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Nostonica
Heart of Pyerite Imperial Outlaws.
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Posted - 2014.11.25 17:57:42 -
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Was rather disheartened by this news i had rather fuzzy idea's about running 2 guardians via isboxer some time in the future.
But... This will make mining worth doing again. And the best dps from bombers will take the best co-ordination. Those groups that shine will do the big dps and those that are subpar will do subpar dps.
All in all this is one less way that players can break the game. |

Ginger Barbarella
2033
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Posted - 2014.11.25 17:58:05 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Fonac wrote:So is-boxer is banned?
edit: I Honestly dont care about is-boxer or what it can do, since i've never used it, or met anyone who uses it. But the OP is not very clear on it. isboxer isn't banned. Some of the things isboxer can do are banned.
Well that's clear as mud.
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
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Anslo
Scope Works
22589
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Posted - 2014.11.25 17:58:06 -
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HostageTaker wrote:2003 Vet here, CCP you're making me less bitter!... STOP!
LIGHT THE SIGNAL FIRES AND SOUND THE HORNS OF GONDOR, LET THE BITTER VETS KNOW EVE IS ALIVE AGAIN AND TO RESUB
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Kant Boards
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2014.11.25 17:58:09 -
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ITS HAPPENING
(9:11:20 AM) Price information for 30 Day Pilot's License Extension (PLEX) in Jita: Buy - Max: 910,000,900.00 Min: 4,750,000.00 Average: 745,481,861.72 Volume: 1,422 Sell - Min: 934,988,999.00 Max: 2,500,000,000.00 Average: 994,303,052.94 Volume: 1,405
(9:31:34 AM) Price information for 30 Day Pilot's License Extension (PLEX) in Jita: Buy - Max: 898,611,111.00 Min: 2,500,000.00 Average: 722,243,575.98 Volume: 1,247 Sell - Min: 908,898,897.00 Max: 2,500,000,000.00 Average: 987,750,257.58 Volume: 1,387 |

FZappa
Heretics Corp
0
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Posted - 2014.11.25 17:59:03 -
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this is .. interesting . i guess its time to downsize my mining fleet , i only used to isbox 6 miners , but since broadcasting is not allowed anymore i dont see a point in subbing all 6 . probably go down to 3 , more manageable to manually control. i can imagine the people using 20+ accounts dropping most of those now.
side effect would include massive amounts of mining toons going up for sale , steep increase in mineral and ice prices , decrease in plex prices (?) . fun fun.
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Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
1296
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Posted - 2014.11.25 17:59:27 -
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Simsung Padecain wrote:At last.
Eve was the only MMO game I've played in my long career that allowed automation in such manner, for a very, very long time. Now that this option isn't available for much longer, all I can say is thank you for finally sobering up and making this step.
THANK YOU
Since you're living in a cave or a hole somewhere, many games like WoW, FFXIV, and others actually allow this. they allow multi-client broadcasting, just not botting. |

Sven Viko VIkolander
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
306
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:00:22 -
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PRAISE BOB
Praise the flying-spaghetti monster and its noodly appendages.
CCP, making the right choices! Nice work! |

Mikalas T
Free Throbbing Veinal Penii For Spacmens Mutually Assured Destruction.
10
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:00:28 -
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I have a space hard-on for soon tm good times and flourishing this will bring.
Also, boxerbros, please remember the longer you wait to character bazaar your miners/VG toons, the more saturated the market will be. So go do it quickly, i'm after some nightmare pilots.
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Not Primary Disengage
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:02:17 -
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Utari Onzo wrote:The thing that makes me laugh are the ISBoxer users asking for refunds.
They have paid for subscription time, and been given that time. CCP was under no obligation to 'garauntee' to customers that their intentions for the characters use would still be applicable in the future. CCP didn't explicitely state that my training for a sentry drone Dominix for PVP last year would be a garaunteed OK and my 'playstyle' wouldn't get nerfed.
These characters could all be retrained into market alts, scouts, fleet boosters, or heavens forbid the ISboxers could just manually operate them, but no. Instead they demand a refund when they have recieved exactly what CCP promised them. A set amount of time to play in the sandbox. Please take your entitled attitude elsewhere.
Of course they are under no obligation, just like I am under no obligation to give to charity or do nice things for other people. But it is certainly misleading this whole situation. |

Scarlett IX
Super Squirrel Omni Jump League
5
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:02:27 -
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Aww this is so Awesome been waiting for this day a very long time. Life is sweet 
Christmas did come early |

Bisu Deckryder
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
5
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:02:56 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Fonac wrote:So is-boxer is banned?
edit: I Honestly dont care about is-boxer or what it can do, since i've never used it, or met anyone who uses it. But the OP is not very clear on it. isboxer isn't banned. Some of the things isboxer can do are banned. Well that's clear as mud. Using isboxxer to input a command once and have multiple toons do it is banned, or any other thing that does that. You can still use it to manage your overlay. |

KeeperRus
Exanimo Inc Gentlemen's.Club
0
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:03:11 -
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I wonder how exactly this will change anything. CCP can not detect the software, so how will CCP know if it's being used? Exactly. |

Utari Onzo
united system's commonwealth
26
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:03:22 -
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Lee Sin Priest wrote:Utari Onzo wrote:The thing that makes me laugh are the ISBoxer users asking for refunds.
They have paid for subscription time, and been given that time. CCP was under no obligation to 'garauntee' to customers that their intentions for the characters use would still be applicable in the future. CCP didn't explicitely state that my training for a sentry drone Dominix for PVP last year would be a garaunteed OK and my 'playstyle' wouldn't get nerfed.
These characters could all be retrained into market alts, scouts, fleet boosters, or heavens forbid the ISboxers could just manually operate them, but no. Instead they demand a refund when they have recieved exactly what CCP promised them. A set amount of time to play in the sandbox. Please take your entitled attitude elsewhere. 35 days notice on 180degree turnaround on their own policy is not okay It's downright extortion Example: If you pay me money to go to theme park for a specific ride, you like the rollercoasters cause of the pretty lights n stuff I say of course you may enter, I have a policy that dictates how I must behave and such, what you want to do is legal and hundreds of other people have been doing it for years You grin, pay over your moneyzzzz and enter 3 feet in Miley comes in like a wrecking ball and bye bye the rollercoasters Sad right?
Funny that, because that's 5 days more notice then a landlord has to give you in this contry before raising the rent or evicting you. That's more then enough time to change skill plans, sell the characters, find a new play style, or find a different game to play.
To go on with your anaology, in this example I have paid a ticket at the theme park to enter the theme park. There are other rides available and other services there I can use. By law, I cannot recieve a refund as I was given exactly what I paid for. The company might give me a refund if I complain, but they are udner no obligation to do so.
You have not had EVE taken away from you, you have simply had one of a myriad of options to play this game taken and now like a child you are spitting out the dummy and refusing to try something else. If you can only play eve by using broadcasting software and not by actually manually using your alts, that is not CCPs fault. |

Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
154
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:03:24 -
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Pivke Anneto wrote:this is just full of awesomeness :D
BEFORE YOU PEOPLE START UNSUBSCRIBING!
i would like to buy: -one scuicide ganking character (catalyst&talos trained) -one perfect miner (all T2 crystals and stuff)
FOR VERY CHEAP!
i will post in character bazaar forum soon, so you can start undercutting each other :) its your chance to make a little bit of ISK on character you wont use any more! I like your way of thinking, good madam. I will eagerly follow your example, and keep an eye open in the character bazaar for cheap bomber alts. |

Nerdz Rool
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:04:07 -
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Lol Awesome!
My wife thanks you ccp. Thats 105$ she can spend on Qwertee each month now.
Im dropping 7 out of 8 accounts for now then. No hard feelings, I understand that many people in EVE didn't like players multiboxing in PVP or PVE, so whatever you feel will bring up the player experience im cool with.
Everyone just needs to learn how to adapt. I really hope that this doesn't hurt the bottom line for EVE too much though as I really love this game.
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Rawthorm
D.M.T inc Circle-Of-Two
24
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:05:01 -
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While I've never used software like ISBoxer, I can imagine that it's use probably increased quality of life for most non-ISBox using eve players.
BomberBox fleets were quite rare and despite the number of butt hurt people who've clearly not been paying attention and got caught by one, I don't think they began to come close to outweighing the benefits such as making Ice easy to harvest leaving the rest of us time to actually play the more fun aspects of EvE rather than spend half our lives slowly grinding icecubes. Almost every player in EvE has benefited from cheaper fuel and cheaper ships because of those using ISBoxer, so is an overriding ban worth it just to get rid of a few trolling bombers on your space?
I think it's seriously time for CCP to look into quality of life improvements for running infrastructure and give us bigger and better gear to use (and put at risk) to cut down the time spent doing all the boring monotonous stuff. |

Jasahl Toruken
DNS Requiem Shadow of xXDEATHXx
0
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:05:03 -
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I use ISBoxer with 5 accounts. The way I use it does not include any automation. I use the DxNothing feature to bring multiple aspects of the UI from each client to one screen. Every click and mouse movement is unique to each client. And from my interpretation, that type of use is acceptable.
"Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing"
Is using one account to broadcast the mouse movements and clicks to multiple other clients. Much like one might do with a mining or pvp fleet. Where the UI layouts are identical for each client and the user only moves and clicks on one client.
Basically if one click equals multiple actions, then stop doing it. |

Odysseus Rhodes
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:05:43 -
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+1 for the return of cooperative mining ... with other players.
ISBoxer can die in a plasma fire and buried in a pile of *****. |

Herrin Asura
Vengance Inc. Nulli Secunda
23
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:05:53 -
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This is great. Good decision CCP.
You will lose subs but the game and the economy will get healthier and in my opinion that will help to get more real people into Eve Online.
Today you showed us that you have the balls to make decisions against your income in favor of Eve and the Community. Thank you. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13994
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:07:03 -
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KeeperRus wrote:I wonder how exactly this will change anything. CCP can not detect the software, so how will CCP know if it's being used? Exactly.
If they are banning its use after all this time then its safe to say they figured out how.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Utari Onzo
united system's commonwealth
27
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:07:09 -
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Nerdz Rool wrote:Lol Awesome!
My wife thanks you ccp. Thats 105$ she can spend on Qwertee each month now.
Im dropping 7 out of 8 accounts for now then. No hard feelings, I understand that many people in EVE didn't like players multiboxing in PVP or PVE, so whatever you feel will bring up the player experience im cool with.
Everyone just needs to learn how to adapt. I really hope that this doesn't hurt the bottom line for EVE too much though as I really love this game.
Multiboxing is still a-ok, especially in PVP. I multibox in PVP ALL THE TIME. It's being able to do it across multiple accounts simultaniously off one button press that is going. You can still multibox 30 bombers with ISBoxer, you just have to manually click all the buttons now. |

KeeperRus
Exanimo Inc Gentlemen's.Club
0
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:07:28 -
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What many people don't understand is that they won't sell their accounts. You can still use 10+ accounts and mouse 5 and manually select each broadcast from the window which was actually easier than the broadcast by itself. This won't change anything. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13994
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:07:51 -
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Mharius Skjem wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Fonac wrote:So is-boxer is banned?
edit: I Honestly dont care about is-boxer or what it can do, since i've never used it, or met anyone who uses it. But the OP is not very clear on it. isboxer isn't banned. Some of the things isboxer can do are banned. Well that's clear as mud. Well that was a CSM post, the Dev post is the one that I am interested in. That made it pretty clear IS boxer is banned.
They didnt ban IS boxer, just everything it does
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Bisu Deckryder
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
5
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:07:54 -
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Jasahl Toruken wrote:I use ISBoxer with 5 accounts. The way I use it does not include any automation. I use the DxNothing feature to bring multiple aspects of the UI from each client to one screen. Every click and mouse movement is unique to each client. And from my interpretation, that type of use is acceptable.
"Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing"
Is using one account to broadcast the mouse movements and clicks to multiple other clients. Much like one might do with a mining or pvp fleet. Where the UI layouts are identical for each client and the user only moves and clicks on one client.
Basically if one click equals multiple actions, then stop doing it. Yup you're safe next year |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
4265
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:08:11 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Fonac wrote:So is-boxer is banned?
edit: I Honestly dont care about is-boxer or what it can do, since i've never used it, or met anyone who uses it. But the OP is not very clear on it. isboxer isn't banned. Some of the things isboxer can do are banned. Well that's clear as mud.
Good thing that it's after an devblog which goes into a lot more detail.
People focus on isboxer doing input multiplexing. But that's not all it does. The multiplexing and broadcasting are banned activities. The screen management isn't.
(note: I'm not a lawyer, and I don't speak for CCP. So you can't point at this, in the event I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure I'm not)
It's like a gun in the US. you can take it to a range and shoot. that's legal. Or you can take it to a mall and shoot people. That's not legal.
Guns aren't banned by making shooting people with them illegal. Clearer?
Woo! CSM 9!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
105
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:08:22 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:
Good Stuffz
Better late than never +1  |

ShadowandLight
DeathWatch Milita Soviet-Union
281
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:08:35 -
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CCP Falcon, you stated multi boxing isn't banned in the thread of mine you locked.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5241567#post5241567
But In your own policy you seem to walk a very fine line between multi boxing and input duplication (using a mouse and keyboard to control multiple clients).
Quote:Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing of actions with consequences in the EVE universe, are prohibited and will be policed in the same manner as Input Automation.
This includes, but isnGÇÖt limited to:
GÇóActivation and control of ships and modules GÇóNavigation and movement within the EVE universe GÇóMovement of assets and items within the EVE universe GÇóInteraction with other characters
So per your last statement you called my post rumor mongering, which I really am not. The entire point of isboxer is to allow a mouse and keyboard to control multiple clients effectively. This will kill a major reason to use such software.
http://eveservers.info/index.php?topic=123.msg126#new
A fully functional Server platform dedicated to your Corp / Alliances IT needs!
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Petrus Blackshell
Scrap Metal Squadron
3215
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:08:53 -
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ISBotters be like.
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
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Strata Maslav
V0LTA Triumvirate.
108
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:09:13 -
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The SMUG in this thread is pretty sickening not very conducive for discussion. I play and love the same game you guys do and unfortunately I will be removing some of my monetary support from this game as a result of a decision that CCP has made out of the blue.
This change will not effect my over all eve game play. I am not a heavy user of the broadcast function of the Isboxing software. I mainly use it to manage my windows and have used the controversial 'Isboxer broadcast + bomber' combination with 5 characters only once.
Recently and before this u-turn by CCP, I did invest in a couple more accounts but this recent change has pretty much condemned them to be immediately unsubbed. Even with this action the 'investment' of time and money that I have put into these accounts feels like it has been wasted.
I purchased these subscriptions from CCP to play their game in a specific fashion which at the time was considered legitimate by CCP. I have liked the direction that CCP have been moving towards with EVE Online and I will by no means be quitting the game due to this change but I do have a bad taste left in my mouth.
I cannot speculate CCP's reasoning for announcing this today but the delay on making this statement has caused some people supporting the game to feel they have been deceived. |

Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
67
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:09:34 -
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Not Primary Disengage wrote:this is a mistake. i would not have resubscribed if I knew this would be restricted.
No other MMO restricts this and no other MMO is as well suited towards it as EVE.
Perhaps fixing your game is the solution and not banning activities that exploit its flaws.
Disappointing how Devs can make a complete 180.
Please refund my accounts.
No other MMO restricts this? NCSoft bans ISBoxer from its games.
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