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Sirr Hammer Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 12:55:00 - [451] oo so many post :-) first of. the sigde of tpar is defenly over it really only lastet 12-16 houres ..after that we coud almost unhindered jump in and out of tpar ..so sigde over ..yes u stil got players in tpar ..yes maby there is stil 1 or 2 of ur 13 posses from ur first snig attack left ..not really a big deal ...we woud love to fight u lag free .. but evrey chance u se u sit on the in gate camping .trying to use the jump lag .. numerus times we gave u the chance to jump us in same system. but u chose not to even that u had loads more ships and alomst 90% more scorps then us :-)and if any enemy pilot think that this attack.has gained anything exsept for losses and humiliation..they are wrong...but keep beliving it ..so we keep getting kils .me personaly think that cyvok think he foud a taktik that work ...go make a half atempt to take a non critical station sigde a system whit as many players as possebol. leet bob kil and mayhem the enemy posses and ships .then fall back and hope .bobs blodhunger is settelt and ride the storm that way .its most likly not right but it coud be if ur lokking on the fackts of the last feew days . next topic iff u really wahnt to fight just go to tcag convo oure fc and ask for a fight im sure whatever number of bs and what ever range u deside ull get a positive respons ..as long ofc that the rest of ur fleet is 2 jumps off tcag .but that vil newer happen so nm..i heard that ppl logging in after a node cras get there stuf replaced .in my opinion in thise large battels. when u log back in there is 2 ways it can go ...1 u get in before ur enemy and u get kills ...2 u dont get in before ur enemys and u might die ..they point here is u dont die beceouse of the node crash- no u die beceous u try to get a heads up on ur aponent .and therefor know the risk of logging in when u know and understand the risk. and try to gain from it ..when u lose u shudent get compensatet ..but just my op.so keep em comming this is not the end its barly the beginning..
Sutter Kane Caldari Zombie Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.08 12:58:00 - [452] Originally by: Beyond Horizon 25vs25 LAG free battles??? GIVF!!!!! Then BoB really do have a special-for-them proxy server if you have no lag when engaging 25x25, cause i have lagz when i fly solo =))))) "SESSION CHANGE IN PROGRESS" FTW Maby time to replace your sinclair spectrum cpu for a new one :)
slip66 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 13:13:00 - [453] looks like I picked the right time to get back home after being at sea! See you all in game soon. Looks like some things never change :) I need a new sig! taking offers! Originally by: StOrM ViPeR Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 13:16:00 - [454] Edited by: Darcuese on 08/10/2006 13:16:49 Originally by: Sirr Hammer I need to press ENTER button more often and sometimes SPACE bar too when writing posts like this Discussing moderation in your signature is bad. Don't do it- Tirg Imperial Academy is currently recruiting Paragol Soul residents
James Britanicus Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 13:27:00 - [455] Originally by: Tholarim Edited by: Tholarim on 08/10/2006 11:19:32 Originally by: Moghydin I won't accuse anyone of exploiting or cheating, but from what I understand, ASCN pilots have lost the log in race after node crash EVERY SINGLE TIME. That is frustrating and strange. Probably BoB knows how to operate better under extreme lag conditions, I have no problem with that. I have a problem with CCP for failing to deliver us a service we pay for every month. As one of my members pointed out in this thread earlier: We crash, just like you do. We have a black screen, just like you do. We win the login after the node crash cus we know that every single person in our gang is logging in. Without hesitation, and without fear. You guys however seem to tell your ppl to use log on and off tactics to avoid the gate or just plain not logging in. We win, becus we completely 100 % trust every single member in our gang to do as he's told. I have been in several of the node dropping conflicts. and I state categorically that no ascn FC has ever ordered a log off in the conflicts I have been in. I truely believe that no ASCN FC has ever ordered a log off. However yes we have been ordered to delay loggin in after node crash but this is because you guys manage to log back in enmass even before some of us realize that the node even crashed. It would be silly to log back in when you(BoB) have obvious control of the gate. If More FC's prevented individual logins after the node crash then your kill board would not be as full as it is. Fleet battles against well experienced players such as yourselves is a very steep learning curve. LIke a baby learning to walk. Lotsa falls at the beginning but eventualy they learn to run, kick, play soccer and fight. You are teaching us how to walk, run even my only regret is that we are learning too slowly and falling too often. But I implore you to stick to the facts. Most of us are enjoying this and are honorable players and both sides need to stop making allegations and inuendo's. This is a game but due to it's longevity there have been numerous grudges built and they keep rearing their ugly heads. Congrats to BoB on their success's and kudo's to ASCN on their big brass balls and their ability to die as often as necessary in order to learn. With respect to both sides. Brit **************************************************************** He thinks he is Uber, if you don't believe me, just ask him :)
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.08 13:31:00 - [456] Originally by: Deathsoul Originally by: Zeveron Edited by: Zeveron on 08/10/2006 09:15:38 Originally by: Ab Initio Most of the points in Cyvoks post have already had 20 rebuttles posted against it, but I would like to comment on one particular item. Lag. There is no point complaining about it constantly, it's a part of the game. Just like us Aussies complaining about drought, at what point do we realise that this is what we have to work with. During fighting yesterday, there was between 160 - 190 ASCN camping TCAG gate in TPAR. A massive amount of those ships were BS, and there firepower was horrific (we lost a couple of runs, including 6 BS downed in about 8 - 10 seconds at one point). At the hight of there numbers, we were at our lowest of about 17 BS, and we kept engaging (and winning). During the entire fight, we warped in at range on every run so that both sides could load, and then warped into the field to engage. Now how you can: 1. Have a go at us for not engaging you. When those are 11:1 odds during that fight (that lasted for almost an entire day). 2. Have a go at us for lag? Everytime we engaged you, you had to load 17 ships. We had to load 160+. Everytime we engaged we did everything we could to minimise lag and get good fights. Everyone can say what they want on these boards, but the ASCN and BOB that are actually in these fights know what's going on. sign on that. Well the numbers are again not accurate but grats for engaging. Both sides had fun: Engagment1 Engagment2 Engagment3 Engagment4 The fights were not that uneven, bcs many of us were out off range (check the 4rth video). There were some engagments more, but forgot to push the fraps button (was damn sleepy and tiered, beeing there 12h). Again grats of u guys giving us a good fight and most important fun :-) You actualy should show ASCN this (oh you are 1 of them :l) so they figure out that they cant cry and brable over lag when you have such a nice proofs that your ship IS workin and you are NOT killed by exploid from some sperminator ubergun. From what i see in those videos i can thou tell you one thing, i see 5 points that you could fix to get allot less lag, now go sleep on it and figure what those points are, maby you should ask your FC if he knows (i doubt it thou). well I maybe know some of the points u mean. The problem in my case is not the client server lag, but the server side lag and node crash. I could make my client some nanoseconds faster, but thats not the problem. The problem is this: http://eve-files.com/dl/62742 There is no need to dl the file. Its only me trying to jump in TCAG 5 minutes, till the node crashes. When the node crashed I was in G-M. When I logged in later, I was in TCAG. I couldnt join the fight, while u (and I belive all the ppl in TCAG, ASCN and BoB, could). Can I optimize my client for that? If yes pls explain me how. If not, lets request from CCP to fix it. Now enough posting, I am gona c you all in space ----------------------------------
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 13:36:00 - [457] Originally by: James Britanicus However yes we have been ordered to delay loggin in after node crash but this is because you guys manage to log back in enmass even before some of us realize that the node even crashed. u sound like a reasnobel man but that thing u dont really belive u self do u? well when node crash usually i see a error msg and then client reboots. if we manage to log in before u guys realise they crashed u must have awefull lots off afk ppl in u gang snip Don't be nasty [email protected] to discuss mod - Cathath i am not nasty
hazeb Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 13:40:00 - [458] Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:41:11 Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:40:47 Originally by: James Britanicus I have been in several of the node dropping conflicts. and I state categorically that no ascn FC has ever ordered a log off in the conflicts I have been in. I truely believe that no ASCN FC has ever ordered a log off. to that I just have one thing to say... http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav[/url dam interface
BadManEdmundo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 13:43:00 - [459] Originally by: hazeb to that I just have one thing to say... [url="http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav"[/url] ho ho ho, thats a keeper. __________________
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 13:44:00 - [460] Well, I doubt ASCN intend to seige you, or take over your space. But what they have achieved is to distract you. To take you back home, and move the focus of your attention out of their space. Its an intelligent move. And crucially, it has worked. You have played into their hands as they knew you would.

Mace Ardguy Dark Wheel	Posted - 2006.10.08 13:55:00 - [461] Hell, I'd log off if things lagged to buggery and if my enemy had a history of logging in faster turning a fleet engagement in to a fish-in-a-barrel shoot. What is staggering is that there are people arguing on there. FC has command. That's it. In my previous corp we operated a three strikes and you're out policy. That would be a strike. ASCN sounds like a disorganised rabble where they debate each instruction. Democracy doesn't work when someone has a gun to your head.
Monarch Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.08 13:59:00 - [462] Originally by: hazeb Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:41:11 Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:40:47 Originally by: James Britanicus I have been in several of the node dropping conflicts. and I state categorically that no ascn FC has ever ordered a log off in the conflicts I have been in. I truely believe that no ASCN FC has ever ordered a log off. to that I just have one thing to say... http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav[/url dam interface PWND yet again.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:02:00 - [463] Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/10/2006 14:05:27 Originally by: hazeb Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:41:11 Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:40:47 Originally by: James Britanicus I have been in several of the node dropping conflicts. and I state categorically that no ascn FC has ever ordered a log off in the conflicts I have been in. I truely believe that no ASCN FC has ever ordered a log off. to that I just have one thing to say... http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav dam interface I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:03:00 - [464] Originally by: Butter Dog Well, I doubt ASCN intend to seige you, or take over your space. But what they have achieved is to distract you. To take you back home, and move the focus of your attention out of their space. Its an intelligent move. And crucially, it has worked. You have played into their hands as they knew you would. Ok, assuming you are right. Then ASCN has managed to delay us by the grand total of four days so far. Delayed us during a premature stage of the war (since we hadn't even really started yet, we were just having a bit of fun in their space without any immediate objective other then killing lots of stuff, which we did) in which there is relatively little to gain by delaying us for that grand total of four days. The cost of that has been about 150 or so battleships and three carriers and soon about 13 large control towers if I recall things rightly, as well as serious demoralisation judging by what we hear has been said to those few poor guys that actually still try to assert some semblence of control over the ASCN forces. I'm sure they intended that, definately. And I'm sure we don't really mind that either. I'm all for deing delayed this way Old blog
Coranor Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:03:00 - [465] Edited by: Coranor on 08/10/2006 14:04:26 Originally by: Butter Dog Well, I doubt ASCN intend to seige you, or take over your space. But what they have achieved is to distract you. To take you back home, and move the focus of your attention out of their space. Its an intelligent move. And crucially, it has worked. You have played into their hands as they knew you would. Yeah it only cost them 13 large POS and somewhere in the vicinty of 180 battleships. Something tells me that they did'nt intend that to happen. You don't commit that many resources to a simple distraction. Not even ascn have pockets so bottomless as to shrug off losses like that. oh and Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. Bit of Deja v· there tbh. --------------
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:04:00 - [466] Originally by: Coranor Originally by: Butter Dog Well, I doubt ASCN intend to seige you, or take over your space. But what they have achieved is to distract you. To take you back home, and move the focus of your attention out of their space. Its an intelligent move. And crucially, it has worked. You have played into their hands as they knew you would. Yeah it only cost them 13 large POS and somewhere in the vicinty of 180 battleships. Something tells me that they did'nt intend that to happen. You don't commit that many resources to a simple distraction. Not even ascn have pockets so bottomless as to shrug off losses like that. BS are insurable, they are self-sufficient in terms of mods, so the only real cost is the POS. Frankly I could afford 13 large POS on my own, never mind the largest and richest alliance in EVE. So, I don't really agree with your analysis. They could probably afford that 100 times over.
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:07:00 - [467] Originally by: BadManEdmundo Originally by: hazeb to that I just have one thing to say... [url="http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav"[/url] ho ho ho, thats a keeper. its not the log off command that gets me.. but the funniest thing about that is.. "we are in BoB space guys, we cant do anything BUT we are in BoB space." love it. --------------------------------------------- Maybe we will win the war by getting every bob pilot banned from eve maybe.:/ --thebold
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:12:00 - [468] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Coranor Originally by: Butter Dog Well, I doubt ASCN intend to seige you, or take over your space. But what they have achieved is to distract you. To take you back home, and move the focus of your attention out of their space. Its an intelligent move. And crucially, it has worked. You have played into their hands as they knew you would. Yeah it only cost them 13 large POS and somewhere in the vicinty of 180 battleships. Something tells me that they did'nt intend that to happen. You don't commit that many resources to a simple distraction. Not even ascn have pockets so bottomless as to shrug off losses like that. BS are insurable, they are self-sufficient in terms of mods, so the only real cost is the POS. Frankly I could afford 13 large POS on my own, never mind the largest and richest alliance in EVE. So, I don't really agree with your analysis. They could probably afford that 100 times over. And so can we. The difference being that they are going to need to afford that 100 times over as far as we are concerned, and that they are incapable of forcing us to deal with any serious losses of our own so far. Aside from that, you're again forgetting that constant pressure is far more important then the actual losses. And pressure is psychological too, which means it's unimportant where you are being shot to pieces, the hurtfull part for any alliances is being shot to pieces at all, and having rifts form within the ranks because of it. That is, if you operate from a standpoint of fearing loss of what you've achieved above everything else, something ASCN does and we don't. Even if a war wouldn't cost ASCN a single net isk, but would have all the other usual effects, they'd still lose it in the end. Old blog
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:18:00 - [469] Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. You really need to step away from the keyboard for a while. Eve Blacklight Style
Coranor Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:18:00 - [470] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Coranor Originally by: Butter Dog Well, I doubt ASCN intend to seige you, or take over your space. But what they have achieved is to distract you. To take you back home, and move the focus of your attention out of their space. Its an intelligent move. And crucially, it has worked. You have played into their hands as they knew you would. Yeah it only cost them 13 large POS and somewhere in the vicinty of 180 battleships. Something tells me that they did'nt intend that to happen. You don't commit that many resources to a simple distraction. Not even ascn have pockets so bottomless as to shrug off losses like that. BS are insurable, they are self-sufficient in terms of mods, so the only real cost is the POS. Frankly I could afford 13 large POS on my own, never mind the largest and richest alliance in EVE. So, I don't really agree with your analysis. They could probably afford that 100 times over. Oh so they get all their t2 weapons and modules for free then? Oh i did'nt know that damn. 13 large pos, though you personally may be able to afford them, are not a distraction. Its an invasion. You don't commit them unless you're having a go and you don't put the morale of your fleets on the line and lose 180 bs unless you're having a proper go. leaving. --------------

Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:20:00 - [471] Originally by: hazeb Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:41:11 Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:40:47 Originally by: James Britanicus I have been in several of the node dropping conflicts. and I state categorically that no ascn FC has ever ordered a log off in the conflicts I have been in. I truely believe that no ASCN FC has ever ordered a log off. to that I just have one thing to say... [url="http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav"linky[/url dam interface ROFL ! just omg ROFL, i need to know who made the log off order pleeeeaaassseee. BobÖ Goon Swatter - Eliminates Every Goon
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:23:00 - [472] seems like Ascn leadership is now aware of the demoralizing effect the tpar results have on their troops moral. Ascn added non BoB corps (tpar locals) kills to the campaign data to boost the efficency from 30 to 40% ignoring to add Aznac, Pos and Axe losses ofc. Who are you trying to kid cyvok ? This reminds me soo much about the good old Xetic days. Give it 2 more weeks and Cyvok will make a run for the hills again...
Dekiri Useless Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:23:00 - [473] Originally by: hazeb Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. hahaha ok then. It might sound funny but the admiral has a point there. -------------- My dad can beat up your dad! Support lowsec!
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:23:00 - [474] Originally by: Coranor Oh so they get all their t2 weapons and modules for free then? Oh i did'nt know that damn. 13 large pos, though you personally may be able to afford them, are not a distraction. Its an invasion. You don't commit them unless you're having a go and you don't put the morale of your fleets on the line and lose 180 bs unless you're having a proper go. leaving. Well assuming they have the necessary BPO's, one could say they are as good as free, though what matters is not that - it is if they can afford to lose them. One should assume they can, I'd be shocked to hear otherwise. With regard to them 'invading', well... you know as well as me, that ASCN have no intention to invade your space. On the other had, you have been present in their space rather a lot. Think about it. All those hundreds of miners in ASCN space leaving the Ark alone for a few weeks. They were probably getting withdrawal symptoms. With you away for 4 days back home, their now liberated industrialists could pay for those 12 POS a hundred times over. You talk about 'pressure' but from the looks of things they are actually having fun, seeing as they WILLINGLY brought a fight into your own space. And fun is a good thing. Good luck to both of you on the quest to enjoy yourselves.
hazeb Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:25:00 - [475] Originally by: Kryztal ROFL ! just omg ROFL, i need to know who made the log off order pleeeeaaassseee. that was mccool. Their FC.
Ty'derian ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:26:00 - [476] Edited by: Ty''derian on 08/10/2006 14:27:05 Edited by: Ty''derian on 08/10/2006 14:26:27 Originally by: Kryztal Originally by: hazeb Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:41:11 Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:40:47 Originally by: James Britanicus I have been in several of the node dropping conflicts. and I state categorically that no ascn FC has ever ordered a log off in the conflicts I have been in. I truely believe that no ASCN FC has ever ordered a log off. l to that I just have one thing to say... [url="http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav"linky[/url dam interface ROFL ! just omg ROFL, i need to know who made the log off order pleeeeaaassseee. sorry guys.. but.. i think thats a little bit ill. eve is only a game and that what a kind of you ppl do is absolut poor nothing else. And to spy ppl on their teamspeakservers etc. its only sick and dont give you honor.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:27:00 - [477] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. You really need to step away from the keyboard for a while. And you really need to be aware of a few basic laws, as the publication of someones RL recorded voice without their permission, is not something to be taken lightly in the context of a game. Which is, after all, what this is. The whole recording and publication of that file makes me feel very uncomfortable. You blur the lines between gaming and RL. If I were you I would be ashamed of stooping too low, but perhaps I have too much moral conscience and mutual respect for others. Yes, even my enemies. You say I am the one who needs to step away from the keyboard? Thats rather hypocritical from someone who's alliance has resorted to a gross violation of someones basic privacy, and worse, blurred the distinction between RL and gaming to a very unhealthly degree. You prove your point on a forum with words, not illegal recordings.
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:29:00 - [478] Originally by: Butter Dog Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. Yes he would most likely tell you to call him again when uve a real job for him instead of something you think of beeing a huge lawcase. In most countries of this world someone using a free internet voicechat proggy and whining about beeing recorded for non commercial use will get laughed at by his own lawyer and the judge. Especially if ure talking about spaceships, virtual posessions and "logging off". So please stop beeing a part time lawyer....
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:29:00 - [479] Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. Been there, got the t-shirt, you don't have a leg to stand on.
Coranor Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:30:00 - [480] Originally by: Butter Dog [ With regard to them 'invading', well... you know as well as me, that ASCN have no intention to invade your space. Actually thats contrary to at least 3 of Cyvoks alliance mails. He expressed a desire to go on the offensive and keep the fighting in our space. The only consistent way to do this is to invade and establish a foothold. If you are right however and this is all a distraction then its the best distraction i've had since my ex stuffed her hand down my pants while i was watching tele :P --------------



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