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Hal Morsh
Exodus Mining Corp
177
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Posted - 2014.11.08 21:18:23 -
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People constantly go after me for suggesting the boogyman is around every corner in lowsec, anyone, everyone + their alts and PL dreads are all after you specifically you and only you just because you are in lowsec.
So I hadn't entered lowsec in months but the *content* decided to send me there, and while most supposed "carebears" would not do it I decided I would, since there might be an A-type in it at the end. Lets face it though, everyone is considered a carebear of some sort by everyone else.
So I get my destroyer, the first jump is clear, second jump is a full overview gatecamp, and the game decided that this was the jump to not select the next stargate but the previous stargate, so I lost my pod too. Wouldn't have mattered, I tried again with a tristan, all lows and rigs with low friction nozzle joints and nanofiber hull, lost that but jumped through.
I docked at a station, but what do you know? Only t2 modules for sale in the land of bittervets who love camping. So I fit a tristan and undock *instadied*, figures...
So I fit another one? The guy looted my wreck and left, thankfully the site was only a few frigates, but nothing dropped except a meta autocannon, i'm surprised at this point I wasn't probed down before even seeing the probed on d-scan, like what happened to my astero with that ancillary shield interceptor whom I obviously wasn't going to be able to kill because *one module to rule them all* ancillaries being as OP as they are.
So at least I left lowsec alive, the whole gatecamp jumped through with me, but only locked me and didn't scram. Maybe they figured it wasn't worth the kill this time, and I can't even get anything off the killrights, because 2 out of the 3 have a billion + in bounty and are all minus security status, even if they entered highsec who would need the killright to shoot?
Lowsec is "murphies law online". Might be a reason right there why so few use the "lowsec content". Won't be making that mistake again. Where's the reward for my risk? People suggest better ships, but why throw more isk into the grinder? That obviously doesn't make sense.
Edit: fixed some of the mangled words.
I enjoy a good session of mining.
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Paranoid Loyd
2546
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Posted - 2014.11.08 21:20:34 -
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"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
7105
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Posted - 2014.11.08 21:21:20 -
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tl;dr.
Not prepared to go to lowsec Goes to lowsec anyway. grr lowsec content.
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Mharius Skjem
Opacity Circles
50
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Posted - 2014.11.08 21:23:07 -
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You obviously lack experience, you need to check the map and learn how to move around in low sec.
lowsec is as safe as highsec if you know what you are doing.
A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
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Hal Morsh
Exodus Mining Corp
177
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Posted - 2014.11.08 21:25:56 -
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Mharius Skjem wrote:You obviously lack experience, you need to check the map and learn how to move around in low sec.
lowsec is as safe as highsec if you know what you are doing.
No amount of map checking is going to tell me the ships sitting on the next gate, they could be anywhere. But put murphies law to it and they will only be there if I jump, so the best decision is to not jump.
I figure if you put murphies law into the game you should be pretty safe. I decided against the obvious and lost stuff. Course having alts takes care of most of those problems, while friends do not. I mean whos wanting to jump into a meat grinder so their friend can jump through and go get his content.
I enjoy a good session of mining.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
210
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Posted - 2014.11.08 21:31:47 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:People constantly go after me for suggesting the boogyman is around every corner in lowsec, anyone, everyone + their alts and PL dreads are all after you specifically you and only you just because you are in lowsec.
So I hadn't entered lowsec in months but the *content* decided to send me there, and while most supposed "carebears" would not do it I decided I would, since there might be an A-type in it at the end. Lets face it though, everyone is considered a carebear of some sort by everyone else.
So I get my destroyer, the first jump is clear, second jump is a full overview gatecamp, and the game decided that this was the jump to not select the next stargate but the previous stargate, so I lost my pod too. Wouldn't have mattered, I tried again with a tristan, all lows and rigs with low friction nozzle joints and nanofiber hull, lost that but jumped through.
I docked at a station, but what do you know? Only t2 modules for sale in the land of bittervets who love camping. So I fit a tristan and undock *instadied*, figures...
So I fit another one? The guy looted my wreck and left, thankfully the site was only a few frigates, but nothing dropped except a meta autocannon, i'm surprised at this point I wasn't probed down before even seeing the probed on d-scan, like what happened to my astero with that ancillary shield interceptor whom I obviously wasn't going to be able to kill because *one module to rule them all* ancillaries being as OP as they are.
So at least I left lowsec alive, the whole gatecamp jumped through with me, but only locked me and didn't scram. Maybe they figured it wasn't worth the kill this time, and I can't even get anything off the killrights, because 2 out of the 3 have a billion + in bounty and are all minus security status, even if they entered highsec who would need the killright to shoot?
Lowsec is "murphies law online". Might be a reason right there why so few use the "lowsec content". Won't be making that mistake again. Where's the reward for my risk? People suggest better ships, but why throw more isk into the grinder? That obviously doesn't make sense.
Edit: fixed some of the mangled words.
I am a Brave Newbie ... I live in Null. And so can you.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6588
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Posted - 2014.11.08 21:34:08 -
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You(op) sound like Yossarian from Catch 22.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Maekchu
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
81
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Posted - 2014.11.08 21:34:29 -
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Came for tears. Left satisfied. |
Heavens Deliverance
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.11.08 21:38:15 -
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Quote: No amount of map checking is going to tell me the ships sitting on the next gate, they could be anywhere.
No you are right about the map but why don't you just learn to be safe warping to gates sensibly if you are vulnerable and learn to dscan....
:O |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5100
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Posted - 2014.11.08 21:44:29 -
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I do PI in low-sec and all I ever see are noob-ships and cynos.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8960
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Posted - 2014.11.08 21:44:51 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:People constantly go after me for suggesting the boogyman is around every corner in lowsec, anyone, everyone + their alts and PL dreads are all after you specifically you and only you just because you are in lowsec.
So I hadn't entered lowsec in months but the *content* decided to send me there, and while most supposed "carebears" would not do it I decided I would, since there might be an A-type in it at the end. Lets face it though, everyone is considered a carebear of some sort by everyone else.
So I get my destroyer, the first jump is clear, second jump is a full overview gatecamp, and the game decided that this was the jump to not select the next stargate but the previous stargate, so I lost my pod too. Wouldn't have mattered, I tried again with a tristan, all lows and rigs with low friction nozzle joints and nanofiber hull, lost that but jumped through.
I docked at a station, but what do you know? Only t2 modules for sale in the land of bittervets who love camping. So I fit a tristan and undock *instadied*, figures...
So I fit another one? The guy looted my wreck and left, thankfully the site was only a few frigates, but nothing dropped except a meta autocannon, i'm surprised at this point I wasn't probed down before even seeing the probed on d-scan, like what happened to my astero with that ancillary shield interceptor whom I obviously wasn't going to be able to kill because *one module to rule them all* ancillaries being as OP as they are.
So at least I left lowsec alive, the whole gatecamp jumped through with me, but only locked me and didn't scram. Maybe they figured it wasn't worth the kill this time, and I can't even get anything off the killrights, because 2 out of the 3 have a billion + in bounty and are all minus security status, even if they entered highsec who would need the killright to shoot?
Lowsec is "murphies law online". Might be a reason right there why so few use the "lowsec content". Won't be making that mistake again. Where's the reward for my risk? People suggest better ships, but why throw more isk into the grinder? That obviously doesn't make sense.
Edit: fixed some of the mangled words.
So rather than figure out where you went wrong , leanr form it, and make a plan for success in the future (while chalking this one up to a learning experience and accepting that rewards are sometimes randomw in EVE), you choose to try once, fail (because of your own ignorance), skitter back to high sec and make a snarky and useless forum post.
Yep, high sec is the place for you, which is why I won't even bother telling you the 8 things you did wrong here.
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Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
48
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Posted - 2014.11.08 21:46:56 -
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Hal Morsh wrote: Lowsec is "murphies law online". Might be a reason right there why so few use the "lowsec content". Won't be making that mistake again. Where's the reward for my risk? People suggest better ships, but why throw more isk into the grinder? That obviously doesn't make sense.
From a lowbear who have fun in LS, my only answer is
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10522
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Posted - 2014.11.08 21:49:00 -
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I gave it an extremely brief read, and I identified four pretty damning mistakes.
Enough to make me think that if this isn't manufactured outrage (which, in my opinion is rather likely), then the OP is pretty damn bad at this game.
Nontheless, I enjoyed your tears over what must have been less than twenty million worth of ships and mods, OP. By all means, continue.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Mizhir
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
69323
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Posted - 2014.11.08 21:53:40 -
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Adapt or die. Darwin's law is more accurate than Murphy's law when describing eve.
One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp
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Hal Morsh
Exodus Mining Corp
177
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Posted - 2014.11.08 21:56:31 -
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I had more fun when I actually lived in lowsec. It was a dead end system which we took from some campers. We eventually got pushed out due to complications.
I tried null, but that kept going badly, interceptor killing everything non combat in a station less transit system, the unfit apoc sitting in system for 5 minutes being killed and not even calling for help. I only got curious and warped in as he died. Otherwise if you attempted to warp to the inty in anything pewpew, he was already 2 systems out by the time you landed.
I finally left null when warping to a gate resulted in a T2 frigate blob outa nowhere. But hey the corp gained 300 mill in rat loots, not like I was getting that out of there.
My pvp fun used to involve an ice belt in highsec, and no it wasn't ganking. It was getting yellow and fighting whoever shot at me.
I enjoy a good session of mining.
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Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1256
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Posted - 2014.11.08 21:56:54 -
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This month's losses were pretty bad, OP, but you did good in August out in null. Try harder?
CCP has no sense of humour.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
2010
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Posted - 2014.11.08 21:59:42 -
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Yes! Lowsec is real, lowsec is awesome!
OP, lowsec is for PVP.
Sure, besides PVP you can do anything you want in lowsec. For example, I also manufacture and trade in lowsec.
But...
Lowsec works best for you if you embrace PVP. Only then will you truly learn also how to avoid pvp when you're minding your PVE or ISK-making business.
If you're not interested in PVP, you're better off in highsec or in a nullbear corp.
Fly fun!
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Hal Morsh
Exodus Mining Corp
177
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Posted - 2014.11.08 22:00:01 -
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Some Rando wrote:This month's losses were pretty bad, OP, but you did good in August out in null. Try harder?
I wasn't much of a contribution to those, just a tag along on coms.
I enjoy a good session of mining.
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Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1257
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Posted - 2014.11.08 22:06:44 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Some Rando wrote:This month's losses were pretty bad, OP, but you did good in August out in null. Try harder? I wasn't much of a contribution to those, just a tag along on coms. So you have the stones to play PvP out in null and low before this month, and then you lose three ships and a pod ... and are now whining in GD?
Yeah, go back to high-sec. Make sure to post about how gankers are bad people too.
CCP has no sense of humour.
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somedudeinaship
Republic University Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2014.11.08 22:08:24 -
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Usually gate camps require a little bit of situational awareness. If they have an instalock you're probably toast unless you can burn back to gate and get your butt back through it. Even then they might see you're going and head back across, but it's better then nothing. Or you can do the other thing which is to fit warp stabs on your lows and try to push through the gate regardless. You'll probably be well into armor or even hull if they hit you hard enough but you'll likely warp off if they aren't expecting it.
I've been trying a lot of random fits too as I suck at pvp for the most part. If you're skills are low you might still be able to win if you know what you're up against. I've made the mistake of fitting different ships as well and frankly I think that it might actually be the worse thing for a new player to do. It's perhaps best for those of us less experienced in pvp to stick to one ship type. Try out ranged fits with drones or long range missile boats in my opinion. If you can pick them off at range and they aren't an inty or tackle ships then maybe you have a chance. But again there's a lot that goes on in a fight in EVE.
There are things to take into account like radial velocity, angular velocity, time to lock target, optimal and falloff ranges and chance to do perfect damage, knowing other ships typical fittings, using ammo that can exploit the targets weak spots, and oh so much more.
If you want to use a drone boat then maybe just focus on continuing to train up drone support skills, drone skills, and gallente all the way up to V, plus armor or shield skills up to IV or V each. Fitting is important as well and you might want to try to push cap management, powergrid and cpu skills all up to IV if not V as well.
I am definitely no pro but I have had a month or so experience in fw, my killboard is horrendous but frankly I think that's how most start out at first. Especially those of us that aren't naturally good at pvp or competitive gaming in general.
EDIT: Btw as far as I am aware quite a few people that pvp in lo have alternate forms of income doing incursions, level 4's and DED complexes, ratting, etc to fund their pvp. It's good to have perhaps several hundred million to blow while you fit your ships and learn to pvp. ALSO, you can always buy your fittings and ships and contract them to Black Frog to be delivered to whichever home system you want in lowsec. AND JOIN A CORP IN PVP, it's way more fun!!! |
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Hal Morsh
Exodus Mining Corp
177
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Posted - 2014.11.08 22:31:53 -
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somedudeinaship wrote:AND JOIN A CORP IN PVP, it's way more fun!!!
I make complaint threads every now and then in the miserable aftermath of some kind of derp.
Seems this might be what I've been missing to begin with.
I enjoy a good session of mining.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
210
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Posted - 2014.11.08 22:33:06 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:I had more fun when I actually lived in lowsec. It was a dead end system which we took from some campers. We eventually got pushed out due to complications.
I tried null, but that kept going badly, interceptor killing everything non combat in a station less transit system, the unfit apoc sitting in system for 5 minutes being killed and not even calling for help. I only got curious and warped in as he died. Otherwise if you attempted to warp to the inty in anything pewpew, he was already 2 systems out by the time you landed.
I finally left null when warping to a gate resulted in a T2 frigate blob outa nowhere. But hey the corp gained 300 mill in rat loots, not like I was getting that out of there.
My pvp fun used to involve an ice belt in highsec, and no it wasn't ganking. It was getting yellow and fighting whoever shot at me.
I repeat ... I am a Brave Newbie and live in Null. So can you! If you can't learn how to play this game by yourself, join a group who can teach you how. |
Lugia3
Intentionally Dense Easily Excited
1363
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Posted - 2014.11.08 22:41:51 -
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Complains about being pee vee peed in the pee vee pee area, is in "Exodus Mining Corp".
"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Remove Sov!
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Mharius Skjem
Opacity Circles
52
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Posted - 2014.11.08 22:44:44 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Mharius Skjem wrote:You obviously lack experience, you need to check the map and learn how to move around in low sec.
lowsec is as safe as highsec if you know what you are doing. No amount of map checking is going to tell me the ships sitting on the next gate, they could be anywhere. But put murphies law to it and they will only be there if I jump, so the best decision is to not jump. I figure if you put murphies law into the game you should be pretty safe. I decided against the obvious and lost stuff. Course having alts takes care of most of those problems, while friends do not. I mean whos wanting to jump into a meat grinder so their friend can jump through and go get his content.
I have no alts and get around fine. The map filters will give you clues. If a lot of ships have been destroyed in the last hour then it may indicate a gate camp. You can avoid the system or jump anyway.
If it is camped then you can still escape in most cases if you are quick, willing to wait, and don't panic. Gate camps prey on panic.
There's a highsec to null connection in caldari space that I used to camp regularly on the null side of it. I think it was torrinnos or something like that. We had bubbles, insta locking ships and massive amounts of fire power. People used to run the camp all of the time, lots of them escaped. After a while it soon dawned on me that the same people ran the camp regularly and they were the same ones escaping. They knew what they were doing.
Camps can be beat, but you got to learn how.
A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2640
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Posted - 2014.11.08 23:45:11 -
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Mharius Skjem wrote:Camps can be beat, but you got to learn how. And to iterate on that, the best way to learn is getting to know one or more of the people that camp the gate. When you get blown up in a pvp situation, any pvp situation, and you have no clue as to what you could have done to avoid it, ask the people that blew you up. There are a lot of players that are happy to give tips and learn you tricks, even if it means making you better at (avoiding) pvp and more difficult for them to kill you.
Never be afraid to learn! And never bar yourself from areas in this game. It's to beautiful to only want to experience pieces of it....
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
650
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Posted - 2014.11.08 23:53:41 -
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'Low Sec' like 'high sec' is a broad term. Most of it is empty wasteland dividing places of relevance.
FW on the other hands, like Null is an API delayed LFG system. Blob it up, blob it up, Blob it up some more.
Win. |
Hal Morsh
Exodus Mining Corp
177
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Posted - 2014.11.09 00:03:42 -
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Oh.... I also forgot to mention the lowsec area the expedition wanted me to rat in was faction warfare space right next to the HEK market hub.
Probably made the situation much worse didn't it?
I enjoy a good session of mining.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5102
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Posted - 2014.11.09 00:07:26 -
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Hek low-sec entry gate is camped 9 out of 10 times. Since always.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Cyndrogen
Angels Of Life
629
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Posted - 2014.11.09 00:07:32 -
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Do you know why it's called LOW sec? Because it's not for everybody, low number of players. Usually it's pretty safe as long as you are alert and understand gate camp mechanics.
Sounds like you should be in a t3. You need a modular approach if you're going solo.
also eve has three game modes:
Painful (aka solo) Hard Wait (aka patience)
Do you homework on dotlan next time. Find out who gate camps and what ships they use. Should be pretty easy to avoid. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
248
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Posted - 2014.11.09 00:31:21 -
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Agree with OP, most of the lowsec "content" is just lame gatecamps. Would like to see buffed up sentry guns to actually incentivize people to combat in the system not just on the gates. |
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