Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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Here is an unbiased status of what happened sicne yesterday till now .

-Pos shooting comences with dreads and our fleet guarding it with ASCN hostiles in local , no attempt to defend their POS was made , thats after the 2 carriers got smoked.

-Later on huge ASCN fleet arrives at Tcag and ugs the pos while another fleet of theirs prepares in one of their TPar Pos.

-Several hours wasted on waiting for either the Tpar or Tcag fleets to bring it and start the pew pew but zip later on i logged off and there was a fight and another ASCN carrier was smoked.

-Tcag fleet finaly showed up at Tpar gate and started to set them selves so we decided to jump czo we do wanna have a fight , the usual happens and node crashes and both fleets are attempting to relog.

-ASCN pilots petion us for crashign the node or maybe it was a stroek of luck , although what we did was jump our 100 man gang to their 100 + gang in Tcag , Gms investigate it and nothing happens and ASCN pilots just dont want to log on , TBH if u didnt waste ur time making petions and attempted to log on maybe u might have had more ppl to fight , but according to the comments from ASCN pilots in loca which i have one in my BIO i think they did the petion.

-ASCN pilots start randomly logging in and getting ganked with no organization which results in our KB stats.

-Several more hours of constant warping in or out in hope that the hostile fleet will enage but still no major fight.

-POS bashing comences and 2 more Large ASCN towers sent to oblivion .

Falme , whine , complain , up to u realy , i was there and thats what happened .

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Originally by: Zeveron

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Edited by: Zeveron on 08/10/2006 09:15:38

Originally by: Ab Initio

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Most of the points in Cyvoks post have already had 20 rebuttles posted against it, but I would like to comment on one particular item.

Lag. There is no point complaining about it constantly, it's a part of the game. Just like us Aussies complaining about drought, at what point do we realise that this is what we have to work with.

During fighting yesterday, there was between 160 - 190 ASCN camping TCAG gate in TPAR. A massive amount of those ships were BS, and there firepower was horrific (we lost a couple of runs, including 6 BS downed in about 8 - 10 seconds at one point). At the hight of there numbers, we were at our lowest of about 17 BS, and we kept engaging (and winning).

During the entire fight, we warped in at range on every run so that both sides could load, and then warped into the field to engage.

Now how you can:

1. Have a go at us for not engaging you. When those are 11:1 odds during that fight (that lasted for almost an entire day).
2. Have a go at us for lag? Everytime we engaged you, you had to load 17 ships. We had to load 160+. Everytime we engaged we did everything we could to minimise lag and get good fights.

Everyone can say what they want on these boards, but the ASCN and BOB that are actually in these fights know what's going on.

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sign on that.
Well the numbers are again not accurate but grats for engaging.
Both sides had fun:

Engagment1
Engagment2
Engagment3
Engagment4

The fights were not that uneven, bcs many of us were out off range (check the 4rth video).
There were some engagments more, but forgot to push the fraps button (was damn sleepy and tiered, beeing there 12h).

Again grats of u guys giving us a good fight and most important fun :-)

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Originally by: HordeZla

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as for the comment about ascn only matching our numbers....thats just silly. They are right, they should be allowed to take what ever fleet compliments they wish to defend there space

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Quote:

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Easy kills??

Seems you are getting exactly what you normally look for as well;)

Took ASCN long enough to smell the coffee, but bless you, that coffee smells good.

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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Here is an unbiased status of what happened sicne yesterday till now .

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Originally by: anonymous

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If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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Edited by: welsh wizard on 08/10/2006 10:19:49

Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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Here is an unbiased status of what happened sicne yesterday till now .

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lol

Nice report Yazoul but here is the definition of unbiased:

unbiased

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Originally by: Zeveron

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Edited by: Zeveron on 08/10/2006 09:15:38

Originally by: Ab Initio

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Most of the points in Cyvoks post have already had 20 rebuttles posted against it, but I would like to comment on one particular item.

Lag. There is no point complaining about it constantly, it's a part of the game. Just like us Aussies complaining about drought, at what point do we realise that this is what we have to work with.

During fighting yesterday, there was between 160 - 190 ASCN camping TCAG gate in TPAR. A massive amount of those ships were BS, and there firepower was horrific (we lost a couple of runs, including 6 BS downed in about 8 - 10 seconds at one point). At the hight of there numbers, we were at our lowest of about 17 BS, and we kept engaging (and winning).

During the entire fight, we warped in at range on every run so that both sides could load, and then warped into the field to engage.

Now how you can:

1. Have a go at us for not engaging you. When those are 11:1 odds during that fight (that lasted for almost an entire day).
2. Have a go at us for lag? Everytime we engaged you, you had to load 17 ships. We had to load 160+. Everytime we engaged we did everything we could to minimise lag and get good fights.

Everyone can say what they want on these boards, but the ASCN and BOB that are actually in these fights know what's going on.

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sign on that.
Well the numbers are again not accurate but grats for engaging.
Both sides had fun:

Engagment1
Engagment2
Engagment3
Engagment4

The fights were not that uneven, bcs many of us were out off range (check the 4rth video).
There were some engagments more, but forgot to push the fraps button (was damn sleepy and tiered, beeing there 12h).

Again grats of u guys giving us a good fight and most important fun :-)

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Originally by: Darcuese

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Edited by: Darcuese on 08/10/2006 10:27:21

Originally by: welsh wizard

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Edited by: welsh wizard on 08/10/2006 10:19:49

Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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Here is an unbiased status of what happened sicne yesterday till now .

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lol

Nice report Yazoul but here is the definition of unbiased:

unbiased

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Move on please and continue to play tetris in Fountain or in that thread of yours

Or at least state what did he write wrong

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Originally by: anonymous

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If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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Well if you cant see it I won't waste my time.

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Originally by: papaPadla

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OMG im tired of all the forums thing.

BOB has more... let's be honest... A ****LOAD MORE experience of running gang's and fleets and reacting under pressure.
This ofcourse includes tricks about how the server works... how to avoid lag, how to login faster... etc

Try to learn how to fight better not how to complain better.

My thanks to all bob pilots teaching me (and all of ASCN) how to fight better, to organise better, giving those that are willing the so much needed fight experience.
I know that specially those that lost ships to bob are now better pilots beacouse of it.

Again, my thanks.

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Originally by: Moghydin

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I won't accuse anyone of exploiting or cheating, but from what I understand, ASCN pilots have lost the log in race after node crash EVERY SINGLE TIME. That is frustrating and strange. Probably BoB knows how to operate better under extreme lag conditions, I have no problem with that. I have a problem with CCP for failing to deliver us a service we pay for every month.

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Originally by: Dekiri

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Aside from all the childish nonsense in this thread i have to say that i am a bit curious why ASCN and BoB even engage with so many people. Especially ASCN who apparently have a numbers advantage...

.. wouldn't it hurt much more if you where being a bit creative and start spamming poses in multiple BoB systems(not to close to each other) and attack multiple systems and split your fleet to force them to split theirs as well? That way you wont only be able to actually fight, you would also be able to exploit your numbers advantage to the max.

My fleet combat experience is a bit limited, but if i have not made a huge mistake in my analysis then you could have it so easy, but instead force yourself into a lagfest that really noone needs.

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Originally by: papaPadla

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OMG im tired of all the forums thing.

BOB has more... let's be honest... A ****LOAD MORE experience of running gang's and fleets and reacting under pressure.
This ofcourse includes tricks about how the server works... how to avoid lag, how to login faster... etc

Try to learn how to fight better not how to complain better.

My thanks to all bob pilots teaching me (and all of ASCN) how to fight better, to organise better, giving those that are willing the so much needed fight experience.
I know that specially those that lost ships to bob are now better pilots beacouse of it.

Again, my thanks.

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Originally by: John McCreedy

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BoB, ffs. Seriously 13 pages of this nonsence is enough.

1: We're still in your space after 4 days - fact
2:We still have 4 POS in your space - fact
3:You have the lion's share of the kills - fact
4:Node crashes every time we engage - fact

Who cares? It's a game so stop all this smack and show some maturity. It's becoming rather tiresome.

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Originally by: Louisa Torres

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Originally by: Dekiri

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Aside from all the childish nonsense in this thread i have to say that i am a bit curious why ASCN and BoB even engage with so many people. Especially ASCN who apparently have a numbers advantage...

.. wouldn't it hurt much more if you where being a bit creative and start spamming poses in multiple BoB systems(not to close to each other) and attack multiple systems and split your fleet to force them to split theirs as well? That way you wont only be able to actually fight, you would also be able to exploit your numbers advantage to the max.

My fleet combat experience is a bit limited, but if i have not made a huge mistake in my analysis then you could have it so easy, but instead force yourself into a lagfest that really noone needs.

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POS spam is creative now?

k.

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Originally by: John McCreedy

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We're still in your space after 4 days - fact
We still have 4 POS in your space - fact
You have the lion's share of the kills - fact
Node crashes every time we engage - fact

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Originally by: Dekiri

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Originally by: Louisa Torres

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Originally by: Dekiri

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Aside from all the childish nonsense in this thread i have to say that i am a bit curious why ASCN and BoB even engage with so many people. Especially ASCN who apparently have a numbers advantage...

.. wouldn't it hurt much more if you where being a bit creative and start spamming poses in multiple BoB systems(not to close to each other) and attack multiple systems and split your fleet to force them to split theirs as well? That way you wont only be able to actually fight, you would also be able to exploit your numbers advantage to the max.

My fleet combat experience is a bit limited, but if i have not made a huge mistake in my analysis then you could have it so easy, but instead force yourself into a lagfest that really noone needs.

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POS spam is creative now?

k.

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You obviously can't read =/

The creative part would be to not take the main force into one system, but instead hurt at different spots instead of producing lag. POS spamming is of course going to happen(it apparently already does so if or if not to spam poses is not the question here obviously) the game mechanics force it somehow, but how you do it is not forced on you.
I honestly would have expected a less stupid answer to my question, but i guess i have to take what i get.

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Originally by: Beyond Horizon

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25vs25 LAG free battles??? GIVF!!!!!

Then BoB really do have a special-for-them proxy server if you have no lag when engaging 25x25, cause i have lagz when i fly solo =))))) "SESSION CHANGE IN PROGRESS" FTW

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Originally by: fire 59

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Originally by: Dekiri

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Originally by: Louisa Torres

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Originally by: Dekiri

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Aside from all the childish nonsense in this thread i have to say that i am a bit curious why ASCN and BoB even engage with so many people. Especially ASCN who apparently have a numbers advantage...

.. wouldn't it hurt much more if you where being a bit creative and start spamming poses in multiple BoB systems(not to close to each other) and attack multiple systems and split your fleet to force them to split theirs as well? That way you wont only be able to actually fight, you would also be able to exploit your numbers advantage to the max.

My fleet combat experience is a bit limited, but if i have not made a huge mistake in my analysis then you could have it so easy, but instead force yourself into a lagfest that really noone needs.

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POS spam is creative now?

k.

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You obviously can't read =/

The creative part would be to not take the main force into one system, but instead hurt at different spots instead of producing lag. POS spamming is of course going to happen(it apparently already does so if or if not to spam poses is not the question here obviously) the game mechanics force it somehow, but how you do it is not forced on you.
I honestly would have expected a less stupid answer to my question, but i guess i have to take what i get.

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Actually, her respense was more of a question than an answer so i guess that make's you pretty stupid tbh.

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Originally by: Zeveron

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Ok normaly I am not doing this and I shouldnt join any flame wars.
But explain me somthing. If u understand the lag problems and you have that much lag we got when we jumping/warping in, why the hack comming then in the forums and you guys posting YAY !!!!!!!!! we got 70 bs kills with no loss.

Yeah right, u cannot get killed if ur enemy is loading.
Here an example:
Nice kill :-)

I am making another one for the todays try to jump in TCAG system.

Its ok, you got the kill. I dont have a problem with getting killed.
The problem I have with u guys is that you come and you refer at those kills as accomplishments.

Well have fun with ur easy kills :-)

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Originally by: Kozak

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Every battle, we have TS spys.

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Originally by: Sir JoJo

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Edited by: Sir JoJo on 06/10/2006 21:43:37

Originally by: Krystian

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Good job ASCN for being the first (or first in a long while) to lay siege to BoB space.

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Siege. hmm not sure all ppl have the same opinion on how a siege would look like.

it maybe started as the shortest siege ever but sure aint anything like it anymore.

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Originally by: TheDeathStar

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Originally by: Sir JoJo

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Edited by: Sir JoJo on 06/10/2006 21:43:37

Originally by: Krystian

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Good job ASCN for being the first (or first in a long while) to lay siege to BoB space.

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Siege. hmm not sure all ppl have the same opinion on how a siege would look like.

it maybe started as the shortest siege ever but sure aint anything like it anymore.

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If i'm not mistaken nobody from ascn said anything about a siege off tpar too start with! So you are disagreeing with your own alliance leader then i guess?

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Originally by: magickangaroo

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Originally by: Zeveron

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Ok normaly I am not doing this and I shouldnt join any flame wars.
But explain me somthing. If u understand the lag problems and you have that much lag we got when we jumping/warping in, why the hack comming then in the forums and you guys posting YAY !!!!!!!!! we got 70 bs kills with no loss.

Yeah right, u cannot get killed if ur enemy is loading.
Here an example:
Nice kill :-)

I am making another one for the todays try to jump in TCAG system.

Its ok, you got the kill. I dont have a problem with getting killed.
The problem I have with u guys is that you come and you refer at those kills as accomplishments.

Well have fun with ur easy kills :-)

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dude i used to fly with GODS ALOT, in fact they were pretty much who i flew with.

just lookin at that video and your statements its clear to anyone with half a clue about large scale pvp what your doing wrong.

wish tumadra would get his ass out of wow and sort you guys out, he should be ashamed of what youve become.

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