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July Manson
Breaking Bones
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:10:06 -
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That are great news, damned, i have to open up a beer! |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13994
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:10:12 -
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So honest question here. Is this rig still legit or is it also banned?
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Hulasikali Walla
Never Mind the Bollocks
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:11:00 -
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Great move CCP . |
Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
238
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:11:04 -
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*failpost*
[i]"Shoot at anything that moves. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway, it might move later."
"Do not be too positive. The light at the end of the tunnel could be a train." - Franz Kafka[/i]
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
1092
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:11:06 -
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ShadowandLight wrote:CCP Falcon, you stated multi boxing isn't banned in the thread of mine you locked. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5241567#post5241567 But In your own policy you seem to walk a very fine line between multi boxing and input duplication (using a mouse and keyboard to control multiple clients). Quote:Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing of actions with consequences in the EVE universe, are prohibited and will be policed in the same manner as Input Automation.
This includes, but isnGÇÖt limited to:
GÇóActivation and control of ships and modules GÇóNavigation and movement within the EVE universe GÇóMovement of assets and items within the EVE universe GÇóInteraction with other characters So per your last statement you called my post rumor mongering, which I really am not. The entire point of isboxer is to allow a mouse and keyboard to control multiple clients effectively. This will kill a major reason to use such software. The point is that isboxer has legitimate uses outside of input multiplexing, and that those uses aren't being banned. You can continue to use the CPU management properties of the software, as well as its ability to tile windows and its hotkeys for switching between them. Yes, the primary benefit of using the software is being castrated, but it does not render the whole thing against the rules.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Sarah Flynt
Federation Interstellar Resources Silent Infinity
57
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:11:18 -
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Who are you and what have you done to the CCP as we knew it (not only this change but what's been happening over maybe the last half year)?
The irony is that a woman had to take the helm in order for CCP to grow some balls.
I love it. Keep it up!
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Sir Constantin
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:11:41 -
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Goodbye ISBoxers! We wont miss you as you barely generate any content, only isk printing and deflation. If -10 isboxer = +2 real players that's a win for the game.
I'm gonna start paying for my alts just to counter the isboxer unsub rage! |
Kant Boards
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:11:54 -
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Strata Maslav wrote:The SMUG in this thread is pretty sickening not very conducive for discussion. I play and love the same game you guys do and unfortunately I will be removing some of my monetary support from this game as a result of a decision that CCP has made out of the blue.
This change will not effect my over all eve game play. I am not a heavy user of the broadcast function of the Isboxing software. I mainly use it to manage my windows and have used the controversial 'Isboxer broadcast + bomber' combination with 5 characters only once.
Recently and before this u-turn by CCP, I did invest in a couple more accounts but this recent change has pretty much condemned them to be immediately unsubbed. Even with this action the 'investment' of time and money that I have put into these accounts feels like it has been wasted.
I purchased these subscriptions from CCP to play their game in a specific fashion which at the time was considered legitimate by CCP. I have liked the direction that CCP have been moving towards with EVE Online and I will by no means be quitting the game due to this change but I do have a bad taste left in my mouth.
I cannot speculate CCP's reasoning for announcing this today but the delay on making this statement has caused some people supporting the game to feel they have been deceived. You can still use it to manage windows dummy you just cant broadcast mouse clicks and key commands to those 5 windows |
Mmmmm Danone Aulmais
Moon Of The Pheonix
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:12:24 -
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I will with grate joy take all free stuff from but hurt IS boxers.
Grater joy will be had if it comes from a big alliance. |
Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
238
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:12:30 -
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Sarah Flynt wrote:Who are you and what have you done to the CCP as we knew it (not only this change but what's been happening over maybe the last half year)?
The irony is that a woman had to take the helm in order for CCP to grow some balls.
I love it. Keep it up! That made me lol. For real. I mean as in the real "laugh out loud". ^^ Thank you!
[i]"Shoot at anything that moves. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway, it might move later."
"Do not be too positive. The light at the end of the tunnel could be a train." - Franz Kafka[/i]
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Niko Fudan
Aliastra Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:12:37 -
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eiedu wrote:RIP incursions RIP Ratting RIP bombing
Time to go back to wow, where it makes no sense to have multiple accounts
How are you even going to "catch" people who are input-multiplexing hardware-wise
One less Goon. Mission accomplished
GÇ£I am the punishment of God...If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.GÇ¥
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2233
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:12:40 -
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Rosewalker wrote: No other MMO restricts this? NCSoft bans ISBoxer from its games.
Heh NCsoft. NCsoft lets full blown bot parties run rampant. Ever play Lineage 2?
Probably the reason they ban IsBoxer is because they don't get a cut of the sales.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
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Bisu Deckryder
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
5
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:13:02 -
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ShadowandLight wrote:CCP Falcon, you stated multi boxing isn't banned in the thread of mine you locked. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5241567#post5241567 But In your own policy you seem to walk a very fine line between multi boxing and input duplication (using a mouse and keyboard to control multiple clients). Quote:Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing of actions with consequences in the EVE universe, are prohibited and will be policed in the same manner as Input Automation.
This includes, but isnGÇÖt limited to:
GÇóActivation and control of ships and modules GÇóNavigation and movement within the EVE universe GÇóMovement of assets and items within the EVE universe GÇóInteraction with other characters So per your last statement you called my post rumor mongering, which I really am not. The entire point of isboxer is to allow a mouse and keyboard to control multiple clients effectively. This will kill a major reason to use such software.
Multi boxxing is not the same thing as input duplication. I begin to suspect that people in this thread haven't read the whole OP, much less the entire thread. |
KeeperRus
Exanimo Inc Gentlemen's.Club
0
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:13:02 -
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baltec1 wrote:KeeperRus wrote:I wonder how exactly this will change anything. CCP can not detect the software, so how will CCP know if it's being used? Exactly. If they are banning its use after all this time then its safe to say they figured out how.
They haven't. |
Astroyka
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
148
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:13:15 -
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I think this is great news for EvE as a whole. I really don't think the unsubs will hit CCP that hard since most of the multiboxers were probably "paying" for their accounts with PLEX anyway.
I concur with many that this will affect mineral prices, but in the long run this will be good for the game and new players too. As for people multiboxing PvP, I won't be sad to see them go!
Astroyka - A Mirkur Draug'Tyr pilot, fighting against slavery in New Eden
www.astroyka.net
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Sentenced 1989
Data Venia
126
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:13:24 -
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I would like to know if having my extra mouse key set to press ctrl + f1 + f2 + f3 + f4 + f5 in period of 1 second is considered as breach of EULA?
The Incursion Guild
QA Combat Analyzer
Incursion Layout Builder
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Konrad Kane
115
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:13:29 -
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Great news, now ban o/ in local |
Cor'len
Remnant of an Empire Independent Stars Allied Forces
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:13:42 -
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Awesome! I'm all for it.
Also super happy they're not going "ARGH NO 3RD PARTY THINGS EVEN LOOKING AT OUR CLIENT"; means I can still continue using various tools to rearrange things to suit my tastes. I just don't replicate inputs.
Very good move, CCP! |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
811
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:14:19 -
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rip in ****, isbotter :D |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13994
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:14:47 -
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KeeperRus wrote:
They haven't.
How do you know?
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Kaaeliaa
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:14:56 -
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Strata Maslav wrote:The SMUG in this thread is pretty sickening not very conducive for discussion. I play and love the same game you guys do and unfortunately I will be removing some of my monetary support from this game as a result of a decision that CCP has made out of the blue.
This change will not effect my over all eve game play. I am not a heavy user of the broadcast function of the Isboxing software. I mainly use it to manage my windows and have used the controversial 'Isboxer broadcast + bomber' combination with 5 characters only once.
Recently and before this u-turn by CCP, I did invest in a couple more accounts but this recent change has pretty much condemned them to be immediately unsubbed.
I purchased these subscriptions from CCP to play their game in a specific fashion which at the time was considered legitimate by CCP at the time. I have liked the direction that CCP have been moving towards with EVE Online and I will by no means be quitting the game due to this change but I do have a bad taste left in my mouth.
I cannot speculate CCP's reasoning for announcing this today but the delay on making this statement has caused some people supporting the game to feel they have been deceived.
Get the **** out. Nobody lied to you - YOU chose to create additional accounts, YOU agreed to the EULA, which has stated since time out of mind that automation is not allowed, YOU chose to ignore the obvious as **** fact that a third-party program allowing you to control more clients than a human could is the very definition of automation (regardless of CCP's silence), now YOU have to deal with the consequences.
Why don't you try actually PLAYING the game for once, scrubbie? You might actually have fun, although you'll have to make some ******* friends first, because this is an MMO.
LAGL Cosplayer. Princess of Sibyyl's Pillowfort. This is my jam!
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Ginger Barbarella
2035
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:16:06 -
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Strata Maslav wrote:The SMUG in this thread is pretty sickening not very conducive for discussion. I play and love the same game you guys do and unfortunately I will be removing some of my monetary support from this game as a result of a decision that CCP has made out of the blue.
Um, wut? CCP has never approved opf or overtly allowed botting (ignoring the black-hat large alliance botting). All they've really done is further define what's what in terms of third-party tools and mechanisms used to control action in multiple clients. They still don't allow botting any more than they did a month ago. What's the problem?
There are other games that allow automated farming: go there. Those of us that respect the spirit of the game don't want you or your kind here.
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
1092
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:16:30 -
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The EULA also has a provision that allows CCP to change the game however they want, including in ways that might be detrimental to your choice of gameplay, without owing you anything.
It's pretty safe to say that there was significant decision WRT the bottom line involved in making this decision.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Astroyka
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
148
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:16:42 -
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KeeperRus wrote:baltec1 wrote:KeeperRus wrote:I wonder how exactly this will change anything. CCP can not detect the software, so how will CCP know if it's being used? Exactly. If they are banning its use after all this time then its safe to say they figured out how. They haven't.
It really isn't that hard, everything is logged, all they need is:
- User ID
- IP Address
- Action
- Timestamp
A simple stored procedure to query for duplicate timestamps that correlate to a single IP... done.
Astroyka - A Mirkur Draug'Tyr pilot, fighting against slavery in New Eden
www.astroyka.net
GÖÑ proud EvE fansites member GÖÑ
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Anslo
Scope Works
22591
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:16:46 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:Strata Maslav wrote:The SMUG in this thread is pretty sickening not very conducive for discussion. I play and love the same game you guys do and unfortunately I will be removing some of my monetary support from this game as a result of a decision that CCP has made out of the blue.
This change will not effect my over all eve game play. I am not a heavy user of the broadcast function of the Isboxing software. I mainly use it to manage my windows and have used the controversial 'Isboxer broadcast + bomber' combination with 5 characters only once.
Recently and before this u-turn by CCP, I did invest in a couple more accounts but this recent change has pretty much condemned them to be immediately unsubbed.
I purchased these subscriptions from CCP to play their game in a specific fashion which at the time was considered legitimate by CCP at the time. I have liked the direction that CCP have been moving towards with EVE Online and I will by no means be quitting the game due to this change but I do have a bad taste left in my mouth.
I cannot speculate CCP's reasoning for announcing this today but the delay on making this statement has caused some people supporting the game to feel they have been deceived. Get the **** out. Nobody lied to you - YOU chose to create additional accounts, YOU agreed to the EULA, which has stated since time out of mind that automation is not allowed, YOU chose to ignore the obvious as **** fact that a third-party program allowing you to control more clients than a human could is the very definition of automation (regardless of CCP's silence), now YOU have to deal with the consequences. Why don't you try actually PLAYING the game for once, scrubbie? You might actually have fun, although you'll have to make some ******* friends first, because this is an MMO.
PREACH GURL PREEEAACH
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Theodoric Darkwind
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
309
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:17:38 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Fonac wrote:So is-boxer is banned?
edit: I Honestly dont care about is-boxer or what it can do, since i've never used it, or met anyone who uses it. But the OP is not very clear on it. isboxer isn't banned. Some of the things isboxer can do are banned.
Most of the things Isboxer does will be banned.
I wonder how many accounts CCP will lose from the Isboxer users cancelling their multibox accounts.
I personally have never had a problem with multiboxing, If people are willing to pay for that many accounts, let them.
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RudinV
Hard Knocks Inc.
455
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:17:43 -
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u know nothing about whine, just wait a bit, those who stockpiled plexes will come very soon |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
1100
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:19:49 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Big +1 on the decision, but I'm worried it doesn't go far enough. People will just purchase more screens, and manually control multiple accounts. It'll be harder, surely, but it's still viable to manually control a 10 ship tornado gank fleet or procurer mining fleet. The only sure way to get rid of multiboxing, and entitle everyone equally to the actions of one character at a time, is to get rid of multiboxing entirely. This will probably never happen. This game is pretty much impossible to play on any meaningful level without multiboxing.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Alundil
Isogen 5
764
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:20:09 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:Kenneth Feld wrote:Wait - hold on, just thought of something -
G15 and related keyboards are now banned??? They allow one keyboard click to do F1-F8 simultaneously
Although grouping guns in game does the same thing - except smartbombs Quote:Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing refer to the multiplication of inputs, actions and events to multiple instances of the game. Yeah, so that means my Core OS - OSX and my keyboard are both not allowed Kinda sucks, not going to buy windows to run the stinking game I sure as hell won't buy a new keyboard so stupid, if you want to ban isboxer fine, but leave the mac guys out of it Perfect example of 'not getting it' right here folks. ^
Of course Falcon's blog post implies that not only is the main functionality of isboxer banned, but also that all Mac clients and G15 keyboards are as well. That Falcon, so evil. Amirite?
I'm right behind you
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
316
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:20:18 -
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Mierin Arthie wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe. How does this policy update regard the usage of KVM switches to control multiple computers from one mouse/keyboard? for those that dont know what a kvm switch is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch
That would be keyboard multiplexing. The definitions in the OP are pretty clear.
A bitter vet trying to start anew.
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