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Rawthorm
Gallente
The Establishment
Establishment
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Posted - 2006.09.25 16:28:00 -
[151]
 Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: ParMizaN
Trying to tank 100 fighters when you are immobile being shot by a pos is just slightly nerve-wracking :|
Stop exaggerating. There couldn't have been more than 95. 
We had 148 for round two, alas the node crashed twice and thus we spent the next half hour rescooping them instead of launching another offensive 
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zoolkhan
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.25 16:31:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: Shiraz Merlot
Originally by: Lowa
... garbage ...
Nothing riles me more on these forums than the old "I am a programmer and I know best".
Especially since such postings rarely^H^H^H^H^H^Hnever show any insight into, or experience with, distributed real-time systems.
Unless you actually design Top-500 systems yourself, give it a break.
/sm
Trust me I think Lowa knows what hes talking about
I think he does. And he probably also know that the I/O bottleneck doesnt need to be the SAN interface and bandwith to to the iSCSI-LUN only, it could also be the the
raid-size (more disks, more spindles, more i/o)
:P
Back to thread now? :-)
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.25 17:11:00 -
[153]
Yeah, definitely big props to the ISS / U'K guys. You molded right in, accepted commands from an MC FC and TS was even more disciplined as the average MC gang. :)
<3 etc.
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Ben Hump
Minmatar
The Kru
Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2006.09.25 17:26:00 -
[154]
yeah good fighting guys very fun (most of the time)but i have to say something
Total Covert ops kills by the CCK pos in the last 3-4 weeks: 25 like 30% of those cloaks were captured u do the math.... ohh yeah its alot of ISK. but anyways great fights
May contain traces of irony, period and enter do not belong on my keyboard
"Yes Mister Tristan"
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.25 17:32:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Ben Hump
yeah good fighting guys very fun (most of the time)but i have to say something
Total Covert ops kills by the CCK pos in the last 3-4 weeks: 25 like 30% of those cloaks were captured u do the math.... ohh yeah its alot of ISK. but anyways great fights
25 x 0.3 x 60 = 450 mill
That's hardly a tower, is it? :)
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Amantus
Murientor Tribe
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.25 17:33:00 -
[156]
It was indeed a fantastic war and huge, huge thanks to everyone involved. It was insanely fun.
Before the war, It's pretty safe to say that I was really not very good at PvP, being better in a mining barge. Because of the war, I've become much, much more experienced and, even though I'll still mine alot, I'll be in many more PvP gangs than I was. Maybe I'll even do some solo pvp.
So great fight and although I don't really want it to happen, it would be really fun if it could happen again.
Thanks to EST and Veto for being great and smack-free foes.
Amantus
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The Mute
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
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Posted - 2006.09.25 17:46:00 -
[157]
I am honored to have allies such as ISS, Sylph, AXE, ASCN, MC (while the money lasts) and the list goes on. Do not judge the Ushra'Khan by our allies though, judge us by those we fight against, Veto and EST and all the rest, the "Scum" of the universe who I am honored to call Enemy!
Ushra'Khan are stronger now then ever before but so are those we we call Enemy. 9UY became a training ground for new technologies and methods of warefare, all of those who fought in this bloodied starsystem, all of those I mentioned above, have experience which will carry over into the next conflict. We have bred a new generation of warrior here in Providence and the rest of Eve will feel the effect.
UNITY station has survived it's first siege and we are stronger for it. Now begins a new Era for the Ushra'Khan, Time for us to utilize UNITY for the purpose it was built for; to free our brothers and sisters still held in slavery.
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Dr Slaughter
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.25 17:49:00 -
[158]
Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 25/09/2006 17:51:12
Originally by: Lowa
What you say about you and me hit up a Dev with some hard drinks and force a conversation on the matter at FF? 
Cheers,
Lowa
I wish I hadn't started the tech comments. I've worked at/in/on projects for the worlds leading companies for ages but let's leave it at that before this most excellent thread get's derailed with comments about how long we've been in the industry, or that i-scsi is the best/fastest way of addressing block storage (<--- JOKE).
So thats.... 2x (one for each hand) Double JD sounds good
No wait.. I'm not a dev.. dam.
See you on Deck 23
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Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
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Posted - 2006.09.25 17:57:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
So thats.... 2x (one for each hand) Double JD sounds good
Two JD's coming up, tab is on me!
And the configuration above is called "fail-over" you n00b! 
Cheers,
Lowa
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.09.25 17:59:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Originally by: Ben Hump
yeah good fighting guys very fun (most of the time)but i have to say something
Total Covert ops kills by the CCK pos in the last 3-4 weeks: 25 like 30% of those cloaks were captured u do the math.... ohh yeah its alot of ISK. but anyways great fights
25 x 0.3 x 60 = 450 mill
That's hardly a tower, is it? :)
Hehe, no but don't you love it when people grasp at straws? I do.
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Kanae
Minmatar
Vogon Deconstruction Fleet
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.25 18:08:00 -
[161]
It does entertain me that ISS would hire SMASH a group that is 100% opposite of thier views essentially financing thier attacks on other "free space".
but probally bit bias as I'm one of the people under siege in that "free space"...
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dabster
Minmatar
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.09.25 18:12:00 -
[162]
/me imagines watching 150 fighters coming for you
omagawd the pain 
Very nice read this thread :)
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.09.25 18:33:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Kanae
It does entertain me that ISS would hire SMASH a group that is 100% opposite of thier views essentially financing thier attacks on other "free space".
but probally bit bias as I'm one of the people under siege in that "free space"...
ISS didnt hire smash.
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McCool
Spontaneous Defenestration
Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2006.09.25 19:10:00 -
[164]
Edited by: McCool on 25/09/2006 19:11:41
Originally by: Tehyarec
Unfortunately it got blown up my McCool who apparently busted the safespot it was in 
wooops  You should had killed me when I attacked you tho cause you couldnt really lose that fight. It acaully took me quite a while to take down your raven when you logged. Those damn gattling guns dont do much dmg.
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Shiraz Merlot
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.25 22:00:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Lowa
Edited by: Lowa on 25/09/2006 15:41:20
Originally by: Shiraz Merlot
Unless you actually design Top-500 systems yourself, give it a break.
/sm
Since you have no idea what I do in RL I suggest you give it a break. Thanks.
Post your credentials, or can it.
I see "Code it in assembler" as a genius example, which wouldn't make Eve the order-of-magnitude faster you claim - but would make the codebase utterly unmaintainable. No mention or hint of algorithmic complexity, protocol design, object brokering, garbage collection, multi-phase distributed database transactions, locking, threading, stacks vs call graph management, etc. etc.
Don't even bother trying to debate this stuff unless you know it.
/sm
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Tbone
Caldari
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.09.25 22:17:00 -
[166]
Originally by: spoon2
Your defence of the pos was very impressive its a shame about the lag but it was still one of the most intense weekends on Eve Ive experienced, Im sure our TS was as adrenaline filled as yours.
Our vent was pretty calm tbh. I was only one talking, unless my overview wasnt working. Had to use tbone with fighters and tbone jr in covert ops to call targets and setup warp in points. but honestly, first engagement seemed fine, then when my overview quit working and im calling targets that warped or were already dead the node crashed. second attempt i tried again and we know what happened then. third time, i said hell with it, i need to try to get these damn fighters that were anywhere from 10km to 100km outside other POS. Thats why we really couldnt do much the second or third time. All carriers were trying to salvage those damn bugged ass fighters.
Props to all still. I had a blast. lets do this again sometime. I want more MC, i need a seleene killmail.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.25 23:28:00 -
[167]
Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 25/09/2006 23:30:26
Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 25/09/2006 23:29:56
Originally by: Shiraz Merlot
Originally by: Lowa
Edited by: Lowa on 25/09/2006 15:41:20
Originally by: Shiraz Merlot
Unless you actually design Top-500 systems yourself, give it a break.
/sm
Since you have no idea what I do in RL I suggest you give it a break. Thanks.
Post your credentials, or can it.
I see "Code it in assembler" as a genius example, which wouldn't make Eve the order-of-magnitude faster you claim - but would make the codebase utterly unmaintainable. No mention or hint of algorithmic complexity, protocol design, object brokering, garbage collection, multi-phase distributed database transactions, locking, threading, stacks vs call graph management, etc. etc.
Don't even bother trying to debate this stuff unless you know it.
/sm
One thing's for sure, you've been to a lot of way too expensive courses on marketing terms. :)
Real men understand matter and explain it all in layman's terms. :)
(Oh, I have a degree in both continuous and distributed discrete object modeling of complex real world variable systems). (Oops, I can use jargon too!)
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Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
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Posted - 2006.09.25 23:36:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Shiraz Merlot
I see "Code it in assembler" as a genius example, which wouldn't make Eve the order-of-magnitude faster you claim
As it seems like you missed my point (I've quoted and underlined it for you) or perhaps
did not see past what is exactly written? Its not unusual for knowledgable people to do
so when they feel superior talking about something hence it is also their biggest fault;
Not being able to see the whole picture without picking on details not important for
an higher level of discussion.
Quote:
If you could write EVE in assembler (or Windows for that matter) you would most likely
need about 1/10 of the CPU power you have to day and it would run twice as fast.
(It is a very big "what if scenario" I know, just try and understand my point)
Now, as stated, I did not post the 10 times as a fact, it was to get a point across
and the point was that optimized code, what ever the language, is better than non optimized code.
I know assembler is not possible (well, everything is possible but you already pointed out the drawbacks),
I mean there is reason very few things are done in it these days. And besides, the languges
and tools available today are advanced enough to be "good enough".
This is not about what language is best, its about optimization, every software in the world
that is actively being developed gets optimized (some more than others) and EVE is no different.
Personally I wish the industry would focus more on it but with the CPU power ever increasing
why would you spend time on that when you can use it to develop new features and trust brute
horse power to do the optimization for you? Hopefully the HPC thinking of "maximum OP's / CPU-cycle"
will trickle down to general computing someday. Wouldnt you agree?
I hade made a better post (IMHO) but the w***ums decided it was better to screw that up
and make me re-write the whole thing and since my memory sucks its not quite the same.
Cheers,
Lowa
ps. Fancy words is not enough to get a date. Sorry.
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Karn Mithralia
Minmatar
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.26 00:19:00 -
[169]
Originally by: ElCoCo
Btw, when the nodes crashed during the sieges, where your pilots placed "randomly" around the system after logging back in, as if they hadn't spent any ammo, but were missing drones left behind and actual strontium consumed? 
When the node crashed when the ASCN/Axe fleet arrived I was warping in aboard a (t)rusty breacher to engage fighters. I never emerged from warp nor saw the enemy.
I CTD, rejoined game, and found myself still in the breacher, some 100AU away in a random direction. The breacher was missing 2/3rds of its modules and I had a loss mail for it. I was also paid a full insurance payout despite the fact the breacher wasn't mine and wasn't insured afaik.
Oh, and I was apparently killed in the breacher that didn't die by friendly fire.
Weirdness 4tw.
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Corey Grim
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.26 03:01:00 -
[170]
Havent readed the all yet but These threads are the ones i love in EVE-O. someone actually taking time to post what happened is allways very interesting read. about the lag its damn shame, tho you did have couple of "lagless" fights there.
for all parties involved: dont give up, CCP will find way to get the server performance up and going again... someday at least.
oh and for DeMundus: attacking you in my vagabond @ 2006-04-17 23:15:00 was the stupidest thing i have ever done... and that poor vaga was 6 hours old. Im still laughing for myself but damn i wanted to give it a go
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Dentad
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
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Posted - 2006.09.26 03:21:00 -
[171]
Great post by Ange1, and well fought. You can be our enemy anytime *cough*
One node death seemed to happen when we were defending a POS for say 10 min, and I warped away in my Osprey to another POS, which wasn't there. 30 seconds later it loaded/appeared, and 2 seconds after that the node died.
Sheesh I remember when 150 people in a system meant everything lagged to oblivion. After the great hardware upgrade of '06 it improved and you can have 400 or more. Just don't breath on it or it can implode. Fighters are obviously putting a serious strain on.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.26 06:03:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Tbone
Originally by: spoon2
Your defence of the pos was very impressive its a shame about the lag but it was still one of the most intense weekends on Eve Ive experienced, Im sure our TS was as adrenaline filled as yours.
Our vent was pretty calm tbh. I was only one talking, unless my overview wasnt working.
I think he's talking about the post battle rush, m8. 
Originally by: Tbone
Props to all still. I had a blast. lets do this again sometime. I want more MC, i need a seleene killmail.
Oh, I went into Sunday night expecting all kinds of hell. While I was certian we'd take down the tower, I did rename my Moros 'Primary Target'.
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Kumq uat
Gallente
Suffoco Noctis
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.09.26 06:24:00 -
[173]
/signed
I think the thing I had the biggest laugh about was that CVA actually came down and attacked us a few times. I was like, dont these guys hate UK? You would think they would help us here not try to kill us.
www.eve-pirate.com author and goat molestor.
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Eddie Gordo
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.26 07:05:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Kumq uat
/signed
I think the thing I had the biggest laugh about was that CVA actually came down and attacked us a few times. I was like, dont these guys hate UK? You would think they would help us here not try to kill us.
They were still shooting us, they just hate pirates too.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.26 07:33:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Karn Mithralia
Originally by: ElCoCo
Btw, when the nodes crashed during the sieges, where your pilots placed "randomly" around the system after logging back in, as if they hadn't spent any ammo, but were missing drones left behind and actual strontium consumed?
When the node crashed when the ASCN/Axe fleet arrived I was warping in aboard a (t)rusty breacher to engage fighters. I never emerged from warp nor saw the enemy.
I CTD, rejoined game, and found myself still in the breacher, some 100AU away in a random direction. The breacher was missing 2/3rds of its modules and I had a loss mail for it. I was also paid a full insurance payout despite the fact the breacher wasn't mine and wasn't insured afaik.
Oh, and I was apparently killed in the breacher that didn't die by friendly fire.
Weirdness 4tw.
Bah, thats nothing. I came out the far end of a warp tunnel as a very confused Portugese tourist.
Some really weird stuff did happen. I even read that Tehy got sighted in a Raven of all things.
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Tehyarec
Silverleaf Foundation
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Posted - 2006.09.26 10:13:00 -
[176]
Originally by: McCool
wooops You should had killed me when I attacked you tho cause you couldnt really lose that fight. It acaully took me quite a while to take down your raven when you logged. Those damn gattling guns dont do much dmg.
Hmm you must've mistaken the situation - I'm referring to unmanned safespotted Merlin, Cormorant and Breacher you killed with a Crusader or some such.
Did lose my Domi to you and SI Sven when first entering Providence through KBP in late July though - darned backup was too far to help properly. Then proceeded to travel to Unity in a pod without instas At any rate, that's actually the only time the two of us have clashed
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.09.26 10:54:00 -
[177]
Edited by: welsh wizard on 26/09/2006 10:55:57
The age of the Battleship is over.
PosCapital******liance-Online ftl.
Still, interesting stuff, shame about the lag.
edit: apparently (s hipal) is a naughty word? lol
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VileLust
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.26 10:58:00 -
[178]
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I'm certain we'd killed one or two dreads today if we'd tried. But then we'd lost too many fighters to your support fleet (pretty much exactly 150 fighters assigned). yay for advicing your enemies on that \o/) and not been able to keep defending the other POSes - so we had to try deal with your support. Unfortunately, 2 node crashes in 10 minutes totally mess up fighters.
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True, but that works both ways. As for the rest, there's no telling what might have happened, but I'm sure your frigates enjoyed those first couple minutes when they engaged our support today.
I was one of their first targets - not a good idea for them :) <-- 8 smartbombs were on my typhoon. If yall are wondering where most of your fighters went...
I lost 2 BS's 17 frigs and 2 cruisers in this war. Killed about 7 ships, 5 pods, and atleast 30 fighters.
Great fights, and my hats off to the invader... after taking the loss of a carrier(btw that carrier got his ass kicked), dread, two more dreads... and still trying to fight it out. That takes balls :)
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Mynas Atoch
Caldari
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.26 11:24:00 -
[179]
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 26/09/2006 11:26:43
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 26/09/2006 11:24:58
My favorite moment of The Unity War was sitting 100km under a Thanatos shield repping and an Archon cap transferring to it with eight wings of fighters attached to frigates several AU on the other side of it, all poised to unleash destruction any .. second ... now.....GO GO GO! YES!!! Having that amount of voice activated dps in the high slots of my Buzzard and seeing it rip apart a carrier in seconds was what makes all the frustrations of this game so insignificant.
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Minmatar Control Tower for cementing my place as the most catastrophic pilot in ISS history to sit in a Buzzard. Four lost Buzzards for no kill mails in a three week war is surely a record that will stand the test of time.
Myn
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.09.26 12:24:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Minmatar Control Tower for cementing my place as the most catastrophic pilot in ISS history to sit in a Buzzard. Four lost Buzzards for no kill mails in a three week war is surely a record that will stand the test of time.
lol
No-one can accuse you of whoring killboard points
This is exactly why I use the covops alt PLUS a battleship. And yes, I second the carrier gank. Was very nicely done.
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