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Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.03 21:58:00 - [1] So my mate got invited by a noob that asked for help on a mission. This noob is in an npc corp and not in a corp that is at war with anyone. So my mate warps to the "noob" and then the noob invites 3 other pilot from 2 different corps that are at war with eachother. Then he scrambles my corp mate but concord doesnt show up and 3 pilots warp in and gank my corp mate. My mate petitioned and all he got was "Its within the game mechanics". Thats bullcrap! He had no chance to evade the war inside the gang because he doesnt get a warning when ppl that are at war join the gang. And somehow the noob didnt even get concorded for initiating aggression with my corp mate AND HE`S IN A NPC CORP!!! How is that not an exploit? Ship lovers click here
Sir Juri Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:01:00 - [2] hmm this surely is an exploit if it can be done... wow they say its game mechanics? damn need to make a new sig...
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:01:00 - [3] i agree anyone new joining teh gang existing gang members should be warned - this is a clear exploit but given the existing problems going on atm unlikley to be fixed (if its in a noob corp) dont gang with it
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:04:00 - [4] i agree... yet another lame tactic by lazy pirates that just want to grief... sad sad. the whole 'game mechanics' is bull... because exploits are based on game mechanics... or else we couldnt do them! duh.
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:04:00 - [5] then again apparetnly using an AFK macro is illegal but if youre at the keyboard and able to respond then macro use isnt illegal (or so ive heard) Thats why half the macros remain in game CCP cant prove it So really theres a lot of things that aint right but this gang issue is a low priority youre friend should have been happy for some insta PVP
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:08:00 - [6] If this is the person I think doing this (lofty), he has petitioned to a senior GM and the GMs have confirmed multiple times that this is allowed. Whether that should be the case... is another matter. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
lofty29 Gallente Tolarri Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:13:00 - [7] HIIII helspaawwwnn. Nice loot your 'mate' had --------------------------- Originally by: inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you. *Life is like a box of Ibises; You'll always be a newbie. -Kaemonn
lofty29 Gallente Tolarri Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Lord Frost i agree... yet another lame tactic by lazy pirates that just want to grief... sad sad. the whole 'game mechanics' is bull... because exploits are based on game mechanics... or else we couldnt do them! duh. And, hardly. I make billlliiiooons doing this 2x domi gyros, 2x dark blood pdu, true sansha pdu, domi tracking computer? Arr --------------------------- Originally by: inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you. *Life is like a box of Ibises; You'll always be a newbie. -Kaemonn
Xeliya	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:17:00 - [9] Edited by: Xeliya on 03/09/2006 22:18:50 Edited by: Xeliya on 03/09/2006 22:18:15 Ya I got smoked like this once and I got the responce you were warned when you joined the gang. All it says if they become at war you will be a target. They need to make it so you will see others as war targets, be warned when other join that are at war and allowed to fire first if your in a gang, or just give damn kill rights as it took 6 of them like 30 min to take me down (was jammed 90% of the time) would be nice to go and repay the favour!
Pestillence Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:19:00 - [10] Sounds like an exploit to me. No pop up warning and also surely not "intended" by the dev's to work this way (common sense anyone??) Tick the boxes and it makes it a sploit imho.
lofty29 Gallente Tolarri Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:20:00 - [11] An exploit is something that cannot be avoided. This can be avoided, quite easily. --------------------------- Originally by: inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you. *Life is like a box of Ibises; You'll always be a newbie. -Kaemonn
Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:21:00 - [12] Originally by: lofty29 An exploit is something that cannot be avoided. This can be avoided, quite easily. Is it true that you can still shoot at your victims for another 15 minutes even if they leave the gang? Ship lovers click here
Pestillence Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:23:00 - [13] Originally by: lofty29 An exploit is something that cannot be avoided. This can be avoided, quite easily. At the time of joining the gang the person checks and no-popup appears. (has player done everything in his power to be safe) TICK Lamer invites his 2 alt warring buddies to gang. Original player does not get warning that the game mechanics are doing something fruity. (TICK) Working as intended? I think not. This isnt about your old lame tactic.
lofty29 Gallente Tolarri Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:26:00 - [14] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Originally by: lofty29 An exploit is something that cannot be avoided. This can be avoided, quite easily. Is it true that you can still shoot at your victims for another 15 minutes even if they leave the gang? If I shoot them while they are in the gang, yes. Say, they warp in at 40, i lock and get an ECM, they warp off, I chase and find myself ontop of them. It's common aggro. --------------------------- Originally by: inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you. *Life is like a box of Ibises; You'll always be a newbie. -Kaemonn
DukDodgerz	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:55:00 - [15] CCP encourages and wants you to use any means possible to gank and grief... why haven't the masses figured this out?? If they had any "balance" or "rules" to stop the behaviour, then their subscriptions would increase and thus ruin the game for all since the hardware and bandwidth they have can not support the players as is. FRODO HAS FAILED; BUSH HAS THE RING!!! The HippoKing spots a new post
Pj Dj Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:58:00 - [16] Its a great way for players too lame to look for real targets to get their kills I guess. Exploiting pussies.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.04 00:01:00 - [17] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 04/09/2006 00:01:29 Originally by: DukDodgerz CCP encourages and wants you to use any means possible to gank and grief... why haven't the masses figured this out?? If they had any "balance" or "rules" to stop the behaviour, then their subscriptions would increase Because clearly, CCP wants to earn as little as money as possible. Originally by: Darkrydar Originally by: lofty29 2x domi gyros, 2x dark blood pdu, true sansha pdu, domi tracking computer? Arr Wow, thats maybe, 275M... Not worthy of bragging. Sure, but its not nothing. From what I've heard he baited two faction ships, worth a total of over 3 billion, just today. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.04 00:01:00 - [18] Originally by: lofty29 2x domi gyros, 2x dark blood pdu, true sansha pdu, domi tracking computer? Arr Wow, thats maybe, 275M... Not worthy of bragging.
lofty29 Gallente Tolarri Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.04 00:03:00 - [19] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 04/09/2006 00:01:29 Originally by: DukDodgerz CCP encourages and wants you to use any means possible to gank and grief... why haven't the masses figured this out?? If they had any "balance" or "rules" to stop the behaviour, then their subscriptions would increase Because clearly, CCP wants to earn as little as money as possible. Originally by: Darkrydar Originally by: lofty29 2x domi gyros, 2x dark blood pdu, true sansha pdu, domi tracking computer? Arr Wow, thats maybe, 275M... Not worthy of bragging. Sure, but its not nothing. From what I've heard he baited two faction ships, worth a total of over 3 billion, just today. Make it 3 --------------------------- Originally by: inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you. *Life is like a box of Ibises; You'll always be a newbie. -Kaemonn
Major Death Caldari Elite United Corp	Posted - 2006.09.04 00:04:00 - [20] The only thing that bugs me about this is that new players will not get help from the more experienced. Thanks to the antics of lofty29, new players now are shunned when they ask for help. This is not exactly a good situation.
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.09.04 00:06:00 - [21] Originally by: Major Death The only thing that bugs me about this is that new players will not get help from the more experienced. Thanks to the antics of lofty29, new players now are shunned when they ask for help. This is not exactly a good situation. Yep. Go lofty. //Maya
Sergio Ling Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.04 00:08:00 - [22] impossible to evade? now THAT'S bullcrap just dont gang with people you don't know Originally by: Oveur Internally dismissed as carebear whine, we quietly moved our Kestrels to another system.
lofty29 Gallente Tolarri Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.04 00:13:00 - [23] Originally by: Sergio Ling impossible to evade? now THAT'S bullcrap just dont gang with people you don't know Exactly why it isnt an exploit --------------------------- Originally by: inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you. *Life is like a box of Ibises; You'll always be a newbie. -Kaemonn
tadig smik Taintclan Industries	Posted - 2006.09.04 00:16:00 - [24] Originally by: Miss Overlord i agree anyone new joining teh gang existing gang members should be warned - this is a clear exploit but given the existing problems going on atm unlikley to be fixed (if its in a noob corp) dont gang with it You are warned... unless something has changed in the past 24 hours, you do get a warning when joining a gang where somebody is at war with somebody else... If I invite to gang who is at war with somebody else, I get a 'dodgy candidate' warning...
Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.04 00:17:00 - [25] Originally by: tadig smik Originally by: Miss Overlord i agree anyone new joining teh gang existing gang members should be warned - this is a clear exploit but given the existing problems going on atm unlikley to be fixed (if its in a noob corp) dont gang with it You are warned... unless something has changed in the past 24 hours, you do get a warning when joining a gang where somebody is at war with somebody else... If I invite to gang who is at war with somebody else, I get a 'dodgy candidate' warning... Read the original post again. Ship lovers click here
nahtoh Caldari Bull Industries	Posted - 2006.09.04 00:18:00 - [26] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Sergio Ling impossible to evade? now THAT'S bullcrap just dont gang with people you don't know Exactly why it isnt an exploit Ignoring the warning should not be a exploit...but this wrinkle should be you lame assed **** ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Kira Natel	Posted - 2006.09.04 00:19:00 - [27] Originally by: Dark Shikari Because clearly, CCP wants to earn as little as money as possible. Actually this is not that far off the mark imo. Altho unintended, this incident and other questionable tactics along with the recent dragon patch and unpopular dev responses make it look all too clearly what the results are.
Arkanor Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2006.09.04 00:20:00 - [28] Originally by: Eve Its within the game mechanics. Originally by: Ghosthowl WoW = hardcore paladins smashin dat face. Originally by: HippoKing I just cried, you know that?
lofty29 Gallente Tolarri Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.04 00:21:00 - [29] Originally by: Kira Natel Originally by: Dark Shikari Because clearly, CCP wants to earn as little as money as possible. Actually this is not that far off the mark imo. Altho unintended, this incident and other questionable tactics along with the recent dragon patch and unpopular dev responses make it look all too clearly what the results are. Uhhhm. I've been doing this for well over 5 months. It isnt new, it isnt dragon patch. --------------------------- Originally by: inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you. *Life is like a box of Ibises; You'll always be a newbie. -Kaemonn
Peri Helion Amarr Omega Whiskey Tango Foxtrot	Posted - 2006.09.04 00:29:00 - [30] Exploit? Well, if CCP defines Exploit and they say this isn't, then it isn't. Good gaming? Well, kudos to Lofty for having figured this out. A game worth sticking around for? This tactic is valid and clever. If you dont't like it (or the sad fact that CCP says it is legal), then vote with your feet. For that matter, if you dont like the state of the game for any reason (lag, bugs, slow response times on petitions, crazy rules that obfuscate what one would normally consider common snese like a pop-up window telling you the asshat next to you in gang can shoot your ass), then leave. Personally, I wouldn't use this tactic (to dumb to figure it out, to laid back to execute it). I wouldn't sanction the behaviour in game either if I were the developers. BUT I aint. I have 8 accounts but stick around despite all the reasons above because there isnt't anything comparable out there. But if some other game company comes along with a persistent single shard world (sci-fi or fantasy) with a robust economy that has a better server architecutre (to address the lag) response times (to address bugs and petitions) and a more coherent rule set to address these kinds of issues (yeah, I like hard cruel reality, but I play games to get away from reality THAT hard and cruel ffs, so call it medium cruel reality), CCP will finally have a real horse race on their hands and that kind of competition may finally drive them to eleveate their game in new ways.

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