in no way trying to flame anyone so please dont make the attempt of seeing flames when they arn't any. I doubt CCP will change the game drastically to the point where close range ships lose against long range ships in a close range fight. It seems to be a fundamental balance point in this game, otherwise it'll degenerate into who can mash thier "I win" buttons fastest. As it stands now, through my experience in the fights up in the north with the high SP fleets, were a lot like the lines of musketeers in the late 19th century. Everyone lines up, picks a target, and starts shooting. Each side takes it's licks and retreats. Repeat until one side dies and goes home. We're more like urban fighters, poping out of the woodwork with a supprise suicide attack headlong into enemeny territory. Oh yes, and in a lot of the big fights, we were nearly even with the opposing forces numerically, and our last 4 dread kills were against a foe that was arguably superior in every way to use, greater numbers, more SP, better fittings. But what do I know, we obviously all fly T1 frigates.
hangnoose	Posted - 2006.07.03 21:45:00 - [133] Goodluck to both D2 and the goons on taking the station and holding it. This has been a good read over whats going on there the past week+. P.s I'm secretly rooting for you goons but don't tell D2
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.03 21:46:00 - [134] I actually have lots of respect for goonfleet. Yes, theyre little swarmers and 99% noobs, but theyre actually using an incredibly effective tactic that noone has thought of in 3 years. Well done remedial! --------------------------- I wanna be dev-jacked
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.03 22:00:00 - [135] Originally by: Dead Minmatar Originally by: Samirol the real question is, will the goons be the new bob? No. Yes --------------------------- I wanna be dev-jacked
Dead Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.03 22:00:00 - [136] Originally by: Samirol the real question is, will the goons be the new bob? No.
Dead Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.03 22:35:00 - [137] Originally by: lofty29[/quote Wow.
The Speaker	Posted - 2006.07.04 02:58:00 - [138] Originally by: DaarMaar Originally by: duckmonster Also, post with your main please. you couldn't handle my main.. .. besides, all that you've done so far is what the big boys have done a looong time ago. now what do you think where are those big boys now? oh, can't even see them?.. you just keep playing with that little hive of yours, but beware of the Big ol' Bear that will come for the honey.. when the time's right. Swaffer, is that you?
Antaris Xenal	Posted - 2006.07.04 12:20:00 - [139] Originally by: Berrik Radhok Edited by: Berrik Radhok on 03/07/2006 01:30:32 Originally by: Sensi Milla Originally by: Righteous Fury I find it funny that people still bring up the cost of t1 disposable fleets vs expensive t2 fleets tha get the job done. Every single time, t2 will beat the utter crap out of t1. Goonswarm can wave around their massive numbers of worthless ships, but exactly where has it gotten them so far? Syndicate? Congratulations, anyone can live out of an NPC station. I'll be more impressed when they do something worth talking about. Well ATM they've taken Sov over XZH ... beaten 9 D2 dreads and a carrier, constant fighting over a week, lets see how it turns out in the end. Seems pretty impressive to me though. Two carriers, we blew up another last night that decided to stick it's nose outside the POS shield and forgot citadel torps follow you into the shield (pwned by dreads). Also, to Mr. "I'm not impressed", if standing up to the third largest power in EVE doesn't impress you, I'm not sure what will. Perhaps you want us to fly to Delve and tweak SirMolle's beard? *disclaimer: I have no information on SirMolle's facial hair or lack thereof I Have also realized that these dreads were provided by SMASH NOT GOONSWARM! Let us get this straight, without smash's dreads...... goonswarm would've never acomplished taking sovereignty imho
Splagada	Posted - 2006.07.04 12:24:00 - [140] for a player who started eve in last march, i have the utmost admiration for goonfleet and what they do and the PR is perfect too :D - evemail me if you need a free forum for your corp
Ceilidh	Posted - 2006.07.04 12:33:00 - [141] Originally by: Antaris Xenal I Have also realized that these dreads were provided by SMASH NOT GOONSWARM! Let us get this straight, without smash's dreads...... goonswarm would've never acomplished taking sovereignty imho Probably not as quickly or soon as they did, but the reality of it, is that it was only a matter of time. Like, I am sure the Goons could buy a bunch of dreads if they wanted... but I'm guessing they simply don't have many people that could actully fly them yet. It does take quite a few SP to fly a capital ship, let alone fly one effectively. It's not like other alliances haven't had hired guns before ------------------- -Ceilidh (KAY-lee)
Lepuke	Posted - 2006.07.04 12:46:00 - [142] greater numbers are meaningless without good leadership and tactics, look at the killboard for ascn&axe vs rat&friends last last sat.
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.07.04 12:47:00 - [143] hey goonswarm are taking zerg to the next level congrats must go out - that said ASCN are still bigger and badder and BOB well they just have everything uber OSS arent being tested to much yet
Evil Thug	Posted - 2006.07.04 13:24:00 - [144] Originally by: Ab Initio The most impressive part of there campaign so far hasn't been the fighting, it's been the logistics imho. Checking the D2 killboards shows 1100 or so Goon losses, the fact that there logistics has been able to keep up with that is what catches my attention. Ofc its hard to travel 8 jumps from Orvolle to Oursulaert and buy new shiny battleship. Back ontopic. Sheer numbers = nothing, in my opinion. Good leadership and common goals - worth much more. Good luck, Goonies, you`ll need it ----------------------------------------------- Logged in a system, next to you =)
Shimpu	Posted - 2006.07.04 13:40:00 - [145] I love the general concept of the Goonfleet to bring 'noobs' into 0.0 and PvP as I understand it. The major issue I have with the goons is their sheer numbers causing lag and lag and even more lag. It's just not funny anymore if you can't activate modules or be able to deactivate your mwd flying in the wrong direction for 3 minutes. The gooncommanders knowing the impact of their goons on a server node are using this effectively as a weapon. It's their main weapon and the reason they win fights at all. That can't be good. I also have the feeling that the goons are instructed/supported/influenced from some unknown entity. No idea if it's a single big spender or a alliance, but... Goons have lost 26 billion isk (1141 ships) since the 26 th of June when we started the XZH campaign. They are very dedicated and have impressive logistics... but still, where's that money coming from? Goonfleet is a wonderful idea but somehow has grown into a monster with the current server performance. I'll be a happy toon again when goon finally pulls out off xzh and I can fight other enemies again. Originally by: Seleene This is what happens when you eat the red M&M's
Rashmika Clavain	Posted - 2006.07.04 14:30:00 - [146] Originally by: NereSky ...blah... This reminds me of the Zulu's against the British Army in Africa , the British with thier over confidence in thier superior firepower and the Zulus with thier spears and Grass shields with massive no's. hmmm and then the British deployed the Maxim Machine gun...
KIATolon	Posted - 2006.07.04 14:31:00 - [147] Originally by: Shimpu I also have the feeling that the goons are instructed/supported/influenced from some unknown entity. No idea if it's a single big spender or a alliance, but... Goons have lost 26 billion isk (1141 ships) since the 26 th of June when we started the XZH campaign. They are very dedicated and have impressive logistics... but still, where's that money coming from? lol, tinfoil hat?
Panzer Klien	Posted - 2006.07.04 14:32:00 - [148] Originally by: Shimpu The gooncommanders knowing the impact of their goons on a server node are using this effectively as a weapon. It's their main weapon and the reason they win fights at all. That can't be good. Yeah it has nothing at all to do with them blowing 4/18 of you dreads or their cloud of shield ospreys
Annian	Posted - 2006.07.04 14:39:00 - [149] Originally by: Panzer Klien Originally by: Shimpu The gooncommanders knowing the impact of their goons on a server node are using this effectively as a weapon. It's their main weapon and the reason they win fights at all. That can't be good. Yeah it has nothing at all to do with them blowing 4/18 of you dreads or their cloud of shield ospreys 9/18 actually. And a carrier, but the goonies lost one of those as well.
KIATolon	Posted - 2006.07.04 14:41:00 - [150] I heard GS lost 20 mils worth of trit when they ejected it into space when the devs in the swarm told them that it acts like a mirror. d2 subsequently spent 3 hours smacking reflections of themselves for bringing 3 times their numbers.

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