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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
11187
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:53:00 -
[391] - Quote
I hardly expect CCP to clarify this any further, not because they believe people will simply dance on the edge of the line, but because they simply don't have a line drawn and enforcement is absolutely down to the whims of whatever GM handles a given case.
Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."
-á-á - Abrazzar |
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite
CODE.
216
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:55:00 -
[392] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:can't we just suicide gank and scream on each other's teamspeak without victimizing anyone in real life? Some people manage to victimize themselves walking to their car in the morning. But fear not, CCP will protect those people by banning everyone who so much as looks as those special snowflakes funny.
CCP cares about each and every snowflake... you can tell because of my name.
The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á
The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
FleetWarp Ichoriya
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:55:00 -
[393] - Quote
Sibyyl wrote:
At some point you start destroying everything EVE is marketed to be in order to protect RL feelings that people seem to have for possessions that are essentially fake and have no significant RL value (Sohkar's entire "fortune" was worth about $30, or less than an hour of RL work in my case).
Thats fine for you if you can afford it that good. Some other people don't. Some people can advance very slowly in game due to other parts of their life. For whatever reason, it doesnt matter if he had 30b ISK or 3m ISK. It has a value to him and afterall its not about the crappy scam he fell for. I thought we'd already stated. Its about tormenting him for hours when there were no money and no assets to scam anymore - literally!
Dave Stark wrote:
no, i couldn't say that. not with a straight face.
that is sad.
Nothing sweeter than tears of tearcollectors. mhh yummy! |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
9667
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:55:00 -
[394] - Quote
Sibyyl wrote:(Sohkar's entire "fortune" was worth about $30, or less than an hour of RL work in my case).
Good Lord, what do you do for a living? Hairdresser to the President?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Clara Pond
Never Not Snazzy
94
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:55:00 -
[395] - Quote
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:The forums harass me out of game and I feel it is a real life form of harassment. I think they should be shut down and anyone (including myself) needs to be permabanned due to this.
I definitely could close my browser and walk away, but my e-honour is at stake and I feel I need to continue to demean myself by posting on the off chance that I might win the argument. Sure it's affecting my real life, and I am getting increasingly depressed and angry, and I just hulksmashed my desk in rage, but the real fault lies with the people in this thread who just will not take pity on me, give me my e-honour back and let me go to lunch in peace. I mean, it's basically torture. |
Anal Canal
The Conference Elite
CODE.
216
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:55:00 -
[396] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:can't we just suicide gank and scream on each other's teamspeak without victimizing anyone in real life? Some people manage to victimize themselves walking to their car in the morning. But fear not, CCP will protect those people by banning everyone who so much as looks as those special snowflakes funny.
CCP cares about each and every snowflake... you can tell because of my name.
The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á
The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
Amyclas Amatin
Northstar Cabal
Tactical Narcotics Team
328
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:56:00 -
[397] - Quote
6 months later,
Any activity that can be perceived as griefing is banned. All high-sec aggression ceases. You may not war-dec someone without their explicit consent...
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S'No Flake
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
38
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:57:00 -
[398] - Quote
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:S'No Flake wrote:[quote=IIshira]
Then it's easy... CCP is pissed off about the whole AT thing and this payback :) This was on my short list of explanations, but there's people banned that had nothing to do with CODE. that are members of null alliances.
Maybe they handed the bans for the investigations from the last 6 months in one wave probably some bots, RMT, client alteration, etc.
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4857
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:00:00 -
[399] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Sibyyl wrote:(Sohkar's entire "fortune" was worth about $30, or less than an hour of RL work in my case). Good Lord, what do you do for a living? Hairdresser to the President?
Meh, my guess is she lives in Australia. $30 is a pretty standard minimum wage for a casual fast-food employee in their early to mid 20s who's worked for at least 24 months in the same job.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
FleetWarp Ichoriya
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:00:00 -
[400] - Quote
S'No Flake wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:S'No Flake wrote:[quote=IIshira]
Then it's easy... CCP is pissed off about the whole AT thing and this payback :) This was on my short list of explanations, but there's people banned that had nothing to do with CODE. that are members of null alliances. Maybe they handed the bans for the investigations from the last 6 months in one wave probably some bots, RMT, client alteration, etc.
I guess that this is the most probable case
Nothing sweeter than tears of tearcollectors. mhh yummy! |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
11977
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:00:00 -
[401] - Quote
FleetWarp Ichoriya wrote:Sibyyl wrote:
Don't know what kind of EVE you play, but EVE voice isn't the best voice comms interface and not everything can be accomplished by typing furiously in a tiny chat window and sharing imgur links.
I don't know why you are hanging up on that statement? She's just stating that if you dont lure your victim onto a TS you can't be penealized for it. She never ever stated that you should not use TS. Thats an important point you and your friends try to...well..'overlook'...
TS is a third party communication environment. By your statement:
-You can be penalized inside of EVE
-You can be penalized outside of EVE
I don't believe we are overlooking anything, and maybe you can clarify what you mean.
What I am trying to say is that the specific set of rules by which game bans are administered are *totally* invisible to us as players and these rules are not only applied within CCP's purview (the game), but also outside it. If I'm going to kicked out of a game I've paid for because of things I've been doing on a third party server that I pay RL money for, I think it makes sense to at least communicate to me the reason for which I'm kicked. It's at the very least the professional thing to do.
This hasn't occurred as far as anyone knows.
Stop tolling me. Im jnot drunk...-áIm going to stop posti --Pepper the Penguin
~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |
S'No Flake
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
38
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:01:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:S'No Flake wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
that's not ambiguous in the slightest. it simply says nothing. CCP want their cake and eat it.
I'll elaborate later, i have to get ready for work.
I'm sorry, Dave. There is no work. EVE is real. I wish that were true. Anyway, falcon is right in the fact that there needs to be flexibility. of course he is. however if you want people to follow a set of rules, you actually need to tell people what the rules are. this is a game built around a universe with a totally different set of rules, as such if you want people to work within a different ruleset you have to lay out those rules so people can work within them. I'm not disputing CCP's right to ban people, but if you don't want to end up banning half your players [i'm going to point out that "half your players" is exaggeration, but people are dumb so i feel i have to point it out] every few months because they broke the rules.... tell them what the rules are so they know what not to do. I'll be honest, the e1 thing, and now this, kinda put a dampener on this game for me. prior to the whole e1 debacle i was rather interested in the more underhand parts of the game. now i just look at it and think "shooting red crosses might be boring, but i'd rather get bored and quit than have 5 mins of fun and get banned" at least if eve bores to death it's the lesser evil of getting banned. It'd be nice to have a bit more fun in eve, but being banned for what attracted me to eve... not exactly a motivation to have more fun in eve and get involved with other players. So, it's ok if dumb people are scammed and humiliated but it's not ok if dumb people are banned because they can't figure out when to stop? participants of the bonus room were never banned, were they? i should clarify, i mean participants as in the people embarrasing themselves in the bonus room.
My guess is that while you know who to read and write English... your comprehension skills are pretty low.
Read my replay again...
Take 5 seconds break and read it again.
Did you read it 2 times? Ok, i would say 3rd time will be too much... now, where did i say the victims were banned? |
Anal Canal
The Conference Elite
CODE.
216
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:06:00 -
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Clara Pond wrote:CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:The forums harass me out of game and I feel it is a real life form of harassment. I think they should be shut down and anyone (including myself) needs to be permabanned due to this. I definitely could close my browser and walk away, but my e-honour is at stake and I feel I need to continue to demean myself by posting on the off chance that I might win the argument. Sure it's affecting my real life, and I am getting increasingly depressed and angry, and I just hulksmashed my desk in rage, but the real fault lies with the people in this thread who just will not take pity on me, give me my e-honour back and let me go to lunch in peace. I mean, it's basically torture.
Your response and my post offends me. I feel that everyone reading will be offended as well. This is real life harassment.
The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á
The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
Dave Stark
6923
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:10:00 -
[404] - Quote
S'No Flake wrote:S'No Flake wrote:So, it's ok if dumb people are scammed and humiliated but it's not ok if dumb people are banned because they can't figure out when to stop? now, where did i say the victims were banned?
bolded it for you. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
43
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:12:00 -
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Andski wrote:I hardly expect CCP to clarify this any further, not because they believe people will simply dance on the edge of the line, but because they simply don't have a line drawn and enforcement is absolutely down to the whims of whatever GM handles a given case.
At this point I don't expect them to ever draw a line in the sand for us to understand clearly what is kosher and what isn't and I will concede that even maybe they shouldn't, but at least they could stand up and take responsibility for wielding the ban hammer. Those banned are due the courtesy of an explanation why they are no longer welcome on CCP's servers. A simple "bonus room participation" as a reason would go a long way to clearing things up. Right now, it isn't even clear what some of these players banned for "harassment" even did as many seem to have little or nothing to do with the bonus room shenanigans. Providing the actual event or action that got them banned would at least make it clear what their transgression was and they can move on, or, allow them to make an appeal petition if CCP was in error. No clear reason just adds further confusion to the community on what is allowed and is disrespectful to those banned. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
11977
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:13:00 -
[406] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Sibyyl wrote:(Sohkar's entire "fortune" was worth about $30, or less than an hour of RL work in my case). Good Lord, what do you do for a living? Hairdresser to the President? Meh, my guess is she lives in Australia. $30 is a pretty standard minimum wage for a casual fast-food employee in their early to mid 20s who's worked for at least 24 months in the same job.
Sorry, I meant 30 USD, and all I'm saying is that it was pretty clear** that the reaction of the victim on TS was disproportionate to the actual-RL-money worth of "damage" he was taking.
For some people $30 may be a massive investment. It may take them many RL hours to earn it, and they may not be able to spare that much on top of other RL commitments. But if $30 is a lot, then why would someone callously transfer that much to another player without immediately receiving an equal amount of goods or services in return?
IP law, btw 
**for those who listened to the entire recording and didn't just base their opinions off a blog post
Stop tolling me. Im jnot drunk...-áIm going to stop posti --Pepper the Penguin
~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
731
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:13:00 -
[407] - Quote
Some toxic mongrels got booted out
Oh noes what do...
Good riddance.
http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Arec Bardwin
1510
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:13:00 -
[408] - Quote
Is it too late to jump on the banned wagon? |
Amyclas Amatin
Northstar Cabal
Tactical Narcotics Team
329
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:14:00 -
[409] - Quote
Clara Pond wrote:CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:Clara Pond wrote:CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:The forums harass me out of game and I feel it is a real life form of harassment. I think they should be shut down and anyone (including myself) needs to be permabanned due to this. I definitely could close my browser and walk away, but my e-honour is at stake and I feel I need to continue to demean myself by posting on the off chance that I might win the argument. Sure it's affecting my real life, and I am getting increasingly depressed and angry, and I just hulksmashed my desk in rage, but the real fault lies with the people in this thread who just will not take pity on me, give me my e-honour back and let me go to lunch in peace. I mean, it's basically torture. Your response and my post offends me. I feel that everyone reading will be offended as well. This is real life harassment. I am going to punch a child and it will be your fault. Are you happy now, bully? Woe is me, where is Jester when there are victims by their thousands on these forums of hate?
I find that this trolling crosses the line on what is acceptable by commonly accepted standards of human decency.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
9672
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:15:00 -
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Andski wrote:I hardly expect CCP to clarify this any further, not because they believe people will simply dance on the edge of the line, but because they simply don't have a line drawn and enforcement is absolutely down to the whims of whatever GM handles a given case.
This is pretty much the conclusion I have come to at this point.
Nothing else explains the staggering inconsistencies, that are only corrected if they are absolutely catastrophic.
"You can impersonate yourself".
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
S'No Flake
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
38
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:15:00 -
[411] - Quote
Kristalll wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:They stood next to the sign looking out at the long grass. Right next to them was a sign reading 'Danger, Minefield'
m Okay, this analogy, while funny, is also GREATLY missing the mark. This is more like a field, with no mines sign, that get advertised as a tourist destination that people have been playing in for years. And one day a few mines go off, and everyone is wondering where the edge of the minefield is so they can get out of it.
Well, where those mine went off is the edge ... most likely ... but not 100% so, try to stay a few more meters away. |
Dave Stark
6923
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:16:00 -
[412] - Quote
S'No Flake wrote:Kristalll wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:They stood next to the sign looking out at the long grass. Right next to them was a sign reading 'Danger, Minefield'
m Okay, this analogy, while funny, is also GREATLY missing the mark. This is more like a field, with no mines sign, that get advertised as a tourist destination that people have been playing in for years. And one day a few mines go off, and everyone is wondering where the edge of the minefield is so they can get out of it. Well, where those mine went off is the edge ... most likely ... but not 100% so, try to stay a few more meters away.
we seem to be missing a line to indicate where the edge is. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
6585
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:16:00 -
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FleetWarp Ichoriya wrote:Sibyyl wrote:
At some point you start destroying everything EVE is marketed to be in order to protect RL feelings that people seem to have for possessions that are essentially fake and have no significant RL value (Sohkar's entire "fortune" was worth about $30, or less than an hour of RL work in my case).
Thats fine for you if you can afford it that good. Some other people don't. Some people can advance very slowly in game due to other parts of their life. For whatever reason, it doesnt matter if he had 30b ISK or 3m ISK. It has a value to him and afterall its not about the crappy scam he fell for. I thought I'd already stated. Its about tormenting him for hours when there were no money and no assets to scam anymore - literally! It was just a game messing with someone's head for no apparrent reason but for the lols not even remotely related to the game. Dave Stark wrote:
no, i couldn't say that. not with a straight face.
that is sad.
You're probably wasting your time, if you want to convince people here. This thread is a prime example why CCP doesn't want to draw a line in the sand. These people are pretending to be incapable of thinking and aren't genuinely confused about anything. That is why they leave out convenient details, that is why the recurring bans on the same activities are painted as random and unpredictable application of the rules, that is why they try to get the bans to be about scamming and other accepted gameplay when it is clear they never were and that it why they dabble in technicalities. The good thing is, that CCP is run by actual people with functioning brains, so their efforts to get CCP tangled up in their game is a lost cause. |
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite
CODE.
216
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:16:00 -
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Arec Bardwin wrote:Is it too late to jump on the banned wagon?
Not at all. In fact I am about to draw the line the CCP has not so you'll sadly be missing since you're above it. However a post/reply below said line will result in your request.
THIS IS THE LINE. DO NOT CROSS IT!
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The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á
The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
Anal Canal
The Conference Elite
CODE.
217
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:16:00 -
[415] - Quote
Arec Bardwin wrote:Is it too late to jump on the banned wagon?
Not at all. In fact I am about to draw the line the CCP has not so you'll sadly be missing since you're above it. However a post/reply below said line will result in your request.
THIS IS THE LINE. DO NOT CROSS IT!
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The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á
The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4858
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:17:00 -
[416] - Quote
S'No Flake wrote:Jin Kugu wrote:S'No Flake wrote:Well, you have two options then :) 1. leave now 2. try to find where the line is and CCP will make you leave. In your place, i would choose 2. This will help out other players avoiding stepping on the same line  Maybe these people should be banned for whatever happend vov All I know is that ccp should be done with shady community management. Somer was handled clearly, why can't this be done in a similar fashion? Instead we have CCP Falcon insulting people and mass indefinite bans without explanation. Clearly? Clearly it took half a year to do it :) By the way, is not Falcon handing the bans, writing the TOS/EULA/rules.. he is just the face put there in front of you to punch.
I actually don't think anyone should be getting riled up at Falcon for this. He has a tough job, stuck between us and CCP policy, and he has to strike a balance. On one hand, CCP pays him and on the other, we pay CCP. I personally don't hold **** against Falcon. I'm sure he's letting everyone blow off steam and thinking of how best to address the community the next chance he gets, I actually believe that and I'd bet on it.
But he is right smack bang between a rock and a hard place on this one because he has a heated community to deal with and has to stand in solidarity with the company at the same time. Me, I'm going to bed to get some sleep. I haven't been banned and don't intend to be so I really don't have a stake in this but make no mistake, CCP the company is not being consistent with policy enforcement, in both the game and the forums. Maybe this hasn't affected you yet, so congratulations, but if you're standing here right now and arguing black and blue that CCP have done no wrong and their inconsistency does one day affect you, you ******* remember this day and how you only screwed yourself.
But don't blame Falcon. This is not on him. It's on the company as a whole.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
11988
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:18:00 -
[417] - Quote
Let's try not to take this issue, which is a discussion of interactions in an online game which seem to only involve transfer or destruction of in-game assets, and try to blow it up to cyber bullying in general.
That tweet might seem clever at first glance, but that fellow is completely ignorant on how underaged and/or emotionally vulnerable internet users could be deeply manipulated and damaged by keystrokes alone.
Stop tolling me. Im jnot drunk...-áIm going to stop posti --Pepper the Penguin
~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |
Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite
CODE.
133
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:19:00 -
[418] - Quote
People who had nothing to do with the bonus rooms got banned too just for hanging out with e1.
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Clara Pond
Never Not Snazzy
96
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:21:00 -
[419] - Quote
Amyclas Amatin wrote:Clara Pond wrote:CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:Clara Pond wrote:CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:The forums harass me out of game and I feel it is a real life form of harassment. I think they should be shut down and anyone (including myself) needs to be permabanned due to this. I definitely could close my browser and walk away, but my e-honour is at stake and I feel I need to continue to demean myself by posting on the off chance that I might win the argument. Sure it's affecting my real life, and I am getting increasingly depressed and angry, and I just hulksmashed my desk in rage, but the real fault lies with the people in this thread who just will not take pity on me, give me my e-honour back and let me go to lunch in peace. I mean, it's basically torture. Your response and my post offends me. I feel that everyone reading will be offended as well. This is real life harassment. I am going to punch a child and it will be your fault. Are you happy now, bully? Woe is me, where is Jester when there are victims by their thousands on these forums of hate? I find that this trolling crosses the line on what is acceptable by commonly accepted standards of human decency. How dare you even compare child abuse and bullying to the close-knit and clean community of the eve forums.
There is nothing in the EULA about child abuse. So long as it doesn't happen on teamspeak and there are no internet space goods involved, I'm pretty sure we're clear and it's a matter for the RL authorities. Of course, there's no way of knowing is there? Best be safe and stick to threats of bodily harm and racial and homophobic abuse, it's well known that those are A-OK. Also, something something terrorism. |
Amyclas Amatin
Northstar Cabal
Tactical Narcotics Team
329
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:25:00 -
[420] - Quote
Rabe Raptor wrote:People who had nothing to do with the bonus rooms got banned too just for hanging out with e1.
All is fair in love and war.
In real life, if your family member is a criminal and you fail to do everything you can to inform the authorities and assist in his arrest, you could be implicated for abetment.
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