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The Tomonator Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates. 18	Posted - 2014.11.11 14:50:25 - [151] - Quote Hal Morsh wrote: Mharius Skjem wrote: You obviously lack experience, you need to check the map and learn how to move around in low sec. lowsec is as safe as highsec if you know what you are doing. No amount of map checking is going to tell me the ships sitting on the next gate, they could be anywhere. But put murphies law to it and they will only be there if I jump, so the best decision is to not jump. I figure if you put murphies law into the game you should be pretty safe. I decided against the obvious and lost stuff. Course having alts takes care of most of those problems, while friends do not. I mean whos wanting to jump into a meat grinder so their friend can jump through and go get his content. er ... the corpies who share their rewards, and don't remain insular and independent. There's a reason why some pople are successful in corps.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 259	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:30:28 - [152] - Quote Cancel Align NOW wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Cancel Align NOW wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: I think the problem with this logic is that it blames the individual new players as opposed to the experienced players. Can new players go to lowsec and set up shop? Of course not...it's a suicide mission. But then again the same applies to null and wormholes. Yet new players move there all the time. Why? Because corps are set up and recruit them. This is not true in lowsec...people don't set up lowsec PvE corps and recruit with them publicly. That tells me that the feeling is that lowsec PvE isn't really viable, and that the risk/reward doesn't justify creation and recruitment into lowsec corps. So it's not highsec risk aversion, it's experienced players deciding that a lowsec PvE corp just ain't worth it. Faction Warfare. Yep - that is the one part of lowsec that has activity and recruitment...and notice that risk aversion doesn't deter highsec players from joining. The question remains why there is no similar structure for doing PvE in lowsec given the substantial awards available. Faction warfare is both PVP and PVE The corps that recruit do it for the PvP. Note that you don't see L5 lowsec corps or lowsec mining corps or lowsec exploration corps recruiting....those folks all base out of high, wormholes, or sov null. But there seems to be almost no organized pure PvE activity in lowsec. That should tell you that those in the know don't see it is profitable in the current meta.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 2032	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:35:19 - [153] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: [That should tell you that those in the know don't see it is profitable in the current meta. It's more like those in the pew see it's fun to keep it unprofitable. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Jvpiter Jovelike 4	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:51:00 - [154] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: The corps that recruit do it for the PvP. Note that you don't see L5 lowsec corps or lowsec mining corps or lowsec exploration corps recruiting....those folks all base out of high, wormholes, or sov null. But there seems to be almost no organized pure PvE activity in lowsec. That should tell you that those in the know don't see it is profitable in the current meta. I apologize for my ignorance. Are there hisec L4 corps or successful hisec mining corps? I'd "venture" to say that there is no organized PVE activity anywhere in hisec or lowsec. Null and WH are a separate matter.
Lfod Shi Lfod's Ratting and Salvage 220	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:14:37 - [155] - Quote Geeze, after reading the OP, I wonder how I ever manage to zip in and out of low on such a regular basis! I must be doing it wrong. GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 6665	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:21:10 - [156] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Inflation isn't about how much isk is in circulation thank you veers, thank you soo much. this is actually the funniest thing you have typed yet. i may have peed a little. "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Gallowmere Rorschach Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 805	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:27:32 - [157] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Inflation isn't about how much isk is in circulation thank you veers, thank you soo much. this is actually the funniest thing you have typed yet. i may have peed a little. I can't believe that I actually just read what you quoted. Is this what the internet does to people?
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno. 4139	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:30:30 - [158] - Quote Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Inflation isn't about how much isk is in circulation thank you veers, thank you soo much. this is actually the funniest thing you have typed yet. i may have peed a little. I can't believe that I actually just read what you quoted. Is this what the internet does to people? incontinence has many causes. i haven't heard of internet usage being one of them e: argh, the 'what you quoted' phrase kills the joke
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 260	Posted - 2014.11.11 17:32:37 - [159] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Inflation isn't about how much isk is in circulation thank you veers, thank you soo much. this is actually the funniest thing you have typed yet. i may have peed a little. Ha! No time to explain this, but money supply does not determine inflation. You need to look at supply/demand curves, and here if stuff is increasing more than isk, that means more demand for isk, and deflation, even with increasing money supply. Exactly what is happening in Eve. Stop laughing and start thinking a bit.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 6667	Posted - 2014.11.11 17:34:20 - [160] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Inflation isn't about how much isk is in circulation thank you veers, thank you soo much. this is actually the funniest thing you have typed yet. i may have peed a little. Ha! No time to explain this, but money supply does not determine inflation. You need to look at supply/demand curves, and here if stuff is increasing more than isk, that means more demand for isk, and deflation, even with increasing money supply. Exactly what is happening in Eve. Stop laughing and start thinking a bit. i would if you'd stop saying pants on head ****** ** like that veers "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=

Jvpiter Jovelike 6	Posted - 2014.11.11 17:49:52 - [161] - Quote Veers, If people have easy access to ISK it's likely that the value of currency as a resource will decrease. This means that people are more willing to spend, and when they do spend they will fork out more ISK for things such as PLEX, the gold standard of EVE commodities. This is not to say that supply and demand don't play a part. I'm not sure it makes sense to deny the impact of an excess of ISK on inflation, defined as the devaluation of said currency.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 260	Posted - 2014.11.11 18:07:44 - [162] - Quote Jvpiter wrote: Veers, If people have easy access to ISK it's likely that the value of currency as a resource will decrease. This means that people are more willing to spend, and when they do spend they will fork out more ISK for things such as PLEX, the gold standard of EVE commodities. This is not to say that supply and demand don't play a part. I'm not sure it makes sense to deny the impact of an excess of ISK on inflation, defined as the devaluation of said currency. Sure, if the folks here were correct and Eve was being flooded with ISK (of course it would mainly be from bounties, NOT incursions), we would definitely expect Plex to inflate. BUT SO WOULD EVERY OTHER COMMODITY. So you will need to come up with a theory of why Plex is inflating, but everything else is deflating, which is entirely consistent with excessive mining, but totally inconsistent with Isk flooding. I mean you could perform a careful economic analysis and justify that result...which would be hard to do....or you could just point and yell INCURSIONS INCURSIONS. It's your choice.
Leoric Firesword Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Redux 91	Posted - 2014.11.11 18:14:46 - [163] - Quote you did it wrong. First, check the map for the lowsec systems you'll be going through, more than a few pilots? risk isn't worth it. Second MWD+Cloak, or even better cov ops cloak. If you can't do either, well you're a wreck waiting to happen. Those two things alone make you damned hard to kill in lowsec. Third, never just directly jump through the highsec->lowsec gate, warp to 0 make sure there's not someone sitting there, then jump. If someone is sitting there they are a scout for the gate camp on the other side. Fourth, NEVER and I mean NEVER expect the computer to do something for you. If you want it done right do it yourself (jump selection) Fifth, when jumping into low use your gate cloak (30 seconds I think it is) to evaluate the situation. All clear? keep going. Gate camp? either keep going (if you think you can get away) or try to burn back to the gate. I feel safer going to lowsec these days than going to a market hub. All kinds of crazy people there trying to gank you.
Jvpiter Jovelike 6	Posted - 2014.11.11 18:18:28 - [164] - Quote I think the objection to incursions is the ungodly amount of ISK available at little to no risk from PVP. However, I can't imagine incursions won't be farmed no matter what security space they are moved to. Without CONCORD we would simply see oligarchical control of incursion sites inside which people will be operating risk free.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 6669	Posted - 2014.11.11 18:31:04 - [165] - Quote Jvpiter wrote: I think the objection to incursions is the ungodly amount of ISK available at little to no risk from PVP. However, I can't imagine incursions won't be farmed no matter what security space they are moved to. Without CONCORD we would simply see oligarchical control of incursion sites inside which people will be operating risk free. risk free ish "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
NIFTYGetAtMe State Protectorate Caldari State 22	Posted - 2014.11.11 20:02:56 - [166] - Quote Mharius Skjem wrote: You obviously lack experience, you need to check the map and learn how to move around in low sec. lowsec is as safe as highsec if you know what you are doing. These kinds of posts always amuse me. "Lowsec is as safe as highsec if you know what you're doing". Well, driving your car is as safe as sitting on your couch if you know what you are doing. Until you get blasted in the ass by the truck driver who fell asleep at the wheel.
Owen Levanth Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration 336	Posted - 2014.11.11 20:17:57 - [167] - Quote I'm always mystified by people staying away from something in Eve just because it's dangerous. Back when I started, something similar like it is described in the OP happened to me. The difference is, I found it exciting and fun. So I guess different people, different tastes, eh?
Bullock Brawn Brawny inc 32	Posted - 2014.11.12 03:17:16 - [168] - Quote The thing is, the ISK all works out the same for Null, Low, High.. High Sec = Low Stress Sec Low Sec = Gang Sec Null Sec = Lonely Sec All Sec's allow you to buy anything in game... it's just how you enjoy playing. Just use a Free ship and visit as many low sec systems you can without getting blown up... Rinse and Repeat, then you'll get better at getting around town.
Yasique Gautier Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.11.12 07:39:52 - [169] - Quote I dont go to low-sec because it costs. Lost ship, lost implants, then mine at belts a week all items back. I dont want to sacrifice my time, efforts and posessions to someone's fun while I left to mine asteroids. Pleople who saying "making low-sec more fun" are hypocrites, they want more not-so-experienced players to go in so they can kill them and have fun. You not going to make fun at my expense, nope nope nope. Fly your empty space alone.
Cpt Lift-Leg Ahab Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 1	Posted - 2014.11.12 07:53:14 - [170] - Quote [quote=I am a Brave Newbie ... I live in Null. And so can you. [/quote] me too i am new to null. i have had more fun there than i ever had in high sec so many people to fleet up with. you should send a app over to brave! 7o fly reckless

Cancel Align NOW Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 218	Posted - 2014.11.12 08:03:19 - [171] - Quote Yasique Gautier wrote: I dont go to low-sec because it costs. Lost ship, lost implants, then mine at belts a week all items back. I dont want to sacrifice my time, efforts and posessions to someone's fun while I left to mine asteroids. Pleople who saying "making low-sec more fun" are hypocrites, they want more not-so-experienced players to go in so they can kill them and have fun. You not going to make fun at my expense, nope nope nope. Fly your empty space alone. Jump into a implant free clone. Buy a frigate. Fit it with web. warp disruptor. mwd. guns. damage mods. I can mine enough to afford to do that in 30 minutes in a Venture in a 2 week old alt.
The Tomonator Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates. 20	Posted - 2014.11.12 09:02:34 - [172] - Quote Leoric Firesword wrote: you did it wrong. Fifth, when jumping into low use your gate cloak (30 seconds I think it is) to evaluate the situation. All clear? keep going. Gate camp? either keep going (if you think you can get away) or try to burn back to the gate. you forgot the third option ... align to the nearest thing you're already vaguely aligned to, 'or' the thing that will align you 'away' from the gate (whichever is going to direct you away from the gate more) ... hit MWD/AB, and then cloak ... in as few milliseconds as possible ... once yopu're aligned, and still cloaed, keep going as long as you can ... as soon as they start getting to close to you, or put out drones, de-cloak, and hit warp. :)
Owen Levanth Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration 337	Posted - 2014.11.12 11:16:47 - [173] - Quote Yasique Gautier wrote: I dont go to low-sec because it costs. Lost ship, lost implants, then mine at belts a week all items back. I dont want to sacrifice my time, efforts and posessions to someone's fun while I left to mine asteroids. Pleople who saying "making low-sec more fun" are hypocrites, they want more not-so-experienced players to go in so they can kill them and have fun. You not going to make fun at my expense, nope nope nope. Fly your empty space alone. Too bad for you. Luckily as an explorer, I seldom lose one of my stealthy ships. Even with a wild PVP-adventure for some video project, a cov-ops lost thanks to me taking a rather obvious bait, a Stratios lost because I ignored my own scout-report and just jumped into a gigantic Russian gatecamp somewhere in Catch I think I've still lost more ships doing just PVE. Mining however is something I've tried and stopped pretty fast. It's boring as **. My industry-alt has mining skills, though: It's sometimes easier to just jump into a wormhole, mine out some high-end minerals and jump back than buying and transporting everything back to base. And holy ** can the Prospect take a punch, most of the time I can just mine until I'm full even with several Sleepers pummeling my shields like mad.
13kr1d1 Hedion University Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2014.11.12 11:23:55 - [174] - Quote Mharius Skjem wrote: You obviously lack experience, you need to check the map and learn how to move around in low sec. lowsec is as safe as highsec if you know what you are doing. That's pretty much a lie. A gatecamp is a sure loss. If you're the first person of today's kill, then you're not going to see ships destroyed in the map. Undocking from a station is an insta-loss when there's a sebo around. By the time the grid loads and you have control of your ship, you're already locked. [quote] So 50 retreivers and 1 ganker walk into a bar, and the ganker turns to all the retreivers and says "I know how to play this game, you're wrong, now give me your money and then let me blow you up". That's the joke. [/quote]
Owen Levanth Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration 337	Posted - 2014.11.12 11:31:46 - [175] - Quote 13kr1d1 wrote: Mharius Skjem wrote: You obviously lack experience, you need to check the map and learn how to move around in low sec. lowsec is as safe as highsec if you know what you are doing. That's pretty much a lie. A gatecamp is a sure loss. If you're the first person of today's kill, then you're not going to see ships destroyed in the map. Undocking from a station is an insta-loss when there's a sebo around. By the time the grid loads and you have control of your ship, you're already locked. This is so wrong it's funny. First off, I've survived many gatecamps and died in several other gatecamps, so it's obviously not a sure loss. Even if you're totally unlucky and really the first person finding them, you can still survive if your skills are better then their skills. Case closed. Undocking also isn't an insta-loss. Just make sure you have some bookmarks for insta-warp. And make sure your grid is loaded before you do anything: For a short time after leaving the station you're invincible. And if it looks like you won't get away, just don't panic, wait a few seconds and dock up before you've drifted to far away. (The waiting period is necessary because trying to redock makes you vulnerable again, but if you are too fast, the command fails. Then you're a sitting duck for a second before the server can process your next attempt at docking.)
Jvpiter Jovelike 25	Posted - 2014.11.12 13:41:20 - [176] - Quote 13kr1d1 wrote: That's pretty much a lie. A gatecamp is a sure loss. If you're the first person of today's kill, then you're not going to see ships destroyed in the map. Use an alt or a corpie as a scout. I'm not sure how it's possible to encounter a gate camp if you are using one. Quote: Undocking from a station is an insta-loss when there's a sebo around. By the time the grid loads and you have control of your ship, you're already locked. Undock. Hit ctrl+space. Survey your surroundings while you are invulnerable. You can dock back up and go do something else if you don't like what you see. And why would you ever operate without an instaundock?
13kr1d1 Hedion University Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2014.11.12 13:56:06 - [177] - Quote Jvpiter wrote: 13kr1d1 wrote: That's pretty much a lie. A gatecamp is a sure loss. If you're the first person of today's kill, then you're not going to see ships destroyed in the map. Use an alt or a corpie as a scout. I'm not sure how it's possible to encounter a gate camp if you are using one. Quote: Undocking from a station is an insta-loss when there's a sebo around. By the time the grid loads and you have control of your ship, you're already locked. Undock. Hit ctrl+space. Survey your surroundings while you are invulnerable. You can dock back up and go do something else if you don't like what you see. And why would you ever operate without an instaundock? 1. An alt is another account. So you're saying pay more money to actually play the game, or maybe to carebear by avoiding risk by throwing real world money at the situation? 2. By the time you can access your instaundock after undocking, sebo T3 ships have already locked and shot you, by virtue of the fact that you'll show up on grid before you actually load on your client side. At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10575	Posted - 2014.11.12 13:57:57 - [178] - Quote 13kr1d1 wrote: That's pretty much a lie. A gatecamp is a sure loss. If you're the first person of today's kill, then you're not going to see ships destroyed in the map. Nevermind the odds of that actually happening are hilariously unlikely, but the basic point is completely untrue to begin with. A gatecamp is not a "sure loss" in any way. Travel fit. Learn to love it. Quote: Undocking from a station is an insta-loss when there's a sebo around. By the time the grid loads and you have control of your ship, you're already locked. Another lie from you. They can't even target you at that point, and you should have an insta undock ready in such a situation anyway. If you genuinely are being killed on an undock before you load grid, then I suggest upgrading your router to the Potato 2.0. The original version is starting to show it's age. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno. 4144	Posted - 2014.11.12 14:04:03 - [179] - Quote 13kr1d1 wrote: 2. By the time you can access your instaundock after undocking, sebo T3 ships have already locked and shot you, by virtue of the fact that you'll show up on grid before you actually load on your client side. absolute bollocks
Khan Wrenth Hedion University Amarr Empire 80	Posted - 2014.11.12 14:10:09 - [180] - Quote Dude, lowsec is freaking awesome. Just head down there and announce in local that you're hauling some deadspace modules to a friend but you've heard something about a "NBSI" doctrine and would someone kindly come along and demonstrate it? You'd be amazed at the number of people that will stop everything they're doing to come and help you out with that. HTFU.-á Adapt or die.-á Beware the falcon punch.



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