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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20883
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Posted - 2014.10.06 20:14:00 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:Veers doesn't think he's an elite PvPer. He's trolling you guys by using the same rhetoric James 315 does in his blog. He's probably laughing his ass off each time one of you responds to it.  He's not that clever
The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works around it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5594
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Posted - 2014.10.06 20:18:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Steppa Musana wrote:Veers doesn't think he's an elite PvPer. He's trolling you guys by using the same rhetoric James 315 does in his blog. He's probably laughing his ass off each time one of you responds to it. He's not that clever
If he were, he'd be having fun in eve rather than....whatever the hell he's having now....my money is on a mild stroke.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20885
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Posted - 2014.10.06 20:33:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Steppa Musana wrote:Veers doesn't think he's an elite PvPer. He's trolling you guys by using the same rhetoric James 315 does in his blog. He's probably laughing his ass off each time one of you responds to it. He's not that clever If he were, he'd be having fun in eve rather than....whatever the hell he's having now....my money is on a mild stroke. I'm reminded of the joke about the flasher and the 2 nuns, one has a stroke, the other can't reach. I hope he isn't doing it in public, it's illegal in most places.
The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works around it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum
Reverberation Project
248
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Posted - 2014.10.06 22:36:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:[quote=Steppa Musana]
Nah. The kind of emphatic appeals and moral crusading like he has can only come from a true carebear believer. Like when people always used to tell me that Infinity Ziona was "just trolling", I said nope, he actually believes all that bullshit.
Never bet against the bottomless capacity of self delusion.
Is that why when i tell myself i can fly all it results in is me breaking my ankle when i jump off the roof?
If you don't keep up to date on the upcoming changes, you may as well be living under a rokh.I would even Venture to say that was a good pun on my partStay beautiful o7 |
Cetaphil Thrace
The Back Yard
Twilight Federation
17
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Posted - 2014.10.06 22:49:00 -
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Why are so many people getting upset with this guy? And why is everyone trying to put a label on the game?
Some people say it is pvp some say pve, it is neither it can be whatever you want it to be. I mean why does there have to be a label on the game? Everyone can play it anyway they want. PI, PVE, PVP Relic sites, etc. There is no label it is just called EVE.
Just like any other MMO, there is PVP and then there is not. The concept is the same. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.10.06 22:50:00 -
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Cetaphil Thrace wrote:The concept is the same.
No it's not. Get the carebear!
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Cetaphil Thrace
The Back Yard
Twilight Federation
17
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Posted - 2014.10.06 22:59:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Cetaphil Thrace wrote:The concept is the same. No it's not. Get the carebear!
What? That did not make any sense. The game is not called EVE PVP, it is just called EVE last i checked.
I do not care how people play the game and certainly never try to tell people how they should play it, and neither should anyone else. |
Paranoid Loyd
2117
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Posted - 2014.10.06 23:07:00 -
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What didn't make sense? You said it is the same as any other MMO, you are misinformed, it is not.
Can I just go up to anyone I want in WOW in any location and kill them then take their stuff whether they have consented to said PVP or not?
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1616
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Posted - 2014.10.06 23:20:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Get the carebear!
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Syeed Ameer Ali
Interstellar Thugee
0
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Posted - 2014.10.07 00:04:00 -
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Cetaphil Thrace wrote:The game is not called EVE PVP, it is just called EVE last i checked.
You are aware that EVE stands for "Everyone Versus Everyone", right? Sounds like PvP to me.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
152
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Posted - 2014.10.07 01:40:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:What didn't make sense? You said it is the same as any other MMO, you are misinformed, it is not.
Can I just go up to anyone I want in WOW in any location and kill them then take their stuff whether they have consented to said PVP or not?
Everyone is welcome to PVE all they want, the thing you have to remember is that PVP can and will find you eventually, the solution is to learn what you did wrong and how to protect yourself better, not to cry on the forums about how unbalanced the game is. The game is extremely balanced if you take a few simple steps to properly protect yourself. It only seems unbalanced if you are grossly ignorant and/or complacent.
If you do it right the PvP never finds. you. The chances of actually being ganked as a mission runner are well night 0. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
152
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Posted - 2014.10.07 01:49:00 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:Veers doesn't think he's an elite PvPer. He's trolling you guys by using the same rhetoric James 315 does in his blog. He's probably laughing his ass off each time one of you responds to it.
No idea where you got this crazy idea. Please refrain from further outlandish speculation unless you have conclusive evidence to the contrary. Thanks. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1616
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Posted - 2014.10.07 03:53:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:outlandish speculation
A subject on which you're an expert. 
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Mag's
the united
17898
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Posted - 2014.10.07 21:11:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Please refrain from further outlandish speculation unless you have conclusive evidence to the contrary. Thanks. Please follow your own advice.
Thanks.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Saeger1737
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
865
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Posted - 2014.10.07 21:53:00 -
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Instead of a harder punishment, increase the challenge. Protect the sandbox don't diminish it.
Simple ideas to make everyone have fun:
1. Add at 15 second aggression timer to thieving folks, 15 minute safe log off timer.
This making gankers and loot whores alike to actually fit tank and form an escape plan more then just dock.
2. Increase GCC time from 15 to 20 minutes. This cutting back on ganks per hour.
Make the game fun for all not nerfed and boring. |
Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
366
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Posted - 2014.10.07 21:59:00 -
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Saeger1737 wrote:Instead of a harder punishment, increase the challenge. Protect the sandbox don't diminish it.
Simple ideas to make everyone have fun:
1. Add at 15 second aggression timer to thieving folks, 15 minute safe log off timer.
This making gankers and loot whores alike to actually fit tank and form an escape plan more then just dock.
2. Increase GCC time from 15 to 20 minutes. This cutting back on ganks per hour.
Make the game fun for all not nerfed and boring.
That is a nerf, and does make the game boring for ganker and ganked alike. It also continues the slippery slope towards the total safety of highsec and the MMO-market irrelevance of Eve and it's "sandbox". There needs to be an absolute moratorium on ALL buffs to security in highsec. It's been buffed at least as much as it needs already.
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "LIVE FAST DIE."
- traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed] |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
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Posted - 2014.10.07 21:59:00 -
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Saeger1737 wrote:2. Increase GCC time from 15 to 20 minutes. This cutting back on ganks per hour.
Why on earth would you want to further reduce highsec destruction when it's already ridiculously low?
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Saeger1737
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
865
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Posted - 2014.10.07 22:23:00 -
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Dirk Magnum wrote:Saeger1737 wrote:Instead of a harder punishment, increase the challenge. Protect the sandbox don't diminish it.
Simple ideas to make everyone have fun:
1. Add at 15 second aggression timer to thieving folks, 15 minute safe log off timer.
This making gankers and loot whores alike to actually fit tank and form an escape plan more then just dock.
2. Increase GCC time from 15 to 20 minutes. This cutting back on ganks per hour.
Make the game fun for all not nerfed and boring. That is a nerf, and does make the game boring for ganker and ganked alike. It also continues the slippery slope towards the total safety of highsec and the MMO-market irrelevance of Eve and it's "sandbox". There needs to be an absolute moratorium on ALL buffs to security in highsec. It's been buffed at least as much as it needs already.
Its a Nerf to risk adverse ganking, and introduces a challenge aspect other then undock shoot, concord, warp safe, dock up, reship.
Create content, stop being a mindless noob. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
10014
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Posted - 2014.10.07 23:10:00 -
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I have never been able to figure out why people think adding more restrictions to player behavior could ever result in "more content".
Assuming such a sentiment is genuine, in any case.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
malcovas Henderson
THoF
283
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Posted - 2014.10.07 23:51:00 -
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Saeger1737 wrote:
Its a Nerf to risk adverse ganking, and introduces a challenge aspect other then undock shoot, concord, warp safe, dock up, reship.
Create content, stop being a mindless noob.
Oh dear!
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6311
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Posted - 2014.10.07 23:55:00 -
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Saeger1737 wrote:Dirk Magnum wrote:Saeger1737 wrote:Instead of a harder punishment, increase the challenge. Protect the sandbox don't diminish it.
Simple ideas to make everyone have fun:
1. Add at 15 second aggression timer to thieving folks, 15 minute safe log off timer.
This making gankers and loot whores alike to actually fit tank and form an escape plan more then just dock.
2. Increase GCC time from 15 to 20 minutes. This cutting back on ganks per hour.
Make the game fun for all not nerfed and boring. That is a nerf, and does make the game boring for ganker and ganked alike. It also continues the slippery slope towards the total safety of highsec and the MMO-market irrelevance of Eve and it's "sandbox". There needs to be an absolute moratorium on ALL buffs to security in highsec. It's been buffed at least as much as it needs already. Its a Nerf to risk adverse ganking, and introduces a challenge aspect other then undock shoot, concord, warp safe, dock up, reship. Create content, stop being a mindless noob.
A mechanically enforced challenge as opposed to a player created challenge. I have faith in the human ability to learn from previous mistakes & adapt to new situations. This is how humanity has progressed over that last few hundreds of thousands of years. With this knowledge in tow I am unfortunately forced to believe that you people are just being willfully stupid out of pure laziness.
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Arcano Dentist
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2014.10.08 19:06:00 -
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Froggy Storm wrote:If we were to drink the koolaid here and agree. Then for the sake of balance, once you've passed the 3 month date then everyone must leave hisec.
The fact that the majority of players are in hisec is reflective of it being too easy to eek out a living there. So as a result the gankers move to where the herds are.
Push the fish out of the barrel and people won't have to come there to shoot them. And as a side effect you get stronger bigger fish and better fishermen to catch them.
Not everyone wants to PVP. That is why they stay in high sec. If you forced people out then a lot of new players wouldn't stick around very long. People shouldn't be so desperate to shoot kittens. There are plenty of bodies in low/null to keep you busy. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
10020
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Posted - 2014.10.08 19:11:00 -
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Arcano Dentist wrote:
Not everyone wants to PVP. That is why they stay in high sec.
Why are they playing EVE in the first place, then? This has been stated unequivocally by the developers as being a PvP game.
Why not just go play Star Trek Online? Seeing as that's pretty much what you people say that you want.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
malcovas Henderson
THoF
284
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Posted - 2014.10.08 19:28:00 -
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Arcano Dentist wrote:Froggy Storm wrote:If we were to drink the koolaid here and agree. Then for the sake of balance, once you've passed the 3 month date then everyone must leave hisec.
The fact that the majority of players are in hisec is reflective of it being too easy to eek out a living there. So as a result the gankers move to where the herds are.
Push the fish out of the barrel and people won't have to come there to shoot them. And as a side effect you get stronger bigger fish and better fishermen to catch them. Not everyone wants to PVP. That is why they stay in high sec. If you forced people out then a lot of new players wouldn't stick around very long. People shouldn't be so desperate to shoot kittens. There are plenty of bodies in low/null to keep you busy.
When will people actually realise, this game is PvP. Wether you want it or not. By logging in and undocking you expose yourself to all types of splotions, Anyone that does not understand this concept, is playing the wrong game.
To use low / null as an excuse to remove PvP from Hi sec is a damn silly argument too. Each type of Space has it's own style of PvP, and rewards. Everyone has their preference of PvP styles. Its a bit like telling someone who prefers to watch Football to go and watch Rugby instead.
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Cetaphil Thrace
The Back Yard
Twilight Federation
17
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Posted - 2014.10.08 19:41:00 -
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When people say that not everyone wants to pvp, they may not mean exactly that. Does the game require people to make things for the market? I think so. EVE may be a pvp game but there is also a pvp only area right? Null and low. I enjoy doing both when i feel like it. There are no rules in this game really, and if someone wants to play in hi-sec, what is wrong with that? I do not have anything against anyone. Play the game how you want, just do not always try to tell others how it should be played to you. I hope people know what to do if they choose to play in hi-sec, that there is a chance to be killed while going about your day. And just be prepared, and don't cry if you are mining alone and don't look at local or use your scanner and you get popped. It just happens. Prepare yourself for a fight every time you undock. That is what makes the game thrilling for me.
If you play this game i am sure its because it is the best space game ever. And if you want it to be realistic, well then there are villains and outlaws. There is always gonna be someone that will take everything from you right? |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1631
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Posted - 2014.10.08 19:54:00 -
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Cetaphil Thrace wrote:there is also a pvp only area right? Null and low.
You are absolutely wrong. Highsec is as much a place for PvP as anywhere else, be it the ship vs ship kind or any other type.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
10021
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Posted - 2014.10.08 20:00:00 -
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Cetaphil Thrace wrote:There are no rules in this game really, and if someone wants to play in hi-sec, what is wrong with that?
And if I want to blow up precisely those people, what is wrong with that?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Cetaphil Thrace
The Back Yard
Twilight Federation
17
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Posted - 2014.10.08 20:19:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Cetaphil Thrace wrote:there is also a pvp only area right? Null and low. You are absolutely wrong. Highsec is as much a place for PvP as anywhere else, be it the ship vs ship kind or any other type.
I said a pvp only area, people dont go to low and null to go shopping! I know that you can pvp everywhere, gz, you guys way too over the top. |
Cetaphil Thrace
The Back Yard
Twilight Federation
17
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Posted - 2014.10.08 20:20:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Cetaphil Thrace wrote:There are no rules in this game really, and if someone wants to play in hi-sec, what is wrong with that? And if I want to blow up precisely those people, what is wrong with that?
There is nothing wrong with that. Part of the game |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1631
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Posted - 2014.10.08 20:22:00 -
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Cetaphil Thrace wrote:admiral root wrote:Cetaphil Thrace wrote:there is also a pvp only area right? Null and low. You are absolutely wrong. Highsec is as much a place for PvP as anywhere else, be it the ship vs ship kind or any other type. I said a pvp only area, people dont go to low and null to go shopping! I know that you can pvp everywhere, gz, you guys way too over the top.
You can re-arrange your assets in your hanger in low / null, so there's non-PvP everywhere. Everything else is PvP.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
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