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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10606
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:45:26 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: Highsec is a lot more dangerous for PvE.
No it's not. Far, far less people die in highsec than anywhere else. Once again, those are CCP's own stats from the destruction map they were nice enough to provide us.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
269
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:47:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote: Highsec is a lot more dangerous for PvE. No it's not. Far, far less people die in highsec than anywhere else. Once again, those are CCP's own stats from the destruction map they were nice enough to provide us.
Yes, but FAR more people die doing PvE in highsec than doing PvE in sov null. As far as PvE goes, which is where the rewards are, highsec is much more dangerous. PvE in sov null is downright boring and safe...hence AFK miners and ratters. |

Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
5871
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:47:25 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:These people pile up isk with minimal risk - and that shows a fundamentally broken risk/reward system. I can say exactly the same thing about incursions in highsec. Except that unlike your statement, it would be true. Incursions should be removed from highsec entirely. belts and asteroids should be removed from sov null entirely. No they shouldn't. Sov null does not have CONCORD, or cyno restrictions. It's far too easy and safe to AFK rat and AFK mine...given risk/reward we should force everyone out of there. Highsec is a lot more dangerous for PvE.
How dangerous any area of space is depends entirely on how the pilot mitigates the risks to them. That is made incredibly easy to do in highsec. People get ganked in highsec because they think they're 100% safe. Because they don't understand the risk. The people who survive understand the risk. That doesn't make highsec more risky than nullsec or low though.
Veers, I know your whole argument revolved around you getting more out of highsec because you're just too afraid to venture elsewhere and/or actually mingle with people and make some friends in this MMO. Nothing that you've said, nothing at all, none of your excuses, give me reason to believe otherwise. Let us know when you grow a pair so we can consider your opinions relevant.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
5871
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:48:47 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote: Highsec is a lot more dangerous for PvE. No it's not. Far, far less people die in highsec than anywhere else. Once again, those are CCP's own stats from the destruction map they were nice enough to provide us. Yes, but FAR more people die doing PvE in highsec than doing PvE in sov null. As far as PvE goes, which is where the rewards are, highsec is much more dangerous. PvE in sov null is downright boring and safe...hence AFK miners and ratters.
You don't know much about statistical probability, do you. That's because there are more people doing PVE in highsec than there are doing PVE in low and null. OF COURSE more of them will be dying in high as a result, because there's more to begin with.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10606
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:49:29 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: Yes, but FAR more people die doing PvE in highsec than doing PvE in sov null.
Nope.
About three times less die in highsec. Per capita anyway.
Quote:PvE in sov null is downright boring and safe...hence AFK miners and ratters.
Highsec is too safe, hence afk everything.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6770
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:55:41 -
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You don't even need a counter like that remiel, not 20 minutes ago he was bragging about eexactly the thing he's complaining about here in another thread.
Wev pointed, we've laughed, good God have we laughed (some of us May have even wet ourselves a little) but quite frankly veers will never have any meaningful impact on anything in eve and certainly wount be contributing anything of merit, I find his desperation for attention quite ugly, transparent and wearing at the momentum and I'm sure others feel tthe same. Can we just forget this halfbaked dinsdinsdale-de product of lust and let it fade back into whatever obscure hole it came from.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10607
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:57:24 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:You don't even need a counter like that remiel, not 20 minutes ago he was bragging about eexactly the thing he's complaining about here in another thread. Wev pointed, we've laughed, good God have we laughed (some of us May have even wet ourselves a little) but quite frankly veers will never have any meaningful impact on anything in eve and certainly wount be contributing anything of merit, I find his desperation for attention quite ugly, transparent and wearing at the momentum and I'm sure others feel tthe same. Can we just forget this halfbaked dinsdinsdale-de product of lust and let it fade back into whatever obscure hole it came from.
I have to say, I laughed until I choked when he said that inflation has nothing to do with currency devaluation.
That was priceless.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
5871
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:58:19 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:veers will never have any meaningful impact on anything in eve and certainly wount be contributing anything of merit
Which I've been trying to establish for a long time now so that people can just ignore him and move on. My last reply to him above was literally my last reply to him ever. I've got more important things to worry about that some irrelevant highsec carebear scrublord with a superiority complex.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
51
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:59:17 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Or, some of us, like me, enjoy the safety and security of highsec. Being able to run L4s and incursions with minimal risk, no dscan, and infallible CONCORD allies. Personally I find that a lot more rewarding than dealing with the irritating dangers of lowsec.
Veers Belvar wrote:Sov null is the safest space in the game for PvE players. See many AFK ratters in high? People AFK carrier rat with no CONCORD.
I'm not in null because I don't want to deal with the dysfunctional people running nullsec coalitions. I'm much happier with the "carebears" in high. Nothing to do with risk/reward - which is much better in sov null.
Veers Belvar wrote:At significant risk of course - from rats and from gankers, and never AFK. That's the difference between me and Goons, etc... I make my isk with real effort, and at significant risk.
My head is spinning with your myriad contradictions.
First you say you PVE in hisec because it's safe and no risk.
Then you say null is safe too. Well, if it is, why wouldn't you go there?
Then you say hisec is not safe and risky.
How can a single person say completely different and contradictory things and expect people to take his arguments seriously?
Please explain. |

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
269
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Posted - 2014.11.13 04:12:50 -
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Jvpiter wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Or, some of us, like me, enjoy the safety and security of highsec. Being able to run L4s and incursions with minimal risk, no dscan, and infallible CONCORD allies. Personally I find that a lot more rewarding than dealing with the irritating dangers of lowsec. Veers Belvar wrote:Sov null is the safest space in the game for PvE players. See many AFK ratters in high? People AFK carrier rat with no CONCORD.
I'm not in null because I don't want to deal with the dysfunctional people running nullsec coalitions. I'm much happier with the "carebears" in high. Nothing to do with risk/reward - which is much better in sov null. Veers Belvar wrote:At significant risk of course - from rats and from gankers, and never AFK. That's the difference between me and Goons, etc... I make my isk with real effort, and at significant risk. My head is spinning with your myriad contradictions. First you say you PVE in hisec because it's safe and no risk. Then you say null is safe too. Well, if it is, why wouldn't you go there? Then you say hisec is not safe and risky. How can a single person say completely different and contradictory things and expect people to take his arguments seriously? Please explain.
Highsec has safety from CONCORD...but enough risk from rats and gankers that you need to be at keyboard. Sov null should have tremendous risk, but due to player alliances has essentially none...which leads to AFK play.
I don't go to null because of the socially dysfunctional people running the place.
To recap, since you are finding this hard - I enjoy the protection from ganking in highsec, but also the risk of rats and gankers. Sov null has essentially no risk, and inflated rewards.
Clear now?
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
269
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Posted - 2014.11.13 04:13:39 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:veers will never have any meaningful impact on anything in eve and certainly wount be contributing anything of merit Which I've been trying to establish for a long time now so that people can just ignore him and move on. My last reply to him above was literally my last reply to him ever. I've got more important things to worry about that some irrelevant highsec carebear scrublord with a superiority complex.
Excellent! The stupidity was harming my eardrums...I look forward to never hearing from you again. |

Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
5871
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Posted - 2014.11.13 04:18:56 -
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Everyone that responds to Veers is giving him relevance he hasn't earned, so I'm going to play a little game. When Christmas comes, I'm going to be going on a 50 billion isk Santa trip around new Eden delivering presents to a bunch of people on the forums, both people I like and don't like. Anyone I see replying to Veers from this post on gets crossed off my list.
Maybe I'll contract you some coal in Jita.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
270
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Posted - 2014.11.13 04:22:33 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Everyone that responds to Veers is giving him relevance he hasn't earned, so I'm going to play a little game. When Christmas comes, I'm going to be going on a 50 billion isk Santa trip around new Eden delivering presents to a bunch of people on the forums, both people I like and don't like. Anyone I see replying to Veers from this post on gets crossed off my list.
Maybe I'll contract you some coal in Jita.
Great. and if you could get Kauros, Ralphie, Jenn, Tengu, and the rest of the griefer troll folks to stop as well, that would be great. Hearing from the same suicide gank trolls over and over gets a bit boring...not to mention their general cluelessness about the game. |

Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
5871
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Posted - 2014.11.13 04:39:57 -
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So I'm about to go balls deep into a capital tower op in lowsec in my Ishkur leading a small frigate wing in what is possible going to be one hell of a **** fight. Way more fun than PVE since nothing our enemy is going to do is predictable. Beats the hell out of incursion running, especially in high sec. Killed a Chimera in the Ishkur earlier today too, you don't get to do that in high sec. It's been a fun thread (cough) but I'm afraid I have to bid you all adieu.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
814
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Posted - 2014.11.13 05:11:18 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ocih wrote:
rubbish
I lived in Solitude low sec for the first 8 months of EVE. There is no 'empty low sec'.
This is a lie. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=postmessage&t=384372&f=258&q=5202697 Notice the systems lela and keri. Their are plenty of low sec systems with fewer than 20 jump in per 24 hours, tha'ts pretty empty. And even if it's not empty, again, low sec pve is done in deadspace, it's easy to evade people trying to kill you. High Sec income can't compete with the 500 mil per hour a guy who can fly a carrier can make. I lived my 1st year in high sec listening to people like you lie to me about EVE. After faction warfare came out i joined, learned the ropes, and learned that low sec only requires an ounce more effort to be pretty safe to live in. I don't really care if high sec people learn this or not, I'm just correcting an untruth that I suffered from, that made me miss a whole YEAR of fun and loot because dumb but well meaning people were risk averse. This is why now i take new players with my to low to show them how not scary it is. Quote: There is roamed low sec and camped low sec. Roamed low sec has restricted PvE opportunity cycles and those cycles don't compete with high sec income. The only way low sec is more lucrative than high sec is if you have undisputed PvE because it's all a farm game.
Low sec stations are still an alternative for making capital parts if you have no/ refuse to affiliate yourself with Null Sov entities. It could have been a haven for introduction PI but 30% and up tax sunk that ship long ago.
Low sec is better for solo individual isk making that high sec or null sec or wormhole space (you need an organization in wormhole space to pull out better isk per hour than you can solo in low sec). As i told another guy in this thread, I'm not making this stuff up.Or this.Or this either.I don't know of a solo pve activity in high sec or null or wormhole space (with the exception of solo Dreads in c5 wormholes, which I have never done) that pays better than 200 mil per hour sustainably purely solo. ALL of the pve activities I listed above do that (because I do them depending on my mood, I have 3 carriers in adjacent systems for lvl 5s, 2 toons in 2 different militias and a naga + stabber fleet issue in a low sec sisters of EVE station). And with the exception of lvl 5s, the things i do to make isk in low require CHEAP low sp ships. I'll bet you any amount you want Ocih that you've never even tried some of the things I've linked, yet here you are telling people "don't even try". Perhaps the underling motivation is the same as the old saying of "misery loves company", but other than that, i can't figure out why folks like you believe what you do. I'm serious, try it if you don't believe me. find the right area of low sec, get you a naga and see what you can do.
GL selling LOLSec. Lets keep it real,
Every low sec gate you jump through doubles your ISK, triple for .1 sec API verified.. |

Jvpiter
Jovelike
53
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Posted - 2014.11.13 05:58:55 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Highsec has safety from CONCORD...but enough risk from rats and gankers that you need to be at keyboard. Sov null should have tremendous risk, but due to player alliances has essentially none...which leads to AFK play.
I don't go to null because of the socially dysfunctional people running the place.
You certainly are manufacturing "facts" here. PVE in null is not AFK play. It depends on what alliance and what null system, under which sovereignty umbrella, you are in.
You are making gross generalizations about an area of space which you admittedly have never operated in, for reasons that make no sense. Socially dysfunctional people? These socially dysfunctional people inspire the most visible player-driven publicity that EVE has.
You won't find any articles about Veers surviving incursion rats. You will find plenty of buzz about massive battles in null and the criminal content generated there.
Quote:To recap, since you are finding this hard - I enjoy the protection from ganking in highsec, but also the risk of rats and gankers. Sov null has essentially no risk, and inflated rewards.
Clear now?
*) You enjoy the free protection from gankers but gankers are a threat.
*) You don't like people AFKing in null but it's a terrible crime that you can't go AFK yourself.
*) The rats in WH and null are insanely tough, to my low SP pilots, but apparently tough rats in hisec is a problem CCP needs to fix.
Was your post meant to clear up your contradictions? Seems as if these contradictions are breeding and multiplying!
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
272
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Posted - 2014.11.13 06:07:48 -
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Jvpiter wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Highsec has safety from CONCORD...but enough risk from rats and gankers that you need to be at keyboard. Sov null should have tremendous risk, but due to player alliances has essentially none...which leads to AFK play.
I don't go to null because of the socially dysfunctional people running the place. You certainly are manufacturing "facts" here. PVE in null is not AFK play. It depends on what alliance and what null system, under which sovereignty umbrella, you are in. You are making gross generalizations about an area of space which you admittedly have never operated in, for reasons that make no sense. Socially dysfunctional people? These socially dysfunctional people inspire the most visible player-driven publicity that EVE has. You won't find any articles about Veers surviving incursion rats. You will find plenty of buzz about massive battles in null and the criminal content generated there. Quote:To recap, since you are finding this hard - I enjoy the protection from ganking in highsec, but also the risk of rats and gankers. Sov null has essentially no risk, and inflated rewards.
Clear now?
*) You enjoy the free protection from gankers but gankers are a threat. *) You don't like people AFKing in null but it's a terrible crime that you can't go AFK yourself. *) The rats in WH and null are insanely tough, to my low SP pilots, but apparently tough rats in hisec is a problem CCP needs to fix. Was your post meant to clear up your contradictions? Seems as if these contradictions are breeding and multiplying!
Vast majority of PvE in sov null is done afk....ratting and mining lend themselves to it.
I could do without the nullsec drama, the backstabbing, the petty arguments, the awoxxing... that whole area of space has no use to me. If they enjoy it, then keep at it. I'm much happier in highsec.
I do enjoy a police force that vaporizes gankers in highsec...my job is to survive for the 20 secs til the police show...that takes skill. In many parts of sov null there are no gankers or hostiles period...there is no skill involved...everyone is doing PvE AFK and living to tell the tale.
I think that it should be impossible to make isk while afk. I am fine with afk travel being safe in highsec...but no PvE should be doable AFK. My incursions cannot be done afk, nullsec PvE can.
I actually think highsec could use tougher rats and higher rewards. Nullsec needs rats that can destroy AFK carriers...the current ones are useless against caps.
Anything else? |

Kaely Tanniss
Aurora Novae Aetatis
61
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Posted - 2014.11.13 06:47:25 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Everyone that responds to Veers is giving him relevance he hasn't earned, so I'm going to play a little game. When Christmas comes, I'm going to be going on a 50 billion isk Santa trip around new Eden delivering presents to a bunch of people on the forums, both people I like and don't like. Anyone I see replying to Veers from this post on gets crossed off my list.
Maybe I'll contract you some coal in Jita.
Wow...that's going to be super tough...
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
54
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Posted - 2014.11.13 06:54:17 -
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In any rational discussion, you can't just say whatever you want and expect it to be treated as a fact. You don't seem to ever step up to meet your burden of proof.
Your argument:
*) Hisec has more people than any other sec <-- never presented any data. Also, I said people, not alts.
*) Surviving 20 seconds against a gank is hard <-- this is not even true
*) Rats in hisec are hard <-- it's a game. If you think ratting in hisec is hard, then go into F&I and start a thread
*) All PVE in null is AFK <-- not true from my experience. You never presented any data
*) Income in null is higher than in hisec <-- never presented any data
*) People in nullsec are dysfunctional <-- this is not even true. You never presented any data. We both know you actually don't know any of these people
*) More PVE deaths occur in hisec but anywhere else <-- of course it does, hisec has more people. You also never presented any data
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
243
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Posted - 2014.11.13 07:00:36 -
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Jvpiter wrote:
In any rational discussion, you can't just say whatever you want and expect it to be treated as a fact. You don't seem to ever step up to meet your burden of proof.
Your argument:
*) Hisec has more people than any other sec <-- never presented any data. Also, I said people, not alts.
*) Surviving 20 seconds against a gank is hard <-- this is not even true
*) Rats in hisec are hard <-- it's a game. If you think ratting in hisec is hard, then go into F&I and start a thread
*) All PVE in null is AFK <-- not true from my experience. You never presented any data
*) Income in null is higher than in hisec <-- never presented any data
*) People in nullsec are dysfunctional <-- this is not even true. You never presented any data. We both know you actually don't know any of these people
*) More PVE deaths occur in hisec but anywhere else <-- of course it does, hisec has more people. You also never presented any data
You are missing one valid point Jvpiter. This is not a rational discussion.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
272
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Posted - 2014.11.13 07:01:36 -
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Jvpiter wrote:
In any rational discussion, you can't just say whatever you want and expect it to be treated as a fact. You don't seem to ever step up to meet your burden of proof.
Your argument:
*) Hisec has more people than any other sec <-- never presented any data. Also, I said people, not alts.
*) Surviving 20 seconds against a gank is hard <-- this is not even true
*) Rats in hisec are hard <-- it's a game. If you think ratting in hisec is hard, then go into F&I and start a thread
*) All PVE in null is AFK <-- not true from my experience. You never presented any data
*) Income in null is higher than in hisec <-- never presented any data
*) People in nullsec are dysfunctional <-- this is not even true. You never presented any data. We both know you actually don't know any of these people
*) More PVE deaths occur in hisec but anywhere else <-- of course it does, hisec has more people. You also never presented any data
Blah blah blah - data - blah blah blah.
Feel free to start the Pew Polling institute for Eve. No hard data exists. Thankfully we have logic and common sense...and as usual all of my points are correct.
Do you have any actual arguments, or do you just want to scream DATA and preclude any fruitful discussion? |

Carmen Electra
The Scope Gallente Federation
12926
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Posted - 2014.11.13 07:17:03 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:You are missing one valid point Jvpiter. This is not a rational discussion.
Confirming that GD causes cancer.
Bacon makes us stronger
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
243
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Posted - 2014.11.13 07:31:21 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
Blah blah blah - data - blah blah blah.
Feel free to start the Pew Polling institute for Eve. No hard data exists. Thankfully we have logic and common sense...and as usual all of my points are correct.
Do you have any actual arguments, or do you just want to scream DATA and preclude any fruitful discussion?
You preclude any discussion by stating your position is correct all the time. Keep up your display of narcissism as you make the rest of us look intelligent and rational.
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Kaely Tanniss
Aurora Novae Aetatis
62
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Posted - 2014.11.13 07:31:35 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Jvpiter wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Or, some of us, like me, enjoy the safety and security of highsec. Being able to run L4s and incursions with minimal risk, no dscan, and infallible CONCORD allies. Personally I find that a lot more rewarding than dealing with the irritating dangers of lowsec. Veers Belvar wrote:Sov null is the safest space in the game for PvE players. See many AFK ratters in high? People AFK carrier rat with no CONCORD.
I'm not in null because I don't want to deal with the dysfunctional people running nullsec coalitions. I'm much happier with the "carebears" in high. Nothing to do with risk/reward - which is much better in sov null. Veers Belvar wrote:At significant risk of course - from rats and from gankers, and never AFK. That's the difference between me and Goons, etc... I make my isk with real effort, and at significant risk. My head is spinning with your myriad contradictions. First you say you PVE in hisec because it's safe and no risk. Then you say null is safe too. Well, if it is, why wouldn't you go there? Then you say hisec is not safe and risky. How can a single person say completely different and contradictory things and expect people to take his arguments seriously? Please explain. Highsec has safety from CONCORD...but enough risk from rats and gankers that you need to be at keyboard. Sov null should have tremendous risk, but due to player alliances has essentially none...which leads to AFK play. I don't go to null because of the socially dysfunctional people running the place. To recap, since you are finding this hard - I enjoy the protection from ganking in highsec, but also the risk of rats and gankers. Sov null has essentially no risk, and inflated rewards. Clear now?
You don't go to null because you're a coward..plain and simple.
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
59
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Posted - 2014.11.13 07:34:29 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Blah blah blah - data - blah blah blah.
Feel free to start the Pew Polling institute for Eve. No hard data exists. Thankfully we have logic and common sense...and as usual all of my points are correct.
Do you have any actual arguments, or do you just want to scream DATA and preclude any fruitful discussion?
I do have actual arguments.
*) Awoxing is not the massive problem that yourself and some members of CSM are making it out to be. The data we do have, which is sufficient, shows it neither to be a common occurrence, nor a demotivator for hisec players to join player corps.
*) You can survive 20 seconds against gankers, given the ridiculous EHP your fits are sporting. I think you can survive much longer, i.e. minutes, so CONCORD response times should be revisited.
*) Move all profitable ores to lowsec or lower. This has already the scheme implemented for exploration sites, since exploration rewards in hisec is mice nuts. Leave some minimal ore belts in rookie systems.
*) Same as above for incursion sites.
*) Reduce L4 payout or move L4 to low.
*) The above 3 suggestions will diversify EVE population between high (trading?) and low (rewards of PVE)
*) Revamp ratting in null to eliminate the possibility of AFK
*) Revamp the physical activity of mining to eliminate AFK. This would have the added benefit of reducing gank kills, and discouraging botters.
The way to encourage players to interact with players is not reduce the overall risk. Reducing risk makes it less likely that players will need each other.
Instead, you take the food and move it into a more dangerous place. People will have to learn how to swim in order to survive.
I will not cover any opinions on NPC corps and wardecs because that is a much more complicated discussion. |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4146
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Posted - 2014.11.13 07:34:57 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Do you have any actual arguments, or do you just want to scream DATA and preclude any fruitful discussion? an argument consists of one or more statements and a premise
the argument is logically constructed in such a way that if the premise is true, the statements are also true
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
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Posted - 2014.11.13 07:49:10 -
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I think he fell asleep. Quick, does anyone have a magic marker so that we can draw on his face?
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Kaely Tanniss
Aurora Novae Aetatis
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Posted - 2014.11.13 07:57:40 -
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Jvpiter wrote:
I think he fell asleep. Quick, does anyone have a magic marker so that we can draw on his face?
That made me really laugh and wake up my daughter :/ ...oh well...it was worth it
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
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Posted - 2014.11.13 08:04:36 -
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We are neck and neck in Likes. This competition is ON.
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Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.13 08:07:05 -
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There goes one each. |
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