No love for Pure Blind, huh CCP. I guess the image you were trying to portray with it was....wasteland?

Anoms really weren't buffed, it was just a ploy to make us think that an extra 2-4m per ****** anom would make us happier.

Nebula in PB looks more like a horrible photoshop copy paste than anything nice, but hey at least empire looks nice, right?

No love for Pure Blind, huh CCP. I guess the image you were trying to portray with it was....wasteland?

Anoms really weren't buffed, it was just a ploy to make us think that an extra 2-4m per poor anom would make us happier.

Nebula in PB looks more like a horrible photoshop copy paste than anything nice, but hey at least empire looks nice, right?

Docked in station uses more resources even when CQ is not opened and we're forced to load those resources for CQ even if we don't want to use it, patchnotes said we wouldn't, they lied =\ 15-20% CPU load increase when docked.

Wish I could say nothing but praise, but there were clearly quite a few things overlooked as normal for any patches that have came out. Maybe in a month things will be fixed...

Dammit CCP, I wrong a huge reply to this thread, and then my page got ganked by your site maintenance.

For the most part this is one of my favorite expansions to date. Corp bookmarks are awesome. Missing shots are awesome. Engine trails are awesome. I love the new font, I can read things. I could go through all the awesome line by line, but you could pretty much take the patch notes and remove 1% of them, so the easier option is to go ahead and list that 1%

Primary thing here is the drone hordes. All other regions received a buff to their payouts based on the bounties received. Because drone regions donGÇÖt rely on bounties, they didnGÇÖt get a buff (or for that matter, any direct balance compared to other regions). However, it did effectively receive a huge nerf.

There are several disadvantages to drone hordes already. You have to salvage everything being the primary one. This either requires two accounts (cutting into real life money, or ISK if you play with PLEX), switching ships constantly (which cuts into isk because the hordes now take twice as long), or you have to pay a corp mate to salvage for you (again, cutting into isk). There is also the disadvantage to most pilots that after salvaging you have to turn the drops into liquid isk either by selling them directly, or building something with them. There is a lag created in payout here.

Most drone residents were fine with these disadvantages because there were also advantages, to one site in particular. You could spawn the entire site at once. This means that you didnGÇÖt have to worry about aggro changing from spawn to spawn, so you could run the site in the same amount of time by using a second account or a corp mate. You also didnGÇÖt have to recall drones because the aggro changed. You also had the option of only killing the battleships, taking the loot from those. This decreased the value of the site a bit, but increased the speed at which you could run them, it was generally considered more profitable. The TLDR of all this is that the disadvantages of these sites were offset by the speed at which they could be run, increasing the isk per minute value of them.



In the expansion, by changing them to a wave mechanic, you forgo all of these advantages but still have all of the disadvantages. You can no longer safely have a noctis in the site with you while running the site because of aggro, for the same reason itGÇÖs necessary to periodically recall drones, increasing the time it takes. You also cannot work your way through the spawns killing only battleships and warp a noctis in after, I found out the hard way that it seems you have to kill EVERY ship in the site before the despawn will occur.

This happens at a time that all other regions have received a buff to a greater or lesser degree, effectively increasing the isk/min amount that can be earned from all other sites. I encouraged CCP to look at sites and ensure they were balanced from an isk/min standpoint before the patch, whether this be the suggested change of bounty payouts on drone so they can be directly and fairly balanced or simply changing the mechanics. I have no problem with drone regions being different so long as difficulties are balanced by easiness.

Mostly, I wouldnGÇÖt have a leg to stand on if CCP had looked at them and stated that they were examined and found to be balanced, but the fact that they publicly stated that these were not part of the balance really sucks for those living in that region.

To those saying this is a GÇ£bot nerfGÇ¥, thatGÇÖs ignorance at best. ItGÇÖs been shown time and again that bots can be written to do almost anything. At best this will break them for a few days until the code is updated, and then theyGÇÖll continue to run sites, probably with more efficiency than a human ever could.

Oh, one more feature I love, the ship spinning counter, whatever smartass at CCP put this in, I <3 you. Same with the destroyed monument outside Jita. Overall this is still one of, if not, the best patch to date (IMO). I love the focus on the little things, they are force multipliers that make this game so much more fun to play. Thanks CCP, and keep up the new focus (by balancing drone regions first preferably :P).

-BBK
PS. I can't wait for time dilation, I understand the desire to troubleshoot this on it's own though.
Also, your forums keep eating my BB code, so here's the post I'm trying to reference.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=375781#post375781

You live in crappy space. Just take over a better one if you're unhappy. Where is the fun if all space is equal.

What a negative Nancy.

no thanks for their hard work, no positives, no we just focus on nit picking two features.

Thanks for the expansion guys! Keep up the good work!

A lot of good changes, but one bad undocumented stealth nerf:-

Very disappointed in the new limited amount of personal bookmarks players can have.

While the number now allowed is fine for people living in empire with npc stations everywhere, for 0.0 pvp'ers who roam hostile space and especially fleet commanders who need a lot of tactical bookmarks it's nowhere near enough.

Without the ability to have a large number of bookmarks then there will be less 0.0 roaming and less pvp there as a result.

what the limit at as if they did place an limit i think the only number in which could be an fair number is 300 person safe spot and other bm but the 300 should not include pos and JB as most allaince have an large number of them pos and Jb should have own limit of another 300

While this affects relatively few people, this is annoying as **** for some of us. CCP please do something. Think of the bookmarks.

Damm how many bms do you have? I have 700 that works with patch and i thought that was alot.

Damm how many bms do you have? I have 700 that works with patch and i thought that was alot.

I personally have at least 5000, and I know someone who has over 17000

EDIT: Oh god this was your project? I've never been so glad not to respond to a job offer

Damm how many bms do you have? I have 700 that works with patch and i thought that was alot.

There is a serious problem with the font. I don't like it. I tried UI scaling and its not any better. There must be someway to change the font PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am very disappointed in the new nebulae, they make the game look cheesy.

The whole point of a universe simulation game is that it is supposed to be dark with stars that you can travel to, like Star Trek or Star Wars. The nebulae you've added in Crucible are background wallpapers that we are forced to look at and cannot travel to.

Why implement something that players cannot interact with? At least give me the ability to disable it.

And please give players the ability to customize their font, the default font with Crucible looks disgusting.

Not an impressive expansion. A step backwards actually.

Customs Offices in High Sec will remain under the authority of CONCORD who will, in turn, charge doubled import and export taxes.

OK, we need some confrimation from a Dev here...

P4 items export tax used to be 50,000 isk. It is now 1,350,000 isk, a factor of 27 times higher. This new export price is more than the price of some of these goods pre-patch. This change alone has more than doubled the constuction cost of things like control towers.

From your devblog Player-Owned Customs Office:


CCP, is this intentional, or is your decimal place off by one in your math somewhere??

OK, we need some confrimation from a Dev here...

P4 items export tax used to be 50,000 isk. It is now 1,350,000 isk, a factor of 27 times higher. This new export price is more than the price of some of these goods pre-patch. This change alone has more than doubled the constuction cost of things like control towers.

From your devblog Player-Owned Customs Office:


CCP, is this intentional, or is your decimal place off by one in your math somewhere??

Some animation on the trails, adding light absorption, refraction, etc

I think so, they changed the the base price for P4 to 1,350,000 ISK, the Concord Customs Office says that the tax rate should be 10% ergo 135,000 ISK. So somewhere is the value set to 100% instead of 10%, but then again the tariff size should be smaller than the base price so some bright CCP'er should have a look at that...

Edit:Just tested in game, a P4 product with 10% taxrate(from Concord Customs Office) gets a export tax of 135,000 ISK. Tax used to be 50,000 ISK but since they doubled the tax and increased base price I guess it's fairly safe to say it's working as intended.

However if someone puts a POCO with 100% taxrate, it should land at 1,350,000 ISK

WOW PI Tax is crazy

I only produce water (so P1 i think) and what used to cost me around 11k in tax to export just popped up at 475k for a lower volume.

You live in crappy space. Just take over a better one if you're unhappy. Where is the fun if all space is equal.

what is the person Bm limit at ? As i haven't looked yet at most i believe you would need is 200-300 person Bm and then the Pos ane Jb can justed use the corp Bookmarks

Repair tool downloads, pops up a "waiting" mouse icon for a couple seconds, then exits out having done NOTHING.
Trying to run the repair tool again does NOTHING.
Why do you even include this "repair tool" when it has NEVER EVER FIXED ANYTHING in all the times I've had to try to use it?

Yep... I can't scan down my system either.

Sigs are disappearing.

Trapped in WH space with dwindling fuel supplies.

It's your fitter setting, either use "show all" or check all the different types of sigs and make a new "sig"-filter. Otherwise the sigs will disappear when you get them >25%.

Completely screwed up PI with the excessive taxes. Way to blow it. Instead of doing it right you half-ass rush it into place based on a calendar.

Used to cost a couple K isk to export a load of P2 items... now? 617K to export 5000 precious metals.

What the hell are you all thinking? Setting the tax rate to 5% on a PCO won't be the same as it was before... just on this one product I'm seeing over 200x the cost.

Wow, you failed this big time and are really screwing the market. There needs to be some serious adjustments to taxes for PI.

V3 of Amarr and Minmatar is perhaps the most exiting stuff I'm looking forward to

... this is a great day for EvE.

I would love to be able to scale the ui to any (reasonable) percentage.
90% is a bit too small for me, and 100% a bit too large... At least make an option for 95%

Crucible bug report; some issues which I have been having since the launch.

.....omit....
ii) Whilst in space; although I have all ships, stargates, collidable structures etc enabled on my overview (they are all visible in the overview column) I am not able to see these items in space (they are not identfiable with their relative tags). The only things which I can see in space are mission npc's.
Note: This only happens on one of my accounts.

I downloaded the patch, the patch installed itself, the patch failed, i ran the repairtool, it worked. Nice!

I turned on max details and undocked.


And i was like: OMG! I have spent like one hour idling in space watching my ship flying around in this lovely nebula.

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but nice work to the audio team. The splash screen music is haunting to say the least, it's fantastic.

A lot of good changes, but one bad undocumented stealth nerf:-

Very disappointed in the new limited amount of personal bookmarks players can have.

While the number now allowed is fine for people living in empire with npc stations everywhere, for 0.0 pvp'ers who roam hostile space and especially fleet commanders who need a lot of tactical bookmarks it's nowhere near enough.

Without the ability to have a large number of bookmarks then there will be less 0.0 roaming and less pvp there as a result.

LOL, to all the new font haters ...

Some of us can't see so well due to our advancing years and the new squiggles offer us hope

Maybe a choice of fonts would be good:

1. 20/20
2. Old timers
3. Self abusers

Sooo let me see...If you cant see, entire world should wear glasses?

So are the devs ever going to give us feedback on our feedback concernes?

IE drone region hordes