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Zardock Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:12:00 - [301] Edited by: Zardock on 07/10/2006 20:11:57 Kudos to ASCN for bringing it to us. Well... Sort of. After all you've been sitting in TCAG's POS all day.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:14:00 - [302] Originally by: Moghydin Nothing wrong in trying to use a numbers advantage as there's nothing wrong with trying to get the advantage of a long term uber sp's recruitment policy. Everyone has their own strenghts and weaknesses. Nothing wrong there, tbh. But then at least stick to your ways and dont post something like..."At least ASCN have guts to jump in...." Discussing moderation in your signature is bad. Don't do it- Tirg Imperial Academy is currently recruiting Paragol Soul residents
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:16:00 - [303] Originally by: shakaZ XIV Originally by: Cyvok At least ASCN has the courage to jump in and fight Right. So far it always had to be US that jumped into YOU to get a fight, while YOU have the bubbles, fighters, good battleship starting position and superior numbers on your side. Or are you perhaps hinting at the situation yesterday in TCAG/TPAR, when our support fleet forced your battleships to choose between dying in jumprange or jumping into our battleship fleet? (They picked the latter, and subsequently logged off RA style, to get out of bubbles) And drones, don't forget that. They really help at lagging people out and crashing nodes, but who cares. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
wizzard66 Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:17:00 - [304] Originally by: CYVOK ...Now it looks like your no better then the rest of the opportunistic quake kiddies in EvE, what happened? Look Ma!!! He called me an oppustriunistricicis quake kiddie!! Can we call uncle Earl and sue him??
Ordo Abchao Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:20:00 - [305] Originally by: CYVOK The only true causality of this war so far seems to be friendships. KSUDruid, Eleese, Waagaa Ktlehr: I cannot even believe that you guys were once trusted directors of CLS/ASCN and players I called friend. I swear your accounts have been purchased by smacktards because your posts are so full of crap and hate. Omeega, Dude, their was a time when I had a TON of respect for you that I know was mutual. Now it looks like your no better then the rest of the opportunistic quake kiddies in EvE, what happened? You havenÆt seen anything yet, how are you going to spin it when your stations start changing hands. God forbid the servers actually allow a lag free jump in, what are you going to do when there are 400 ASCN vs 100 BoB with no lag to protect your snipers? As for you amazing kill count, keep playing it up. Deleting kill mails with WCS doesnÆt mean they were not fitted and not posting losses until several days after they happened doesnÆt mean they were not killed. At least ASCN has the courage to jump in and fight instead of sit at 200AU safe spots for 6 hours until the lag is so bad our forces cannot move. Their was a time when I have a GREAT DEAL of respect for BoB and each member of your Alliance. Now however, as each day passes, I see you more as a large glorified Burn Eden afraid to get into a real battle because the kill/loss ratio might be a bit more even. The so called best PvPers in the game and you cant win a fight without Lag, Team Speak Spies, Corporate Moles and a massive propaganda machine. Fact is BoB havenÆt defeated an enemy in over a year. Sure you have decimated some but D2 is stronger then ever, The Goons are thriving, RA & AAA will never be broken and yet you claim victory over them all at one point or another. Spew as much crap as you want on the forums, like certain parties did in WWII, you can win the war in your mind and in the news but the reality of the situation may be much different. Firstly i would like to mention this is a game, and even as such, even in real life, so called friends change to enemies faster than night turns to daylight. Secondly shame on you. Shame on you for acusing us of something we have no reigns over and items that mean virtualy nothing in the end of it all. Kill mails get posted whenever the player gets to it, same with loss mails, some players get frustrated and do not log in for days when they lose a ship, this cannot be helped, and this is not a problem with bob alone, players in your own alliance have waited days before posting, whether they were around or not does not matter, it happens, and let it be as such. Lag is nothing we can control, and we ourselves have fallen victim to it, many of the losses we sustained today were because our clients froze up, and the only reason we sustained so few losses was because our gang leaders were quick to respond to such a problem. To say we conscioucly attempt to time something we have no control over is foolish and makes me wonder what kind of logic runs through your head. We jumped into you, we do it many times over and over, we have let you jump in, and we have even engaged your fleets of 80-120 bs' full on with a mear 10-20 bs'. Say what you like, but when your men will not engage in similar situations and with greater numbers you're just making yourself look like a fool. Respect, friendship, lies, deceit, you sound like you're the white knight and we are the dirt covered peasents. You have people logging into our ts trying to find out our numbers online. You have people not posting killmails when they die, You are the ones with the gangs of 200+. We both have our ugly sides. CYVOK, stop being petty and allowing emotions to lead you into posting on these forums as you are just making yourself, and your alliance look like fools. Do what you do best, and lead your alliance, either to vitory, or to defeat, it is up to you to decide. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK- Order out of Chaos
Deathsoul Caldari Evolution	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:30:00 - [306] Edited by: Deathsoul on 07/10/2006 20:32:34 Originally by: CYVOK The only true causality of this war so far seems to be friendships. At least ASCN has the courage to jump in and fight instead of sit at 200AU safe spots for 6 hours until the lag is so bad our forces cannot move. Strange, the 7 fights i have had with your ppl has been the way we jumped in, maby you need to talk to those so named FC of yours (theyr joke, but thats another story) about the facts who has the courage.
Eleese Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:33:00 - [307] Originally by: CYVOK The only true causality of this war so far seems to be friendships. KSUDruid, Eleese, Waagaa Ktlehr: I cannot even believe that you guys were once trusted directors of CLS/ASCN and players I called friend. I swear your accounts have been purchased by smacktards because your posts are so full of crap and hate. Omeega, Dude, their was a time when I had a TON of respect for you that I know was mutual. Now it looks like your no better then the rest of the opportunistic quake kiddies in EvE, what happened? You havenÆt seen anything yet, how are you going to spin it when your stations start changing hands. God forbid the servers actually allow a lag free jump in, what are you going to do when there are 400 ASCN vs 100 BoB with no lag to protect your snipers? As for you amazing kill count, keep playing it up. Deleting kill mails with WCS doesnÆt mean they were not fitted and not posting losses until several days after they happened doesnÆt mean they were not killed. At least ASCN has the courage to jump in and fight instead of sit at 200AU safe spots for 6 hours until the lag is so bad our forces cannot move. Their was a time when I have a GREAT DEAL of respect for BoB and each member of your Alliance. Now however, as each day passes, I see you more as a large glorified Burn Eden afraid to get into a real battle because the kill/loss ratio might be a bit more even. The so called best PvPers in the game and you cant win a fight without Lag, Team Speak Spies, Corporate Moles and a massive propaganda machine. Fact is BoB havenÆt defeated an enemy in over a year. Sure you have decimated some but D2 is stronger then ever, The Goons are thriving, RA & AAA will never be broken and yet you claim victory over them all at one point or another. Spew as much crap as you want on the forums, like certain parties did in WWII, you can win the war in your mind and in the news but the reality of the situation may be much different. Are you joking the only comment i made was with reguards to your killboard. I made reference to the fact ascn's loss posting isnt very accurate something yourself and former leaders/members of ascn have always defended including myself that you dont enforce losses to be posted and dont really care. That is not an insult merely a joke which isnt very offensive. And secondly i posted that bob wanted this for the last 6months+ which is true i was a member of bob and i understand the way they work. I have posted no crap, i have posted pretty well educated and neutral questions and made pretty neutral points. I dont care who wins i merely wish i was part of it, its a game designed for fun and this war looks fun. I asked for the moon situation because i was interested i have friends on both sides and curiosity got the better of me as everyone was claiming pos's were dying or ok and i wanted numbers rather than opinions on the situation.
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:37:00 - [308] Originally by: CYVOK The only true causality of this war so far seems to be friendships. KSUDruid, Eleese, Waagaa Ktlehr: I cannot even believe that you guys were once trusted directors of CLS/ASCN and players I called friend. I swear your accounts have been purchased by smacktards because your posts are so full of crap and hate. Omeega, Dude, their was a time when I had a TON of respect for you that I know was mutual. Now it looks like your no better then the rest of the opportunistic quake kiddies in EvE, what happened? You havenÆt seen anything yet, how are you going to spin it when your stations start changing hands. God forbid the servers actually allow a lag free jump in, what are you going to do when there are 400 ASCN vs 100 BoB with no lag to protect your snipers? As for you amazing kill count, keep playing it up. Deleting kill mails with WCS doesnÆt mean they were not fitted and not posting losses until several days after they happened doesnÆt mean they were not killed. At least ASCN has the courage to jump in and fight instead of sit at 200AU safe spots for 6 hours until the lag is so bad our forces cannot move. Their was a time when I have a GREAT DEAL of respect for BoB and each member of your Alliance. Now however, as each day passes, I see you more as a large glorified Burn Eden afraid to get into a real battle because the kill/loss ratio might be a bit more even. The so called best PvPers in the game and you cant win a fight without Lag, Team Speak Spies, Corporate Moles and a massive propaganda machine. Fact is BoB havenÆt defeated an enemy in over a year. Sure you have decimated some but D2 is stronger then ever, The Goons are thriving, RA & AAA will never be broken and yet you claim victory over them all at one point or another. Spew as much crap as you want on the forums, like certain parties did in WWII, you can win the war in your mind and in the news but the reality of the situation may be much different. That's an interesting theory you got going there Cryvok. Hopefully your coolaid factories are working overtime to keep your troops believing it.
Wesley Walker Hedion University	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:37:00 - [309] Damnit bob how do you do it? You jump into our gang, after a minute or two the node crashes every time, before we get 2 people logged back in you have 25 relogged and back on the gate to gank those trying to log back in - i wish i had your client optimising skills This is the 4th time I have tried to fight you in fleet ops and the 4th time this has happened. I am not calling sploit, not calling cheat or anything, just calling CCP out for a lame and frustrating game atm.
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:39:00 - [310] Edited by: Afonso Henriques on 07/10/2006 20:39:19 Originally by: Wesley Walker Damnit bob how do you do it? You jump into our gang, after a minute or two the node crashes every time, before we get 2 people logged back in you have 25 relogged and back on the gate to gank those trying to log back in - i wish i had your client optimising skills This is the 4th time I have tried to fight you in fleet ops and the 4th time this has happened. I am not calling sploit, not calling cheat or anything, just calling CCP out for a lame and frustrating game atm. You've had your posts moderated many many times. Hopefully they banz0r your ass soon. followow the rules or GTFO

Aegis Osiris Gallente Demonic Retribution Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:41:00 - [311] Since this seems to be the major 'show' in EVE atm, I (as well as most others that even glance at this forum) am watching to see what happens :) I do have a couple of questions, hoping to clarify some points just so folks can get a clearer picture of whats happening. 1. About the 75 to 1 BS ratio for that one day; one BoB pilot mentioned that a number of these kills occurred from the push that BoB ran at the TPAR gate. That pilot mentioned that people crashed, and relogged, or didnt crash, and uncloaked, in ones and twos, hence the turkey shoot (not being negative, anyone else would have done the same if the situation was reversed). Are these kills part of the 75, or were the 75 done all in 'normal' fleet actions (ie. all friendlies and hostiles active, or as active as the servers allow atm lol)? 2. Obviously, a sizable number of those kills occurred during fleet actions in system (I think?). During these, when BoB was running with 17-25 BS, did you recieve reasonable amounts of return fire? 3. What is the current count of BoB and ASCN POS's destroyed/reinforced/active (any chance of a dual confirmation here, from both parties)? I saw 2 posts 20 minutes apart that were considerably different (including adding a couple of moons to TPAR lol, though thats just a counting error. 4. Has resistance at the POS's been active? 5. Finally, did anyone, either BoB or ASCN, remember to pack fresh undies? Your mom's wanted me to ask.... :) Inquiring minds (or, well, mind) want to know :) ps. Understand, my initial questions are not meant to degrade a sizable kill/loss ratio. Its just that 75-1 when both sides are active and can hit each other is a different story then some when both are active, some when 1 side can hit while the other can't, and when someone has a combination of poor timing and bad luck. ________________________________________________ This thread does not exist
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:42:00 - [312] Edited by: Sir JoJo on 07/10/2006 20:43:41 Originally by: Wesley Walker Damnit bob how do you do it? You jump into our gang, after a minute or two the node crashes every time, before we get 2 people logged back in you have 25 relogged and back on the gate to gank those trying to log back in - i wish i had your client optimising skills some times i wonder what planet ppl are on. dude we crasged just like u and just like u rellogged right away dont come whit u lame acusastion cause u all out there where its getting more and more ridicules. snip Don't be nasty [email protected] to discuss mod - Cathath i am not nasty
Trooper B99 Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:42:00 - [313] Edited by: Trooper B99 on 07/10/2006 20:42:41 Originally by: CYVOK The only true causality of this war so far seems to be friendships. KSUDruid, Eleese, Waagaa Ktlehr: I cannot even believe that you guys were once trusted directors of CLS/ASCN and players I called friend. I swear your accounts have been purchased by smacktards because your posts are so full of crap and hate. Omeega, Dude, their was a time when I had a TON of respect for you that I know was mutual. Now it looks like your no better then the rest of the opportunistic quake kiddies in EvE, what happened? I dislike it when people loose sight of the game we're playing. I know i do it from time to time, but . . . well CYVOCK, not to be nasty or anything, but rather than all your friends and respected aquaintances changing, could it be that its you thats changing? I read certain posts and it seems that I just see "fortress mentality" and "demonising former friends" and its just sad to see. Could be wrong of course though. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
sweetgirl Minmatar The Flying Dutchmen	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:52:00 - [314] BOB (bastards off Bandwagons) are good at 1 thing only and thats smacking on the forums and exploiting loging tactics
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:53:00 - [315] Originally by: sweetgirl BOB (bastards off Bandwagons) are good at 1 thing only and thats smacking on the forums and exploiting loging tactics Nice flamebait, not falling for it though ;)
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:56:00 - [316] Originally by: sweetgirl BOB (bastards off Bandwagons) are good at 1 thing only and thats smacking on the forums and exploiting loging tactics Huh ... it took me 5 minutes to jump into your drones you deployed FAST in tcag, then node luckily died and i could not login for 5-10minutes. Now since you are insulting us here, please show me bandwaggon, and login exploits. If you think we did exploit, ask ccp to boost nodes or some other magic to keep servers stable. Everytime WE jump, node dies. You never jumped so just stfu. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:57:00 - [317] This topic is going to get the eve world record on replies :-) ----------------------------------
jernej Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:59:00 - [318] Originally by: Wesley Walker Edited by: Wesley Walker on 07/10/2006 20:50:01 you are right, sorry, just frustrated with the state of gameplay atm. We sit there with a black screen for 5min and we KNOW that every one of our 'brothers' is doing the same. And we know that you sit there with a black screen and ASK yourself how many of your hobbit friends will log in.
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:01:00 - [319] Node stability seem now crappier than before that "magic" hardware upgrade. Looks like the cluster is totally uncapable of supporting fleet battles.
Ria Sotori Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:01:00 - [320] The logic some of you guys profess truly is hysterical. From the top down the humor keeps the game fun. Please keep it up ASCN. Oh and Cyvok..... take a vaction sir. Your gonna bust a blood vessel. Your getting that bunker mentality and its only been a week. androsix > GM: can you please enforce a truce while the rest of ASCN/AXE ships can log in

Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:08:00 - [321] Originally by: jernej,BoB pilot We sit there with a black screen for 5min and we KNOW that every one of our 'brothers' is doing the same. And we know that you sit there with a black screen and ASK yourself how many of your hobbit friends will log in. ..and this imo will be the deciding factor in this war...
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:09:00 - [322] Originally by: sweetgirl BOB (bastards off Bandwagons) are good at 1 thing only and thats smacking on the forums and exploiting loging tactics "Member of ASCN Killerco's 2nd account" Nice bio, says it all really.
Nepereta DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:09:00 - [323] friends and enemies, How I wish lag didn't exist. The fights are probably gonna cause people to leave Eve because we are severely scaled up way beyond what the server can handle. We are too big you are too big. Biggest industrial leviathan v biggest PvP leviathan = cancelled accounts due to the game not matching the playability we need. I absolutely want to see 300 V 300 battles with out everything going into lag I want to fight and honor your presence your history and the whole BoB shebang and do the same for my allies. We seriously need to engage CCP and say look biggest battle in the history of history we need to play this out! Love and lag free war for all Originally by: CC 3 Cybok and lacky's REVENGE WILL BE SWEAT ILL BE BACK
Ordo Abchao Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:11:00 - [324] Originally by: Aegis Osiris Since this seems to be the major 'show' in EVE atm, I (as well as most others that even glance at this forum) am watching to see what happens :) I do have a couple of questions, hoping to clarify some points just so folks can get a clearer picture of whats happening. 1. About the 75 to 1 BS ratio for that one day; one BoB pilot mentioned that a number of these kills occurred from the push that BoB ran at the TPAR gate. That pilot mentioned that people crashed, and relogged, or didnt crash, and uncloaked, in ones and twos, hence the turkey shoot (not being negative, anyone else would have done the same if the situation was reversed). Are these kills part of the 75, or were the 75 done all in 'normal' fleet actions (ie. all friendlies and hostiles active, or as active as the servers allow atm lol)? 2. Obviously, a sizable number of those kills occurred during fleet actions in system (I think?). During these, when BoB was running with 17-25 BS, did you recieve reasonable amounts of return fire? 3. What is the current count of BoB and ASCN POS's destroyed/reinforced/active (any chance of a dual confirmation here, from both parties)? I saw 2 posts 20 minutes apart that were considerably different (including adding a couple of moons to TPAR lol, though thats just a counting error. 4. Has resistance at the POS's been active? 5. Finally, did anyone, either BoB or ASCN, remember to pack fresh undies? Your mom's wanted me to ask.... :) Inquiring minds (or, well, mind) want to know :) ps. Understand, my initial questions are not meant to degrade a sizable kill/loss ratio. Its just that 75-1 when both sides are active and can hit each other is a different story then some when both are active, some when 1 side can hit while the other can't, and when someone has a combination of poor timing and bad luck. 1) About 20 were from that situation, of which 2 were fully 100% legit (they were killed in tcag before they jumped in) while the rest you'd have to get the pilots individual stories. 2) A lot of return fire, at times it was up to 6x our bs numbers. People were structured, armored, etc. 3) I'm not 100% on this, but we lost 2 small pos' with little in the way of extra modules. They have lost roughly 5 large, of which one had a corporate array. The full numbers were posted earlier in the thread. 4) I wasn't there for their pos destructions, but for our own, we had a gang of 33(at the peak), of which 17 were bs', they had 190 people(at peak), of which 12 were capital ships. We lost four bs' protecting our small pos', they lost four bs and two carriers. Hope that helps clear some details up. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK- Order out of Chaos
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:19:00 - [325] Cyvok: You still don't get it do you, old friend. This is a game. The forums are part of the game. If you truly feel the need to 'hate' me because of anything I say in-character, or who I shoot in-game, might I suggest taking a break for a while. In-game, as Cyvok, you're a liar and a Delusional leader who's own alliance members hate and loath, and follow only because of fear. Hell your entire style of leadership has always been based on fear and paranoia, that's part of the reason I left ASCN roughly 1 year ago. You were never gonna get it, and you're not getting it now. Your brash little offensive into TPAR was nothing more than a dying cry from an alliance that gave up on themselves months ago. Since you're so fond of making real life references to World War 2, I'll make one myself. The Battle of the Bulge, read up on it, make comparisons to what you're doing now, and then get back to me. You may "Hate" me, but I will never hate another human being, for anything he does while In-Character, and In-Game. You're welcome to chat with me concerning anything, anytime you like. -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
Monarch Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:23:00 - [326] Edited by: Monarch on 07/10/2006 21:25:49 Originally by: Afonso Henriques Originally by: sweetgirl BOB (bastards off Bandwagons) are good at 1 thing only and thats smacking on the forums and exploiting loging tactics "Member of ASCN Killerco's 2nd account" Nice bio, says it all really. Pwnd and he is a "silly waffle eater" like our beloved CEO
Havras the Organ Grinder and Company Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:23:00 - [327] Edited by: Havras on 07/10/2006 21:27:29 You know.. I wasn't going to reply to these topics anymore but.... To the numerous players of BoB... You all start getting **ed off whenever ANYONE contradicts your propaganda. Perhaps you should ALL read through your various posts since this war started and see the amount of venom and hate you all spew through your varying levels of smack mastery.... And you wonder why someone might eventually get ed off at it and fire back with some heat? Take a good, solid, objective view at some of the things most of your players have said on these forums. If you could be honest with yourself you might see that perhaps there are reasons pople outside your little "club" get **ed off at you. Ad P.S. Don't start saying how it was all posted in the name of fun. You know it is BS to say that, everyone that reads thee boards knows it is BS to say so.
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:25:00 - [328] Originally by: Havras You know.. I wasn't going to reply to these topics anymore but.... To the numerous players of BoB... You all start getting **ed off whenever ANYONE contradicts your propaganda. Perhaps you should ALL read through your various posts since this war started and see the amount of venom and hate you all spew through your varying levels of smack mastery.... And you wonder why someone might eventually get ed off at it and fire back with some heat? Take a good, solid, objective view at some of the things most of your players have said on these forums. If you could be honest with yourself you might see that perhaps there are reasons pople outside your little "club" get ed off at you. Originally by:** sweetgirl BOB (bastards off Bandwagons) are good at 1 thing only and thats smacking on the forums and exploiting loging tactics "Member of ASCN Killerco's 2nd account" Nice bio, says it all really. Look at crap your people spew before acussing others nub.
oDDiTy V2 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:27:00 - [329] Edited by: oDDiTy V2 on 07/10/2006 21:28:02 Originally by: Havras Edited by: Havras on 07/10/2006 21:27:29 You know.. I wasn't going to reply to these topics anymore but.... To the numerous players of BoB... You all start getting ****ed off whenever ANYONE contradicts your propaganda. Facts != Propaganda.
sweetgirl Minmatar The Flying Dutchmen	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:28:00 - [330] Originally by: Afonso Henriques Originally by: sweetgirl BOB (bastards off Bandwagons) are good at 1 thing only and thats smacking on the forums and exploiting loging tactics "Member of ASCN Killerco's 2nd account" Nice bio, says it all really. do you believe anything that says in a bio? If so i'll change it in free titan bpo for the first who eve mail me



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