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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:45:06 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: Higher - not high.
No, you're definitely high again.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:45:25 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
No time for your stupidity Remmie...suffice to say when awoxxing goes that's a pretty strong indication they exist with me and not with you.
Not interested in repsonding to the rest of your trolling - try harder.
They are not with you. You can think they are. But they are not. They even say the opposite of what you want. Here it goes again this is what CCP say about Eve:
CCP Falcon wrote:EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe. |
Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
5864
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:45:56 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
Higher - not high.
Maybe just stop taking the ganj altogether so your brains have a chance to grow back.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10604
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:46:58 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
Higher - not high.
Maybe just stop taking the ganj altogether so your brains have a chance to grow back.
Seriously, mon.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
268
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:48:19 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
No time for your stupidity Remmie...suffice to say when awoxxing goes that's a pretty strong indication they exist with me and not with you.
Not interested in repsonding to the rest of your trolling - try harder.
They are not with you. You can think they are. But they are not. They even say the opposite of what you want. Here it goes again this is what CCP say about Eve: CCP Falcon wrote:EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe.
So why is awoxxing going? Why is tear collecting on coms frowned upon? And why has concord been buffed and ganking nerfed? Focus on facts, not opinions. Buffing freighters was a fact, etc.... |
Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
5864
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:54:29 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
No time for your stupidity Remmie...suffice to say when awoxxing goes that's a pretty strong indication they exist with me and not with you.
Not interested in repsonding to the rest of your trolling - try harder.
They are not with you. You can think they are. But they are not. They even say the opposite of what you want. Here it goes again this is what CCP say about Eve: CCP Falcon wrote:EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe. So why is awoxxing going? Why is tear collecting on coms frowned upon? And why has concord been buffed and ganking nerfed? Focus on facts, not opinions. Buffing freighters was a fact, etc....
This is the same reasoning as saying, "oh they removed Thimerasol from vaccines so it MUST be dangerous". Even when they explicitly state that's not why it was done. You're visiting CCP's intentions without regard to their explicitly stated intentions, which demonstrates you to be a moron. Hence why calling you a moron is an accurate description, and not a personal attack.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:01:12 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
So why is awoxxing going? Why is tear collecting on coms frowned upon? And why has concord been buffed and ganking nerfed? Focus on facts, not opinions. Buffing freighters was a fact, etc....
Awoxing is going because Goons asked for it go. Tear collecting is taking an in game action and turning it into a real life humiliation. The last two occurred before you started playing and you only know about cause you tried to argue that ganking is way more common now that it ever has been.
If CCP say space should never be 100% safe then it won't be. That is as factual as you can get in eve Online.
Veers Belvar wrote:Focus on facts not opinions, nice disparaging cliche there there it goes the unfounded claim of the intellectual high ground coupled with the disparaging of the opponent.
True to form Veers regurgitates some more. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
268
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:19:55 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
So why is awoxxing going? Why is tear collecting on coms frowned upon? And why has concord been buffed and ganking nerfed? Focus on facts, not opinions. Buffing freighters was a fact, etc....
Awoxing is going because Goons asked for it go. Tear collecting is taking an in game action and turning it into a real life humiliation. The last two occurred before you started playing and you only know about cause you tried to argue that ganking is way more common now that it ever has been. If CCP say space should never be 100% safe then it won't be. That is as factual as you can get in eve Online. Veers Belvar wrote:Focus on facts not opinions, nice disparaging cliche there there it goes the unfounded claim of the intellectual high ground coupled with the disparaging of the opponent. True to form Veers regurgitates some more.
stop with cts, goons didnt kill awoxxing..ccp did. its bad for the game and discourages highsec corps, just like wardeccs, thefts, etc... I was here for both actions, btw, not sure what you are talking about.
Agree with space not being 100% safe, never said there should be no suicide ganking, but would like crackdowns on -10. Would also like more danger in sov null, which is far too safe.....and needs nerfed rewards as a result.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10604
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:22:21 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: Would also like more danger in sov null, which is far too safe.....and needs nerfed rewards as a result.
People like you should pray that CCP never does rebalance this game based on risk vs reward. Because if they do, there will be no income above 20mil/hr left in highsec when they're done.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
268
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:23:38 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote: Would also like more danger in sov null, which is far too safe.....and needs nerfed rewards as a result.
People like you should pray that CCP never does rebalance this game based on risk vs reward. Because if they do, there will be no income above 20mil/hr left in highsec when they're done.
Fine with that - Dekklein would max out at 5 mil....would wipe out sov null - everyone back to highsec. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10604
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:27:12 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote: Would also like more danger in sov null, which is far too safe.....and needs nerfed rewards as a result.
People like you should pray that CCP never does rebalance this game based on risk vs reward. Because if they do, there will be no income above 20mil/hr left in highsec when they're done. Fine with that - Dekklein would max out at 5 mil....would wipe out sov null - everyone back to highsec.
Nope.
Nullsec is only safe, in any way, as a result of player action.
Meanwhile the only risk that exists in highsec is a result of player action.
So like I said, if CCP ever does rebalance based on risk vs reward, highsec will finally be choked out like it deserves.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
268
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:33:57 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote: Would also like more danger in sov null, which is far too safe.....and needs nerfed rewards as a result.
People like you should pray that CCP never does rebalance this game based on risk vs reward. Because if they do, there will be no income above 20mil/hr left in highsec when they're done. Fine with that - Dekklein would max out at 5 mil....would wipe out sov null - everyone back to highsec. Nope. Nullsec is only safe, in any way, as a result of player action. Meanwhile the only risk that exists in highsec is a result of player action. So like I said, if CCP ever does rebalance based on risk vs reward, highsec will finally be choked out like it deserves.
Irrelevant - risk is risk and reward is reward. I would love a rebalance. Highsec is much riskier than sov null and deserves higher rewards. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10604
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:36:19 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: Irrelevant - risk is risk and reward is reward. I would love a rebalance. Highsec is much riskier than sov null and deserves higher rewards.
Highsec is far, far less risky according to CCP's own numbers. Destruction of ships is an order of magnitude higher in low and especially null. The only places in highsec that even make blips on the destruction map at all are the trade hubs and the chokepoints.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9001
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:03:33 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
It would make more sense to design the game so that everyone can get maximum enjoyment out of it.
That is not possible, nor is it goal worthy. Nothing in the existence of humanity has pleased everyone - let alone given everyone maximum enjoyment. When you have a game whose popularity is entirely due to catering to a specific niche, throwing away that niche for "everyone" is a good way to make sure that no one enjoys it. I for one question why his enjoyment of the game is so dependent on the removal of everything the game design actually stands for. Why not just play a different game?
Because some people are just plugged in wrong.
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
5864
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:13:08 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote: Would also like more danger in sov null, which is far too safe.....and needs nerfed rewards as a result.
People like you should pray that CCP never does rebalance this game based on risk vs reward. Because if they do, there will be no income above 20mil/hr left in highsec when they're done. Fine with that - Dekklein would max out at 5 mil....would wipe out sov null - everyone back to highsec. Nope. Nullsec is only safe, in any way, as a result of player action. Meanwhile the only risk that exists in highsec is a result of player action. So like I said, if CCP ever does rebalance based on risk vs reward, highsec will finally be choked out like it deserves. Irrelevant - risk is risk and reward is reward. I would love a rebalance. Highsec is much riskier than sov null and deserves higher rewards.
As per usual, no interest in the betterment of the game as a whole, just looking out for your own interests. It's literally no surprise to me, Veers, that you don't give one half a **** about anyone else's experience in this game but your own.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
268
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:15:47 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:
As per usual, no interest in the betterment of the game as a whole, just looking out for your own interests. It's literally no surprise to me, Veers, that you don't give one half a **** about anyone else's experience in this game but your own.
Try to think before you post. Given that risk/reward is an important metric, it makes no sense for sov null to be so lucrative given the lack of risk. The appropriate response is a major, major nerf.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
21036
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:24:09 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Try to think before you post. Given that risk/reward is an important metric, it makes no sense for sov null to be so lucrative given the lack of risk. The appropriate response is a major, major nerf.
That those in sov null chose to manage the risk a certain way doesn't mean there is a lack of risk.
That the risk has to be managed at all through coalitions and standings is a demonstration that the risk exists, not that sov null lacks risk.
Those same approaches are needed to a lesser extent in lowsec and not at all in highsec.
If nerfing is decided on the basis of risk, sov null would be the last place to be nerfed (NPC null to a lesser extent).
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
5868
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:24:35 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:
As per usual, no interest in the betterment of the game as a whole, just looking out for your own interests. It's literally no surprise to me, Veers, that you don't give one half a **** about anyone else's experience in this game but your own.
Try to think before you post. Given that risk/reward is an important metric, it makes no sense for sov null to be so lucrative given the lack of risk. The appropriate response is a major, major nerf.
Try to think at all, Beers, before you accuse anyone of not doing so. I know the risk of null sec, low sec, high sec, and wormhole. I've operated in a PVP capacity in ALL of them. You clearly lack the experience required to come to any conclusions about risk vs reward in areas of space you wouldn't survive alone in for more than about ten seconds.
Tell me, Beers, if the risk of nul is so much lower than high, why are you still in high?
No, my assessment of you is accurate, allow me to reiterate. It's literally no surprise to me, Veers, that you don't give one half a **** about anyone else's experience in this game but your own.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
269
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:30:26 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:
As per usual, no interest in the betterment of the game as a whole, just looking out for your own interests. It's literally no surprise to me, Veers, that you don't give one half a **** about anyone else's experience in this game but your own.
Try to think before you post. Given that risk/reward is an important metric, it makes no sense for sov null to be so lucrative given the lack of risk. The appropriate response is a major, major nerf. Try to think at all, Beers, before you accuse anyone of not doing so. I know the risk of null sec, low sec, high sec, and wormhole. I've operated in a PVP capacity in ALL of them. You clearly lack the experience required to come to any conclusions about risk vs reward in areas of space you wouldn't survive alone in for more than about ten seconds. Tell me, Beers, if the risk of nul is so much lower than high, why are you still in high? No, my assessment of you is accurate, allow me to reiterate. It's literally no surprise to me, Veers, that you don't give one half a **** about anyone else's experience in this game but your own.
Sov null is the safest space in the game for PvE players. See many AFK ratters in high? People AFK carrier rat with no CONCORD.
I'm not in null because I don't want to deal with the dysfunctional people running nullsec coalitions. I'm much happier with the "carebears" in high. Nothing to do with risk/reward - which is much better in sov null. |
Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
5868
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:33:37 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: Sov null is the safest space in the game for PvE players.
I'm not in null because I don't want to deal with the dysfunctional people running nullsec coalitions. I'm much happier with the "carebears" in high. Nothing to do with risk/reward - which is much better in sov null.
Let's say I believe your excuse, which I have no reason to and therefore don't believe you at all, your assertion is that risk is too low in sov nul, so new question.
Have you even spent enough time there to make an accurate assessment of that? Judging by your killboard, no, you have not, but I'll let you post your new excuse below and try to save face.
For the record, I know some of the 'dysfunctional' people running null and lowsec alliances and corporations, so for your excuse to work, you're going to have to prove to us what makes them dysfunctional rather than the actual reason being that you're just afraid and antisocial yourself. Do you know what low, null, and wormhole have that highsec didn't for the longest time, before CODE came along?
Community. And as it stands, in highsec, the only real communities there are MB and BU.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10605
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:35:12 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:See many AFK ratters in high?
You see more afk everything in highsec. Granted the belt rats aren't really worth killing, but it translates well into missioning anyway.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
269
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:35:28 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Veers Belvar wrote: Sov null is the safest space in the game for PvE players.
I'm not in null because I don't want to deal with the dysfunctional people running nullsec coalitions. I'm much happier with the "carebears" in high. Nothing to do with risk/reward - which is much better in sov null.
Let's say I believe your excuse, which I have no reason to and therefore don't believe you at all, your assertion is that risk is too low in sov nul, so new question. Have you even spent enough time there to make an accurate assessment of that? Judging by your killboard, no, you have not, but I'll let you post your new excuse below and try to save face.
Not spent much time there...have read a lot of articles about the PvE, spoken to people, and checked out killboards. I also did research when I considered moving out there. PvE in a place like Deklein is extremely safe. As is PvE in the farmville renterlands in the east. These people pile up isk with minimal risk - and that shows a fundamentally broken risk/reward system. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10605
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:36:08 -
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So yeah, any of you guys see any afk hauling in low and null?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
5870
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:37:09 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Veers Belvar wrote: Sov null is the safest space in the game for PvE players.
I'm not in null because I don't want to deal with the dysfunctional people running nullsec coalitions. I'm much happier with the "carebears" in high. Nothing to do with risk/reward - which is much better in sov null.
Let's say I believe your excuse, which I have no reason to and therefore don't believe you at all, your assertion is that risk is too low in sov nul, so new question. Have you even spent enough time there to make an accurate assessment of that? Judging by your killboard, no, you have not, but I'll let you post your new excuse below and try to save face. Not spent much time there...have read a lot of articles about the PvE,
And I've read a lot of articles about astrophysics but that doesn't mean I know where to find a new earth-like planet. You need more experience before I believe your bullshit.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10606
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:38:22 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:These people pile up isk with minimal risk - and that shows a fundamentally broken risk/reward system.
I can say exactly the same thing about incursions in highsec. Except that unlike your statement, it would be true.
Incursions should be removed from highsec entirely.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
269
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:39:14 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:These people pile up isk with minimal risk - and that shows a fundamentally broken risk/reward system. I can say exactly the same thing about incursions in highsec. Except that unlike your statement, it would be true. Incursions should be removed from highsec entirely.
belts and asteroids should be removed from sov null entirely. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10606
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:40:23 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:These people pile up isk with minimal risk - and that shows a fundamentally broken risk/reward system. I can say exactly the same thing about incursions in highsec. Except that unlike your statement, it would be true. Incursions should be removed from highsec entirely. belts and asteroids should be removed from sov null entirely.
No they shouldn't. Sov null does not have CONCORD, or cyno restrictions.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
5870
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:40:30 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:These people pile up isk with minimal risk - and that shows a fundamentally broken risk/reward system.
I seem to remember a certain someone bragging about how much isk they'd piled up with minimal risk in highsec once...
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
269
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:42:39 -
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At significant risk of course - from rats and from gankers, and never AFK. That's the difference between me and Goons, etc... I make my isk with real effort, and at significant risk. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
269
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:43:32 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:These people pile up isk with minimal risk - and that shows a fundamentally broken risk/reward system. I can say exactly the same thing about incursions in highsec. Except that unlike your statement, it would be true. Incursions should be removed from highsec entirely. belts and asteroids should be removed from sov null entirely. No they shouldn't. Sov null does not have CONCORD, or cyno restrictions.
It's far too easy and safe to AFK rat and AFK mine...given risk/reward we should force everyone out of there. Highsec is a lot more dangerous for PvE. |
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