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Christine Peeveepeeski Low Sec Concepts 711	Posted - 2015.02.15 22:11:00 - [31] - Quote You know what, I would love to see WIS become an actual thing as a technical achievement. What i wouldn't want to see is the forum explosion form all the people that talk on everyone elses behalf. The primary issue is that if the WIS was on top of the usual updates no one would bat an eyelid if the resources used by CCP were transparent.
Serene Repose 2248	Posted - 2015.02.15 22:30:30 - [32] - Quote Okay. Thanks for all the corrections. Not that I'd incite a riot just to get a barstool, noooooo. The trend I see here is a lot of folks that don't know the difference from presentations meant to impress the gaming world, and real life. Those of us who do are well aware of the Thunderthreads which follow every Fanfest. I'm a fan of those, as well as the game. Hey....it's been four months now, and what they "promised" us at Fanfest....etc., etc. I thought there was a problem. My bad. Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
Seven Koskanaiken Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 1409	Posted - 2015.02.15 22:38:58 - [33] - Quote Why is this such a technical challenge? Hasn't "avatar in 3D environment" been the basis of pretty much all games since 1992?
Sentry 10 Stellar Regional Survey 26	Posted - 2015.02.15 22:46:32 - [34] - Quote If this is a petition then consider it signed. I want WiS
Serene Repose 2248	Posted - 2015.02.15 22:54:29 - [35] - Quote Seven Koskanaiken wrote: Why is this such a technical challenge? Hasn't "avatar in 3D environment" been the basis of pretty much all games since 1992? Technical challenge? Nobody said it was a technical challenge. Do whuh?? Sentry 10 wrote: If this is a petition then consider it signed. I want WiS ROFL. It's a dead issue. Vote all you want. I want to own California! Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3755	Posted - 2015.02.15 23:14:50 - [36] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: [quote=Aston Martin DB5](...) There is NO evidence CCP told the world they were going to create a game within a game, bars/social areas...just didn't happen. (...) You missed the news, but that's exactly what CCP was saying and doing in 2007. http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/previews/2611-EVE-Online-War-on-the-Impossible-Part-3-Ambulation (Everyone interested in WiS should) read that and cry. Cry if you still have any tear left to cry for Ambulation/WiS/Incarna/The game EVE will never last long enough to become. Because that article still stands true. EVE still is a males-only game with little appeal to 90% of gamers, male and female, for no good reason since additional gameplay could be added as long as it didn't interfered with the FiS serious business -or could be developed to interfere with it in the same way as pew pew interferes with everything else. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Seven Koskanaiken Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 1409	Posted - 2015.02.15 23:14:56 - [37] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: Seven Koskanaiken wrote: Why is this such a technical challenge? Hasn't "avatar in 3D environment" been the basis of pretty much all games since 1992? Technical challenge? Nobody said it was a technical challenge. Do whuh?? Sentry 10 wrote: If this is a petition then consider it signed. I want WiS ROFL. It's a dead issue. Vote all you want. I want to own California! Well the way people speak it seems to take a hundred million dollars and 3 years of dev time.
Boozbaz Brutor Clan 5	Posted - 2015.02.16 00:59:22 - [38] - Quote I'd love to see walking in stations. It would a whole new layer to the multiplayer experience. It would be fun to trade with other players and actually see their avatars. Or to mingle with the fleet mates on teamspeak and see our avatars at the bar while we wait for the fleet to form up. A lot of players spend a lot of time in stations. I think walking in stations would be really good, as long as it is worked on in the background while other stuff is still being done up front.
Allant Doran Patriot Security Services New Signature 62	Posted - 2015.02.16 01:07:38 - [39] - Quote My only problem with WiS was that it was given SO much attention over all other things. If CCP said it was coming, bigger and better, but that they had a small team, working bit by bit on it, and that nothing else would be sacrificed to push WiS harder then I'd be totally okay with WiS. Some people hate it just on the principal that it's cool to hate on WiS these days.
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises 17166	Posted - 2015.02.16 02:07:17 - [40] - Quote Honestly, I love the way EVE is going right now- especially story-wise and with current happenings. If, instead of being the forefront of development, fun little extra WIS things could come to us bit-by-bit (more places, customization of the CQ with furniture [which has a section in the files!], meeting other pilots "in person" either in open areas, bars, in-person agents, AURA, visiting other CQs) there's a lot of possibility for fun while keeping the core of EVE at the helm. Also, there seems to be a "jog" animation for us in the files, if I see it correctly. But again- if WIS was a fun extra thing like ship painting and our clothes, then I'd be all for it- so long as it's never the "main" thing. Also, the hate is unwarranted at this point- everyone's hopping on the train outright and it's very strange A City made of Wood is built in the forest A City made of Stone is built in the mountains But a City made of Dreams...is built in heaven. Jovian Proverb GÖâ
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 37681	Posted - 2015.02.16 02:16:13 - [41] - Quote You and your files spying mastery. Please never change. Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote: everyone's hopping on the train outright and it's very strange Well, maybe not everyone, but yeah isn't it beautiful. I think EVE's sociology regarding this topic has shifted dramatically over the past two years. There are still some die hard haters, but by and large much of the stigma attatched to things avatar-related has gone. Things are being fed to us slowly and gently, and it's evolving naturally as a result of growing interest. These days it's become okay to enjoy avatars a bit, whereas three years ago you'd be driven from the forums with torches and pitchforks for even mentioning it. Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again! Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel The Endgame \| Wormhole Diaries
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises 17168	Posted - 2015.02.16 02:17:35 - [42] - Quote Erica Dusette wrote: I think EVE's sociology regarding this topic has shifted dramatically over the past two years. There are still some die hard haters, but by and large much of the stigma attatched to things avatar-related has gone. Things are being fed to us slowly and gently, and it's evolving naturally as a result of growing interest. These days it's become okay to enjoy avatars a bit, whereas three years ago you'd be driven from the forums with torches and pitchforks for even mentioning it. Exactly haha- as long there isn't another "greed is good" fiasco or it becomes too much of "the big thing", then there may not be too much of a problem Also, not to suggest anything or say it'd be cost effective or anything: but it would have been really cool if the WoD developers had been turned to WIS after it closed down. Atlanta would have been the WIS HQ and Reykjavik would be the EVE HQ. A City made of Wood is built in the forest A City made of Stone is built in the mountains But a City made of Dreams...is built in heaven. Jovian Proverb GÖâ
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 926	Posted - 2015.02.16 04:42:46 - [43] - Quote There are three simple reasons allow us to invite each other into our Captain's Quarters: 1) Role-Players 2) Weirdos that don't find rubbing ships together good enough. 3) $$$ - think people want to buy clothes to show to no one? ( I bet trousers and shoes are flying off the shelves! ) CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 37711	Posted - 2015.02.16 04:51:15 - [44] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: There are three simple reasons allow us to invite each other into our Captain's Quarters: 1) Role-Players 2) Weirdos that don't find rubbing ships together good enough. 3) $$$ - think people want to buy clothes to show to no one? ( I bet trousers and shoes are flying off the shelves! ) Okay. With that post you've just got a spot on the ballot of my 10 accounts. Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again! Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel The Endgame \| Wormhole Diaries
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 3147	Posted - 2015.02.16 05:04:14 - [45] - Quote Abrazzar wrote: We raised a riot, shot up the Jita monument and convinced CCP to drop development of non-space content in favour of fixing existing issues and reiterating on abandoned features. And now, WIS is itself an abandoned feature. Many are waiting for it to be iterated. After all, you can never fix everything else first, because we will never agree it's all been fixed. One player's fix is anothers big mistake. Maybe we need a little development balance. Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1400	Posted - 2015.02.16 05:16:20 - [46] - Quote Hating on WIS at the time was justifiable it sucked. Still hating on WIS 6 years later is seen by many players as a way to get Epeen and show what a leet hardcore PvP player they are. I definitely know several female gamers that dismissed EVE the instant they realized you cannot really get out of your ship.
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 927	Posted - 2015.02.16 05:50:40 - [47] - Quote Erica Dusette wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: There are three simple reasons allow us to invite each other into our Captain's Quarters: 1) Role-Players 2) Weirdos that don't find rubbing ships together good enough. 3) $$$ - think people want to buy clothes to show to no one? ( I bet trousers and shoes are flying off the shelves! ) Okay. With that post you've just got a spot on the ballot of my 10 accounts. (Unless it's sarcasm, in which case I'll just stick to voting corbexx and no one else lol) It is playfulness mixed with a bit of common sense. Relatively speaking, being able to spawn someone's avatar in your Captain's Quarters is pretty small, the assets all exists, it is just getting the avatars together and checking they are in the same station when the invitation is issued. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Cancel Align NOW Greater Order Of Destruction The Good Christian Society 446	Posted - 2015.02.16 06:45:09 - [48] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/previews/2611-EVE-Online-War-on-the-Impossible-Part-3-Ambulation I hate to be flippant about the topic, but the title of the article is correct: CCP declared war on the impossible and almost lost. There is nothing wrong with the concept of WIS, the implementation of the system was awful enough to stop CCP dead in its tracks. Most companies are reticent to repeat previous mistakes and I doubt CCP will be keen to touch that hornets nest until they know their bottom line is secure for another few years.
Cancel Align NOW Greater Order Of Destruction The Good Christian Society 446	Posted - 2015.02.16 06:49:08 - [49] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Erica Dusette wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: There are three simple reasons allow us to invite each other into our Captain's Quarters: 1) Role-Players 2) Weirdos that don't find rubbing ships together good enough. 3) $$$ - think people want to buy clothes to show to no one? ( I bet trousers and shoes are flying off the shelves! ) Okay. With that post you've just got a spot on the ballot of my 10 accounts. (Unless it's sarcasm, in which case I'll just stick to voting corbexx and no one else lol) It is playfulness mixed with a bit of common sense. Relatively speaking, being able to spawn someone's avatar in your Captain's Quarters is pretty small, the assets all exists, it is just getting the avatars together and checking they are in the same station when the invitation is issued. How much extra wok does a graphics card have to do if there are two avatars in the same captains quarters?
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3757	Posted - 2015.02.16 07:54:07 - [50] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Erica Dusette wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: There are three simple reasons allow us to invite each other into our Captain's Quarters: 1) Role-Players 2) Weirdos that don't find rubbing ships together good enough. 3) $$$ - think people want to buy clothes to show to no one? ( I bet trousers and shoes are flying off the shelves! ) Okay. With that post you've just got a spot on the ballot of my 10 accounts. (Unless it's sarcasm, in which case I'll just stick to voting corbexx and no one else lol) It is playfulness mixed with a bit of common sense. Relatively speaking, being able to spawn someone's avatar in your Captain's Quarters is pretty small, the assets all exists, it is just getting the avatars together and checking they are in the same station when the invitation is issued. My hunch feeling is that CCP doens't wnats to feed the WiSers. Give them multiplayer CQ, next will come demands for animations, emotes and God knows what else. And being frank, currently WiS' whole relevance for CCP is a team of TWO (2) developers... and some people oppose that formally in the CSM minutes. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 29925	Posted - 2015.02.16 08:33:52 - [51] - Quote I want to believe Xander was joking when he said that bit about avatar development. Don't post on the forums, devs don't read it. Send GMs your questions with support tickets. Don't be silent.
Josef Djugashvilis 2884	Posted - 2015.02.16 08:35:30 - [52] - Quote Waliking in Stations, an idea without content. This is not a signature.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 29925	Posted - 2015.02.16 08:40:02 - [53] - Quote not unlike your post Don't post on the forums, devs don't read it. Send GMs your questions with support tickets. Don't be silent.
Josef Djugashvilis 2884	Posted - 2015.02.16 08:57:53 - [54] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: not unlike your post Perhaps you would care to list the content we missed out on from the binning of WiS? My post has more content than WiS ever had This is not a signature.
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 37724	Posted - 2015.02.16 09:17:52 - [55] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Erica Dusette wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: There are three simple reasons allow us to invite each other into our Captain's Quarters: 1) Role-Players 2) Weirdos that don't find rubbing ships together good enough. 3) $$$ - think people want to buy clothes to show to no one? ( I bet trousers and shoes are flying off the shelves! ) Okay. With that post you've just got a spot on the ballot of my 10 accounts. (Unless it's sarcasm, in which case I'll just stick to voting corbexx and no one else lol) It is playfulness mixed with a bit of common sense. Relatively speaking, being able to spawn someone's avatar in your Captain's Quarters is pretty small, the assets all exists, it is just getting the avatars together and checking they are in the same station when the invitation is issued. My hunch feeling is that CCP doens't wnats to feed the WiSers. Give them multiplayer CQ, next will come demands for animations, emotes and God knows what else. And being frank, currently WiS' whole relevance for CCP is a team of TWO (2) developers... and some people oppose that formally in the CSM minutes. I think you're great, and not just because you're a fellow avatar lover, but why do you always have to post so pessimistically about the topic? It does get a little painful to see at times lol hugz Avatar stuff is trickling in and doesn't look like stopping anytime soon. There are Devs dedicated to it, even if only a couple. And with folks like corbexx (and candidates like Jenshae) we are being represented and strides forward, no matter how small, have been made. They will keep being made if we vote for people like them who don't mind spending a little of their time taking this stuff seriously on our behalf. From what I've seen the Devs are receptive, we just need to keep those strides to a realistic distance. Even just a shared CQ in the context Jen talks about would be an enormous step forward, and in itself a catalyst for more future change, so let's be optimistic instead, take baby steps and when we have opportunities like the CSM elections use our votes to put more pro-avatar development CSMs in office. Good times. Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again! Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel The Endgame \| Wormhole Diaries
Sequester Risalo Significant Others 55	Posted - 2015.02.16 09:21:23 - [56] - Quote Tarpedo wrote: EVE will be the only WiS-less spaceship game in 2016. And only one with mandatory subscription fee. EVE will be the only spaceship game making solid profits in 2016 - and the only one still around in 2020 If a game is good, people will pay to play it. If a game is less than good, only very few people will play it, even for free. Syncaine's challenge to name a succesful F2P MMO still stands.
Vyl Vit 1055	Posted - 2015.02.16 09:22:59 - [57] - Quote No one disputes it'd be an enormous step. Claiming it's "forward" is just your opinion. It isn't widely shared by THIS player base. OF the enormous steps that need to be taken, and should be taken, is this ONE of them? Not likely, no matter how dear to your heart it may be. You're the eye-candy fan? Fine. Info panels still rule this game. Praise be the text! Anyone with any sense has already left town.
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 37724	Posted - 2015.02.16 09:30:43 - [58] - Quote Vyl Vit wrote: No one disputes it'd be an enormous step. Claiming it's "forward" is just your opinion. It isn't widely shared by THIS player base. OF the enormous steps that need to be taken, and should be taken, is this ONE of them? Not likely, no matter how dear to your heart it may be. You're the eye-candy fan? Fine. Info panels still rule this game. Praise be the text! Sure, vote for anti-avatar development CSMs then, as is your right. Or anti-highsec, or wormhole, or faction war, or indy or whatever it is that hits your buttons in EVE. I have been, and it's been fantastic to see results. That's what I call steps forward. While we're on the way forward I'll keep enjoying EVE as I love it right now, murdering folks in wormholes and spending my downtime writing and RPing. Praise be to the text! I'll shout you a commiseratory beer in my CQ one day. Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again! Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel The Endgame \| Wormhole Diaries
Baneken Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 471	Posted - 2015.02.16 10:41:06 - [59] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: There are three simple reasons allow us to invite each other into our Captain's Quarters: 1) Role-Players 2) Weirdos that don't find rubbing ships together good enough. 3) $$$ - think people want to buy clothes to show to no one? ( I bet trousers and shoes are flying off the shelves! ) This and also reason I would love to have WiS and also because of immersion in that there's more then just a pod and a space ship in a 2 dimensional 3 dimensional world of submarines. However if WiS or the servers would actually support multiplayer in any easy to fit manner I think CCP would had done it by now and considering the way EVE is built on a top of an SQL-database I consider even the current WiS as a remarkable achievement. They could however add some small things such a 'video conference' for that screen in the CQ or at least let you watch pn err your own videos from it while you wk I mean station trade all day long.
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 727	Posted - 2015.02.16 11:25:49 - [60] - Quote Walking in Stations is down and bleeding out, all the plasters in the world can't fix that shotgun wound to the gut. It either needs major surgery, or nailing into its box and dumping in the ground. Since the Incarna debacle I've always maintained the WiS advocates would be better off campaigning for the Ambulation files to be fetched out of whatever bin or dusty basement they were stashed in, and everything to do with WiS set on fire and forgotten, than to pine for that life-saving surgery that isn't coming. Yes, its technologically arguably a step back, and people would have to stomoach their distaste of losing their hyper-detailed, but utterly worthless avatars. But instituting Ambulation, and using it as a base to bring things forward from, is better than fishing around hopefully in the spilled intestines of WiS looking for a miracle.

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