First response: LOL

Second response (after composing myself): This standard would damn far more carebears than gankers, see: minerbumping.com.

Ahhh, spring cleaning.
Nice to see that some trash has been taken out.
Well done, [].

I find it kinda funny how people are still trying to sell this psychopatic behavior as the regular scam.
He had no assets, no point in mocking him any further. Let him sing a song or two afterwards, fine.
However dragging on for hours is outright psychopathic and doesnt add anything to the game.

CCP should be applauded by their stance.

CCP should be applauded by their stance.

We're CCP! We march on fearlessly!
Excellent is what we strive to be!
If you're going to follow us to the top
HARDEN THE **** UP!

You can take a look at Erotica 1's commentary if you need to get up to speed on the current discussion:

mimimi

We're CCP! We march on fearlessly!
Excellent is what we strive to be!
If you're going to follow us to the top
HARDEN THE **** UP!

It isn't our job to dictate to people how to maintain a base standard of human decency toward one another, and we're not going to do so.

The bottom line is that it's down to members of the community to know where the line crosses from common decency to harassment. We will not draw a line in the sand so that people can skirt on the edge of it and bend the rules as much as possible.

This isn't a debate about what constitutes "harassment". If you're not familiar with the word, find the definition in a dictionary and that will satisfy your question.

What we will do, is continue to use best judgement on a case by case basis to ensure that real life harassment is kept out of the game, and ensure that those who choose to involve themselves in such activities are no longer permitted to be part of our community.

Cut and dried, that's all we have to say on the matter.

Stance, maybe (or not). Poor investigation practices, no. This is the third time this year that a bunch of people were banned for something they had absolutely nothing to do with. CCP should not be applauded for this.

CCP should be applauded by their stance.

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CCP have already stated that nobody is going to get a clear and exact definition simply because the second they did that, one of the forum lawyers would find a way around it within five minutes.

Third time?

Please elaborate.

There's a lot of community discussion regarding the recent mass banning of accounts. Initial guesses pointed to the bonus rounds that I was presumably banned for (though I never received email communication or responses to my petitions which were GÇ£blankGÇ¥ closed.) As reports of more banned players came to light, it became quickly obvious that the bonus round was not the reason, or sole reason for all these bans. Banned players themselves have been given very vague reasons for their alleged rule violations. Of course, since some initial posts on super-trustworthy news site Reddit suggested the bonus rounds were the reason, the mob has grabbed a hold of that and won't let go. CCP Falcon's initial statement also suggested that, though his statement is (and he knows this) false, as no bonus round has ever been used for harassment. It was all about the isk and what else can we ask for that is already accepted behavior. Songs, check. Speeches, check. Alpha podding, well hey, you used to lose all your SP with no reimbursement and CCP said HTFU so we'll count that as accepted. Apparently when you put this all into a package and get some people with agendas against you, now it's a problem, while has always been acceptable before.

Here's what we do know. Banned players include people who just hung out in my chat channel. Some x'ed up for free stuff. They are now banned. What did they do? They don't know. Some players never even x'ed up, they are banned. Who knows why, we don't know. Others participated actively and are fine. Good for them. Now, at least 2 prominent players did get banned who continued the storied bonus round tradition. But those bonus rounds were, to a paranoid level, structured so no one could possibly claim harassment. The GÇ£victimsGÇ¥ were repeatedly asked if they feel harassed or bullied in any way and if they would want to continue. If there was even the faintest amount of trepidation, the bonus rounds would end. None were posted online. As far as we know, only allegations got these guys banned because I can tell you, there's no proof whatsoever that these guys did anything remotely wrong in those later bonus rounds. Gankers have been banned that have done nothing but gank. Faction Warfare players have been banned and no one knows why. Random nullsec guys have been banned. We don't know why. Even at least one carebear has been banned who didn't do a damn thing to anybody other than enjoy the company of some of the others banned.

What is clear is that someone has an agenda, whether it be CSM like last time or someone in CCP with an axe to grind. We don't know much of anything because all of these GÇ£despicable, vile, evil human beingsGÇ¥ have not been told what they supposedly did!

It was no mistake back when I ran for CSM what platform I ran on. And it wasn't a troll. It's very simple. CCP needs to focus on 2 and only 2 things going forward before all else:

1. Protect the Sandbox.
2. Be more transparent.

They did a fabulous job with the Somer issue, but then immediately forgot all lessons learned from that. It's not complicated. Protect the damn sandbox. Let players be creative. If they step outside the lines, let them know, but let them stay. I never once received a warning. These players today never received a warning. That is bs. Hand out temp bans, fine. But explain, in detail the reason why. Let them appeal. But be transparent while doing it. Don't want to name players in the forum? Fine, but describe the allegations. Give us some lines. Give us some framework. Don't leave us in the dark. It has nothing to do with rules-space lawyering. That's a pathetic excuse.

There are a number of truly sick twisted individuals in Eve. But they aren't banned today, they are among you, spitting vile threats and wishes in the forum and elsewhere. They are doxxing players and otherwise threatening in real life. TS using character names isn't real life. That is. Ban the real crazies.

Stance, maybe (or not). Poor investigation practices, no. This is the third time this year that a bunch of people were banned for something they had absolutely nothing to do with. CCP should not be applauded for this.

Wait a moment...
I did not say -RL- provokation. I am talking of in-game provokation, other than shooting the ships.

Maybe, just maybe it's guilt by association?

Maybe they were in the rooms and did nothing to stop it?

Maybe they just laughed at the victims plight?

Maybe it's absolutely nothing to do with the bonus room thing.

I don't know.

I still believe that every single one of them know why it happened, or have a damn good inkling of why it happened though.

I would rather CCP did that themselves. If they choose not to then I may post a thing about it but totally not on the forums.

I think she's trying to say that many of the bans had nothing to do with the bonus room... Players who had nothing to do with that were banned. One thing many had in common was CODE

I don't know.

I still believe that every single one of them know why it happened, or have a damn good inkling of why it happened though.

i look forward to the TMC article on said topic.

Yeah I have nothing to do with TMC, sorry.

Why must you make it so hard for me to find my entertainment? :(

so what you are saying is you-¦re not going to tell ppl how to behave, you-¦re just gonna ban them when they dont behave and not even let us know where the line is drawn?
That is a LARGE grey area my friends, one im not sure i want to be a part of.

So when those wormholers made CCP Gargant sing on comms, they were harassing him?

Then it's easy... CCP is pissed off about the whole AT thing and this payback :)

I wish that were true.

Anyway, falcon is right in the fact that there needs to be flexibility. of course he is.

however if you want people to follow a set of rules, you actually need to tell people what the rules are.
this is a game built around a universe with a totally different set of rules, as such if you want people to work within a different ruleset you have to lay out those rules so people can work within them.

I'm not disputing CCP's right to ban people, but if you don't want to end up banning half your players [i'm going to point out that "half your players" is exaggeration, but people are dumb so i feel i have to point it out] every few months because they broke the rules.... tell them what the rules are so they know what not to do.

I'll be honest, the e1 thing, and now this, kinda put a dampener on this game for me. prior to the whole e1 debacle i was rather interested in the more underhand parts of the game. now i just look at it and think "shooting red crosses might be boring, but i'd rather get bored and quit than have 5 mins of fun and get banned" at least if eve bores to death it's the lesser evil of getting banned.

It'd be nice to have a bit more fun in eve, but being banned for what attracted me to eve... not exactly a motivation to have more fun in eve and get involved with other players.