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Ty'derian ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:30:00 - [481] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/10/2006 14:29:25 Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. You really need to step away from the keyboard for a while. And you really need to be aware of a few basic laws, as the publication of someones RL recorded voice without their permission, is not something to be taken lightly, least of all in the context of a game. Which is, after all, what this is. The whole recording and publication of that file makes me feel very uncomfortable. You blur the lines between gaming and RL. If I were you I would be ashamed of stooping too low, but perhaps I have too much moral conscience and mutual respect for others. Yes, even my enemies. You say I am the one who needs to step away from the keyboard? Thats rather hypocritical from someone who's alliance has resorted to a gross violation of someones basic privacy, and worse, blurred the distinction between RL and gaming to a very unhealthly degree. You prove your point on a forum with the written word, not illegal and morally dubious audio recordings. good post thx
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:31:00 - [482] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. Been there, got the t-shirt, you don't have a leg to stand on. Why are you directing that reply at me? I'm not the one who's voice it is. If you think this behaviour is acceptable, you are an unfortunate and sad individual. And I mean that in a very RL sense.
maGz The Priory	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:32:00 - [483] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. You really need to step away from the keyboard for a while. And you guys need to step away and let people have/sound their oppinions... ____________ The Priory Killboard
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:32:00 - [484] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. Been there, got the t-shirt, you don't have a leg to stand on. Why are you directing that reply at me? I'm not the one who's voice it is. If you think this behaviour is acceptable, you are an unfortunate and sad individual. And I mean that in a very RL sense. I hear the samaritans have a freephone number, ring them, I'm sure they care.
Ty'derian ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:35:00 - [485] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. Been there, got the t-shirt, you don't have a leg to stand on. Why are you directing that reply at me? I'm not the one who's voice it is. If you think this behaviour is acceptable, you are an unfortunate and sad individual. And I mean that in a very RL sense. I hear the samaritans have a freephone number, ring them, I'm sure they care.
Dekiri Useless Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:35:00 - [486] Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Butter Dog Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. Yes he would most likely tell you to call him again when uve a real job for him instead of something you think of beeing a huge lawcase. In most countries of this world someone using a free internet voicechat proggy and whining about beeing recorded for non commercial use will get laughed at by his own lawyer and the judge. Especially if ure talking about spaceships, virtual posessions and "logging off". So please stop beeing a part time lawyer.... I would really like to see the example case you are referring to here(just assuming that you have one since you sound so smart and knowing) ... No country i know of has laws about that specifically. Most do have laws about privacy and the right to decide where you are being published yourself. Alone listening to it without a permit is not to be taken lighter then spying on ones private phone calls. You would definitly get far with something like that in the european union. I don't know about the USA or other places, but in most countries with basic human rights you could get into serious trouble. What they talk about and what context this private conversation is part of is completly irrelevant btw. You don't get less trouble if you spy on a private phone call that is about buying butter at the grocery store compared to more "important things". It is the violation of the privacy that is the cause not the context it was happening in. -------------- My dad can beat up your dad! Support lowsec!
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:35:00 - [487] Originally by: Butter Dog Why are you directing that reply at me? I'm not the one who's voice it is. If you think this behaviour is acceptable, you are an unfortunate and sad individual. And I mean that in a very RL sense. Because youre the one wasting alot of breath trying to prove a point which has neither legally nor morally a ground to stand on ? I really love the internet ppl who try to tell you with a straight face they will make a huge lawcase out of something which most courts wouldnt even look at considering the flood of trials and the unimportance of the case. And thats not even covering "cross nation" lawcases and all the other areas such a lawsuit would touch. So please do yourself a favour and get back on the real topic. Ascn spaceships pew pew vs bob spaceships pew pew.
benji Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:35:00 - [488] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Kozak Every battle, we have TS spys. Except, we don't. And, tbh, if you guys can't use the tools at your disposal to secure your communications network then you only have yourselves to blame. to that I just have one thing to say... http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav dam interface seems to me Louisa Torres that you are a liar!!!
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:37:00 - [489] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. Been there, got the t-shirt, you don't have a leg to stand on. Why are you directing that reply at me? I'm not the one who's voice it is. If you think this behaviour is acceptable, you are an unfortunate and sad individual. And I mean that in a very RL sense. I hear the samaritans have a freephone number, ring them, I'm sure they care. Why would I wish to ring the samaritans exactly? None of this directly effects me. Your posts don't even make sense. If you wish to address the very real legal and ethical issues I have previously raised, go right ahead. If you lack the intellectual capacity to do so, just keep quiet, for the sake of your own credibility. Well, what little you have left.
Ty'derian ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:39:00 - [490] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. Been there, got the t-shirt, you don't have a leg to stand on. Why are you directing that reply at me? I'm not the one who's voice it is. If you think this behaviour is acceptable, you are an unfortunate and sad individual. And I mean that in a very RL sense. I hear the samaritans have a freephone number, ring them, I'm sure they care. Why would I wish to ring the samaritans exactly? None of this directly effects me. Your posts don't even make sense. If you wish to address the very real legal and ethical issues I have previously raised, go right ahead. If you lack the intellectual capacity to do so, just keep quiet, for the sake of your own credibility. Well, what little you have left. look at Louisa Torres other posts and you know the answer, only crap nothing else :)

James Britanicus Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:40:00 - [491] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/10/2006 14:05:27 Originally by: hazeb Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:41:11 Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:40:47 Originally by: James Britanicus I have been in several of the node dropping conflicts. and I state categorically that no ascn FC has ever ordered a log off in the conflicts I have been in. I truely believe that no ASCN FC has ever ordered a log off. to that I just have one thing to say... http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav dam interface I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. I was there and you only have part of the converstation, What we were talking about was that people were logging back in staggered and the decision to control q was made to try and organize a mass log in so we don't appear at the gate one at a time for you to pad your killboards. The control q was given immediately after someone said the gate was clear (prolly the same BoB spy that recorded this convo) and that it was safe to log in but cov ops said it is not, thats why the control q order was given Further it was given to the pilots who were dc'd waiting for the log back in command.. As I remember that your TS spy was kicked as it was found that he was recording this convo. So now you have blood on your hands. This proves beyond any doubt that BoB uses TS spies. Respect level plumitting, will to fight increasing. TS Spying is lame and showes that you can't fight fairly. In my original post I said that the only time we ever ordered people to remain logged off was in the case as it happened last night that this piece of crap recording was made. Shame............ **************************************************************** He thinks he is Uber, if you don't believe me, just ask him :)
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:40:00 - [492] Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Butter Dog Why are you directing that reply at me? I'm not the one who's voice it is. If you think this behaviour is acceptable, you are an unfortunate and sad individual. And I mean that in a very RL sense. Because youre the one wasting alot of breath trying to prove a point which has neither legally nor morally a ground to stand on ? I really love the internet ppl who try to tell you with a straight face they will make a huge lawcase out of something which most courts wouldnt even look at considering the flood of trials and the unimportance of the case. And thats not even covering "cross nation" lawcases and all the other areas such a lawsuit would touch. So please do yourself a favour and get back on the real topic. Ascn spaceships pew pew vs bob spaceships pew pew. Read my posts, I'm not saying I will 'make a huge lawsuit'. Its not my voice, why should I care. If it WERE my voice I would simply ask my solicitor to contact the site admin to remove it. Nice and simple, really. But, I do care about blurring the boundaries between RL and gaming, to this unhealthy degree. If you need to be morally corrupt to win an argument, its probably not an arguement worth winning in the first place. As is that case here.
Dekiri Useless Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:41:00 - [493] I really wonder why you people think it is legally no big deal to spy on private conversations. It is like hacking someones phone nothing else. You could get punished for that as easy as long as the person can proove it was you who did it. I myself would probably not care enough, but BD does have a point when he make this a topic, because you guys are obviously not capable of realizing what you are doing there. -------------- My dad can beat up your dad! Support lowsec!
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:43:00 - [494] Originally by: Dekiri ... You know what, visit your own lawyer and present him the case. I know the outcome and ive seen it before. You on the otherhand believe in all the yada yada some clueless guys with neither a lawdegree nor any knowledge of international law spout. Back on topic. Ascn seems to be on the backfoot ? Whats the new strategy now or are you just soldiering on ?
Zardock Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:46:00 - [495] So in recap so far ASCN have made me spill my coffee over yet another conspiracy theory. BoB do not lag? What's next? Come on and show me some more of that creativity. MY 2 cents to ASCN: If you're tired of lagging then don't bring 200 people for our 100 gang. Bring in 1:1 odds... ASCN won't because they know full well that they need to outnumber us by a lot to stand a chance. In short, as long as you keep bringing large numbers you're to blame for the lag that you're complaining about :) This thread keeps going and going and going. It's run it's course. The MODS are just keeping it opened because I guess they consider it good entertainment :)
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:46:00 - [496] Originally by: hazeb Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:41:11 Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:40:47 Originally by: James Britanicus I have been in several of the node dropping conflicts. and I state categorically that no ascn FC has ever ordered a log off in the conflicts I have been in. I truely believe that no ASCN FC has ever ordered a log off. to that I just have one thing to say... http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav[/url dam interface From now on, everytime somebody accuses us of login hack tactics or some other laughable claim in regards to relogging after a node crash, I'm gonna quote this little gem of a wav file! Shame on you ASCN! You guys sit there on your TS and hear your FC tell you that, and have the nerve to come on here and claim that BoB are cheating cause everytime a node death happens we're all logged in first!! Oh the shame! >>> EvE Online Wallpapers <<<
ph33rf4ct0ry Minmatar Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:46:00 - [497] Originally by: Dekiri I really wonder why you people think it is legally no big deal to spy on private conversations. It is like hacking someones phone nothing else. You could get punished for that as easy as long as the person can proove it was you who did it. I myself would probably not care enough, but BD does have a point when he make this a topic, because you guys are obviously not capable of realizing what you are doing there. I agree and with Butter dung too, don't we execute spys? So once the trial is done and BoB members get convicted of spying they will be executed \o/ Member of the POST WITH YOUR MAIN SOCIETY
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:47:00 - [498] Originally by: hazeb Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:41:11 Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:40:47 Originally by: James Britanicus I have been in several of the node dropping conflicts. and I state categorically that no ascn FC has ever ordered a log off in the conflicts I have been in. I truely believe that no ASCN FC has ever ordered a log off. to that I just have one thing to say... http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav[/url dam interface Awww there goes credibility down the drain Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
James Britanicus Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:48:00 - [499] Originally by: Sir JoJo Originally by: James Britanicus However yes we have been ordered to delay loggin in after node crash but this is because you guys manage to log back in enmass even before some of us realize that the node even crashed. u sound like a reasnobel man but that thing u dont really belive u self do u? well when node crash usually i see a error msg and then client reboots. if we manage to log in before u guys realise they crashed u must have awefull lots off afk ppl in u gang TBH my modules turned red and stayed like that forever after the jump to the gate, Then my client died and I got error message and tried to log back in. I am not sure how long I was lagged for but I couldn't even activate a module once I jumped in. So like I said I have no idea of exactly when the node failed but I bet it was about 3 minutes before I got DC'd. Brit **************************************************************** He thinks he is Uber, if you don't believe me, just ask him :)
Dekiri Useless Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:48:00 - [500] Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Dekiri ... You know what, visit your own lawyer and present him the case. I know the outcome and ive seen it before. You on the otherhand believe in all the yada yada some clueless guys with neither a lawdegree nor any knowledge of international law spout. Back on topic. Ascn seems to be on the backfoot ? Whats the new strategy now or are you just soldiering on ? You don't get it i guess. It is not about making a huge lawsuit. It is probably completly impossible to punish someone for that, because you can't proove who did it. The point is that it is violating basic human rights and it is going a step to far into peoples privacy. The point is what is right and wrong and this is definitly wrong in a real life kind of way. I don't know about you, but i had my deals with international law myself more then once business wise and i am quite well trained when it comes to business stuff and the international "rights". I am also aware that you wont be able to get someone into jail for that most likely unless he is stupid and confesses that it was him. Everybody with bit of a brain would realize that it is indeed violating the laws of pretty much all of the free countries in the world. Wether or not you can punish someone for it is irrelevant. -------------- My dad can beat up your dad! Support lowsec!

Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:48:00 - [501] Originally by: HostageTaker Originally by: hazeb Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:41:11 Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:40:47 Originally by: James Britanicus I have been in several of the node dropping conflicts. and I state categorically that no ascn FC has ever ordered a log off in the conflicts I have been in. I truely believe that no ASCN FC has ever ordered a log off. to that I just have one thing to say... http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav[/url dam interface From now on, everytime somebody accuses us of login hack tactics or some other laughable claim in regards to relogging after a node crash, I'm gonna quote this little gem of a wav file! Shame on you ASCN! You guys sit there on your TS and hear your FC tell you that, and have the nerve to come on here and claim that BoB are cheating cause everytime a node death happens we're all logged in first!! Oh the shame! I hear ye, when you see stuff like this in local: [14:30:54] Malachon Draco > `CONGRATULATIONS [14:30:54] Malachon Draco > EXPLOITING ANOTHER GODDAMN NODECRASH [14:30:54] Malachon Draco > I WAS AT THE ******* POS you really start wonder how it will sound when ASCN start losing stations. You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:48:00 - [502] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. You really need to step away from the keyboard for a while. Careful BL, the other day I suggested that one of "them" unplug their keyboard; I got a nice mail from the modsquad! >>> EvE Online Wallpapers <<<
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:49:00 - [503] Originally by: HostageTaker From now on, everytime somebody accuses us of login hack tactics or some other laughable claim in regards to relogging after a node crash, I'm gonna quote this little gem of a wav file! Shame on you ASCN! You guys sit there on your TS and hear your FC tell you that, and have the nerve to come on here and claim that BoB are cheating cause everytime a node death happens we're all logged in first!! Oh the shame! The only shame here is your alliance publishing someones voice on the internet without their permission, simply to win a forum arguement. Its more than shameful, it is utterly pathetic.
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:51:00 - [504] And btw about the legal implications... He was given the address and the password of the teamspeak server, so legaly you can't do ****. Deal with it :P Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:53:00 - [505] Originally by: Dekiri Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Dekiri ... You know what, visit your own lawyer and present him the case. I know the outcome and ive seen it before. You on the otherhand believe in all the yada yada some clueless guys with neither a lawdegree nor any knowledge of international law spout. Back on topic. Ascn seems to be on the backfoot ? Whats the new strategy now or are you just soldiering on ? You don't get it i guess. It is not about making a huge lawsuit. It is probably completly impossible to punish someone for that, because you can't proove who did it. The point is that it is violating basic human rights and it is going a step to far into peoples privacy. The point is what is right and wrong and this is definitly wrong in a real life kind of way. I don't know about you, but i had my deals with international law myself more then once business wise and i am quite well trained when it comes to business stuff and the international "rights". I am also aware that you wont be able to get someone into jail for that most likely unless he is stupid and confesses that it was him. Everybody with bit of a brain would realize that it is indeed violating the laws of pretty much all of the free countries in the world. Wether or not you can punish someone for it is irrelevant. as i said im my previous post, present your case to some lawyer close to you. Good or bad aside and let him tell you what will come out of it. Theoretically "robbing the t2 bpo from my corp" is as wrong since i rob them of their time spend etc. Still its part of this game. Ascn needs to tighten security and they wouldnt have spies. No matter if they just record stuff or just listen in. Private conversations are best held in private. Afterall youre not shouting out your bank details in a bar either and complaining later somene might have witnessed it or ? Now get back to the topic otherwise the mods will simply lock it for going offtopic and the tpar siege isnt over yet, is it ? So it would be a shame to kill this informative thread because of some semi knowledge law yada yada.
SkaffenAmtiskaw Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:54:00 - [506] Originally by: Butter Dog The only shame here is your alliance publishing someones voice on the internet without their permission, simply to win a forum arguement. Its more than shameful, it is utterly pathetic. Would you say this is completely different from forum spying? ______ 'A lot of the people in m0o were ok, a lot of them were exploiters, greiferes etc.' - Wrangler on m0o corp.
maGz The Priory	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:55:00 - [507] Originally by: TURBOman And btw about the legal implications... He was given the address and the password of the teamspeak server, so legaly you can't do ****. Deal with it :P If you cared to read and comprehend what people are actually saying it's not a problem whether it's legal or not... Problem is; it is considered a private server therefore one would assume that any conversation going on would be private as well. While publishing it is most likely legally ok, morally you just hit the bottom. Although it's seem like you continue to fall by continously defending the fact that it got posted... ____________ The Priory Killboard
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:55:00 - [508] Originally by: Dekiri Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Dekiri ... You know what, visit your own lawyer and present him the case. I know the outcome and ive seen it before. You on the otherhand believe in all the yada yada some clueless guys with neither a lawdegree nor any knowledge of international law spout. Back on topic. Ascn seems to be on the backfoot ? Whats the new strategy now or are you just soldiering on ? You don't get it i guess. It is not about making a huge lawsuit. It is probably completly impossible to punish someone for that, because you can't proove who did it. The point is that it is violating basic human rights and it is going a step to far into peoples privacy. The point is what is right and wrong and this is definitly wrong in a real life kind of way. I don't know about you, but i had my deals with international law myself more then once business wise and i am quite well trained when it comes to business stuff and the international "rights". I am also aware that you wont be able to get someone into jail for that most likely unless he is stupid and confesses that it was him. Everybody with bit of a brain would realize that it is indeed violating the laws of pretty much all of the free countries in the world. Wether or not you can punish someone for it is irrelevant. This is a game, and what makes this game so wonderful it's that it is much alike the real world, just in space :) Real warfare includes spying, so does warfare in this game. That is perfectly inside game mechanics. Write a petition to CCP if you don't like it, and find a more suitable game where your "rights" won't be violated in such manner. Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:55:00 - [509] Originally by: TURBOman And btw about the legal implications... He was given the address and the password of the teamspeak server, so legaly you can't do **. Deal with it :P Just because you can get away with something, doenst make it right. The real shame here is that you guys are too f*** up in the head to see that. Its totally and utterly pathetic. I feel sorry for you.
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:56:00 - [510] Originally by: Dekiri I really wonder why you people think it is legally no big deal to spy on private conversations. It is like hacking someones phone nothing else. You could get punished for that as easy as long as the person can proove it was you who did it. I myself would probably not care enough, but BD does have a point when he make this a topic, because you guys are obviously not capable of realizing what you are doing there. You realise, of course, that it wasn't a private conversation? That we didn't "hack" anything to gain access and that the internet is treated the same, for cases like this (in many respects, in the UK at any way), as the CB radio? We've had this threat before, we sought legal advice at the time, that was our answer. Try securing your comms.



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