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Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
8246
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Posted - 2014.11.09 09:12:49 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:You(op) sound like Yossarian from Catch 22.
I like that movie.
Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap.
Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!!
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5647
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Posted - 2014.11.09 09:25:36 -
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How did lowsec become the parking lot from the movie Dawn of the Dead?
What are these people doing when nobody is trying to pass through their gate camps?
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1831
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Posted - 2014.11.09 10:11:37 -
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Abrazzar wrote:I do PI in low-sec and all I ever see are noob-ships and cynos.
I make cynos in lowsec and all I ever see is Tornadoes =(
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:How did lowsec become the parking lot from the movie Dawn of the Dead?
What are these people doing when nobody is trying to pass through their gate camps?
I wonder about this sometimes. |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6613
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Posted - 2014.11.09 10:36:15 -
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Tollen Gallen wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:You(op) sound like Yossarian from Catch 22. I like that movie Book.

"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Hal Morsh
Exodus Mining Corp
180
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Posted - 2014.11.09 10:38:40 -
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Some Rando wrote:afkalt wrote:You know, it wouldnt kill you to give the guys some advice. Check out OP's killboard page; he used to live in null-sec and has been out in low-sec shooting people on quite a few occasions. So, either he's a complete troll or he refuses to learn how to get around space. In either case, advice is not what he needs.
More like I used to live in lowsec. The whole null thing was me attempting to live there (not actually living in null), and leaving after I continued to lose ships. The last ship was when I decided to not lose anymore, but then somoene sitting on station had coms to a T2 frigate blob on the other side of a gate, and I just happened to be the unlucky SOB who warped too that gate.
The living in lowsec was okay for a while, until the butterfly effect caused some ruckus, you know, the usual blobs, a guy with 30 alts harassing the corp to death was why I left why was no one willing to attempt a group effort? I attempted to smartbomb all those thrashers with a dominix but it was on the wrong resists, then I was recruited by another corp in the alliance, Another part of lowsec and I was looting a still active battlefield until some russians decided it funny to chase me about with interceptors.
After some in life events that kept me off eve due to losing my computer. I came back and decided low wasn't a good idea anymore. I only really feel safe entering that lowsec pocket I used to live in, even with the new residents.
I enjoy a good session of mining.
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Claud Tiberius
Fidelas Constans
79
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Posted - 2014.11.09 11:01:49 -
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Exploring on your own has risks. Some routes are busier than others. It takes experience and knowledge to fully navigate eve safely. Intel is power.
Once upon a time the Golem had a Raven hull and it looked good. Then it transformed into a plataduck. The end.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
291
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Posted - 2014.11.09 11:25:38 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:...which is why I won't even bother telling you the 8 things you did wrong here.
Oohh...
Please tell me, I'd like to know. Send me an EVE Mail if you like...
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
845
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Posted - 2014.11.09 12:35:51 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:I only really feel safe entering that lowsec pocket I used to live in, even with the new residents. Safety in EVE? 
Remove insurance.
This thread is the reason, why CCP should stop advertising any aspect of EVE PvE
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8966
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Posted - 2014.11.09 17:39:03 -
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BrundleMeth wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:...which is why I won't even bother telling you the 8 things you did wrong here.
Oohh... Please tell me, I'd like to know. Send me an EVE Mail if you like...
# 1, he installed EVE. The other 7 are availoable for 50 bucks or 4 plex (I learned to do that by watcing CCP)!
But for real though, this guy doesn't have the right mentality for low and null. I just read one of his post where he said he doesn't "feel safe" in low except in the pocket he used to live in.
You aren't supposed to "feel safe" ANYWHERE in EVE (I don't, this is why I've gone 7 years without getting ganked, for example). Not feeling safe is the name of the game. When a player understands that, they pay attention to the game mechanics, learns how to be safer and thus how to function in the game.
What happens a lot of times, though, is that a player will prove unteachable/unable to adapt and they will then blame the game for that while removing themselves to the shallow end of EVE (high sec). I say that's not a terrible thing, not everyone is mentally agile enough to play the game in the areas of the game that don't artificially hold their hands.
And I'm not totally judging here, I myself have had a hard time adapting to wormhole space, so I learned "Jenn belongs in K space" rather than complained on a public forum about how the wormholes need to change. |

Paynus Maiassus
Capital Munitions
161
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Posted - 2014.11.09 23:02:31 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:People constantly go after me for suggesting the boogyman is around every corner in lowsec, anyone, everyone + their alts and PL dreads are all after you specifically you and only you just because you are in lowsec.
So I hadn't entered lowsec in months but the *content* decided to send me there, and while most supposed "carebears" would not do it I decided I would, since there might be an A-type in it at the end. Lets face it though, everyone is considered a carebear of some sort by everyone else.
So I get my destroyer, the first jump is clear, second jump is a full overview gatecamp, and the game decided that this was the jump to not select the next stargate but the previous stargate, so I lost my pod too. Wouldn't have mattered, I tried again with a tristan, all lows and rigs with low friction nozzle joints and nanofiber hull, lost that but jumped through.
I docked at a station, but what do you know? Only t2 modules for sale in the land of bittervets who love camping. So I fit a tristan and undock *instadied*, figures...
So I fit another one? The guy looted my wreck and left, thankfully the site was only a few frigates, but nothing dropped except a meta autocannon, i'm surprised at this point I wasn't probed down before even seeing the probed on d-scan, like what happened to my astero with that ancillary shield interceptor whom I obviously wasn't going to be able to kill because *one module to rule them all* ancillaries being as OP as they are.
So at least I left lowsec alive, the whole gatecamp jumped through with me, but only locked me and didn't scram. Maybe they figured it wasn't worth the kill this time, and I can't even get anything off the killrights, because 2 out of the 3 have a billion + in bounty and are all minus security status, even if they entered highsec who would need the killright to shoot?
Lowsec is "murphies law online". Might be a reason right there why so few use the "lowsec content". Won't be making that mistake again. Where's the reward for my risk? People suggest better ships, but why throw more isk into the grinder? That obviously doesn't make sense.
Edit: fixed some of the mangled words.
Low sec at a minimum requires some alts and some experience in order to be safe. That's at a minimum, but you don't need the alts or experience if you have a group of friends. That's the hostility toward carebears. There is a lot of ratting and industry done in low, even some mining, but it is generally done by groups who know their area and work together to exploit it successfully.
If you just all by yourself decide to dive on in to low sec, you have about as much chance of getting your butt handed to you as a guy who closes his eyes and dives off the side of a building has of hitting the ground in a painful way.
It's not that the game is broken, it's that your play style and/or your social group is not suited for low. I'm not digging at you. Stay in highest if you want. Highseccers are important for the game. We need those loot drops and that ore. But if you want to go to low, join a corp that operates there. Make sure they are a corp that doesn't make their ISK on high sec alts. Most low sec corps like a certain amount of PvP involvement, but with some effort you'll be able to find a corp that will support you as a low sec ratter.
Eve is a game with a learning curve. You just gotta learn low sec if you want to be there. It's better to live there than just head there once in a while for a lark. After you've lived there and know how low sec works, you can move back to high and use your knowledge to foray into low on occasion.
Also, protip: You can fit a fitted frigate in the fleet hangar bay of a Deep Space Transport. You can also package one and fit it with modules in a Blockade Runner. Those ships are suited to going through low sec border systems. Low sec in a lot of cases, gets less dangerous the deeper into it you go. The border systems from high to low, especially on 'pipelines' are quite often very heavily camped. But you'll find out about this from a good low sec corp if you join one. |
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Mharius Skjem
Opacity Circles
91
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Posted - 2014.11.09 23:12:31 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote: Buffed up sentry guns would end these stupid gate camps, and create more conflict in the systems rather than just gatecamp massacres. Might make people actually WANT to LIVE in lowsec.
It would result in much, much less conflict. Because one of the few places you can actually catch people is on gates. And as for making people want to live in lowsec, the solution is simple. Highsec needs to be savagely nerfed, so it doesn't overshadow lowsec.
Highsec has been nerfed enough, buff low and null.
A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10551
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Posted - 2014.11.09 23:16:28 -
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Mharius Skjem wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote: Buffed up sentry guns would end these stupid gate camps, and create more conflict in the systems rather than just gatecamp massacres. Might make people actually WANT to LIVE in lowsec.
It would result in much, much less conflict. Because one of the few places you can actually catch people is on gates. And as for making people want to live in lowsec, the solution is simple. Highsec needs to be savagely nerfed, so it doesn't overshadow lowsec. Highsec has been nerfed enough, buff low and null.
No. Inflation is a bad thing.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
251
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Posted - 2014.11.09 23:39:20 -
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Mharius Skjem wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote: Buffed up sentry guns would end these stupid gate camps, and create more conflict in the systems rather than just gatecamp massacres. Might make people actually WANT to LIVE in lowsec.
It would result in much, much less conflict. Because one of the few places you can actually catch people is on gates. And as for making people want to live in lowsec, the solution is simple. Highsec needs to be savagely nerfed, so it doesn't overshadow lowsec. Highsec has been nerfed enough, buff low and null.
Nullsec is already more profitable and less risky than highsec. The problem with lowsec isn't rewards, its the pathetic gatecamps that stifle play. If anything highsec needs massive buffs to counteract the gankers/wardeccers/awoxers, etc.... and to make it more profitable than ultra safe blue donut space. |

Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10551
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Posted - 2014.11.09 23:49:52 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:The problem with lowsec isn't rewards, its the pathetic gatecamps that stifle play.
Then there is no problem. I rolled through half of Caldari lowsec this morning with an alt in a Recon Cruiser. I had to turn my cloak on maybe six times the whole trip, and that was just a precaution.
Didn't see a gatecamp of any description.
Quote: If anything highsec needs massive buffs to counteract the gankers/wardeccers/awoxers, etc.... and to make it more profitable than ultra safe blue donut space.
The opposite is true. If anything it needs nerfed to counteract the true causes of inflation. Chief among them are those incursion runners who just sit around and grind all day, bringing everyone else's plex prices up with their fattening themselves in complete safety.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
251
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Posted - 2014.11.09 23:58:32 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
The opposite is true. If anything it needs nerfed to counteract the true causes of inflation. Chief among them are those incursion runners who just sit around and grind all day, bringing everyone else's plex prices up with their fattening themselves in complete safety.
Such nonsense, if incursions were flooding eve with cheap isk not only would plex be inflating but SO WOULD EVERYTHING ELSE AT AN EQUAL RATE. Instead, everything else is actually DEFLATING. Diagnosis - too much easy mining (especially in nullsec) and TOO LITTLE NEW ISK. What you should really advocate for is higher highsec incursion rewards to balance the excessive mining and combat the dangerous deflation that is driving up plex prices. |

Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10551
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Posted - 2014.11.10 00:03:49 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: Such nonsense, if incursions were flooding eve with cheap isk not only would plex be inflating but SO WOULD EVERYTHING ELSE AT AN EQUAL RATE.
Economics, learn some.
Quote:
Instead, everything else is actually DEFLATING.
If true, good. But I imagine that has more to do with the last few patches and the industry changes more than anything else.
Quote: Diagnosis - too much easy mining (especially in nullsec) and TOO LITTLE NEW ISK.
Considering that the vast, vast majority of mining goes on in highsec, looks like we need to buff ganking.
Quote: What you should really advocate for is higher highsec incursion rewards to balance the excessive mining and combat the dangerous deflation that is driving up plex prices.
Deflation does not drive up prices. Especially not with currency that is pretty much only backed by one substance.
Did you even go to highschool?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
251
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Posted - 2014.11.10 00:08:00 -
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Seriously? Do you have any grasp of economics? 
Try to figure this one out. Mining increases....resources become more common...as do ships and mods. Thus it takes less effort to acquire them. This means that their time value decreases, as does their $$$ value. The $$$ price of plex is fixed. Thus, we would expect the isk price of plex to go up and isk price of ships/mods to go down. Oh gee....exactly what is happening. And nothing to do with Eve flooding with isk, which would keep the $$$ of ships/mods fixed, and would mean that the isk price of plex and ships/mods would both increase in equal proportion.
But hey, yo, simple economics, highschool, and it's obviously those incursion runners. 
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10552
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Posted - 2014.11.10 00:11:18 -
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Keep defending the golden goose, Tears.
But we all know that increasing average wealth without corresponding loss causes inflation. That's pretty much the definition.
And the major culprit of that is highsec incursions, since it's the most consistent personal income in the game. You guys are printing money there, thanks largely to the over buffed safety of highsec. You fatten yourselves up at the expense of the rest of the game. Despicable.
[edit: Are you freaking serious? "less effort to acquire them results in higher prices"? So, easier to obtain somehow leads to more scarcity? Are you high again?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
251
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Posted - 2014.11.10 00:13:20 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Keep defending the golden goose, Tears.
But we all know that increasing average wealth without corresponding loss causes inflation. That's pretty much the definition.
And the major culprit of that is highsec incursions, since it's the most consistent personal income in the game. You guys are printing money there, thanks largely to the over buffed safety of highsec. You fatten yourselves up at the expense of the rest of the game. Despicable.
Actually if the supply of stuff is INCREASING faster than the supply of ISK, that's called DELFATION not INFLATION. Inflation isn't about how much isk is in circulation, it's about the relative ratio of isk to stuff. I mean seriously, learn economics.
Also, bounties eclipse incursions by a 3-1 ratio, so if there was inflation (which of course there isn't), the culprit would be the folks in null AFK ratting, not incursion runners.  |

Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10552
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Posted - 2014.11.10 00:16:41 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: Inflation isn't about how much isk is in circulation
You heard it here folks. Inflation has nothing to do with currency devaluation.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
252
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Posted - 2014.11.10 00:22:32 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote: Inflation isn't about how much isk is in circulation
You heard it here folks. Inflation has nothing to do with currency devaluation.
Currency devaluation???? Relative to what? That requires foreign currencies...eve has none.....I mean come on. If stuff is deflating (or deflating relative to Plex) that means that the rate of material growth exceeds the rate of isk growth. Your enemy should be mining, not incursions (and if isk growth really was your target, you should go after bounties).
Edit - maybe you mean currency depreciation? But that also requires foreign currencies....and this would not explain inflation/deflation in a self contained economy relative to goods. |

Kaely Tanniss
Aurora Novae Aetatis
58
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Posted - 2014.11.10 04:00:01 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote: Inflation isn't about how much isk is in circulation
You heard it here folks. Inflation has nothing to do with currency devaluation. Currency devaluation???? Relative to what? That requires foreign currencies...eve has none.....I mean come on. If stuff is deflating (or deflating relative to Plex) that means that the rate of material growth exceeds the rate of isk growth. Your enemy should be mining, not incursions (and if isk growth really was your target, you should go after bounties). Edit - maybe you mean currency depreciation? But that also requires foreign currencies....and this would not explain inflation/deflation in a self contained economy relative to goods. 
Wait...what? So now you're an economic expert too Veers? You ARE one of the incursion runners...so of course you'd defend those actions. I have nothing against lucrative aspects of Eve..I do however have issues with the ability to do so without any risk. I know all too well how incursion fleets work..there is little risk unless you take someone who doesn't know what they're doing. Like Kaarous said, it is being used as an isk press and it is hurting the market..which honestly, I don't care about..but others do. The solution would be to make incursions occur only in low or null sec...then the risk would be equal to the rewards imo...you wouldn't dare fly that shiny nightmare into a lowsec/nullsec pocket..now that's risk vs reward..
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
252
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Posted - 2014.11.10 04:16:06 -
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Kaely Tanniss wrote:
Wait...what? So now you're an economic expert too Veers? You ARE one of the incursion runners...so of course you'd defend those actions. I have nothing against lucrative aspects of Eve..I do however have issues with the ability to do so without any risk. I know all too well how incursion fleets work..there is little risk unless you take someone who doesn't know what they're doing. Like Kaarous said, it is being used as an isk press and it is hurting the market..which honestly, I don't care about..but others do. The solution would be to make incursions occur only in low or null sec...then the risk would be equal to the rewards imo...you wouldn't dare fly that shiny nightmare into a lowsec/nullsec pocket..now that's risk vs reward..
Huh? Another deeply confused comment. And yes, I am an economic expert. Thanks for completely failing to refute the actual argument. 
As to the rest....Incursions are far, far risker than L4s, than AFK carrier ratting in Deklein, than AFK mining in sov null, than escalations in well controlled wormhole space, etc... Basically, the player powerblocs have made their space vastly safer than empire can ever be.
The market is not "hurting" as prices are dropping, not rising. I'm not sure how you determine "hurt," but I would suggest doing at least a bit of market research before spouting absurdities. I mean, prices are falling, but incursions (far less isk generated than bounties) are somehow "hurting" the market.   
There are incursions in low sec. Guess what happens....2 groups monopolize them and have a non-agression pact. This is good for the game how exactly? But your brilliant solution is to move even more content out of highsec and into player controlled space, where no one but members of the big power blocs can participate. And you wonder why CCP is worried about people in highsec getting bored and quitting the game.  
I mean if you care about risk/reward you should be advocating turning Deklein into a desolate wasteland where only L1s are available, and mining is impossible. But gee, somehow I don't see you doing that. It wouldn't really fit in with your nerf highsec agenda or crazy economic arguments.   |

Serene Repose
1604
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Posted - 2014.11.10 04:56:49 -
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You haven't figured this out yet? People who try to goad you into low sec are waiting there with their buddies to GANK YOU.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people will let their EGOS be their GUIDES. Are you NUTS? Speaking of nuts...that other thing...yes, your other head..."I'm a BIGGER man!" That has gotten more people into an early grave than cigarettes.
Low sec as an obligation to prove....One day you guys will learn. But, I ain't holdin' my breath. Neither are my sisters of the world.
Get to enjoy Mary Fivefingers. She's your buddy for life.
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
4829
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Posted - 2014.11.10 06:22:51 -
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The real reason not to go to lowsec has very little to do with the danger. The danger's just a tangiental factor.
The real reason not to go to lowsec is that for a significant hike in danger you don't get very much that you can't get in hisec, whereas for a not-so-significant hike in danger over lowsec you could go to nullsec and get way better stuff.
In essence the real reason not to go to low-sec is it's the least interesting place in the game.
Mane 614
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
312
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Posted - 2014.11.10 08:50:02 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:People constantly go after me for suggesting the boogyman is around every corner in lowsec, anyone, everyone + their alts and PL dreads are all after you specifically you and only you just because you are in lowsec.
So I hadn't entered lowsec in months but the *content* decided to send me there, and while most supposed "carebears" would not do it I decided I would, since there might be an A-type in it at the end. Lets face it though, everyone is considered a carebear of some sort by everyone else.
So I get my destroyer, the first jump is clear, second jump is a full overview gatecamp, and the game decided that this was the jump to not select the next stargate but the previous stargate, so I lost my pod too. Wouldn't have mattered, I tried again with a tristan, all lows and rigs with low friction nozzle joints and nanofiber hull, lost that but jumped through.
I docked at a station, but what do you know? Only t2 modules for sale in the land of bittervets who love camping. So I fit a tristan and undock *instadied*, figures...
So I fit another one? The guy looted my wreck and left, thankfully the site was only a few frigates, but nothing dropped except a meta autocannon, i'm surprised at this point I wasn't probed down before even seeing the probed on d-scan, like what happened to my astero with that ancillary shield interceptor whom I obviously wasn't going to be able to kill because *one module to rule them all* ancillaries being as OP as they are.
So at least I left lowsec alive, the whole gatecamp jumped through with me, but only locked me and didn't scram. Maybe they figured it wasn't worth the kill this time, and I can't even get anything off the killrights, because 2 out of the 3 have a billion + in bounty and are all minus security status, even if they entered highsec who would need the killright to shoot?
Lowsec is "murphies law online". Might be a reason right there why so few use the "lowsec content". Won't be making that mistake again. Where's the reward for my risk? People suggest better ships, but why throw more isk into the grinder? That obviously doesn't make sense.
Edit: fixed some of the mangled words.
I don't know much about this game, but I've been exploring in Low and Null for some time, and honestly, if you're smart usually you get away with whatever you're trying to do. All I can say is that if you're strolling around without cloak - you will die! If you don't make Dotlan maps your friend - you will die! If you jump to 0 - you will die! If you dont manual pilot - you will die! That or fly an Inty. If you're one lonely Destroyer frolicking in the meadows of "lol-sec" TM looking for content - chances are that the Big Bad Wolf is right around the corner.
[i]"And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit
It never felt so good, I never felt so hid"[/i]
- Ramona McCandless, Untitled
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
291
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Posted - 2014.11.10 11:34:13 -
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This is really an AFK cloaking thread isn't it? |

Darth Schweinebacke
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2014.11.10 11:57:54 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
As to the rest....Incursions are far, far risker than L4s, than AFK carrier ratting in Deklein, than AFK mining in sov null, than escalations in well controlled wormhole space, etc... Basically, the player powerblocs have made their space vastly safer than empire can ever be.
The only risk in incursions is letting logi pilots into your fleet who do not know wtf they are doing which can easily be mitigated by using them as extra logi pilot on grid while you keep your trusted logis on field
(Veers: but that is bad for the ISK / hour)
Who cares?
Risk in eve can not be measured on the possibility of someone in your fleet being stupid but rather the possibilty of other players interfering with your business and the risk of that happening in 0.0 or LS is by far larger than it is in high sec.
If 0.0 is made safer than high sec this is only achieved by actually investing time into doing so, while in high sec you get the biggest chunk of your safety handed to you by ccp. And in 0.0 even with intel channels and everything the risk still remains and you need to constanlty pay attention to local and intel channels, while in high sec in most cases you only have to worry if you make yourself a target.
Also not everyone who would want to make ISK in 0.0 is in an alliance and has access to intel channels, should those people not be rewarded for taking a much larger risk than people in high sec?
btw. you sound a lot like IZ (if not even exactly like that)
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
481
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Posted - 2014.11.10 12:58:35 -
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Darth Schweinebacke wrote:while in high sec in most cases you only have to worry if you make yourself a target.
Couple of things:
That bar is a LOW lower than it once was. A couple of faction damage mods will do it.
Secondly - the population in high sec actually works against you. You can't always tell the threats. For example I saw about 15 catalysts undock from a mission hub the other month. All <31 days old characters, all in NPCs corps their whole life. Off they go on a killing rampage. Point I'm getting at was that local wont help you, Dscan is of greatly reduced use due to the clutter on it too. Whereas when I'm in low/null if it's not blue.....well....and I get the luxury of calling in the cav to pre-emptively pop threats should I so desire - or POSing up in a bubble of GTFO 
There is a lot to this, many variables are in play around the term "safety" but high sec is not as "safe" as people like to claim (this is no complaint from me), a LOT of people die in high sec.
If you forced me to categorise it I'd say you're at less risk of a ship loss in low/null when not actively seeking PvP, but at a higher risk of inconvenience to your activities compared to high.
But that is just my personal experience and how I approach each area of space. My PvE ships have come closer to death in high sec than they ever have in null/low due to ease of threat identification. |

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The problem with lowsec is that pretty much everyone there has 100+ mil SP and think their gangsters.
Not today spaghetti.
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