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Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.02.24 15:38:29 -
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Not reading this thread, but just wanted to say,
Walkers in Stations will probably encounter some copyright problems.
That is all.
CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16145
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Posted - 2015.02.24 19:15:09 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Dave kazkade wrote:I bet no dev's will give any say on WiS, because there is probably no development going on with it, I think we have to accept the fact that no matter how cool WiS would be, it will be a feature that will never show up in eve, dev's have not stated anything about it. plenty of people are asking for it, but instead we get t3 destroyers and allot of useless things that would not change the game as well and WiS would experience wise. And this is saying something because I live in wormhole space were stations dont even exist, still, walking in stations would at least add a layer to gameplay that people would have wished ccp would have started working on sooner.
CCP has stated twice, through their Executive Producers, that WiS is not something they are interested with, and CCP Seagull was more specific stating that even if they did something like it, it would be as a separate game in the "franchise". And she was not talking about Legion but about some other game CCP wouldn't be able to develop until 6-8 years from now. As facts speak louder than words (and very specially with CCP), they just wrote off the technology used for WiS, fired everyone who worked on it and all but closed the office working on it. That of course doesn't changes the inconvenient fact that some players want more avatar content.
Indy, me old mate, it looks like you're finally winning out of the Depression stage, through to Acceptance.
CCP just announced 30 day trials. Why not start your RvB alt now?
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.02.24 20:32:51 -
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Malcanis wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Dave kazkade wrote:I bet no dev's will give any say on WiS, because there is probably no development going on with it, I think we have to accept the fact that no matter how cool WiS would be, it will be a feature that will never show up in eve, dev's have not stated anything about it. plenty of people are asking for it, but instead we get t3 destroyers and allot of useless things that would not change the game as well and WiS would experience wise. And this is saying something because I live in wormhole space were stations dont even exist, still, walking in stations would at least add a layer to gameplay that people would have wished ccp would have started working on sooner.
CCP has stated twice, through their Executive Producers, that WiS is not something they are interested with, and CCP Seagull was more specific stating that even if they did something like it, it would be as a separate game in the "franchise". And she was not talking about Legion but about some other game CCP wouldn't be able to develop until 6-8 years from now. As facts speak louder than words (and very specially with CCP), they just wrote off the technology used for WiS, fired everyone who worked on it and all but closed the office working on it. That of course doesn't changes the inconvenient fact that some players want more avatar content. Indy, me old mate, it looks like you're finally winning out of the Depression stage, through to Acceptance. CCP just announced 30 day trials. Why not start your RvB alt now?
Hey, in the last months, I made my first PvP kill, and just three weeks ago, I podded someone!
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Serene Repose
2303
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Posted - 2015.02.24 20:46:58 -
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Okay. I'll spill the beans. We already walk around in stations. Only, our hikes are limited to our quarters. Why? All the station floors have just been mopped and we aren't allowed on them for insurance reasons.
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Anslo
Scope Works Overload Everything
30246
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Posted - 2015.02.24 20:47:46 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Okay. I'll spill the beans. We already walk around in stations. Only, our hikes are limited to our quarters. Why? All the station floors have just been mopped and we aren't allowed on them for insurance reasons. I actually lol'd IRL. I don't know why. But I did. thank you for this.
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
39258
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Posted - 2015.02.24 21:31:22 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:That of course doesn't changes the inconvenient fact that some players want more avatar content. And getting it.
I like your yellow catsuit.
Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!
Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel
The Endgame | Wormhole Diaries
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
39258
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Posted - 2015.02.24 21:34:56 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:You seem surprised lol
EVE is very far from being the perfect RP platform. There are other games that are far better because people can more easily accept being an elf or a satyr or a fellow in a Star Trek uniform than they can accept being a spaceship. The nods to EVE's RP community are few and far between. Sure, there are exploding stars and Drifters which can be solo'd by Ventures, but none of those are particularly compelling enough in the whole. The RP experience is an afterthought and really only perpetuates itself because of the imagination and tenacity of that community. That said, Jen's idea grossly underestimates the development effort. I get this from CCP's clothing workshop where something as trivial to us as a new hair model was a ton of work for a developer (I believe they are not exaggerating one bit). Jen's idea also "opens" the CQ door without any modifications that would be a basis for immersion. Without a necessary amount of immersion the feature would not see widescale use. I don't think jumping on any novelty idea is particularly good for the game, even if short term it might seem like a cool thing to you. I support well formed ideas with a solid 30,000 foot view, not hacks conceived of on the back of a napkin without any long term value to the game. I haven't even read those posts so have no idea what you're talking about.
I think you missed the context of my comment.
Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!
Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
23035
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Posted - 2015.02.24 21:49:30 -
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Erica, I'm sorry I misunderstood you. And please go get some sleep
Rush to danger, wind up nowhere
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
39261
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Posted - 2015.02.24 21:52:01 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Erica, I'm sorry I misunderstood you. And please go get some sleep Excuse me?
Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16145
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Posted - 2015.02.24 22:22:10 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Indy, me old mate, it looks like you're finally winning out of the Depression stage, through to Acceptance.
CCP just announced 30 day trials. Why not start your RvB alt now?
Hey, in the last months, I made my first PvP kill, and just three weeks ago, I podded someone!
GÖÑ
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries Fortis Et Certus
178
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Posted - 2015.02.24 22:31:51 -
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So after 309 replies about this WiS, it seems the lack agreement never seems to suprice the forum.
And its not the first time this has been discussed, so its in my view, a doublestandard here. Usually redundant post are closed, why hasnt this been closed?
2nd... when a post gets so much replies and there are a endless rant back and fourth, With a no distant future of some agreement, CCP should really come With a statement to shut you People up. |
ACESsiggy
University of Caille
30
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Posted - 2015.02.24 22:50:24 -
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Goatman NotMyFault wrote:So after 309 replies about this WiS, it seems the lack agreement never seems to suprice the forum.
And its not the first time this has been discussed, so its in my view, a doublestandard here. Usually redundant post are closed, why hasnt this been closed?
2nd... when a post gets so much replies and there are a endless rant back and fourth, With a no distant future of some agreement, CCP should really come With a statement to shut you People up.
Just like jump animation thread?
Thanks for adding something meaningful to this post lol
Hopefully they add "run" option for our characters (shift key) to make it feel more fluid getting around if they ever do create WiS.
Pretty complete game if you ask me if WiS was added with meaningful content and a dust 514 PC version for some FPS ground game action.
GÇ£The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.GÇ¥
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.02.24 23:16:58 -
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Goatman NotMyFault wrote:So after 309 replies about this WiS, it seems the lack agreement never seems to suprice the forum.
And its not the first time this has been discussed, so its in my view, a doublestandard here. Usually redundant post are closed, why hasnt this been closed?
2nd... when a post gets so much replies and there are a endless rant back and fourth, With a no distant future of some agreement, CCP should really come With a statement to shut you People up.
A statement? CCP can state what they want. We also can state what we want... And my guess is that we are not alone outside of CCP, but within CCP there are also a few people who think like us.
Of course their opinion may have a crapton less doom and gloom than mine, and less wishful thinking than Erica's, but even after 4 years EVE still haves some nice avatars with lots of potential. They're real and WoD proved that they were functional.
CCP is on the wrong road, but they still can take another one. If they dare to.
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Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries Fortis Et Certus
178
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Posted - 2015.02.24 23:33:34 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Goatman NotMyFault wrote:So after 309 replies about this WiS, it seems the lack agreement never seems to suprice the forum.
And its not the first time this has been discussed, so its in my view, a doublestandard here. Usually redundant post are closed, why hasnt this been closed?
2nd... when a post gets so much replies and there are a endless rant back and fourth, With a no distant future of some agreement, CCP should really come With a statement to shut you People up. A statement? CCP can state what they want. We also can state what we want... And my guess is that we are not alone outside of CCP, but within CCP there are also a few people who think like us. Of course their opinion may have a crapton less doom and gloom than mine, and less wishful thinking than Erica's, but even after 4 years EVE still haves some nice avatars with lots of potential. They're real and WoD proved that they were functional. CCP is on the wrong road, but they still can take another one. If they dare to.
Well it would be interesting to actually see CCP comee With a comment about this issue or others With much attention.
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Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
451
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Posted - 2015.02.24 23:39:45 -
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To answer the question as to what happened to WiS, the final word on it, before being consigned to a very dusty shelf, is here:
CCP Unifex has the final, final word. The end. Period.
I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
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DaReaper
Net 7
1808
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Posted - 2015.02.25 00:03:14 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Corwin Valour wrote:Walking in station is a good and bad thing. From the stand point of Starcitizen it is all about imersion. Take this video of the game: CitizenCon 2014: Persistent Universe Demo As for Eve Online, I'm not sure it is needed as it doesn't really fit with the way the game has been designed. Well said. That video proves that their are different kinds of gamers. I know people who experience pants creaming upon seeing the kind of things you see in that video... It simply doesn't do a damn thing for me. I look at it and think "man, that's a whole lot of time wasting there, I prefer to do it like EVE, dock, smash buttons, undock". 20 years ago (when I was, well, a 20 year old lol) that kind of thing would have made me turn flips, now it just seems like useless fluff. The same kind of useless fluff that a few people want to see in EVE for some reason.
yea unfortunately i look at a lot of SC video's and think '**** that looks boring." Walking to a ship, fliping your helmet, climbing in waititng for the ship be aligned, even if it takes 1-2 min... is 1-2 min less i can play. Just liek landing in planets, oo i can walk around my ship as my ship lands... it just taxes 5 min to land the damn thing.. and thats 5 min i could be playing... yea.. no.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16145
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Posted - 2015.02.25 00:17:52 -
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Goatman NotMyFault wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Goatman NotMyFault wrote:So after 309 replies about this WiS, it seems the lack agreement never seems to suprice the forum.
And its not the first time this has been discussed, so its in my view, a doublestandard here. Usually redundant post are closed, why hasnt this been closed?
2nd... when a post gets so much replies and there are a endless rant back and fourth, With a no distant future of some agreement, CCP should really come With a statement to shut you People up. A statement? CCP can state what they want. We also can state what we want... And my guess is that we are not alone outside of CCP, but within CCP there are also a few people who think like us. Of course their opinion may have a crapton less doom and gloom than mine, and less wishful thinking than Erica's, but even after 4 years EVE still haves some nice avatars with lots of potential. They're real and WoD proved that they were functional. CCP is on the wrong road, but they still can take another one. If they dare to. Well it would be interesting to actually see CCP comee With a comment about this issue or others With much attention.
They have. They're not doing WiS. How much clearer can they possibly be short of writing "We're not doing WiS" on you front lawn with kerosene and lighting it on fire the day before your birthday?
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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DaReaper
Net 7
1808
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Posted - 2015.02.25 00:19:18 -
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One more note:
I have heard that ccp might revieal a new product at fan fest (no i have no source, as i said its a roumer) and as they are not doing a dust/legion key note, and the eve keynote is on thurs... there is an awefully big spot to fill on Friday where a key note COULD be
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
22323
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Posted - 2015.02.25 00:22:17 -
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Goatman NotMyFault wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Goatman NotMyFault wrote:So after 309 replies about this WiS, it seems the lack agreement never seems to suprice the forum.
And its not the first time this has been discussed, so its in my view, a doublestandard here. Usually redundant post are closed, why hasnt this been closed?
2nd... when a post gets so much replies and there are a endless rant back and fourth, With a no distant future of some agreement, CCP should really come With a statement to shut you People up. A statement? CCP can state what they want. We also can state what we want... And my guess is that we are not alone outside of CCP, but within CCP there are also a few people who think like us. Of course their opinion may have a crapton less doom and gloom than mine, and less wishful thinking than Erica's, but even after 4 years EVE still haves some nice avatars with lots of potential. They're real and WoD proved that they were functional. CCP is on the wrong road, but they still can take another one. If they dare to. Well it would be interesting to actually see CCP comee With a comment about this issue or others With much attention. According to some here they already have and it's the be all and end all.
But the thing is we already know the official stance on the old wis concept. But despite the no-wis position we're still seeing gradual yet tiny developments on the avatar side of things all the time. So where does that leave us?
It'd be like asking for CCP to give a statement saying they'll never close, never merge, never move offices. They just can't give a definitive or ultimate answer on the future like that, let alone a promise, only the present and a stone's thread ahead.
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Jack Miton > everyone knows im the best dusette
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
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Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries Fortis Et Certus
178
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Posted - 2015.02.25 01:14:47 -
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In my opinion, or onion, I think EVE would been much more "healthier" With WiS. These days, aint many that really looking forward to the "NeXT big release"... Yeah some few, like some parts of the releases, but i fear that the majority of players couldnt care less. And the forum dont reflekt the hole playerbase of EVE. If all players had used the Forum, i belive there would be much more pro's than con's
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Steppa Musana
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.02.25 08:31:49 -
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Goatman NotMyFault wrote:In my opinion, or onion, I think EVE would been much more "healthier" With WiS. These days, aint many that really looking forward to the "NeXT big release"... Yeah some few, like some parts of the releases, but i fear that the majority of players couldnt care less. And the forum dont reflekt the hole playerbase of EVE. If all players had used the Forum, i belive there would be much more pro's than con's
I also think the antiWiS attitiude of CCP is a knee jerk reaction to players crying about it. I mean theres more people that talk **** about mining than WiS, and yet we still have improvements to that. I get the idea that if mining wasnt introduced yet, CCP would call it a "mistake" and pull back on realeasing it on the basis of the CODE and Goon trolls crying. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
23186
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Posted - 2015.02.25 10:53:57 -
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Steppa Musana wrote: I also think the antiWiS attitiude of CCP is a knee jerk reaction to players crying about it. I mean theres more people that talk **** about mining than WiS, and yet we still have improvements to that. I get the idea that if mining wasnt introduced yet, CCP would call it a "mistake" and pull back on realeasing it on the basis of the CODE and Goon trolls crying.
Not sure the analogy works because mining has a role in the life cycle from resource to product. It forms a core part of the market (though not necessarily profitable in most ways).
WIS is not functional, like mining is. It is a luxury product. Something that is desirable by some.
EVE has been operating on basic rations for a while. The nice to haves have mostly been concentrated on the core product because that's what people have come to sub for.
I think mining and WIS are similar in one way:
For mining I don't think CCP has a solution to solve the problem of boredom and monotony associated with the activity. Many people have suggested ideas (ie: minigames, comets), but there isn't a single one that really clicks by making it interesting without losing mining's already dismal ISK/hr.
CCP by its own admission doesn't have a WIS solution either. How would it integrate into the game? How would it be compelling enough such that the larger percentage of EVE players use it such as to justify its development cost? I've yet to see a satisfying answer (or better yet, any answer) for these 2 questions. People always talk about why they might personally use it but that's not particularly compelling in and of itself.
Rush to danger, wind up nowhere
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
23186
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Posted - 2015.02.25 11:07:04 -
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Sorry for the second post but it keeps timing out when I try to edit previous.
I wanted to add another thought about mining. CODE folks do have a point about mining which is an important criticism of the activity: Mining doesn't particularly integrate that well with the rest of EVE either. Fleet mining is a thing, but not particularly prevalent for the more lucrative mining resources, especially gas. The career lends itself to solo play and isolation, and typically doesn't come with the sort of tense moments you get with Explo. The skills you build (I don't mean training) with mining doesn't help you play the rest of the game.
It's sort of like its own black hole with Netflix or some other outside-of-EVE thing to keep you company. Quite like the CQ which you might be sitting alone inside.
Rush to danger, wind up nowhere
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
22386
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Posted - 2015.02.25 11:09:08 -
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I think Steppa was using the analogy from more of a social context. In which case it's very accurate.
As for compelling reasons to justify it's development you mention not having seen any answers, yet I can see one right now looking at your portrait. It's already generating revenue even without wis. Avatar items, accesories and features found in the NeX, for example. It's doing pretty well, these days it's almost become harder to spot an avatar in default clothes than it is to find one wearing an NeX item.
But right now all that stuff is just like buying a fancy sports car. Looks great, and that's enough for many people like me to spend the money on one anyway, even though there's no race track around to really drive it on and make proper use of it. Just imagine what happens NeXt to sales when CCP finally provide that "race track"...
$$$$
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Jack Miton > everyone knows im the best dusette
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
11909
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Posted - 2015.02.25 11:10:53 -
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Steppa Musana wrote: I also think the antiWiS attitiude of CCP is a knee jerk reaction to players crying about it.
That, or the fact that it very nearly killed their company.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
23189
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Posted - 2015.02.25 11:24:49 -
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Candi LeMew wrote:As for compelling reasons to justify it's development you mention not having seen any answers, yet I can see one right now looking at your portrait. It's already generating revenue even without wis. Avatar items, accesories and features found in the NeX, for example. It's doing pretty well, these days it's almost become harder to spot an avatar in default clothes than it is to find one wearing an NeX item.
But right now all that stuff is just like buying a fancy sports car. Looks great, and that's enough for many people like me to spend the money on one anyway, even though there's no race track around to really drive it on and make proper use of it. Just imagine what happens NeXt to sales when CCP finally provide that "race track"...
$$$$
I have a lengthy answer for why I support character creator as a feature but not WIS but I think I'm going to have trouble writing it all down from the crowded environment where I am right now.
For me personally, WIS would break immersion. It has to do with the same viewpoint Sol has about WIS being a kind of "enemy of imagination".
I will write down these thoughts in a later post..
Rush to danger, wind up nowhere
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
40
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Posted - 2015.02.25 11:31:29 -
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Jita local would invade every station
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
22386
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Posted - 2015.02.25 11:37:36 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Candi LeMew wrote:As for compelling reasons to justify it's development you mention not having seen any answers, yet I can see one right now looking at your portrait. It's already generating revenue even without wis. Avatar items, accesories and features found in the NeX, for example. It's doing pretty well, these days it's almost become harder to spot an avatar in default clothes than it is to find one wearing an NeX item.
But right now all that stuff is just like buying a fancy sports car. Looks great, and that's enough for many people like me to spend the money on one anyway, even though there's no race track around to really drive it on and make proper use of it. Just imagine what happens NeXt to sales when CCP finally provide that "race track"...
$$$$
I have a lengthy answer for why I support character creator as a feature but not WIS but I think I'm going to have trouble writing it all down from the crowded environment where I am right now. For me personally, WIS would break immersion. It has to do with the same viewpoint Sol has about WIS being a kind of "enemy of imagination". I will write down these thoughts in a later post.. Ah but you see each time you levy support for the character creator you're also levying support by default for an arena to use avatars in, even if unintentional. For potential profit margins for a concept such as wis where do you think CCP would look first?
Nex sales.
As for inmersion well likewise I wrote a lengthy piece in an EVE live events thread a while ago where I explained the concept of "immersion" is a vastly different beast for every individual. Me, I like to immerse myself into my character, who flies a spaceship in space. For me over time I've RP'd almost every situation conceivable in a station with others, to be actually able to see that, while freeing up more time for text, while sharing the experience with others adds to my immersion. A lot.
But that's just my immersion.
Your concept will depend on your playstyle and outlook, among dozens of other factors And so will Sol's. There is no black and white blanket viewpoints when talking about immersion.
=ƒÉÆ Bob Is Always Watching ...
Jack Miton > everyone knows im the best dusette
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
40
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Posted - 2015.02.25 11:41:12 -
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Candi LeMew wrote: I've RP'd almost every situation conceivable in a station with others, to be actually able to see that, while freeing up more time for text, while sharing the experience with others....
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
22386
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Posted - 2015.02.25 11:42:29 -
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Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Candi LeMew wrote: I've RP'd almost every situation conceivable in a station with others, to be actually able to see that, while freeing up more time for text, while sharing the experience with others....
Im scared Relax and enjoy.
If it feels good just roll with it baby.
=ƒÉÆ Bob Is Always Watching ...
Jack Miton > everyone knows im the best dusette
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
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