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Sexxsi
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Posted - 2003.10.02 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Sexxsi on 02/10/2003 16:45:01
Quote: Are the sentry guns firing?
yes. I went to Aurahunen(sp?) the night before last with my Moa and fired on some guy from Space Invaders with a bunch of numbers in his name(I think that means he's "leet" or something) and the sentry guns immediately fired on me even though he was lower than -5 security.
it's an exploit if there's no way to attack them and stop the camping. At least in 0.0 space you can fight back.
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.10.02 16:42:00 -
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You guys are going to kick yourselves when you figure it out. I mean really, REALLY hard!
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
-Freidrich Nietzche |

Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.02 16:51:00 -
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.10.02 16:52:00 -
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Quote: Edited by: Sexxsi on 02/10/2003 16:45:01
Quote: Are the sentry guns firing?
yes. I went to Aurahunen(sp?) the night before last with my Moa and fired on some guy from Space Invaders with a bunch of numbers in his name(I think that means he's "leet" or something) and the sentry guns immediately fired on me even though he was lower than -5 security.
it's an exploit if there's no way to attack them and stop the camping. At least in 0.0 space you can fight back.
the numbers mean 'don't shoot'.
maybe your main char will know better next time. .
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Sexxsi
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Posted - 2003.10.02 16:57:00 -
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Quote: the numbers mean 'don't shoot'.
maybe your main char will know better next time.
yes, I now know that your corp exploits and sets up camping spots in which nobody can fight back. It's a shame really. all you pirates talking about how all the "carebears" just whine to CCP instead of fighting you, then you pull crap like this making sure that nobody can attack you at all, setting it up so Concord does the killing for you if a party of people come by to root you out.
And all you pirates wonder why CCP makes it harder and harder for you to do anything...
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.02 17:01:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: the numbers mean 'don't shoot'.
maybe your main char will know better next time.
yes, I now know that your corp exploits and sets up camping spots in which nobody can fight back. It's a shame really. all you pirates talking about how all the "carebears" just whine to CCP instead of fighting you, then you pull crap like this making sure that nobody can attack you at all, setting it up so Concord does the killing for you if a party of people come by to root you out.
And all you pirates wonder why CCP makes it harder and harder for you to do anything...
Err...Damn...
Insurance on my ship: 72m isk payout Cost of a Scorpion for SI: 40m apparently Chance to prove this person wrong: Closing in on Priceless rapidly.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |

Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.10.02 17:03:00 -
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OMG! What part of
Quote: Even the GM's say it's not an exploit
are you missing?
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
-Freidrich Nietzche |

Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.02 17:09:00 -
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Quote: OMG! What part of
Quote: Even the GM's say it's not an exploit
are you missing?
The part that you're missing. Sc0rpion.
The part you're missing is her ego. It's what making her say
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IF I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT, IT MUST BE AN EXPLOIT! I'm smarter than some dumb ole pirates! I have to be! My life has no meaning if I'm not!
  
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |

Needo
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Posted - 2003.10.02 17:15:00 -
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Stargate and station sentry guns in systems with 0.45 or higher security level now attack players who come within range and have -5 (or lower) security status.
Sentry guns around stargates now attack people within range who lose or recently lost standing from the corporation that owns them or the faction that owns the solarsystem.
If a -10 pirate initiates attack he won't lose any sec and therefore not be attacked? Is that still in the game? 
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Sexxsi
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Posted - 2003.10.02 17:18:00 -
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actually, a GM did tell me it was an exploit in response to my petition. I'm obviously not the only one who was told that if this particular incident is being asked for clarification in the csm chat.
And please explain to me how, in empire space, beinf attacked by gate camping pirates with extremely low security ratings and getting killed by Sentry guns when you try to fight back ISN'T an exploit? I don't care if there's some "trick" to setting things up that way, it still boils down to the fact that something is being done to cause the game to work differently than it otherwise should. Something that has no purpose other than to disrupt the game for others.
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Sexxsi
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Posted - 2003.10.02 17:22:00 -
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Quote: If a -10 pirate initiates attack he won't lose any sec and therefore not be attacked? Is that still in the game? 
When I went there, I saw 3 people camping the gate. the one I attacked wasn't -10, and the one who tried warp disrupting me wasn't either. They were both in the low -9's. There was one guy there who was actually -10.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.02 17:23:00 -
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Quote: actually, a GM did tell me it was an exploit in response to my petition. I'm obviously not the only one who was told that if this particular incident is being asked for clarification in the csm chat.
And please explain to me how, in empire space, beinf attacked by gate camping pirates with extremely low security ratings and getting killed by Sentry guns when you try to fight back ISN'T an exploit? I don't care if there's some "trick" to setting things up that way, it still boils down to the fact that something is being done to cause the game to work differently than it otherwise should. Something that has no purpose other than to disrupt the game for others.
By choosing the wrong pirate to shoot? Are you 100% certain of who you shot at? That they didn't further trick you into attacking the person that isn't below the breakpoint when he locked onto you first but didn't fire and you autotargetted him back but did fire?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |

WhiteDwarf
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Posted - 2003.10.02 17:24:00 -
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"And please explain to me how, in empire space, beinf attacked by gate camping pirates with extremely low security ratings and getting killed by Sentry guns when you try to fight back ISN'T an exploit? I don't care if there's some "trick" to setting things up that way, it still boils down to the fact that something is being done to cause the game to work differently than it otherwise should. Something that has no purpose other than to disrupt the game for others"
Exactly what I've been trying to say all along, you worded it much better than I.
SI will get spanked for this, mark my word. Hopefully all involved get banned.
"Trust No One" |

Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.10.02 17:29:00 -
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K It's not an exploit, it's extremely smrtythinking..
People that want others banned for experimenting with the game mechanics and using their brains, rather then lock, turn on guns, loot cans in chokepoint systems, might as well stay in regions where ther'es Concord. They'll never get it..
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Sexxsi
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Posted - 2003.10.02 17:29:00 -
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Quote: By choosing the wrong pirate to shoot? Are you 100% certain of who you shot at? That they didn't further trick you into attacking the person that isn't below the breakpoint when he locked onto you first but didn't fire and you autotargetted him back but did fire?
no, I made certain of the security level before I attacked. I didn't check all three until after the fight, but i did check the one I was attacking. The reason I picked him was because he started firing on me.
I was attacked first, by at least 2 of them prior to shooting back.
The sentry guns didn't attack them, not for their low security rating, nor for attacking me.
As soon as I fired, I was attacked by the sentry guns.
The GM who responded to me said it was an Exploit and that it's being looked into.
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WhiteDwarf
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Posted - 2003.10.02 17:35:00 -
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"It's not an exploit, it's extremely smrtythinking.."
K
m0o used to say the same thing about thier "setup"
Either way you look at it, SI is still trying to gate camp in a system where it's not allowed, hence the sentry guns being there in the first fukking place!
It may have been cute and all the way they figured it out, but it will be stopped by CCP...
"Trust No One" |

Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2003.10.02 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Bobby Wilson on 02/10/2003 17:43:27
Quote: price is up to 40mil again :P
Okay, I'll seriously bite. I'll send a mil Isk if/when you guys post an explanation that the more credible in this thread believe. Tell me some of the rest of you aren't a mil's worth of curious?
BW
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.10.02 17:40:00 -
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If it wouldn't have been allowed, there would be no combat possible at the gate. That is not the case, hence, if you can find a way around the annoying problem of sentries, you're free to do anything.
You'll have to live with keeping on your toes in 0.4 space and below, because this sin't an exploit and is not going to go anywhere 
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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WhiteDwarf
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Posted - 2003.10.02 17:48:00 -
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"You'll have to live with keeping on your toes in 0.4 space and below, because this sin't an exploit and is not going to go anywhere"
We shall see...
CCP can patch anything...
"Trust No One" |

Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.10.02 17:50:00 -
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Yup :)
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Needo
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Posted - 2003.10.02 17:51:00 -
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Well, if it's so increadibly smart, the odds that it was not designed to work that way are pretty low...
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J3tt
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Posted - 2003.10.02 18:06:00 -
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Edited by: J3tt on 02/10/2003 18:07:27 jesus you people.....USE YOUR BRAINS...discorp i like you :)...rest of you just go try all your stupid experiments....EXPLOITERS!!! i guess you don't know how stupid you sound when you say that.
Sexxsi if you don't know what you are talking about STFU
You petitioned what U think is happening not what is actualy happening
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WhiteDwarf
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Posted - 2003.10.02 18:10:00 -
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"jesus you people.....USE YOUR BRAINS...discorp i like you :)...rest of you just go try all your stupid experiments....EXPLOITERS!!! i guess you don't know how stupid you sound when you say that"
I could really care less what cute little trick is being used...
Fact is, there is gate camping by a pirate corp, happening in a system with sentry guns.
Sentry guns were put in place to stop such griefing in protected space, obviously a loophole was found, and it needs to be remedied.
I don't care if they are in good faction standing with the sentry gun owners or not, whatever the scenario pans out to be, what they are doing flies in the face of CCP's intent.
"Trust No One" |

NymphoGrrrl
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Posted - 2003.10.02 18:16:00 -
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Quote: Edited by: J3tt on 02/10/2003 18:07:27 jesus you people.....USE YOUR BRAINS...discorp i like you :)...rest of you just go try all your stupid experiments....EXPLOITERS!!! i guess you don't know how stupid you sound when you say that.
Sexxsi if you don't know what you are talking about STFU
You petitioned what U think is happening not what is actualy happening
pot, meet kettle...
...look at your grammer, and tell us who is "stupid" (that name is a script kiddie l33tn3ss huh?)
Exploit by definition applies, so rather they are "smart" or not has nothing to do with it being right or wrong (wrong on all accounts). Hope that CCP applies their new policy, and bans all of SI, and siezes their assets.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.10.02 18:17:00 -
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whitedwarf/sexxi (if you're even different people):
stop posting. every post you make is gonna make you look more stupid when the truth comes out.
WD may not care because (thank his mother) he'll be cancelling soon.
sexxi, nobody puts any stock in the words of an alt.
did the GM you reported us to come and see for himself? Or did he base his 'yes, it's an exploit' on what you told him?
As for everyone else...
come on.. you're so close.
I'm just wondering how many people have lost kit trying to work out what we have been doing 
our testing only cost me a blackbird.
see if you can figure it out for cheaper.. .
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Archain
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Posted - 2003.10.02 18:18:00 -
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Quote: yes, I now know that your corp exploits and sets up camping spots in which nobody can fight back. It's a shame really. all you pirates talking about how all the "carebears" just whine to CCP instead of fighting you, then you pull crap like this making sure that nobody can attack you at all, setting it up so Concord does the killing for you if a party of people come by to root you out.
Our policy is to attempt to disable ships in order to aquire a passage fee. In terms of setting up so the other person can't fight back that is entirely our goal. We disable our targets to reduce the danger to our ships. Anyone returning fire, disconnecting convos, logging out, or making a run to the gate is usually regarded as a loss and cleared.
Concord does not do the killing for us. This is a 0.4 system we are talking about...the police and concord are totally functional in the systems above 0.4. They honestly don't like us enough to fight for us anyway.
Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.10.02 18:18:00 -
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I think that two GMs and one Polaris was at the SI blockade and saw everything SI did.
I hope that CCP doesen't think something becomes an exploit just because you say sploit sploit ad infinum nauseum.
But I'm not sure, sad to say.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Spoadfeld
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Posted - 2003.10.02 18:21:00 -
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Why don't you jam the sentry guns yourself? If all this stuff is true, you'd be able get them on your side...
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WhiteDwarf
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Posted - 2003.10.02 18:25:00 -
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"In terms of setting up so the other person can't fight back that is entirely our goal"
Translation: we will use loopholes in game mechanics anywhere possible to make our griefing tactics safer for us. It's not an exploit until CCP decides it is, so for now we will continue to use bad game mechanics to grief those players who happen to pass through a 0.4 system where they were led to believe the sentry guns will protect them from gate campers.
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Dirty Sanchez
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Posted - 2003.10.02 18:28:00 -
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WD who ever said .4 systems were safe? did ccp ever say that sentry guns were unavoidable for the pirates?
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