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Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:41:00 - [541] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Edited by: Christopher Multsanti on 08/10/2006 15:30:59 Hello, mr Mad Scientist101. Self ownage, it's never pretty.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:42:00 - [542] Originally by: Blacklight I'm having an incredible sense of deja vu reading this thread, kinda reminds me of the last time we got serious about taking someones toys away. You never did respond to my reasoned reply to your one-liner about me 'stepping away from the keyboard'. Can you actually engage in reasoned debate or are you capable of little more than low-end flaming?
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:42:00 - [543] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: TURBOman Originally by: Butter Dog Do BoB pay you purely to troll threads with meaningless flamebait posts? You're doing well, keep it up. Look whos talking Read post 430, then read post 437, and tell me that again with a straight face. Your alliances forum conduct is immature, and at worst downright disrespectful in its approach. Still, at least now I know what it must be like trying to conduct a debate in a 'special' school. There u go with meaningles insults again Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:43:00 - [544] Originally by: TURBOman Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: TURBOman Originally by: Butter Dog Do BoB pay you purely to troll threads with meaningless flamebait posts? You're doing well, keep it up. Look whos talking Read post 430, then read post 437, and tell me that again with a straight face. Your alliances forum conduct is immature, and at worst downright disrespectful in its approach. Still, at least now I know what it must be like trying to conduct a debate in a 'special' school. There u go with meaningles insults again Thats hilarious, read any post by Krystal and tell me that again.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:43:00 - [545] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 08/10/2006 15:43:29 Yet somehow Butter Dog, you seem to carefully avoid replying to any of my more carefully constructed posts that directly challenge earlier arguments you made, and have been doing that on several occasions in this thread. Might it be that your posts are calculated to cause and thus feed upon exactly the kind of replies you refer to here ? If so, doesn't that make it trolling just as well ? Old blog
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:44:00 - [546] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: TURBOman Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: TURBOman Originally by: Butter Dog Do BoB pay you purely to troll threads with meaningless flamebait posts? You're doing well, keep it up. Look whos talking Read post 430, then read post 437, and tell me that again with a straight face. Your alliances forum conduct is immature, and at worst downright disrespectful in its approach. Still, at least now I know what it must be like trying to conduct a debate in a 'special' school. There u go with meaningles insults again Thats hilarious, read any post by Krystal and tell me that again. There u go with meaningles insults again
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:46:00 - [547] Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 08/10/2006 15:43:29 Yet somehow Butter Dog, you seem to carefully avoid replying to any of my more carefully constructed posts that directly challenge earlier arguments you made, and have been doing that on several occasions in this thread. Might it be that your posts are calculated to cause and thus feed upon exactly the kind of replies you refer to here ? If so, doesn't that make it trolling just as well ? I am perfectly happy to engage in discussion with you. So far though, you have added nothing of merit to the discussion, short of saying 'yes I suppose it would feel a bit uncomfortable'. You have completely avoided the cruicial issue of morality.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:47:00 - [548] Originally by: Louisa Torres [ There u go with meaningles insults again How is telling someone to read a post by your alliance member an insult, exactly?
Angelus X Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:50:00 - [549] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Edited by: Christopher Multsanti on 08/10/2006 15:30:59 Hello, mr Mad Scientist101. Self ownage, it's never pretty. haha! So much for the no alt posting rule eh? Amusing to see that the "ER Public Relations Officer" has to post with an alt because he hasn't the nads to flame BoB with his main. -----
Kalle Port	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:52:00 - [550] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Bizarre Does this recording inflict damage on a person's private live? Hard to say if you ask me and I don't think your sollicitor will ahve an easy job proving that it does indeed inflict damage. But if you're willing to spend a couple of 100 $$ to get a soundfile removed, be my guest. You don't have to prove 'damage'. In the EU we have a charter of human rights, and one of them is the Right to Privacy. If someone does not want their voice published on the internet, and you do so, a solicitor would have no problem in pointing out you have broken the law. Aside from the legal side though, the fact you think this is MORALLY okay speaks volumes about you and your Alliance. The laws of privacy do get a bit more complex when the data cannot be linked to a real identifiable person. In this case, there is no indication at all on who this person is for non ASCN members (and they have heard the TS conversation anyway so no problem there), legally this could even be the pope who was telling his cardinals to logoff , and even if we are able to link this to an ingame name, this name cannot be used to link to a real person. Thus a lot of EU privacy laws will not apply here. (by using the necessary protection you can even get medical data to be outside of the EU directive on privacy.)
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:53:00 - [551] Originally by: Butter Dog My cousin is moderator....and ..hmm, ah yes.. At Least I know..... Discussing moderation in your signature is bad. Don't do it- Tirg Imperial Academy is currently recruiting Paragol Soul residents
VonKaplanek III Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:00:00 - [552] This is a game, and what makes this game so wonderful it's that it is much alike the real world, just in space :) Real warfare includes spying, so does warfare in this game. That is perfectly inside game mechanics. Write a petition to CCP if you don't like it, and find a more suitable game where your "rights" won't be violated in such manner. ok.. you say its a game, yet its quite real so its ok to use cheap tactics cause thats what happens in "real" war. Oh wait, this is a fun "game" Make up your mind... Its still a shady tactic for the so called honorable, "we want clean, fair fights" BOB.
SkaffenAmtiskaw Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:03:00 - [553] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 08/10/2006 15:43:29 Yet somehow Butter Dog, you seem to carefully avoid replying to any of my more carefully constructed posts that directly challenge earlier arguments you made, and have been doing that on several occasions in this thread. Might it be that your posts are calculated to cause and thus feed upon exactly the kind of replies you refer to here ? If so, doesn't that make it trolling just as well ? I am perfectly happy to engage in discussion with you. So far though, you have added nothing of merit to the discussion, short of saying 'yes I suppose it would feel a bit uncomfortable'. You have completely avoided the cruicial issue of morality. I thought the crucial issue was legality? ______ 'A lot of the people in m0o were ok, a lot of them were exploiters, greiferes etc.' - Wrangler on m0o corp.
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:04:00 - [554] Originally by: VonKaplanek III ok.. you say its a game, yet its quite real so its ok to use cheap tactics cause thats what happens in "real" war. Oh wait, this is a fun "game" Make up your mind... Its still a shady tactic for the so called honorable, "we want clean, fair fights" BOB. It's still within game mechanics, there were always spies, and there always will be, adapt or fall. Get a spy in BOB, just for the reason that is harder than to get a spy in ASCN doesn't mean it's cheap. If CYVOK doesn't have a spy in BOB, I bet all my isk he wouldn't say no to the opportunity. And u can't say he wouldn't too Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
SkaffenAmtiskaw Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:06:00 - [555] Originally by: VonKaplanek III Its still a shady tactic for the so called honorable, "we want clean, fair fights" BOB. And yet you're willing to fly under the banner of an entity that also uses forum spies? ______ 'A lot of the people in m0o were ok, a lot of them were exploiters, greiferes etc.' - Wrangler on m0o corp.
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:09:00 - [556] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 08/10/2006 15:43:29 Yet somehow Butter Dog, you seem to carefully avoid replying to any of my more carefully constructed posts that directly challenge earlier arguments you made, and have been doing that on several occasions in this thread. Might it be that your posts are calculated to cause and thus feed upon exactly the kind of replies you refer to here ? If so, doesn't that make it trolling just as well ? I am perfectly happy to engage in discussion with you. So far though, you have added nothing of merit to the discussion, short of saying 'yes I suppose it would feel a bit uncomfortable'. You have completely avoided the cruicial issue of morality. Bizarra's post regarding the legal part of your argument, you never tried to refute. Do you acknowledge that of your initial statement, only the moral part is left? The legal part apparently isn't worth it to defend anymore? With all the different internationalities involved, I wish you good luck trying to get someone prosecuted for posting a recording from a TS server. Unless everyone has to agree to a certain disclaimer before they use the TS server, you're SOL with regards to suing people and even then the disclaimer might just be declared void by the local judge. :) - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
VonKaplanek III Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:11:00 - [557] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Nira Li What's even sader is that ppl are ordering ppl to log out of a game to save them self and then come on the forum and cry that we don't have any moral.. Also ASCN are so sore losers they are acusing us of exploiters. Sad indeed. Get a clue. Noone ordered people to log off. We stayed logged off becasue of your shady log in/off tactics and your ability to control a gate even when outnumbered and outpositioned after a node crash. Bob uses TS spies to record our in game convos and to get our tactics. Whats really sad here is the great BoB utilizing LAME tactics... Well done BoB
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:14:00 - [558] Edited by: Louisa Torres on 08/10/2006 16:14:04 Originally by: VonKaplanek III Get a clue. Noone ordered people to log off. We stayed logged off becasue of your shady log in/off tactics and your ability to control a gate even when outnumbered and outpositioned after a node crash. Bob uses TS spies to record our in game convos and to get our tactics. Whats really sad here is the great BoB utilizing LAME tactics... Well done BoB DING DING WRONG! The recording you here was made as you had warped to a gate, in jump range. We sent our support thru, your fc thought we had ALL jumped thru and then tried to swap places with us. As he loaded he saw that we still had forces on the jump in point and, as a result, called for everyone to log off to avoid getting ganked. And you call us lame?
oDDiTy V2 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:16:00 - [559] Edited by: oDDiTy V2 on 08/10/2006 16:16:21 Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: Nira Li What's even sader is that ppl are ordering ppl to log out of a game to save them self and then come on the forum and cry that we don't have any moral.. Also ASCN are so sore losers they are acusing us of exploiters. Sad indeed. Get a clue. Noone ordered people to log off. We stayed logged off becasue of your shady log in/off tactics and your ability to control a gate even when outnumbered and outpositioned after a node crash. Bob uses TS spies to record our in game convos and to get our tactics. Whats really sad here is the great BoB utilizing LAME tactics... Well done BoB BoB do not use login/logoff tactics. It is strictly forbidden to do so. If you honestly believe that we do, then you're either delusional, or being spoonfed lies from someone. It's simply not true.
Pr1at Bunny Caldari adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:16:00 - [560] BoB clearly didnt learn from the last ( by accident) publication of a TS recording . Not everyone "doesnt care" when their voice get publicated in this case you once again show lack of respect towards a invidual behind the avatar. Guess that post a while ago by me was a complete waste of time . ____________________ The Clash
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:17:00 - [561] Originally by: SkaffenAmtiskaw Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 08/10/2006 15:43:29 Yet somehow Butter Dog, you seem to carefully avoid replying to any of my more carefully constructed posts that directly challenge earlier arguments you made, and have been doing that on several occasions in this thread. Might it be that your posts are calculated to cause and thus feed upon exactly the kind of replies you refer to here ? If so, doesn't that make it trolling just as well ? I am perfectly happy to engage in discussion with you. So far though, you have added nothing of merit to the discussion, short of saying 'yes I suppose it would feel a bit uncomfortable'. You have completely avoided the cruicial issue of morality. I thought the crucial issue was legality? I find it strange that I have to quote my own posts, but here we go: Just because you can get away with something, doenst make it right. The legal question is a side issue. What causes most distaste is the fact you would actually do something like this, let alone defend your actions. Never again can you tell the Eve community you are in this game for the 'fair fights' with a straight face. And to think I used to respect your Alliance. You guys have done an amazing job of proving me very wrong in believing you had integrity and maturity in your approach to this game.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:18:00 - [562] Originally by: Louisa Torres [ And you call us lame? The publication of that .wav file proves this beyond ANY doubt.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:20:00 - [563] Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/10/2006 16:22:45 Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Bizarra's post regarding the legal part of your argument, you never tried to refute. Do you acknowledge that of your initial statement, only the moral part is left? The legal part apparently isn't worth it to defend anymore? With all the different internationalities involved, I wish you good luck trying to get someone prosecuted for posting a recording from a TS server. Unless everyone has to agree to a certain disclaimer before they use the TS server, you're SOL with regards to suing people and even then the disclaimer might just be declared void by the local judge. :) No I believe there is a legal question, but getting into a detailed legal debate is fairly pointless on this forum. The most concern comes from the moral issue and the fact that BoB would do that in the first place. As a side note though, I did not mention the word 'sue'. Quite deliberately. EU nations have a law which allows a 'right to privacy' and the online publication of a persons voice without their consent can be said to breach that law. Its a fairly simple interpretation of the law, but it certainly backs up the moral case: quite simply, it is wrong.
reaTh Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:26:00 - [564] Edited by: reaTh on 08/10/2006 16:26:35 Hello Butter Dog, This is a message to confirm your membership for a BoB fanboi with this you have the right to: Post utter Bull** about BoB since you obviously know all the internal workings of BoB. Also the right to post and any BoB thread and to personal attack BoB members. The membership also include you allowing to comment on all of BoB's campains with 100% accuracy even tho you arnt there. Your badge and membership certificate will be eve-mail to you thanks, reaTh BoB fanclub Director edit spelling ______________________________________________ Current RKK Ranking: (MIN11) Nyota**
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:28:00 - [565] Originally by: reaTh Edited by: reaTh on 08/10/2006 16:26:35 Hello Butter Dog, This is a message to confirm your membership for a BoB fanboi with this you have the right to: Post utter Bull**** about BoB since you obviously know all the internal workings of BoB. Also the right to post and any BoB thread and to personal attack BoB members. The membership also include you allowing to comment on all of BoB's campains with 100% accuracy even tho you arnt there. Your badge and membership certificate will be eve-mail to you thanks, reaTh BoB fanclub Director edit spelling Hast recieved a warning + ban for the exact same comment. Your warning and ban from forums will be eve-mailed to you. Man i should have been a mod ♥ reaTh. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:35:00 - [566] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: reaTh Edited by: reaTh on 08/10/2006 16:26:35 Hello Butter Dog, This is a message to confirm your membership for a BoB fanboi with this you have the right to: Post utter Bull**** about BoB since you obviously know all the internal workings of BoB. Also the right to post and any BoB thread and to personal attack BoB members. The membership also include you allowing to comment on all of BoB's campains with 100% accuracy even tho you arnt there. Your badge and membership certificate will be eve-mail to you thanks, reaTh BoB fanclub Director edit spelling Hast recieved a warning + ban for the exact same comment. Your warning and ban from forums will be eve-mailed to you. Man i should have been a mod ♥ reaTh. If you were a mod I wouldn't dare to post And to that ASCN dude, we got voice prof that you guys log out to save your self and yet you keep claiming it's us that do it So learn to controll your anger because when we start taking your stations I don't want to see loads of smack from you guys. Cya. You Will Cry My Name
Monkey Brother Caldari Happy Life Creator	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:35:00 - [567] Planting spies on privately ownwed TS servers is not within the game mechanics. I bet the legality of it (RL legality) can be discussed too. -------------- Monkey Brother CEO of HAPLI For standings, contact Monkey Brother
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:39:00 - [568] Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/10/2006 16:39:07 Good luck with those RL lawsuits chaps, now move back to the OP please. Good luck with dealing with the TPAR slaughter. I believe that the TPAR siege has failed. So where are you going to go from here? You've seen our capabilities, you've seen what we have, you've seen what we are going to do next. So ASCN... what are you going to do? Cry foul on the forums? Stand up, take it on the chin and move to your Plan B? Or tuck tail and run to empire. Your choice, your game, the ball is still in your court. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Lootcatcher	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:40:00 - [569] Whats next DDOS attack on a TS server to gain the upper hand?
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:42:00 - [570] Originally by: Lootcatcher Whats next DDOS attack on a TS server to gain the upper hand? Well since ASCN are getting slaughtered we won't need that for a while. You Will Cry My Name

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