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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10025
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Posted - 2014.10.08 20:35:00 -
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Cetaphil Thrace wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Cetaphil Thrace wrote:There are no rules in this game really, and if someone wants to play in hi-sec, what is wrong with that? And if I want to blow up precisely those people, what is wrong with that? There is nothing wrong with that. Part of the game
Then... what exactly are you trying to say? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |

admiral root
Red Galaxy
1632
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Posted - 2014.10.08 20:38:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Then... what exactly are you trying to say?
I think he thinks there's disctinctions between different types of space that don't actually exist. What do you think? No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
1434
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Posted - 2014.10.08 20:44:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Then... what exactly are you trying to say? I think he thinks there's disctinctions between different types of space that don't actually exist. What do you think?
I think he's just trying to agree with everybody at the same time, without actually expressing a clear opinion of his own. Some people just need to be part of the conversation, even though they don't have anything to contribute. www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |

Cetaphil Thrace
The Back Yard Twilight Federation
17
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Posted - 2014.10.08 20:50:00 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote:admiral root wrote:[quote=Kaarous Aldurald]Then... what exactly are you trying to say? I think he thinks there's disctinctions between different types of space that don't actually exist. What do you think?
I think he's just trying to agree with everybody at the same time, without actually expressing a clear opinion of his own. Some people just need to be part of the conversation, even though they don't have anything to contribute.[/q
Sure that's it, and to think i thought this was an intelligent site. My opinion, is play the game how you likw. Do not tell others how it should be played. Not all that hard really. |

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
369
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Posted - 2014.10.08 20:58:00 -
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"Undock" means "consent" in Icelandic. Who knew it was a false cognate? So really all this is CCP's fault for leaving that word in the English game client. I'm sure you miners and haulers will understand and be relieved now that this confusion has been cleared up. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "LIVE FAST DIE." - traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed] |

admiral root
Red Galaxy
1633
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Posted - 2014.10.08 21:03:00 -
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Cetaphil Thrace wrote:My opinion, is play the game how you likw. Do not tell others how it should be played. Not all that hard really.
There's nothing wrong with telling other people how to play the game if you have the firepower to back it up. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
The Scope Gallente Federation
1068
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Posted - 2014.10.09 03:43:00 -
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Saeger1737 wrote:Dirk Magnum wrote:Saeger1737 wrote:Instead of a harder punishment, increase the challenge. Protect the sandbox don't diminish it.
Simple ideas to make everyone have fun: 1. Add at 15 second aggression timer to thieving folks, 15 minute safe log off timer.
This making gankers and loot whores alike to actually fit tank and form an escape plan more then just dock.
2. Increase GCC time from 15 to 20 minutes. This cutting back on ganks per hour.
Make the game fun for all not nerfed and boring. That is a nerf, and does make the game boring for ganker and ganked alike. It also continues the slippery slope towards the total safety of highsec and the MMO-market irrelevance of Eve and it's "sandbox". There needs to be an absolute moratorium on ALL buffs to security in highsec. It's been buffed at least as much as it needs already. Its a Nerf to risk adverse ganking, and introduces a challenge aspect other then undock shoot, concord, warp safe, dock up, reship. Create content, stop being a mindless noob. Please explain to me how increasing GCC timers increases content? It just sounds like more time docked to me. I'm more than willing to discuss nerfs to ganking if those nerfs are combined with a reduction in GCC timer length, not an increase, and if those nerfs increase player interaction rather than just increasing ships' ehp.
The length of the GCC timer is actually a detriment to anti-gankers as well as gankers, and artificially limits how often we can engage enemies. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |

Renegade Heart
Smack My Ship Up
235
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Posted - 2014.10.09 15:53:00 -
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GCC should be reduced to a 1 minute timer. |

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
162
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:36:00 -
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The problem isn't pvp in highsec. The problem is bot-like gankers who gank empty shuttles and pods every 15 minutes for lolz....and face no meaningful punishment by the police. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6319
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:49:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:The problem isn't pvp in highsec. The problem is bot-like gankers who gank empty shuttles and pods every 15 minutes for lolz....and face no meaningful punishment by the police.
Which begs the question: Instead of begging CCP to make it harder for gankers, why don't you just get out there & make things harder for gankers yourselves? Or would that infringe too heavily on your bot-like gameplay? This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
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Mag's
the united
17925
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:54:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:The problem isn't pvp in highsec. The problem is bot-like gankers who gank empty shuttles and pods every 15 minutes for lolz....and face no meaningful punishment by the police.
Veers Belvar wrote:Please refrain from further outlandish speculation unless you have conclusive evidence to the contrary. Thanks.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

Renegade Heart
Smack My Ship Up
239
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:55:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:The problem isn't pvp in highsec. The problem is bot-like gankers who gank empty shuttles and pods every 15 minutes for lolz....and face no meaningful punishment by the police.
You do understand that if I go afk for mere seconds in space a 1.0 system that I am punished by the police? Also, i fly about in space a lot. It's fun. I get people chasing me too. They use probes and stuff you know, but that just makes it all the more fun.
Perhaps you could try to hunt me down? I provide content for those that do!
Bot-like lol 
Now Veers, counter this with trolling all you like, but you are so wrong it's not even funny. And I ain't responding unless you make seriously good points. |

CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite CODE.
487
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:02:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:The problem isn't pvp in highsec. The problem is bot-like gankers who gank empty shuttles and pods every 15 minutes for lolz....and face no meaningful punishment by the police.
Those AP leopards are REALLY funny to see go pop. Yet people keep APing through known systems where it happens. So please explain how the gankers are bot like in comparison to the AP pilot? The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
162
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:24:00 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:The problem isn't pvp in highsec. The problem is bot-like gankers who gank empty shuttles and pods every 15 minutes for lolz....and face no meaningful punishment by the police. You do understand that if I go afk for mere seconds in space a 1.0 system that I am punished by the police? Also, i fly about in space a lot. It's fun. I get people chasing me too. They use probes and stuff you know, but that just makes it all the more fun. Perhaps you could try to hunt me down? I provide content for those that do! Bot-like lol  Now Veers, counter this with trolling all you like, but you are so wrong it's not even funny. And I ain't responding unless you make seriously good points.
Wandering around shooting shuttles isn't a challenge, it's just a broken game mechanic, namely lack of effective police punishment, that should be fixed. And I could care less if you respond or not. *shrug* |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6320
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:30:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:The problem isn't pvp in highsec. The problem is bot-like gankers who gank empty shuttles and pods every 15 minutes for lolz....and face no meaningful punishment by the police. Those AP leopards are REALLY funny to see go pop. Yet people keep APing through known systems where it happens. So please explain how the gankers are bot like in comparison to the AP pilot? Because the gankers mindlessly do the exact same thing every 15 minutes. It's worse than highsec miners.
Having to pay attention & constantly warp around until you find a suitable target is more mindless than pushing a button every 30 minutes then watching a movie. Classic Veers logic.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
162
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:34:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:
Having to pay attention & constantly warp around until you find a suitable target is more mindless than pushing a button every 30 minutes then watching a movie. Classic Veers logic.
If you have ever see these pvp experts in action they mindlessly bounce around their safes 200 km off gates until they find an AP shuttle, and then meet it at the outgank and gank. It's probably even more bot-like than miners pressing F1 and occasionally unloading cargo.
The good news is that the Goons are way above this kind of behavior. You guys spend your time running recruitment scams to rip off new players, which is another activity that could use some seriously beefed up punishments. Come to think of it, the treasury is getting kind of light...shouldn't you be looking for new "members?" |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10050
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Posted - 2014.10.11 23:02:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: If you have ever see these pvp experts in action they mindlessly bounce around their safes 200 km off gates until they find an AP shuttle, and then meet it at the outgank and gank. It's probably even more bot-like than miners pressing F1 and occasionally unloading cargo.
I'd love to see how you justify an action every twenty seconds or so, combined with multiboxing a scout, somehow being more "bot like" than one button press every twenty minutes in between watching Family Guy.
Quote: The good news is that the Goons are way above this kind of behavior. You guys spend your time running recruitment scams to rip off new players, which is another activity that could use some seriously beefed up punishments.
"new players" don't have the kind of money to get ripped off by that scam. That's the same nonsense as when people cry about how margin scams hurt "new players". When in fact genuinely new players don't have 800 milllion isk to buy into the scam in the first place.
It's nothing but foolish, lazy, entitled players whining about how they should have no risk of loss. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20898
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Posted - 2014.10.11 23:04:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:You guys spend your time running recruitment scams to rip off new players, Let me get this straight, Goons run a recruitment scam targeting new players?
Bearing in mind that the typical Goons recruitment scam involves a 500 million isk security deposit, something which by very their nature as new players few new players have access to, I think that I can safely say that you're full of it, as per usual.
TL;DR once again you demonstrate your gross ignorance of the game, and general incompetence at doing some research before you post, something you're quite fond of accusing others of. The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works around it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6321
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Posted - 2014.10.11 23:06:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
Having to pay attention & constantly warp around until you find a suitable target is more mindless than pushing a button every 30 minutes then watching a movie. Classic Veers logic.
If you have ever see these pvp experts in action they mindlessly bounce around their safes 200 km off gates until they find an AP shuttle, and then meet it at the outgank and gank. It's probably even more bot-like than miners pressing F1 and occasionally unloading cargo.
Classic Veers logic.
Veers Belvar wrote:The good news is that the Goons are way above this kind of behavior. You guys spend your time running recruitment scams to rip off new players, which is another activity that could use some seriously beefed up punishments. Come to think of it, the treasury is getting kind of light...shouldn't you be looking for new "members?"
We are an honourable space guild & highly value new members. Also new players don't have anything worth taking even if we were one of those dishonourable space clans. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
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Renegade Heart
Smack My Ship Up
239
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Posted - 2014.10.11 23:35:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:meet it at the outgank and gank
I am not one for correcting typos, but this made me lol 
Unless you meant to call it that? |

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1706
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Posted - 2014.10.11 23:43:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:"new players" don't have the kind of money to get ripped off by that scam. That's the same nonsense as when people cry about how margin scams hurt "new players". When in fact genuinely new players don't have 800 milllion isk to buy into the scam in the first place.
Telling the truth and applying logic is totally unfair. If you do that his baseless "think of the children" argument won't work. |

Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
570
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Posted - 2014.10.12 00:39:00 -
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Classic Goon disinformation.
Noobs buy plexs, last time I looked they were worth a few isk. Nerf Goons
Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20898
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Posted - 2014.10.12 00:45:00 -
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Mistah Ewedynao wrote:Classic Goon disinformation.
Noobs buy plexs, last time I looked they were worth a few isk. If a newbie buys a PLEX in order to place a security deposit with a corporation without researching that corporation first, then that's gross stupidity on their part.
Some people are born victims. The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works around it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
371
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Posted - 2014.10.12 00:46:00 -
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All misfortune suffered by plex buyers was earned by virtue of buying the plex. That goes for naive newbs and people who actually put the ISK to good use. Plex are a bad idea whose only saving grace is the merciful fact that they don't actually generate ISK that wasn't already in game. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "LIVE FAST DIE." - traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed] |

Trixie Lawless
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
79
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Posted - 2014.10.12 01:35:00 -
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I'm really surprised this thread is still going.
Veers... If I ran a massive organization like the goons, you bet I would use a scam for recruitment. The ones that fell for it would be considered too stupid to get in. Period. Alot of this game is meta. If you arent intelligent enough to apply some common sense to your play it isn't the game for you.
Once again...if you autopilot all over the place in a shuttle then you are a dingaling. All over the internet ganking, scamming, and unexpected chaos is mentioned with EVE. Its not exactly a secret.
If you want a game to hold your half and keep you safe while you accumulate massive amounts of currency then play WoW or one of the other many rehashed mmos that exist.
You say that people leave the game because of it's harshness, and some may, but 10x that many will leave if this becomes Teletubbies in space.
No harsher punishments need to incur, people need to quit being a wuss and realize the glory that is EVE. |

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
372
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Posted - 2014.10.12 02:01:00 -
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This game survived and thrived when it was far harsher to play and scratch sustenance out of the limited resources. If highsec ever did become a safe zone one of the most redeeming features of the game that distinguished it from the competition would be lost, and people wouldn't give a **** about deciding to play a different space MMO over this. Trixie is completely right that lost subscriptions by turning the game into a theme park would dwarf the subs lost by keeping the game harsh.
"Make me safer or I'll leave" is the emptiest, least-intimidating threat one could make to CCP. It's the "I have powerful friends in Nullsec" of out-of-game threats. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "LIVE FAST DIE." - traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed] |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6326
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Posted - 2014.10.12 02:03:00 -
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Mistah Ewedynao wrote:Classic Goon disinformation.
Noobs buy plexs, last time I looked they were worth a few isk.
It's not disinformation considering that new players buying plex are the minority amongst their peers. There are better ways for new players to make isk than dumping more money in to a game that they may not even be playing in a few months. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
162
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Posted - 2014.10.12 05:05:00 -
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Trixie Lawless wrote:I'm really surprised this thread is still going.
Veers... If I ran a massive organization like the goons, you bet I would use a scam for recruitment. The ones that fell for it would be considered too stupid to get in. Period. Alot of this game is meta. If you arent intelligent enough to apply some common sense to your play it isn't the game for you.
Once again...if you autopilot all over the place in a shuttle then you are a dingaling. All over the internet ganking, scamming, and unexpected chaos is mentioned with EVE. Its not exactly a secret.
If you want a game to hold your half and keep you safe while you accumulate massive amounts of currency then play WoW or one of the other many rehashed mmos that exist.
You say that people leave the game because of it's harshness, and some may, but 10x that many will leave if this becomes Teletubbies in space.
No harsher punishments need to incur, people need to quit being a wuss and realize the glory that is EVE.
Well, that says something about your moral values. Eve Uni (for all my profound disagreements with their hand holding) doesn't scam new players. Waffles (and trust me, I'm not a fan) doesn't scam new players. Being a nasty and miserable person isn't part of the "meta," it's just, well...pathetic.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
162
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Posted - 2014.10.12 05:09:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:You guys spend your time running recruitment scams to rip off new players, Let me get this straight, Goons run a recruitment scam targeting new players? Bearing in mind that - The typical Goons recruitment scam involves a 500 million isk security deposit, something which by very their nature as new players few new players have access to.
- There's a dirty great disclaimer that reads "Joining Goonfleet. If you gave isk to join Goonfleet then you were scammed and you're **** out of luck." at the very top of the first google result for Goons recruitment.
I think that I can safely say that you're full of it, as per usual. TL;DR once again you demonstrate your gross ignorance of the game, and general incompetence at doing some research before you post, something you're quite fond of accusing others of.
I managed to earn 500 mil in a month or so of mission running, and knew nothing about Goons, corporations, etc..... I would have been a prime candidate for scamming, and that's not how the game should work. Ditto with the margin scams.
Also....where is this disclaimer? The first hit i get is goonfleet.net which is a scam website. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6328
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Posted - 2014.10.12 05:47:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Eve Uni (for all my profound disagreements with their hand holding) doesn't scam new players.
No they teach them how to bot instead.
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