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Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.04 15:37:00 - [151] Originally by: Kharriga Originally by: Infinity Ziona Originally by: lofty29 Ok, I admit that I may have found a >widdle tiny bit< of an exploit. Yes, CCP can change it if they wish, and I will cease use of it if it is declared an exploit. I play eve for fun, not to get banned. What exactly do you find 'fun' about that Lofty? That a bunch of pre-pubes think your cool for being a ***? He is 12 and feels all evil and cool while doing it? Gets his attention whoring on forums about it? I think he does it for the ISK. --[23] Member-- Originally by:** DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
lofty29 Gallente Tolarri Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.04 15:39:00 - [152] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Kharriga Originally by: Infinity Ziona Originally by: lofty29 Ok, I admit that I may have found a >widdle tiny bit< of an exploit. Yes, CCP can change it if they wish, and I will cease use of it if it is declared an exploit. I play eve for fun, not to get banned. What exactly do you find 'fun' about that Lofty? That a bunch of pre-pubes think your cool for being a ***? He is 12 and feels all evil and cool while doing it? Gets his attention whoring on forums about it? I think he does it for the ISK. Yeah...the isk --------------------------- Originally by:** inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you.
Kharriga Caldari The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.09.04 15:42:00 - [153] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Kharriga Originally by: Infinity Ziona Originally by: lofty29 Ok, I admit that I may have found a >widdle tiny bit< of an exploit. Yes, CCP can change it if they wish, and I will cease use of it if it is declared an exploit. I play eve for fun, not to get banned. What exactly do you find 'fun' about that Lofty? That a bunch of pre-pubes think your cool for being a ***? He is 12 and feels all evil and cool while doing it? Gets his attention whoring on forums about it? I think he does it for the ISK. sure thats an option however if it was so id expect alot less forum activity from him because he wouldnt give a ** what someone is writing as long as he got isk anyway to me this is looking more like self glorification of an immature mind that gets an ego kick from "outsmarting" others and stealing theire hawt lewt! just my guess anyway, who cares, sh*t happens, people die, dont fly a rattlesnake if you cant lose one, etc etc..
Infinity Ziona Feet Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.04 15:43:00 - [154] Its all very well to say 'dont group with other players' or 'make sure you invite him' or 'drop the gang before you get to the location' but: What you are forgetting is wars dont happen immediately and warring corps dont cooperate, they fight each other. If you get a gang invite and its says 'if the corporation becomes involved in a war blah blah' then you expect, and rightly so, that the war would be executed as a normal war is. Not, that the guy in the gang is going to scramble you for the opposition, or that hes going to warp you directly to a preassigned location for the 'enemy' to gank you. All these 'intellectuals' given out advice about how you can avoid Lofties pathetic little scam, had you never heard of it, would not be taking their own advice and 'dropping the gang during warp' etc. Its a **ty little scam by a **ty little player who cant succeed in a game without cotton wool wrapped around his little e-peen and his groupies crying 'loftie, yoru teh man111 LOLACOPTER' and shouldnt be given any more legitimacy then that by supplying the moron with excuses and blaming the victim. Click Me
lofty29 Gallente Tolarri Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.04 15:45:00 - [155] Originally by: Kharriga sure thats an option however if it was so id expect alot less forum activity from him because he wouldnt give a **** what someone is writing as long as he got isk anyway to me this is looking more like self glorification of an immature mind that gets an ego kick from "outsmarting" others and stealing theire hawt lewt! just my guess anyway, who cares, sht happens, people die, dont fly a rattlesnake if you cant lose one, etc etc.. Nono, I just like to defend my point. I dont give a * what people are saying here, and most of it is incorrect. Im about 600m richer due to a few hours work, and currently working in an undisclosed location, hoping to make the same. B3w4r3!!!!111!1lolz --------------------------- Originally by:** inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you.
Kharriga Caldari The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.09.04 15:45:00 - [156] Oh and btw its a very smart tactics if i havent already made that clear. Defending youreself on forums about it and debating it overall is a bit too much ( concerning its ISK only interest ) Have fun, whatever it may be, thats what games are for anyway ;)
lofty29 Gallente Tolarri Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.04 15:47:00 - [157] Originally by: Kharriga Oh and btw its a very smart tactics if i havent already made that clear. Defending youreself on forums about it and debating it overall is a bit too much ( concerning its ISK only interest ) Have fun, whatever it may be, thats what games are for anyway ;) Thank you I enjoy being flamed to ** on the forums too, its pretty funny when people flame flame flame and 90% of their information is wrong --------------------------- Originally by:** inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you.
Ria Shar Tolarri Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.04 16:01:00 - [158] Ah well, ready for round...ummm, I lost count. Anyways, ready for the next round tonight my dear lofty? Yarr
lofty29 Gallente Tolarri Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.04 16:03:00 - [159] Originally by: Ria Shar Ah well, ready for round...ummm, I lost count. Anyways, ready for the next round tonight my dear lofty? Yarr of course --------------------------- Originally by: inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you.
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.09.04 16:03:00 - [160] I think the sane response here is to simply alert all pilots when someone who is in a war joins. As someone suggested. Have this by default, set to ignore when it is a corp/alliance mate (since you'll already know about the war). What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
eLLioTT wave Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.09.04 16:25:00 - [161] /signed make it exploit and ban lofty (exploiting noobs is lame grow some balls) at the very least make the "dodgy gang member" warning appear when a "dodgy gang member" is invited to gang after you are. This is as basic as the original warning.
lofty29 Gallente Tolarri Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.04 16:28:00 - [162] Originally by: eLLioTT wave /signed make it exploit and ban lofty (exploiting noobs is lame grow some balls) at the very least make the "dodgy gang member" warning appear when a "dodgy gang member" is invited to gang after you are. This is as basic as the original warning. Uhm, noobs? Name me one noob who flys a rattlesnake / navythron / machariel w/ faction fit? ISK buyers dont count. Sorry, but a ban is unlikely because I was told it was allowed. Warn me sure, make it an exploit and Ill never do it again. --------------------------- Originally by: inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you.
Hakera	Posted - 2006.09.04 17:05:00 - [163] Edited by: Hakera on 04/09/2006 17:07:27 Originally by: Miss Overlord Originally by: Hakera ironically, the original changes to gangs and wars etc were brought in because of exactly this situation. A hostile corp you were at war with, would often have out of corp mates in gang who would be able to attack you the second you attacked him, you would be none the wise beforehand of these apparant neutrals. Linkage Good everyone off to jita will mean no more suicide ganks (well for t2 BPOs) otherwise should be fun might empty the system out and a good anti macro miner tool as they also accept gang invites for some reason the point at which game design limitations become 'game features' simply because its possible does not make them right. It only makes the developers wrong for calling them features when they are the failings of an imperfect and over-simplfied system. The new gang rules came about because of two reasons the old gang defence rules and basically zombies in yulai to properly flag players. If people are being flagged without warning then that is a failing in the game mechanics and by no means a game feature. IMO the flagging should be revamped to drop non-war people from gang and also allow for say a 10 minute period before your flagged through gang for a war to be shootable unless you assit or actively attack a target (one which cant be ticked to ignore and requires a response) Its much like the other 'game features' i have witnessed recently such as standing hits for killing any player in a noob corp when standings, especially to NPC corps should never ever be derived from PvP unless kali 2 has arrived on swift wings and your part of the factional warfare perhaps, but not to noob corp alts.
Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.04 17:26:00 - [164] Originally by: Kharriga Tbh i wouldnt be surprised if he initiated this whole thread in some way ( ie. its his alt/main opening, he paid someone off, its his friend etc ). I assure you I¦m not in any way connected to lofty29 except that I killed him once. Ship lovers click here
Pestillence Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.04 17:27:00 - [165] Originally by: lofty29 currently working in an undisclosed location, hoping to make the same. /me points at your sig
lofty29 Gallente Tolarri Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.04 17:29:00 - [166] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Originally by: Kharriga Tbh i wouldnt be surprised if he initiated this whole thread in some way ( ie. its his alt/main opening, he paid someone off, its his friend etc ). I assure you I¦m not in any way connected to lofty29 except that I killed him once. You killed me? Nono. Me and my old corpie where having a bit of fun, stealing your corps ore in our caracals. It was funny. You warped in, IIRC, 7 bs's and 4 HAC's to deal with 2 caracals. YOU did not kill me. Your corporation killed me. And then you posted it on the forum and got flamed off, isnt that right? --------------------------- Originally by: inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you.
Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.04 17:41:00 - [167] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Hellspawn01 Originally by: Kharriga Tbh i wouldnt be surprised if he initiated this whole thread in some way ( ie. its his alt/main opening, he paid someone off, its his friend etc ). I assure you I¦m not in any way connected to lofty29 except that I killed him once. You killed me? Nono. Me and my old corpie where having a bit of fun, stealing your corps ore in our caracals. It was funny. You warped in, IIRC, 7 bs's and 4 HAC's to deal with 2 caracals. YOU did not kill me. Your corporation killed me. And then you posted it on the forum and got flamed off, isnt that right? I have the killmail and only 2 ships were shooting at you. Will that be enough evidence? Ship lovers click here
Iyanah Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.04 17:49:00 - [168] Originally by: Sir Juri hmm this surely is an exploit if it can be done... wow they say its game mechanics? of course it's within the game mechanics, and yes it's a foul trick, a scam if you will. but I've seen CCP CONGRATULATE scammers in the past, they don't care about things like preventing scammers like every other game. mainly because they hardly have enough people to keep the servers up and running, let alone police the damn things. perhaps infuture there will be enough resources to enforce some kind of order, but for now it's the wild west, and the only way to avoid scams is to not do anything stupid. in a case like this, leaving the gang immediately would probably prevent the other players from being able to attack you. also, making sure you're always the gang leader when you're grouping up with an npc corp noob would prevent this from ever happening. though i find it odd that the newbie could warp scramble you without being attacked, i was under the impression that scamblers were considered an agresive act? ========================================== Iy
Kenz Rider	Posted - 2006.09.04 18:00:00 - [169] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Hellspawn01 Originally by: Kharriga Tbh i wouldnt be surprised if he initiated this whole thread in some way ( ie. its his alt/main opening, he paid someone off, its his friend etc ). I assure you I¦m not in any way connected to lofty29 except that I killed him once. You killed me? Nono. Me and my old corpie where having a bit of fun, stealing your corps ore in our caracals. It was funny. You warped in, IIRC, 7 bs's and 4 HAC's to deal with 2 caracals. YOU did not kill me. Your corporation killed me. And then you posted it on the forum and got flamed off, isnt that right? Ha. Whiney ganker complaining about getting ganked. - - - -- - - - -- - - - -- - - - Little known fact: If DS had RL money, he would have lost it in Enron.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.04 18:09:00 - [170] This situation needs to be looked at imho. It is one thing for someone to get ganked because they ignored a specific warning, but this is not the same. Ultimately, the fact that the 'ganker' goes to such lengths to avoid the 'victim' reading the specific warning (rather than the far more general, and somewhat misleading, usual gang message) is a fair indication that this is an unfair abuse of game mechanics. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Selective Memory	Posted - 2006.09.04 18:10:00 - [171] The fact that you have the freedom/ability to scam and do all sorts of other free activities in EVE is one of the reasons it is such a good MMO. I really do not veiw the object of this thread a scam though. Its an exploit. It relies on obscure gang rules to bypass a very clear warning that players are supposed to see before they join a gang. The only way to avoid it is to know it exists, and only a tiny percentage of the people playing EVE will ever hear of this exploit. True, the only way to avoid gate camps is to know they exist, but the concept of players attacking you at choke points makes sense and there is a very clear warning displayed for all to read each time you enter a dangerous area. The practice in discussion is not intuitive and no amount of ocmmon sense will help someoneevade it. One of the main reasons gangs are in the game is to make it easier for casual groups of players and even new acquaintences to work together on things like missions. It is true that all gang invites contain some text which discusses what could happen if people in the gang go to war with eachother, but this is not quite ample warning to let players know exactly what dangers exist in this. A pop up informing gang members when war targets enter the gang, and a delay aggressing gang members seems sufficen... Screw it. Have fun guys. To many rich noobs flying around as is.
DukDodgerz	Posted - 2006.09.04 18:20:00 - [172] everyone needs to start doing the same as all the little grief play exploiters, and let the GM's whine to CCP bosses when the Q goes through the roof....oh geee its a massive Q already...wonder why... There is a time to act, and the GM's have let it pass... this is the same path all other exploits took, CCP deny it is an exploit until they have a patch ready, stealth impliment it, then moonwalk to say they knew it was a problem but wouldnt dare lose a single $ of the exploit users, regardless of how many QUIT THE FFFFING game due to the exploit being used on them. try being proactive CCP, it works fare better then kissing arses of exploit users. FRODO HAS FAILED; BUSH HAS THE RING!!! The HippoKing spots a new post
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.04 18:34:00 - [173] Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 04/09/2006 18:34:42 Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Sergio Ling impossible to evade? now THAT'S bullcrap just dont gang with people you don't know Exactly why it isnt an exploit You are a pathetic worthless loser. When scammers prey on greed, assuming they use their mains, I don't mind much. But when sad little losers like you prey on folks who try to help noobs, you become a pathetic disease infecting the game. snip This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.04 21:52:00 - [174] Originally by: Infinity Ziona All these 'intellectuals' given out advice about how you can avoid Lofties pathetic little scam, had you never heard of it, would not be taking their own advice and 'dropping the gang during warp' etc. Sorry, you're wrong...I've been doing this for over a year now. But then I'm a suspicious old git I guess. Maybe that's why I've only been ganked once and only been podded once...and both times I knew it was a risk and went into the situation with my eyes open. THere really is NO need to be in someone's gang to help them...you have to JOIN it to warp to them, yes...but on the way there, just drop out. As I said, anyone who's genuinely after help won't give a toss, as long as you kill Rachen Mysuna for him. --- Monty Pythons spoof of the EVE Forums; Palin: "Is this the right room for an argument?" Cleese: "I've told you once."
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.04 21:58:00 - [175] Originally by: lofty29 Im about 600m richer due to a few hours work, and currently working in an undisclosed location, hoping to make the same. B3w4r3!!!!111!1lolz He's in Motsu. Or at least he was tonight. Originally by: lofty29 Sorry, but a ban is unlikely because I was told it was allowed. Warn me sure, make it an exploit and Ill never do it again. I'll meet you halfway. Make it an exploit, reimburse the mission runners you killed, and take 600 million out of your wallet. Happiness all round. --- Monty Pythons spoof of the EVE Forums; Palin: "Is this the right room for an argument?" Cleese: "I've told you once."
ElCoCo Gallente KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.09.04 22:09:00 - [176] Edited by: ElCoCo on 04/09/2006 22:11:01 This is such an obvious exploit I'm amazed with some of you ppl hiding behind your finger. edit: not to mention the crazy GM(s) that don't see it as an exploit.
Zhaine B e l l u m	Posted - 2006.09.04 22:21:00 - [177] Hehe. Awesome. lofty 4tw! Darwinian Gaming 4tw! Eve 4tw! What more can I say except that I really love reading ranting, angry complaint posts like these. Really. It just makes me feel so. . . superior I remember. . . this guy (lofty) was the first guy to ever blow my ship up in PvP (in some low sec system). Did I complain? Did I rant? No I had a conversation with him on local, saying how fun it was. And don't say I knew the risks and he (the OP) didn't if you accept gang invites from random noobs. lol. - - - - - - - - - - Quote: I don't even want a ship, ships are for carebears. Give me a fish bowl for my head (to keep space out) and smear me with lard, then armed with a toasting fork-
Infinity Ziona Feet Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.04 22:31:00 - [178] Originally by: Zhaine Hehe. Awesome. lofty 4tw! Darwinian Gaming 4tw! Eve 4tw! What more can I say except that I really love reading ranting, angry complaint posts like these. Really. It just makes me feel so. . . superior I remember. . . this guy (lofty) was the first guy to ever blow my ship up in PvP (in some low sec system). Did I complain? Did I rant? No I had a conversation with him on local, saying how fun it was. And don't say I knew the risks and he (the OP) didn't if you accept gang invites from random noobs. lol. /me Hands Zhaine some Pom Poms. Click Me
Katya Guillaume	Posted - 2006.09.05 14:03:00 - [179] Originally by: Grey Area Originally by: lofty29 Im about 600m richer due to a few hours work, and currently working in an undisclosed location, hoping to make the same. B3w4r3!!!!111!1lolz He's in Motsu. Or at least he was tonight. Originally by: lofty29 Sorry, but a ban is unlikely because I was told it was allowed. Warn me sure, make it an exploit and Ill never do it again. I'll meet you halfway. Make it an exploit, reimburse the mission runners you killed, and take 600 million out of your wallet. Happiness all round. Ha, must have been him asking for help "I didn't bring the right resists" business :) thought something was fishy about that - and now I know the name of that pilot.
Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.05 15:37:00 - [180] The lack of response from CCP says it all. Ship lovers click here

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