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Mag's
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:44:11 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Because the game would absolutely collapse if highsec was for PvE, and low/null was for PvP. I mean without suicide ganking/awoxxing/wardeccs/scamming/theft Eve would absolute collapse.  Yes.
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:45:37 -
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Interestingly, while ignoring Falcon's (and thus CCP's) view in that very thread you stated you were not against eliminating high sec ganking - just altering the mechanics slightly. Now one month later and you want war decs out of High Sec.
Lies upon lies. |
Jvpiter
Jovelike
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:48:18 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
hahahhahahhaha.......highsec "maximizes isk" - you must be kidding? Heard of wormholes? nullsec? fw?
Maybe highsec has a lot of people because eve players are looking to AVOID risk? Maybe that's what the playerbase ENJOYS? Seems like the game might want to cater to what people WANT?
Gankers are not helping with the multibox problem. If anything they kill the casual players, and let the boxers win. CCP should ban isbotter and restrict players to 1 account logged on....not buff suicide ganking.
Read again. ISK isn't the only variable I mentioned. I also mentioned risk, time, and SP barrier of entry. To this I will also add skill required. All of these contribute to actual and perceived ISK per hour.
*) FW has risk associated, and requires skill
*) Wormholes have a high SP barrier of entry. Wormholes cannot be navigated without skill.
*) Nullsec has perceived risk, which appears to be enough to deter many pilots. Having spent time in null, I will also argue there is an SP barrier for entry, if we are talking PVE activity that will earn you decent ISK. Nullsec cannot be lived in without skill.
Since you didn't seem to catch the distinction the last time I said it, I'll try again. People and alts aren't the same thing.
You have no data to assert that there are more people in hisec. There are more alts in hisec, but it is not the same thing.
E: By "skill" I mean actual player skill. For example, mining in a Venture requires a low amount of actual player skill. I hope that makes sense. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:48:23 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Interestingly, while ignoring Falcon's (and thus CCP's) view in that very thread you stated you were not against eliminating high sec ganking - just altering the mechanics slightly. Now one month later and you want war decs out of High Sec.
Lies upon lies.
It's the end goal of every carebear, whether they admit to it or not.
Trammel.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:54:00 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Interestingly, while ignoring Falcon's (and thus CCP's) view in that very thread you stated you were not against eliminating high sec ganking - just altering the mechanics slightly. Now one month later and you want war decs out of High Sec.
Lies upon lies.
Huh? There is a place for high sec ganking, but not by -10s. Wardeccs are kinda useless atm and if they can't be fixed to stop curbstomping new/casual players, then ya, chuck em. Ditto for theft. |
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:56:53 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Interestingly, while ignoring Falcon's (and thus CCP's) view in that very thread you stated you were not against eliminating high sec ganking - just altering the mechanics slightly. Now one month later and you want war decs out of High Sec.
Lies upon lies. It's the end goal of every carebear, whether they admit to it or not. Trammel.
He also claimed that his 1 man upstart corporation was impervious to the war decs of CODE. Now he wants wardecs removed.
Well done CODE. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:58:25 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Interestingly, while ignoring Falcon's (and thus CCP's) view in that very thread you stated you were not against eliminating high sec ganking - just altering the mechanics slightly. Now one month later and you want war decs out of High Sec.
Lies upon lies. It's the end goal of every carebear, whether they admit to it or not. Trammel. He also claimed that his 1 man upstart corporation was impervious to the war decs of CODE. Now he wants wardecs removed. Well done CODE.
I'm immune cuz i stay in 1 man corp.
other players want to be in real corps and get stomped. Like awoxxing it encourages social isolation and is bad for the game.
Try to think before you post. |
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:01:53 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Interestingly, while ignoring Falcon's (and thus CCP's) view in that very thread you stated you were not against eliminating high sec ganking - just altering the mechanics slightly. Now one month later and you want war decs out of High Sec.
Lies upon lies. It's the end goal of every carebear, whether they admit to it or not. Trammel. He also claimed that his 1 man upstart corporation was impervious to the war decs of CODE. Now he wants wardecs removed. Well done CODE. I'm immune cuz i stay in 1 man corp. other players want to be in real corps and get stomped. Like awoxxing it encourages social isolation and is bad for the game. Try to think before you post.
Respond to Falcon. Everything else you post is meaningless.
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:06:38 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Interestingly, while ignoring Falcon's (and thus CCP's) view in that very thread you stated you were not against eliminating high sec ganking - just altering the mechanics slightly. Now one month later and you want war decs out of High Sec.
Lies upon lies. Huh? There is a place for high sec ganking, but not by -10s. Wardeccs are kinda useless atm and if they can't be fixed to stop curbstomping new/casual players, then ya, chuck em. Ditto for theft.
Veers Belvar wrote:Roll
Because the game would absolutely collapse if highsec was for PvE, and low/null was for PvP. I mean without suicide ganking/awoxxing/wardeccs/scamming/theft Eve would absolute collapse. Shocked
Stop back tracking and be honest - firstly with yourself. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:11:13 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Interestingly, while ignoring Falcon's (and thus CCP's) view in that very thread you stated you were not against eliminating high sec ganking - just altering the mechanics slightly. Now one month later and you want war decs out of High Sec.
Lies upon lies. Huh? There is a place for high sec ganking, but not by -10s. Wardeccs are kinda useless atm and if they can't be fixed to stop curbstomping new/casual players, then ya, chuck em. Ditto for theft. Veers Belvar wrote:Roll
Because the game would absolutely collapse if highsec was for PvE, and low/null was for PvP. I mean without suicide ganking/awoxxing/wardeccs/scamming/theft Eve would absolute collapse. Shocked Stop back tracking and be honest - firstly with yourself.
Game would survive if all ganking gone, doesn't mean the best thing to do is get rid of it. Use brain please.
As for CCP Falcon, I am fine with risk/reward. But given ganking highsec needs a big buff and null/whs need a huge nerf. Dump people deserved to get ganked. But empty ships should not be getting ganked. need eff punishments on -10s.
Busy playing, so short response. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:12:23 -
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He can't be honest with himself, narcissists do not have the capacity.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:15:30 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:He can't be honest with himself, narcissists do not have the capacity.
Keep trying trollboy. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:16:22 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:He can't be honest with himself, narcissists do not have the capacity.
any excuse to throw a Caravaggio around
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:19:45 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:He can't be honest with himself, narcissists do not have the capacity. any excuse to throw a Caravaggio around
If that had taken any longer to load, I might have died.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:20:30 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Interestingly, while ignoring Falcon's (and thus CCP's) view in that very thread you stated you were not against eliminating high sec ganking - just altering the mechanics slightly. Now one month later and you want war decs out of High Sec.
Lies upon lies. Huh? There is a place for high sec ganking, but not by -10s. Wardeccs are kinda useless atm and if they can't be fixed to stop curbstomping new/casual players, then ya, chuck em. Ditto for theft. Veers Belvar wrote:Roll
Because the game would absolutely collapse if highsec was for PvE, and low/null was for PvP. I mean without suicide ganking/awoxxing/wardeccs/scamming/theft Eve would absolute collapse. Shocked Stop back tracking and be honest - firstly with yourself. Game would survive if all ganking gone, doesn't mean the best thing to do is get rid of it. Use brain please. As for CCP Falcon, I am fine with risk/reward. But given ganking highsec needs a big buff and null/whs need a huge nerf. Dump people deserved to get ganked. But empty ships should not be getting ganked. need eff punishments on -10s. Busy playing, so short response.
"EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe."
CCP don't say you should be safe when empty, CCP say you are never safe, no matter what you are in or where you go.
You can keep telling me to use my brain in a poor attempt at asserting intellectual dominance, it does not change the fact the way you put forward your position then argue a different position is inherently dishonest.
That you can't see your own logical fallacies does not make me a poor thinker. It reflects on you. |
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:22:21 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:He can't be honest with himself, narcissists do not have the capacity. Keep trying trollboy.
Veers Belvar: Please refrain from name calling we are trying to keep this discussion civil. Just because others see you in a different light than you see yourself does not make them trolls, or boys.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:23:37 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:He can't be honest with himself, narcissists do not have the capacity. Keep trying trollboy. Veers Belvar: Please refrain from name calling we are trying to keep this discussion civil. Just because others see you in a different light than you see yourself does not make them trolls, or boys.
Because calling someone a narcissist isn't name calling. If you want to call out name calling - be consist. Don't play ISD if you are bad at it.
Edit - and CCP Falcon specifically referenced putting your eggs in 1 basket. Not empty ships. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:28:18 -
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While I am a boy, calling him a narcissist is not an insult, it's an observation. An acute one, I believe.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:29:22 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:He can't be honest with himself, narcissists do not have the capacity. Keep trying trollboy. Veers Belvar: Please refrain from name calling we are trying to keep this discussion civil. Just because others see you in a different light than you see yourself does not make them trolls, or boys. Because calling someone a narcissist isn't name calling. If you want to call out name calling - be consist. Don't play ISD if you are bad at it. Edit - and CCP Falcon specifically referenced putting your eggs in 1 basket. Not empty ships.
1. I am not playing iSD so I can not be bad at it.
2. He didn't call you a narcissist. He presented a sentence where the reader could come to their own conclusion being lead by him with out him directly saying it.
3. CCP Falcon was not talking about putting eggs in one basket in the second quote he was talking about what is fundamentally Eve. Here it goes again please stop avoiding it.
CCP Falcon wrote:EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe.
No eggs, no baskets, no safety, anywhere. |
Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms.
Don't Tell Me The Odds
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:29:41 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:much popularity is due to highsec PvE
lolwut? Are you high? The PVE in EVE is some of the most generic, bland, predictable and repetitive crap in gaming ever. It's like that for a reason, EVE is a PVP-centric game. That's what keeps the best players playing, the ones who actually own, hold, and/or control space, be it high sec, low sec, null, or wormhole. If you don't PVP, then you contribute nothing to the game, you are part of nothing in the game, and you accumulate nothing but wealth in the game. This makes you, and your opinions of the game, irrelevant in every capacity. You might be playing it, but you aren't part of it.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Veers Belvar
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:30:44 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:While I am a boy, calling him a narcissist is not an insult, it's an observation. An acute one, I believe.
As is calling you a troll and delusional to boot. |
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:31:56 -
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EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe. |
Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms.
Don't Tell Me The Odds
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:31:59 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:While I am a boy, calling him a narcissist is not an insult, it's an observation. An acute one, I believe. As is calling you a troll and delusional to boot.
Nope, not until you prove it. Until then, it's a personal attack. Grow up.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Veers Belvar
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:33:31 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:While I am a boy, calling him a narcissist is not an insult, it's an observation. An acute one, I believe. As is calling you a troll and delusional to boot. Nope, not until you prove it. Until then, it's a personal attack. Grow up.
The better course is to stop all the name calling and then nothing needs to be proved. Unlikely Kauros will agree to that. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:37:34 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:While I am a boy, calling him a narcissist is not an insult, it's an observation. An acute one, I believe. As is calling you a troll and delusional to boot.
A narcissist often relies on the tactic of accusing others of having flaws he himself possesses.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms.
Don't Tell Me The Odds
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:38:26 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:While I am a boy, calling him a narcissist is not an insult, it's an observation. An acute one, I believe. As is calling you a troll and delusional to boot. Nope, not until you prove it. Until then, it's a personal attack. Grow up. The better course is to stop all the name calling and then nothing needs to be proved. Unlikely Kauros will agree to that.
First of all, 'personal attack' and 'accurate description' are mutually exclusive. Secondly, how the hell did you manage to spell Kaarous' name wrong with it written right there in the post you were quoting?
You're on these forums all the time posting the most arrogant, narcissistic tripe I've ever seen from anyone, even more than James 315. At least when he posts, people are entertained. All your drivel does is give me diarrhea. Your opinions about EVE PVP are so far against the grain, so far against the nature of the game, that we have determined you have no interest in the game as it was intended, and as it has developed, for more than a decade. You can bet your bottom dollar, and make a million back easily, if you were to bet that CCP think you're as much of a moron regarding EVE as we do. The difference is, they need to be professional on the forums and maintain an air of civility.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:38:56 -
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Hmmm....
When Veers started posting his threads/posts were more entertaining than typical Dinsdale/Gevlon/Infinity Ziona posts, as where the responses that he managed to provoke.
But now the overall level of quality has gone down quite a bit, deteriorating to the usual poo slinging that dominates these forums. Disappointing. |
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:42:06 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:While I am a boy, calling him a narcissist is not an insult, it's an observation. An acute one, I believe. As is calling you a troll and delusional to boot. Nope, not until you prove it. Until then, it's a personal attack. Grow up. The better course is to stop all the name calling and then nothing needs to be proved. Unlikely Kauros will agree to that.
Your posts are becoming a little formulaic.
Step 1. Moral/Intellectual High Ground Claim
Step 2. Undermine my own moral high ground by implying others are worse.
Sometimes you switch the order, sometimes you include tangents or perceived links to other things that we can see are unrelated.
The best bit is you don't seem to understand that you do it.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:42:35 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:While I am a boy, calling him a narcissist is not an insult, it's an observation. An acute one, I believe. As is calling you a troll and delusional to boot. Nope, not until you prove it. Until then, it's a personal attack. Grow up. The better course is to stop all the name calling and then nothing needs to be proved. Unlikely Kauros will agree to that. First of all, 'personal attack' and 'accurate description' are mutually exclusive. Secondly, how the hell did you manage to spell Kaarous' name wrong with it written right there in the post you were quoting? You're on these forums all the time posting the most arrogant, narcissistic tripe I've ever seen from anyone, even more than James 315. At least when he posts, people are entertained. All your drivel does is give me diarrhea. Your opinions about EVE PVP are so far against the grain, so far against the nature of the game, that we have determined you have no interest in the game as it was intended, and as it has developed, for more than a decade. You can bet your bottom dollar, and make a million back easily, if you were to bet that CCP think you're as much of a moron regarding EVE as we do. The difference is, they need to be professional on the forums and maintain an air of civility.
No time for your stupidity Remmie...suffice to say when awoxxing goes that's a pretty strong indication they agree with me and not with you.
Not interested in repsonding to the rest of your trolling - try harder. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:43:56 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:While I am a boy, calling him a narcissist is not an insult, it's an observation. An acute one, I believe. As is calling you a troll and delusional to boot. Nope, not until you prove it. Until then, it's a personal attack. Grow up. The better course is to stop all the name calling and then nothing needs to be proved. Unlikely Kauros will agree to that. Your posts are becoming a little formulaic. Step 1. Moral/Intellectual High Ground Claim Step 2. Undermine my own moral high ground by implying others are worse. Sometimes you switch the order, sometimes you include tangents or perceived links to other things that we can see are unrelated. The best bit is you don't seem to understand that you do it.
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