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Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
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Posted - 2015.02.25 11:43:20 -
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Quote:WIS is not functional, like mining is. It is a luxury product. I agree with that. Just like the CQ, walking in stations would be completely useless and unnecessary. CCP shouldn't spend any resources on that, if it doesn't add any relevant gameplay to the game. And i'm not talking about sitting in virtual bars, drinking virtual beer.
But that's where Project Legion comes in. EVE and Legion, merged together, could give WiS (this term is quite confusing, as i wouldn't limit it to just stations) the purpose it needs.
Just imagine, you fly around in your ship, doing some exploring. You find a hidden pirate base. After defeating the enemy ships you don't just fly to a structure and click "open cargo" to loot it, but you actually have to send down a landing party to infiltrate the structure, fight their way through the enemies and retrieve valuable loot. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
23198
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Posted - 2015.02.25 11:50:44 -
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*snuggles Ma Baker*
The character portrait is like a logo, or a brand in many ways. It gives the player the option to choose what is presented and how it is presented. There are limitations to this of course and we'd like to change that, but that's a separate discussion.
A logo loses its value if you can take and change its colors to whatever you want or move it around in 3d. I've been told that my alts are easily recognizable as me simply because of the similarity in style. The portrait is a useful tool to express a feeling or thought using colors and light and other tools. A portrait can express personality.
Putting Sibs in 3d removes my ability to "fashion" the presentation of Sibs. It removes an element of my own personal identity, which is expressed through the portrait design, and makes a level playing field for anyone with a character. In that generic WIS rendering environment where we won't be able to choose lighting or colors or camera angles or atmosphere, your specific uniqueness is forfeit. In my opinion, there is an element of mystique in the portrait that WIS removes. It's like taking a cell phone video of the scene in an Ansel Adams painting.
Rush to danger, wind up nowhere
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
210
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Posted - 2015.02.25 11:50:47 -
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Damjan Fox wrote:Just imagine, you fly around in your ship, doing some exploring. You find a hidden pirate base. After defeating the enemy ships you don't just fly to a structure and click "open cargo" to loot it, but you actually have to send down a landing party to infiltrate the structure, fight their way through the enemies and retrieve valuable loot.
but can we still just open the can and loot it because that sounds easier, i mean after spending the time finding, scanning then hacking the last thing i want to do is 20mins playing a 3rd person shooter to find the loot, i just wanna move onto the next one
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
42
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Posted - 2015.02.25 11:53:58 -
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Sibyyl wrote: *snuggles Ma Baker*
Its unorthodox, but Ill allow it
May God have mercy on us all |
Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
22388
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Posted - 2015.02.25 11:56:33 -
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Sibyyl wrote: *snuggles Ma Baker*
The character portrait is like a logo, or a brand in many ways. It gives the player the option to choose what is presented and how it is presented. There are limitations to this of course and we'd like to change that, but that's a separate discussion.
A logo loses its value if you can take and change its colors to whatever you want or move it around in 3d. I've been told that my alts are easily recognizable as me simply because of the similarity in style. The portrait is a useful tool to express a feeling or thought using colors and light and other tools. A portrait can express personality.
Putting Sibs in 3d removes my ability to "fashion" the presentation of Sibs. It removes an element of my own personal identity, which is expressed through the portrait design, and makes a level playing field for anyone with a character. In that generic WIS rendering environment where we won't be able to choose lighting or colors or camera angles or atmosphere, your specific uniqueness is forfeit. In my opinion, there is an element of mystique in the portrait that WIS removes. It's like taking a cell phone video of the scene in an Ansel Adams painting.
Fair enough and thanks for explaining what immersion means for you.
I feel differently as it's not something that would effect my experience in the way it would effect yours because I would use it differently. And so would the folks I spend much of my EVE time with.
Afterall, why bother with ship skins, or 3D space at all for that matter when we could just use dots on the screen and "imagine" the rest. Because at the end of the day we all want the experience to be as real or tangible as possible, and that's part of immersion for me.
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Jack Miton > everyone knows im the best dusette
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
43
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Posted - 2015.02.25 12:03:44 -
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Candi LeMew wrote: Afterall, why bother with ship skins, or 3D space at all for that matter when we could just use dots on the screen and "imagine" the rest. Because at the end of the day we all want the experience to be as real or tangible as possible, and that's part of immersion for me.
Funny, I was making a similar point in another thread;
I was against buying characters as it dissolves RP, but then conversely I was also under the impression that not only was there almost none of this happenign anyway, but that the vast majority of players didnt even want it.
I was always under the impression it was a MMORPG.
Ive been informed by several people that it is not.
I hope they are not correct. |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
210
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Posted - 2015.02.25 12:12:47 -
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Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Candi LeMew wrote: Afterall, why bother with ship skins, or 3D space at all for that matter when we could just use dots on the screen and "imagine" the rest. Because at the end of the day we all want the experience to be as real or tangible as possible, and that's part of immersion for me.
Funny, I was making a similar point in another thread; I was against buying characters as it dissolves RP, but then conversely I was also under the impression that not only was there almost none of this happenign anyway, but that the vast majority of players didnt even want it. I was always under the impression it was a MMORPG. Ive been informed by several people that it is not. I hope they are not correct.
Im actually part of a RP lite corp, i do enjoy the rp side of things which is a whole new other game (soo much reading) but i dont know how the walking in stations would really benefit the roleplay side of things or even benefit the game, i keep asking what would be inside the stations apart from microtransactions (as much as the other topic said i actually dont like microtransactions whatsoever i think ruin a game if there is too much thrown in your face), walking in stations would have to be a more fast paced gameplay as people may get bored and get the wrong impression about the game
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
22389
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Posted - 2015.02.25 12:20:53 -
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Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Candi LeMew wrote: Afterall, why bother with ship skins, or 3D space at all for that matter when we could just use dots on the screen and "imagine" the rest. Because at the end of the day we all want the experience to be as real or tangible as possible, and that's part of immersion for me.
Funny, I was making a similar point in another thread; I was against buying characters as it dissolves RP, but then conversely I was also under the impression that not only was there almost none of this happenign anyway, but that the vast majority of players didnt even want it. I was always under the impression it was a MMORPG. Ive been informed by several people that it is not. I hope they are not correct. I think it's whatever you make it.
I make it a MMORPG. Spend my days in space murdering folks, nights writing and doing some RP. I love EVE *shrug* and dunno why people try to say there should be no RPG in our MMO. If there's none in their playstyle then cool, enjoy your EVE as you do.
Don't get me wrong though, my personal support for a wis like concept doesn't only come from being an RPer. I can also see it's potential for graphics which I love making and other ways to spend downtime ingame without logging. Others here who aren't RPers at all have pointed to many other uses for such a concept, whether practical or otherwise. We're all here to burn some time, escape or be entertained. In our own ways.
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Jack Miton > everyone knows im the best dusette
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
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Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries Fortis Et Certus
179
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Posted - 2015.02.25 12:21:12 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Steppa Musana wrote: I also think the antiWiS attitiude of CCP is a knee jerk reaction to players crying about it.
That, or the fact that it very nearly killed their company.
The economy was fine in CCP when WiS got canceled in 2011, they wanted to develop World of Darkness and Dust 514. 2 years later the CCP economy took a beating, and they canceled the big developments. Alos there was rumours that CCP was cleaning up their expences to discuss a merge, or sale, to Sony.
So if they HAD implemented WiS, but stopped the "microtransactions" and the other stuff which was the reason to the massive complaints, EVE would been more healthy and attracted more players.
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
44
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Posted - 2015.02.25 12:23:57 -
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Candi LeMew wrote:
I make it a MMORPG. Spend my days in space murdering folks, nights writing and doing some RP. I love EVE *shrug* and dunno why people try to say there should be no RPG in our MMO. If there's none in their playstyle then cool, enjoy your EVE as you do.
Don't get me wrong though, my personal support for a wis like concept doesn't only come from being an RPer. I can also see it's potential for graphics which I love making and other ways to spend downtime ingame without logging. Others here who aren't RPers at all have pointed to many other uses for such a concept, whether practical or otherwise. We're all here to burn some time, escape or be entertained. In our own ways.
Fair enough.
Ive had to try to incorporate mine into financing space murder as much as possible as I couldnt find any anywhere |
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Thonys Visser
Green Visstick High
5
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Posted - 2015.02.25 13:17:12 -
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I think it is still very strange i can not meet other players in station
to do trading meet other people meet friends meet the enemy and talk it all over
it is such a missed opportunity |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
11913
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Posted - 2015.02.25 13:29:26 -
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Goatman NotMyFault wrote: So if they HAD implemented WiS, but stopped the "microtransactions" and the other stuff which was the reason to the massive complaints, EVE would been more healthy and attracted more players.
Citation needed.
Because I've never met anyone who would have started playing EVE Online, being what it is, just because it might have had Space Barbies.
The kind of player that is interested in such a fluff feature doesn't exactly mesh well with the kind of person who plays the actual game.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9896
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Posted - 2015.02.25 13:39:07 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Goatman NotMyFault wrote: So if they HAD implemented WiS, but stopped the "microtransactions" and the other stuff which was the reason to the massive complaints, EVE would been more healthy and attracted more players.
Citation needed. Because I've never met anyone who would have started playing EVE Online, being what it is, just because it might have had Space Barbies. The kind of player that is interested in such a fluff feature doesn't exactly mesh well with the kind of person who plays the actual game.
My personal dislike of the WiS idea is mostly because I find the idea (that tacking on some thing that is counter to the main theme and thrust of the game) to be stupid. That's most of it.
The rest of it is the WiS wanting forum community. I mean , has their ever been a more delusional crowd (other than the people who have been moaning about afk cloaking for the last 7 years)? Why would "more delusional people playing space barbie" be a good thing? They remind me greatly of LARPers I know.
Saying EVE Online needs more people like that is like saying "man, you know what this biker bar needs more of? Yuppies. Suit and tie yuppies, yea, that would fix this biker bar and make it a place bikers want to come to!!!!!!" |
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
46
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Posted - 2015.02.25 13:43:53 -
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I agree with Jenn and Kaar, I always have and I probably always will
But reading this thread for the 30th-odd time is making me feel old in my very bones. |
ACESsiggy
University of Caille
30
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Posted - 2015.02.25 13:53:44 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Goatman NotMyFault wrote: So if they HAD implemented WiS, but stopped the "microtransactions" and the other stuff which was the reason to the massive complaints, EVE would been more healthy and attracted more players.
Citation needed. Because I've never met anyone who would have started playing EVE Online, being what it is, just because it might have had Space Barbies. The kind of player that is interested in such a fluff feature doesn't exactly mesh well with the kind of person who plays the actual game. My personal dislike of the WiS idea is mostly because I find the idea (that tacking on some thing that is counter to the main theme and thrust of the game) to be stupid. That's most of it. Saying EVE Online needs more people like that is like saying "man, you know what this biker bar needs more of? Yuppies. Suit and tie yuppies, yea, that would fix this biker bar and make it a place bikers want to come to!!!!!!"
How can you Dislike the idea of enriching the game through further immersion? How can further interaction within the game be stupid? We all have our own opinions but throwing down an analogy of a bikers' bar and not wanting to attract white collar workers is silly. I think you meant to say is this biker bar is controlled by Hellz Angels and no other gangs are allowed. =ƒÿë
GÇ£The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.GÇ¥
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Shelby Dusette
Isogen 5
9613
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Posted - 2015.02.25 14:05:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Goatman NotMyFault wrote: So if they HAD implemented WiS, but stopped the "microtransactions" and the other stuff which was the reason to the massive complaints, EVE would been more healthy and attracted more players.
Citation needed. Because I've never met anyone who would have started playing EVE Online, being what it is, just because it might have had Space Barbies. The kind of player that is interested in such a fluff feature doesn't exactly mesh well with the kind of person who plays the actual game. My personal dislike of the WiS idea is mostly because I find the idea (that tacking on some thing that is counter to the main theme and thrust of the game) to be stupid. That's most of it. The rest of it is the WiS wanting forum community. I mean , has their ever been a more delusional crowd (other than the people who have been moaning about afk cloaking for the last 7 years)? Why would "more delusional people playing space barbie" be a good thing? They remind me greatly of LARPers I know. Saying EVE Online needs more people like that is like saying "man, you know what this biker bar needs more of? Yuppies. Suit and tie yuppies, yea, that would fix this biker bar and make it a place bikers want to come to!!!!!!" Getting a bit angry there. Dat server downtime.
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CCP Eterne: "Naked avatars for PLEX." =ƒÆï
Andrew Jester: "my posting brings all the bads to the yard, and they're like, I'm better than you"
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
11914
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Posted - 2015.02.25 14:10:40 -
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ACESsiggy wrote: How can you Dislike the idea of enriching the game through further immersion?
The part where wasting years of dev resources on it in the first place almost killed the game.
Since I don't hate this game, I don't want WiS to happen, ever again.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9900
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Posted - 2015.02.25 14:10:43 -
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ACESsiggy wrote:
How can you Dislike the idea of enriching the game through further immersion?
There it is, the thing WiS types do not get or understand. Not everyone likes the same things
I am not an 'immersion' gamer. I'm not pretending that I'm some goo-cover immortal who is captaining a spaceship full of expendable 'normals' who were only born to do my bidding. I'm a gamer , sitting in front of a computer, having fun by making new fits and putting them into 'internet space' to see if I can make a ship kill NPCs faster while chatting with like minded folks over teamspeak.
EVE Online is the least 'immersive' game I've ever played. It's the least Role player friendly. Outside of high sec it's the least carebear friendly. It's a game for engineer types more than it is for dreamers who like to 'live' their fantasies (as evidenced by its VERY small RP community compared to other games).
It (for the most part) attracts and rough and ready type of gamer unlike the universal squishyness found in the communities of most MMOs. It's perfect for people like me while repelling the kinds of people we come to EVE to get away from in the 1st place (with the exception of high sec.....). Attempts to add to it's 'immersion' or 'broaden it's community' are no more than attempts to drive away the current unique community and replace it with types that would not have played the original form of EVE.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9900
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Posted - 2015.02.25 14:12:57 -
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Shelby Dusette wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Goatman NotMyFault wrote: So if they HAD implemented WiS, but stopped the "microtransactions" and the other stuff which was the reason to the massive complaints, EVE would been more healthy and attracted more players.
Citation needed. Because I've never met anyone who would have started playing EVE Online, being what it is, just because it might have had Space Barbies. The kind of player that is interested in such a fluff feature doesn't exactly mesh well with the kind of person who plays the actual game. My personal dislike of the WiS idea is mostly because I find the idea (that tacking on some thing that is counter to the main theme and thrust of the game) to be stupid. That's most of it. The rest of it is the WiS wanting forum community. I mean , has their ever been a more delusional crowd (other than the people who have been moaning about afk cloaking for the last 7 years)? Why would "more delusional people playing space barbie" be a good thing? They remind me greatly of LARPers I know. Saying EVE Online needs more people like that is like saying "man, you know what this biker bar needs more of? Yuppies. Suit and tie yuppies, yea, that would fix this biker bar and make it a place bikers want to come to!!!!!!" Getting a bit angry there. Dat server downtime.
Dat foolishness. I happen to not even be at home where I can play EVE this particular morning.
And if you think that's anger, you've never met an angry person. How can someone be angry over WINNING (CCP isn't doing any WiS stuff so that's victory).
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
46
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Posted - 2015.02.25 14:15:38 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: EVE Online is the least 'immersive' game I've ever played. It's the least Role player friendly.
Oh I have to disagree there Jenn.
Even without realising it, your goo-haver has a personality of her own.
Even if most people play the "Ha-ha RPers are all broney he-shes who use "RP" as an excuse to have what they call sex with each other", the best sides of EvE involve an immersive RP experience.
AIt all depends how meta you wanna get.
Pretty much any interaction with other players outside of my trusted circle of pals is an RP.
Each and every alt I have is a joy to use in a different way.
Convincing other players they know what to expect from you, then slitting their throats and emptying their corp coffers into yours would be impossible with out it. |
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Shelby Dusette
Isogen 5
9613
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Posted - 2015.02.25 14:23:01 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Shelby Dusette wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Goatman NotMyFault wrote: So if they HAD implemented WiS, but stopped the "microtransactions" and the other stuff which was the reason to the massive complaints, EVE would been more healthy and attracted more players.
Citation needed. Because I've never met anyone who would have started playing EVE Online, being what it is, just because it might have had Space Barbies. The kind of player that is interested in such a fluff feature doesn't exactly mesh well with the kind of person who plays the actual game. My personal dislike of the WiS idea is mostly because I find the idea (that tacking on some thing that is counter to the main theme and thrust of the game) to be stupid. That's most of it. The rest of it is the WiS wanting forum community. I mean , has their ever been a more delusional crowd (other than the people who have been moaning about afk cloaking for the last 7 years)? Why would "more delusional people playing space barbie" be a good thing? They remind me greatly of LARPers I know. Saying EVE Online needs more people like that is like saying "man, you know what this biker bar needs more of? Yuppies. Suit and tie yuppies, yea, that would fix this biker bar and make it a place bikers want to come to!!!!!!" Getting a bit angry there. Dat server downtime. Dat foolishness. I happen to not even be at home where I can play EVE this particular morning. And if you think that's anger, you've never met an angry person. How can someone be angry over WINNING (CCP isn't doing any WiS stuff so that's victory). But do you pity the fool?
We really do need a killboard for all these competing-playstyles to keep track of who's "winning" and who's losing.
Why can't they all just get along?
.... and share a drink in station.
Don't Mind Us - Isogen 5 (Now Recruiting)
CCP Eterne: "Naked avatars for PLEX." =ƒÆï
Andrew Jester: "my posting brings all the bads to the yard, and they're like, I'm better than you"
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9900
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Posted - 2015.02.25 14:30:17 -
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Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: EVE Online is the least 'immersive' game I've ever played. It's the least Role player friendly.
Oh I have to disagree there Jenn. Even without realising it, your goo-haver has a personality of her own. And yes I know the sorts of things you like to do dont even involve PvP. Even if most people play the "Ha-ha RPers are all broney he-shes who use "RP" as an excuse to have what they call sex with each other", the best sides of EvE involve an immersive RP experience. AIt all depends how meta you wanna get. Pretty much any interaction with other players outside of my trusted circle of pals is an RP. Each and every alt I have is a joy to use in a different way. Convincing other players they know what to expect from you, then slitting their throats and emptying their corp coffers into yours would be impossible with out it.
I mean those terms in the 'traditional' sense. Immersion always meant 'being able to get away from the real world for a time'. I used to be an immersion player when i played mechwarrior games . Hours would fly by and I wouldn't realize it.
Role Playing always meant "I'm playing a fantasy role defined by the game". There were times playing WoW where I WAS a Night Elf Mage lol. I could turn into a mother %^&*# bear at will yo
That doesn't happen for me in EVE, which is exactly what I like in EVE and why EVE attracts folks like me. It's less fluff and more raw "you know you are playing with people, the space ships are just the chess pieces". When I wanna role play (less and less these days) I log in my Klingon Lieutenant General in STO .
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
47
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Posted - 2015.02.25 14:37:27 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:I mean those terms in the 'traditional' sense. Immersion always meant 'being able to get away from the real world for a time'. I used to be an immersion player when i played mechwarrior games . Hours would fly by and I wouldn't realize it. Role Playing always meant "I'm playing a fantasy role defined by the game". There were times playing WoW where I WAS a Night Elf Mage lol. I could turn into a mother %^&*# bear at will yo That doesn't happen for me in EVE, which is exactly what I like in EVE and why EVE attracts folks like me. It's less fluff and more raw "you know you are playing with people, the space ships are just the chess pieces". When I wanna role play (less and less these days) I log in my Klingon Lieutenant General in STO .
Yeah fair enough. Though a pen and paper RPG's most defining factor is not its strict proscribing to a fictional backstory, but the character's ability to add to that backstory, change and manipulate it, to do anything they put their minds to do within it and have a chance to succeed.
To my mind, EvE is the ONLY online game that allows this.
WoW or STO just let you do a limited set of predestined things.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
23288
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Posted - 2015.02.25 14:40:51 -
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Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:I agree with Jenn and Kaar, I always have and I probably always will
But reading this thread for the 30th-odd time is making me feel old in my very bones.
Um, but Ma.. you are old.
Rush to danger, wind up nowhere
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
47
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Posted - 2015.02.25 14:42:53 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:I agree with Jenn and Kaar, I always have and I probably always will
But reading this thread for the 30th-odd time is making me feel old in my very bones. Um, but Ma.. you are old.
Dangit |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
11917
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Posted - 2015.02.25 14:47:12 -
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Ma'Baker McCandless wrote: Dangit
I feel very disappointed that you didn't say "dag nabit" instead.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
48
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Posted - 2015.02.25 14:53:47 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ma'Baker McCandless wrote: Dangit
I feel very disappointed that you didn't say "dag nabit" instead.
Ban daggit |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
11918
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Posted - 2015.02.25 14:56:15 -
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Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ma'Baker McCandless wrote: Dangit
I feel very disappointed that you didn't say "dag nabit" instead. Ban daggit
What did he ever do to you? I don't see a reason to ban him.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Maria Elena
6
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Posted - 2015.02.25 14:56:44 -
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ACESsiggy wrote:
How can you Dislike the idea of enriching the game through further immersion? How can further interaction within the game be stupid? We all have our own opinions but throwing down an analogy of a bikers' bar and not wanting to attract white collar workers is silly. I think you meant to say is this biker bar is controlled by Hellz Angels and no other gangs are allowed. =ƒÿë
I totally agree.. the more fashion; the more immersion..
ok, ok.. and customizable skins for the ships too!
\o/
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
51
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Posted - 2015.02.25 14:58:05 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ma'Baker McCandless wrote: Dangit
I feel very disappointed that you didn't say "dag nabit" instead. Ban daggit What did he ever do to you? I don't see a reason to ban him.
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