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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9661
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:23:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote: And you have reported all these incidents to CCP? If not, please specify why.
You cannot argue double standards and vague enforcement if you don't do your part to make sure that those infractions are handled through CCP to make a better basis for larger incidents.
Yes. I watchlist them to see if they are still playing the game afterward.
Not one has been punished. Including the inveterate carebear jackass who doxxed me. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |

S'No Flake
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
38
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:24:00 -
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Baldy Mc Slaphead wrote:Lord Kailethre wrote:So, we don't have a list of people who have been banned, and we don't have a list of reasons why, just that its 'real life harassment.
This is like a dictatorship executing political rivals for :reasons: I wish there was more transparency in these decisions, for all we know none of these people were even warned. With CCP Falcon taking the lead on this one, don't expect transparency or reasonable argument at any point. What you will see is a power crazed puppet pandering to the whines of a few, just like Blinkgate.
You put the words on CCP Falcon but my guess is .. you are dumb if you think he is managing all this :)
I would love to see his collection of his buckets full of tears.. |

Dave Stark
6921
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:26:00 -
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S'No Flake wrote:You put the words on CCP Falcon but my guess is .. you are dumb if you think he is managing all this :)
pretty much true. Falcon's just the pure guy that has to put up with our **** when other people at CCP drop the ball. |

Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4854
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:26:00 -
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FleetWarp Ichoriya wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Mira Robinson wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:I play this game to ruin YOUR game.
Of course there needs to be a line. We never know which teamspeak conversation would push you to your breaking point and cause undue torment and distress. Don't lure victims to TS = No chance of undue torment and distress. Sounds simple to me. Keep it 100% in-game. Okay, no problem No body is arguing that singransom is not legit. However dragging this on for hours when its already over with all assets and ISK taken that is not legit. Stay within the game, get all assets and ISK of the Avatar and stop after that! Its over then, you simply can not get more money - there is no point in going any further. Everything after that point is just exploiting the naive or weaker mind of the player behind the avatar without any possibility of gaining and advantage or ingameitem and does have nothing to do with the game anymore!
Slow down and breathe, then try again, this time with some spaces between your words.
Pay attention to the context of the response, and what I was responding to, then try to remember that I don't particularly care, I'm just highlighting the point that more clarity is required on what is and is not permissible.
Besides, the reason that scam worked so well was because just taking someone's money and running automatically gets you flagged as a scammer by everyone. If you can make a player believe he's gonna get it back, put pressure on him to quit trying and ultimately, get him to actually quit trying, you can't say you got scammed because you were the one who quit the game and gave up instead of moving forward to try to find out if you could get it back. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |

S'No Flake
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
38
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:29:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Clara Pond wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:[quote=voetius]People asking for a strict definition of "real-life harassment" are asking for the impossible in my opinion. A definition isn't required. The person should get a one month ban with a clear explanation of the behaviour that was considered unacceptable. If they are unapologetically recalcitrant, then go for the permaban. That's how fair, grownup communities work. If CCP would have just come out and said it wasn't allowed to begin with, there wouldn't be a need to ban them for a month.
They told you to use your brain... Use it if you have one. |

Kristalll
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
346
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:30:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:They stood next to the sign looking out at the long grass. Right next to them was a sign reading 'Danger, Minefield'
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Okay, this analogy, while funny, is also GREATLY missing the mark.
This is more like a field, with no mines sign, that get advertised as a tourist destination that people have been playing in for years. And one day a few mines go off, and everyone is wondering where the edge of the minefield is so they can get out of it. GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |

Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
295
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:32:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Adrie Atticus wrote: And you have reported all these incidents to CCP? If not, please specify why.
You cannot argue double standards and vague enforcement if you don't do your part to make sure that those infractions are handled through CCP to make a better basis for larger incidents.
Yes. I watchlist them to see if they are still playing the game afterward. Not one has been punished. Including the inveterate carebear jackass who doxxed me.
And you know that they haven't received a warning or a temporary ban because you have access to the GM system?
Send a new ticket, argue that you almost committed a suicide in real life because your feelings were hurt so badly, that should get you results.
You'd also have to stop suicide ganking in the process to be seen as an actual victim, but I guess that's part of the deal to get justice. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9662
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:33:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Adrie Atticus wrote: And you have reported all these incidents to CCP? If not, please specify why.
You cannot argue double standards and vague enforcement if you don't do your part to make sure that those infractions are handled through CCP to make a better basis for larger incidents.
Yes. I watchlist them to see if they are still playing the game afterward. Not one has been punished. Including the inveterate carebear jackass who doxxed me. And you know that they haven't received a warning or a temporary ban because you have access to the GM system? Send a new ticket, argue that you almost committed a suicide in real life because your feelings were hurt so badly, that should get you results. You'd also have to stop suicide ganking in the process to be seen as an actual victim, but I guess that's part of the deal to get justice.
What you just said is beyond disgusting. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |

FleetWarp Ichoriya
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:33:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:FleetWarp Ichoriya wrote: No body is arguing that singransom is not legit.
Mira Robinson just did. Why does your side feel compelled to lie about literally everything?
No she just told you how to be 100% sure that there will be no RL harassment. It doesnt cross this out though |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11183
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:34:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:And you know that they haven't received a warning or a temporary ban because you have access to the GM system?
Send a new ticket, argue that you almost committed a suicide in real life because your feelings were hurt so badly, that should get you results.
You'd also have to stop suicide ganking in the process to be seen as an actual victim, but I guess that's part of the deal to get justice.
do you really consider a warning proportionate to that level of derangement Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
11976
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:35:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:'Real life' harassment can't even occur unless you know who the hell is on the other side of the EVE account.
Anything that occurred between Ero 1 and Sohkar happened behind the veil of internet anonymity - by definition 'not real life'.
Your statement is technically correct, but griefing isn't limited to 'real life' harassment. There are plenty of things that would constitute griefing that has nothing to do with either player's RL identity.
Stop tolling me. Im jnot drunk...-áIm going to stop posti --Pepper the Penguin ~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |

Solecist Project
9911
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:37:00 -
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I keep reading and reading ... and most is crap. Most people only have their own narrow viewpoint, instead of actually looking at the issue as a whole.
The most balanced solution would be to simply ban all those who refuse to learn that standing for a specific viewpoint is the least intelligent of all possibilities.
The next step: Forum warnings for people who keep creating bait ... ... and those who deliberately eat the bait and somehow think thsy can be superior to a troll who manipulates them, creating pages after pages of nonsense.
You know who you are and you are easily spottable.
BOOM!
Suddenly, all the actually intelligent people would stop lurking and actually start communicating, instead of staying lurkers because of all the mindless forum zombies who have no conscious thoughts in their minds left.
And I am seriously glad I ripped a specific person away from the hate you people infect everyone with.
You are no humans and I am deeply ashamed that you people are allowed to be here. ~ Empathy and Regret. It prevents good people from doing bad things. ~ ~ This subscription ends on 7/11. Until then you have to live with me. ~ ~ You will reach me ingame/per mails only. I am not reading forums. Mostly. ~
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Dave Stark
6922
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:38:00 -
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S'No Flake wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Clara Pond wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:[quote=voetius]People asking for a strict definition of "real-life harassment" are asking for the impossible in my opinion. A definition isn't required. The person should get a one month ban with a clear explanation of the behaviour that was considered unacceptable. If they are unapologetically recalcitrant, then go for the permaban. That's how fair, grownup communities work. If CCP would have just come out and said it wasn't allowed to begin with, there wouldn't be a need to ban them for a month. They told you to use your brain... Use it if you have one.
we did; in any situation where you're unsure of something, you ask for clarification. we prompty got told "lol no". |

Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
11977
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:41:00 -
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S'No Flake wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
If CCP would have just come out and said it wasn't allowed to begin with, there wouldn't be a need to ban them for a month.
They told you to use your brain... Use it if you have one.
If you have a set of guidelines from CCP that go into any detail (at all) about the kind of behavior that can expect a ban, then go ahead and share it with us. The reason for the discussion in this thread is that:
1. There seems to be a set of rules CCP is operating with that are not clear to the players 2. These rules appear to be inconsistently applied 3. There doesn't seem to be any kind of built in warning system for players being blind to #1.
Players have to operate along extremely ambiguous terms and then are punished when they can't figure out what the boundaries or expectations of those terms are.
What's worse is that public CCP statements on this forum appear to endorse the sort of behavior these players are banned for.
Stop tolling me. Im jnot drunk...-áIm going to stop posti --Pepper the Penguin ~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |

FleetWarp Ichoriya
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:41:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote: we did; in any situation where you're unsure of something, you ask for clarification. we prompty got told "lol no".
So you could say CCP used their brain and you we're unsure and asked for clarification but they said from the beginning 'lol,no - use your brain and human decency" |

Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4856
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:42:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Adrie Atticus wrote: And you have reported all these incidents to CCP? If not, please specify why.
You cannot argue double standards and vague enforcement if you don't do your part to make sure that those infractions are handled through CCP to make a better basis for larger incidents.
Yes. I watchlist them to see if they are still playing the game afterward. Not one has been punished. Including the inveterate carebear jackass who doxxed me. And you know that they haven't received a warning or a temporary ban because you have access to the GM system? Send a new ticket, argue that you almost committed a suicide in real life because your feelings were hurt so badly, that should get you results. You'd also have to stop suicide ganking in the process to be seen as an actual victim, but I guess that's part of the deal to get justice.
This is disturbing beyond words. Except for those five... and those four... three more.... **** it, I'm done. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |

CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite CODE.
216
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:43:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Cut and dried, that's all we have to say on the matter. Thats probably why Eve has these issues. If you have rules, they should be clear to everyone. Ignoring this wont fix the big problem. Unclear rules give random actions.
Could not sum this up better. We don't want a line drawn, we just need to know what definition of said line is. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

Clara Pond
Never Not Snazzy
94
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:44:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:You are no humans and I am deeply ashamed that you people are allowed to be here.
So we are people, but not humans?
Also, you're triggering me with your abusive speciesism. Please stop. I find it harassing.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
11977
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:44:00 -
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Mira Robinson wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:I play this game to ruin YOUR game.
Of course there needs to be a line. We never know which teamspeak conversation would push you to your breaking point and cause undue torment and distress. Don't lure victims to TS = No chance of undue torment and distress. Sounds simple to me. Keep it 100% in-game.
Don't know what kind of EVE you play, but EVE voice isn't the best voice comms interface and not everything can be accomplished by typing furiously in a tiny chat window and sharing imgur links.
Stop tolling me. Im jnot drunk...-áIm going to stop posti --Pepper the Penguin ~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |

Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
296
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:45:00 -
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Andski wrote:Adrie Atticus wrote:And you know that they haven't received a warning or a temporary ban because you have access to the GM system?
Send a new ticket, argue that you almost committed a suicide in real life because your feelings were hurt so badly, that should get you results.
You'd also have to stop suicide ganking in the process to be seen as an actual victim, but I guess that's part of the deal to get justice. do you really consider a warning proportionate to that level of derangement
Penalty is proportional to the amount of whining coming out of the target of the "harassment" as hinted at by the "I got doxxed IRL but I'll let it go" vs. "I lost everything in a TS channel, KILL THEM". |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11187
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:46:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:You'd also have to stop suicide ganking in the process to be seen as an actual victim, but I guess that's part of the deal to get justice.
oh god i missed this part
you unironically justify somebody threatening personal harm against another player and his family because they were awoxed/suicide ganked
yet it's everyone else that's deranged Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |

Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4857
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:46:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:Andski wrote:Adrie Atticus wrote:And you know that they haven't received a warning or a temporary ban because you have access to the GM system?
Send a new ticket, argue that you almost committed a suicide in real life because your feelings were hurt so badly, that should get you results.
You'd also have to stop suicide ganking in the process to be seen as an actual victim, but I guess that's part of the deal to get justice. do you really consider a warning proportionate to that level of derangement Penalty is proportional to the amount of whining coming out of the target of the "harassment" as hinted at by the "I got doxxed IRL but I'll let it go" vs. "I lost everything in a TS channel, KILL THEM".
FYI, nobody let their doxxing go at all. CCP dismissed it. There is a substantial difference there, and one that is pertinent to their current policy.... let's be generous and call it a decision. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |

Amyclas Amatin
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
328
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:47:00 -
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can't we just suicide gank and scream on each other's teamspeak without victimizing anyone in real life? For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/
High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today. |

FleetWarp Ichoriya
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:48:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:
Don't know what kind of EVE you play, but EVE voice isn't the best voice comms interface and not everything can be accomplished by typing furiously in a tiny chat window and sharing imgur links.
I don't know why you are hanging up on that statement? She's just stating that if you dont lure your victim onto a TS you can't be penealized for it. She never ever stated that you should not use TS. Thats an important point you and your friends try to...well..'overlook'... Nothing sweeter than tears of tearcollectors. mhh yummy! |

CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite CODE.
216
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:48:00 -
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Clara Pond wrote:Solecist Project wrote:You are no humans and I am deeply ashamed that you people are allowed to be here. So we are people, but not humans? Also, you're triggering me with your abusive speciesism. Please stop. I find it harassing.
The forums harass me out of game and I feel it is a real life form of harassment. I think they should be shut down and anyone (including myself) needs to be permabanned due to this. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

Anal Canal
The Conference Elite CODE.
216
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:48:00 -
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Clara Pond wrote:Solecist Project wrote:You are no humans and I am deeply ashamed that you people are allowed to be here. So we are people, but not humans? Also, you're triggering me with your abusive speciesism. Please stop. I find it harassing.
The forums harass me out of game and I feel it is a real life form of harassment. I think they should be shut down and anyone (including myself) needs to be permabanned due to this. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9667
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:49:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:can't we just suicide gank and scream on each other's teamspeak without victimizing anyone in real life?
Some people manage to victimize themselves walking to their car in the morning.
But fear not, CCP will protect those people by banning everyone who so much as looks as those special snowflakes funny. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |

Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
11977
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:50:00 -
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FleetWarp Ichoriya wrote:Dave Stark wrote: we did; in any situation where you're unsure of something, you ask for clarification. we prompty got told "lol no".
So you could say CCP used their brain and you we're unsure and asked for clarification but they said from the beginning 'lol,no - use your brain and human decency"
Except no, CCP has not done so. Human decency standards absolutely apply, but we have to mitigate enforcement of decency at all costs vs. the gameplay in EVE which encourages you to be the villain, be part of a harsh and unforgiving universe and so on.
At some point you start destroying everything EVE is marketed to be in order to protect RL feelings that people seem to have for possessions that are essentially fake and have no significant RL value (Sohkar's entire "fortune" was worth about $30, or less than an hour of RL work in my case). Stop tolling me. Im jnot drunk...-áIm going to stop posti --Pepper the Penguin ~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |

Dave Stark
6922
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:50:00 -
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FleetWarp Ichoriya wrote:Dave Stark wrote: we did; in any situation where you're unsure of something, you ask for clarification. we prompty got told "lol no".
So you could say CCP used their brain and you we're unsure and asked for clarification but they said from the beginning 'lol,no - use your brain and human decency"
no, i couldn't say that. not with a straight face. |

S'No Flake
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
38
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:52:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Then perhaps CCP should be more forthcoming with why they were actually banned as opposed to copy & pasting the same reason in to each box. Take pride in your work.
Aren't they forthcoming enough?
The TOS and EULA can be explain in a few lines but because people are nitpicking or are dumb (my guess is the 2nd option) they made it on 50 pages almost nobody reads...
The tl/dr version:
This is my box and my sand. If you want a shovel to go in and play, it will cost $15/month (subject to change at any time) You should be aware that at any moment you can be invited out for no reason at all.
Do you accept?
Yes/No
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