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SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:31:00 - [1] Started early friday morning, at about 06.00 Evetime. ASCN, PoS and the invited V pilots, sent a major fleet over to the edge of Period Basis, roughly 200 brave pilots with reinforcements coming all morning. The system was bubbled up, with bubbles everywhere. They secured 13 POS in system, and sent in ~15 Dreadnoughts, and 10 carriers to attack and siege our POS. They even dared to put 2 of our small POS in reinforced mode. Bastards. Thankfully, the servers have been behaving all day, without node crashes, apart from the individual ones that seem to occure everytime we see a ASCN pod. Outrage. We do not like people knocking on our door when we are asleep. Today, after downtime, we made them pay. We woke up our pilots who drunkenly responded with "huh? what? ASCN trying to invade TPAR? WTF?". Needless to say, a slaughter ensued, the results can be witnessed on our killboard for those who choose to do so. At the moment of writing this, the hostile POS are dying one by one, and normality is ensured. The 250 hostile pilots in TCAG and TPAR is hiding in the wait for better weather, or, simply away washing their hair. We will not enter into a POS spamming war. We will however, make you pay dearly for each and every POS you try and set up. Count your losses, multiply that with the number of POS, and you might get an idea. Tick Tock.
Mankind mkII Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:33:00 - [2] I fully endorse this post
Xanenal Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:33:00 - [3] Its gonna be an interesting weekend...
DAViiD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:33:00 - [4] Edited by: DAViiD on 06/10/2006 21:32:55 1st? y444rrrr D. Lokan > This is more boring as listening to golf on radio!
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:33:00 - [5] Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:34:00 - [6] all i can say is JUMP PLZZ preatty PLZZZ snip Don't be nasty [email protected] to discuss mod - Cathath i am not nasty
Shar Gath KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:34:00 - [7] Edited by: Shar Gath on 06/10/2006 21:34:38 Originally by: SirMolle Tick Tock. KIA wannabe --------------- SMOKE BUD MON!!!
wierchas noobhunter Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:34:00 - [8] oh man JOIN cooolest channel in game "wierchas fan club" be cool ^^
Ysabelle nKataros Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:34:00 - [9] Jita's not to blame for everything, gentlemen. I present your friendly lag-bomb of the week, TPAR-G!
0Virtu0 Amarr Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:34:00 - [10] watches the clock http://www.shabadoo.info/ggremedial/ - See the Goon Drama!

Endeva Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:34:00 - [11]
Jor Myne Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:34:00 - [12] eeeeeek
CULBA Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:34:00 - [13]
OriaZ Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:35:00 - [14] Yarrrr, kill em all ! Black Nova Corp French Wing BOB Caldari Alliance Championship Winners
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:35:00 - [15] cmon guys, just jump in and lets havge some fun, i mean thats what we all pay for huh? do it, show some balls, and btw i have never seen such a slow fleetmovement ever, and ive been in xetic :P - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Krystian Caldari No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:36:00 - [16] Good job ASCN for being the first (or first in a long while) to lay siege to BoB space.
Kalthos Alto Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:36:00 - [17]
Chrony Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:36:00 - [18] Pah, i missed the fun part this morning....
Spartac0 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:36:00 - [19] oh dear... the beast has awakened it's gonna suck to be ASCN from now on
Neurosis Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:36:00 - [20] bs k/l ratio 46:0 last i looked on KB, can we say ouch! ./signed _________________________________________________


Serathu Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:36:00 - [21] Please stop spamming with unconstructive posts. \| Forum Rules \| CAOD Rules \| CRC Website \| [email protected] \|

HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:36:00 - [22] Death to all who step on my lawn! >>> EvE Online Wallpapers <<<
Josiah Bartlet Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:36:00 - [23] Originally by: SirMolle Thankfully, the servers have been behaving all day, without node crashes, apart from the individual ones that seem to occure everytime we see a ASCN pod. ROFL That is the best line yet, because it is so so true.
OzaLoni Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:36:00 - [24] Quote: Simply washing their hair? Head and Shoulders? Herbal Essence? Either way, come on guys jump in and fight?
AvanCade Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:36:00 - [25] They had a 70 man gang in system tonight and 130 1 jump out, and what they did, hide i am sorry if this is how you are gonna siege a system, i feel sorry for you guys. Be prepared for the inevitable
Eskalin Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:36:00 - [26] waiting for the jump in hury up and change your dress
Red Lantern Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:37:00 - [27] I would be interested in hearing any comments on this situation while we wait for them to find the gate in tcag to tpar!!!!
Demitrus Buttered On The Wrong Side	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:37:00 - [28] Go BoB forum squad go! Interesting development though, GL to ASCN
Aeleva Caldari Hegemonic Core Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:37:00 - [29] Edited by: Aeleva on 06/10/2006 21:40:48 The bob propaganda begins :) shall wait to see how things turn out. edit So the question is how bad IS the lag and who is getting favoured by it?
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:38:00 - [30] Originally by: Serathu Please stop spamming with unconstructive posts. Spamming? who's spamming? Cyvok. Give me paragon, and we'll let you leave t-par unscatched.

AvanCade Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:38:00 - [31] Originally by: Aeleva The bob propaganda begins :) shall wait to see how things turn out. Lay siege please, they aint even jumping in...
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:39:00 - [32] Win or lose, lets dance snip This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
jellybird Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:39:00 - [33] Originally by: Demitrus Go BoB forum squad go! Interesting development though, GL to ASCN 10/4 Good Buddy
Calandra Druid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:39:00 - [34] I just want CYVOK hopes remember who started the POS wars. We were just having fun, and you had to go get all serious. You want it serious, you've got it serious. Sucks to be you guys. -Calandra
DoctorGonzo Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:40:00 - [35] Originally by: Aeleva The bob propaganda begins :) shall wait to see how things turn out. Word! And respect to ASCN for bringing it, although I wished you'd would hurry up and bring it agin tonight - you do have 200+ pilots in the surrounding systems! Anyway - we have been asking for someone to bring it properly to us for 2 years now and finally some one has, long may it continue! Get Your BoB Protection Kit Here
Astasia Orian Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:40:00 - [36] Since I think gaming should be a gentlemanly pursuit, I'm going to volunteer some tips for the future, in the hope that next time will be more sporting. Put guns on the pos Put hardeners on the pos Otherwise they just sit there and look pretty. Unfortunately since you used Minmatar towers, you didn't even get to do that. Let the fun continue!
Krystian Caldari No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:40:00 - [37] BTW the forum warrior sputtering is priceless.
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:40:00 - [38] Awwww, are you guys gonna wait until you can sneak back out wuth the tails between your legs ? Our space. Our stations. Our pleasure or relieving you off your POS's and Ships today. BobÖ Goon Swatter - Eliminates Every Goon
OzaLoni Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:40:00 - [39] Originally by: Krystian Good job ASCN for being the first (or first in a long while) to lay siege to BoB space. Hahaha... It helps to actually online the pos you put up in a hostile system. That is usually a good starter for 10
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:40:00 - [40] Originally by: Aeleva The bob propaganda begins :) shall wait to see how things turn out. I will certainly give htem props for the attempt, but as they themselves are aware it was a botch job of pretty harsh proportions. 13 large pos deployed, 6 left without fuel and just anchored, 7 WITH fuel but no guns... ASCN, props for the attempt, we trust you'll learn from your mistakes and improve for the next attempt, though this evening has turned out to be an anti-climax the last few days have been alot of fun.

Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:41:00 - [41] Edited by: Sir JoJo on 06/10/2006 21:43:37 Originally by: Krystian Good job ASCN for being the first (or first in a long while) to lay siege to BoB space. Siege. hmm not sure all ppl have the same opinion on how a siege would look like. it maybe started as the shortest siege ever but sure aint anything like it anymore. snip Don't be nasty [email protected] to discuss mod - Cathath i am not nasty
HordeZla Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:41:00 - [42] Originally by: Krystian Good job ASCN for being the first (or first in a long while) to lay siege to BoB space. LOL, since when has giving free loot a seige? think the tpar gate is broken as noone seems to be able to use it tonight???? loads waiting there but the dam thing just wont open.
JINX HSC Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:44:00 - [43] Singing: chavs is in the air.......hips dont lies..
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:47:00 - [44] Actually, please don't jump, we will get you all tomorrow 1by1 --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:47:00 - [45] Originally by: Louisa Torres [ 13 large pos deployed, 6 left without fuel and just anchored, 7 WITH fuel but no guns... ASCN, props for the attempt, we trust you'll learn from your mistakes and improve for the next attempt, though this evening has turned out to be an anti-climax the last few days have been alot of fun. Well, lately they become a bit rusty...so they need to warm up a bit Discussing moderation in your signature is bad. Don't do it- Tirg Imperial Academy is currently recruiting Paragol Soul residents
RaYmEn Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:49:00 - [46] bob spammers on the way....
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:50:00 - [47] Hope we do get a fight today, and the nod stays alive fingers crossed Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
Droewa Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:50:00 - [48] well, well...
Cinnander Celestial Fleet	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:52:00 - [49] Edited by: Cinnander on 06/10/2006 21:54:13 MODS: I know my corp is invisible, i'll add it right after i post this Originally by: "some bob guy on page 1" And respect to ASCN for bringing it, although I wished you'd would hurry up and bring it agin tonight - you do have 200+ pilots in the surrounding systems! Rather unfortuantely, when we jumped last, pretty much everyone E-Warped off to 1GM from gate, then when we tried to warp teh fleet across a system.... nothing happened. For around 6 minutes, so we all relog, and once we finally get the gang reformed, bugged, disbanded, reformed, assembled, moved, and so on ... we get to the current time. Are you guys suffering in TPAR? I guess you must be shooting posses or something? We've had BoB as targets for a week (ish) now? And so far due to lag and maneuvering etc I've had you on my overview for like 5 minutes :( -x- Faction gang mods, you say?
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:53:00 - [50] Originally by: Cinnander MODS: I know my corp is invisible, i'll add it right after i post this Originally by: "some bob guy on page 1" And respect to ASCN for bringing it, although I wished you'd would hurry up and bring it agin tonight - you do have 200+ pilots in the surrounding systems! Rather unfortuantely, when we jumped last, pretty much everyone E-Warped off to 1GM from gate, then when we tried to warp teh fleet across a system.... nothing happened. For around 6 minutes, so we all relog, and once we finally get the gang reformed, bugged, disbanded, reformed, assembled, moved, and so on ... we get to the current time. Are you guys suffering in TPAR? I guess you must be shooting posses or something? Deploying drones, anyone --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.

Janus Drake The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:53:00 - [51] 30 of 35 posts, replys of Bob, do you not have an own forum?
Reite Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:54:00 - [52] 2 posts of Dusk and Dawn whining about BoB posting in a thread which actually concern us. Hmm, i wonder whats wrong here ^^
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:54:00 - [53] Originally by: Janus Drake 30 of 35 posts, replys of Bob, do you not have an own forum? Yes, click me.
AvanCade Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:55:00 - [54] Originally by: Janus Drake 30 of 35 posts, replys of Bob, do you not have an own forum? And how does this effect you and where does it pain?
Demitrus Buttered On The Wrong Side	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:57:00 - [55] 30 of 36 now? T0AST - Wrecking statistics since 1997
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.06 22:03:00 - [56] Sounds like the weekend is getting off to an interesting start. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
slave111 Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.06 22:07:00 - [57] Alt post removed - post with your main! If this is your main, see the rules for details on how to stop your posts getting removed - Serathu ([email protected]) ------------------------------------------------ Minority report:Father Tommaso Caccini denounced Galileo's opinions on the motion of the Earth, judging them dangerous and close to heresy
Admiral Kladdkaka	Posted - 2006.10.06 22:09:00 - [58] You may not post in this forum without showing your corporation/alliance identifiers, as detailed in the rules - Serathu ([email protected])
Bannion Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.10.06 22:13:00 - [59] WoW, I thought I logged into BOB's forums by mistake Quote: Kinsy - "BoB change positions more often than Rocco Sifredi."
AvanCade Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 22:14:00 - [60] Edited by: AvanCade on 06/10/2006 22:14:39 Originally by: Bannion WoW, I thought I logged into BOB's forums by mistake We are camping everything i tell yeah LOCKDOWN LADS!!!!!!!

Hey You Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.06 22:17:00 - [61] Originally by: TURBOman Hope we do get a fight today, and the nod stays alive fingers crossed aparently not -.- To fall in love and fall in debt To alcohol and cigarettes and Mary Jane To keep me insane and doing someone else's cocain
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 22:20:00 - [62] node dead
Trishtan DeMore Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2006.10.06 22:23:00 - [63] The BoBs are soo full of themselves, that the solarsystem hat to expand too much and the node exploded. Damn This!
ceaon Gallente Porandor	Posted - 2006.10.06 22:25:00 - [64] anyone get sshots movie ? thx kill alt post thx
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.06 22:25:00 - [65] Originally by: Avernus Sounds like the weekend is getting off to an interesting start. ORLY? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
HordeZla Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 22:27:00 - [66] Edited by: HordeZla on 06/10/2006 22:27:36 Originally by: Trishtan DeMore The BoBs are soo full of themselves, that the solarsystem hat to expand too much and the node exploded. Damn This! Get a main then your points will be ignored like every other no-body.
wizzard66 Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 22:29:00 - [67] Originally by: ceaon anyone get sshots movie ? thx Nope only scotch movies JW 4tw
BlackSabbath Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.06 22:31:00 - [68] and they said the shoe will never fit in to the hive. bzzzz bzzzz bzzzz bzzzz bzz ================================ "i am only here to **** you off"
Ty'derian ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.10.06 22:34:00 - [69] Originally by: Janus Drake 30 of 35 posts, replys of Bob, do you not have an own forum? best post here :-)
Drachenlord Amarr VentureCorp CORE.	Posted - 2006.10.06 22:43:00 - [70] Originally by: Dr Einkeisel node dead I can tell... my Buddy list keeps going mental and spamming me with log ons and log offs..... CCP, redirect Jita's power to TPAR-G!!! -------------------------------------------------

Lightof God Caldari Arcana Imperii Ltd.	Posted - 2006.10.06 22:45:00 - [71] ASCN please put and end to the arrogance of BoB. Suck it up and hire the dreaded "Red Allience POS siege warfare specialists". Other then that my corp might be doing the shootie shootie thing with you still idk i havent been in game for a long time. But GL HF ASCN and whip it good :)
Bosie	Posted - 2006.10.06 22:46:00 - [72] Page 1 post count: 30 posts 25 BOB 1 ISD 4 Other roflcopter Bosie. "There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND." ...Winston
Altar Mei Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.10.06 22:47:00 - [73] Originally by: SirMolle We will not enter into a POS spamming war. We will however, make you pay dearly for each and every POS you try and set up. Count your losses, multiply that with the number of POS, and you might get an idea. Tick Tock. Are you expecting them to go broke? I still find it curious that you chose to engage a fat carebear alliance as opposed to some of the other more pvp orientated ones. Oh wait.. that's pretty much your MO isnÆt it.
SkottE SkottE Technologies	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:01:00 - [74] Originally by: Bosie Page 1 post count: 30 posts 25 BOB 1 ISD 4 Other roflcopter Bosie. was thinking the same thing lol _________________________________________ Want to build Tech2 equipment and ships? Take a look here to find out!
Coupo Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:06:00 - [75] Why does everything happen when im away on business.. I Shoot first, ask questions about your veldspar mining technique later
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:10:00 - [76] Utter comedy in TPAR at the moment Eve Blacklight Style
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:18:00 - [77] Originally by: Coupo Why does everything happen when im away on business.. Coupo, leave them hoes alone. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:18:00 - [78] We helped them jump to TPAR. Dont wanna hear anymore stories about BoB is not helpfull alliance Discussing moderation in your signature is bad. Don't do it- Tirg Imperial Academy is currently recruiting Paragol Soul residents
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:21:00 - [79] oooh... well its been a long long time, and I mean a really long time since Tpar-G has seen any decent action... first off kudos to ASCN for bringing the fight to BoB, I am genuinely surprised by this development... Even if you don't achieve your objective it does show some "co-j-ones". May this be the catalyser for augmentation of this conflict.....and may war of a scale not seen before envelop the south, for it is long overdue.
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:28:00 - [80] lol, surprising move to be sure, have fun =) ------------------ Save Deimos!

DETOVI Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:31:00 - [81] Ok CCCP, try removing some of BoB's useless posts as well... mine was no different. Bed buddies 4tl. .
Wesley Walker Hedion University	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:33:00 - [82] Originally by: Blacklight Utter comedy in TPAR at the moment I agree mate. Which bit do you think is the funniest? Is it: (a) The way that the game is so lagged that when you do not even have hostiles in the system you still need to relog because nothing can be activated and when you gang warp you land on the target gate but nothing in your overview has changed? (b) The way that the nodes crash all the time leaving you with a 40 minute wait to get back into the game? (c) The way that following a crash you get to spend 30-40 minutes reforming the gang with dozens of people being bugged so you cannot gang them without swapping lead around a few times and having them relog? (d)The way that when you do get back into game instead of being at the SS you were in when you crashed you are now sat on a gate held by hostiles so you get insta-ganked before the screen even loads? Or (e) All of the above?
Horza Otho Minmatar Silver Star Federation	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:34:00 - [83] ownt :)
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:37:00 - [84] Originally by: Wesley Walker Originally by: Blacklight Utter comedy in TPAR at the moment I agree mate. Which bit do you think is the funniest? Is it: (a) The way that the game is so lagged that when you do not even have hostiles in the system you still need to relog because nothing can be activated and when you gang warp you land on the target gate but nothing in your overview has changed? (b) The way that the nodes crash all the time leaving you with a 40 minute wait to get back into the game? (c) The way that following a crash you get to spend 30-40 minutes reforming the gang with dozens of people being bugged so you cannot gang them without swapping lead around a few times and having them relog? (d)The way that when you do get back into game instead of being at the SS you were in when you crashed you are now sat on a gate held by hostiles so you get insta-ganked before the screen even loads? Or (e) All of the above? Stop babbling, we play on same server. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:38:00 - [85] Gotta give credit where it is due. ASCN, not many alliances can make our KB crash. At the rate we going we may need a ramsan... Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:46:00 - [86] ASCN kills killed our killboard! hehehe try saying that 10 times! >>> EvE Online Wallpapers <<<
ElCoCo Gallente KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:46:00 - [87] O.o How can it go sooo bad as it looks? C'mon guys, go for 70!
AvanCade Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:49:00 - [88] Everything aside chaps ASCN props for bringing it, much respect.
Caldari9876	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:49:00 - [89] Alt post removed - post with your main! If this is your main, see the rules for details on how to stop your posts getting removed - Serathu ([email protected])
Wesley Walker Hedion University	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:49:00 - [90] Alt post removed - post with your main! If this is your main, see the rules for details on how to stop your posts getting removed - Serathu ([email protected])

Wesley Walker Hedion University	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:51:00 - [91] Alt post removed - post with your main! If this is your main, see the rules for details on how to stop your posts getting removed - Serathu ([email protected])
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:51:00 - [92] You've used the jump in lag aginst us in every fight that happened before this one in this war, so why whine, we even made you jump into us Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
ElanMorin6 Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:52:00 - [93] Damn, they've stumbled upon our master plan! Quote: You see, killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down. PS: sorry about the alt post, forum can't seem to remember what "default" means
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:54:00 - [94] Originally by: ElCoCo O.o How can it go sooo bad as it looks? C'mon guys, go for 70! 73 atm... --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Karnov Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:56:00 - [95] Originally by: Wesley Walker Alt post removed - post with your main! If this is your main, see the rules for details on how to stop your posts getting removed - Serathu ([email protected]) Jumping into a camp and logging off isn't being at a safe, the fight didnt have a node crash they all happened before the fighting.
Discodude Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:57:00 - [96] Originally by: Altar Mei Originally by: SirMolle We will not enter into a POS spamming war. We will however, make you pay dearly for each and every POS you try and set up. Count your losses, multiply that with the number of POS, and you might get an idea. Tick Tock. Are you expecting them to go broke? I still find it curious that you chose to engage a fat carebear alliance as opposed to some of the other more pvp orientated ones. Oh wait.. that's pretty much your MO isnÆt it. All I got to say is we don't need them to go broke, just look at xetic. Oh and I guess G alliance wasn't a pvp alliance...right? Because BoB never went to war with G alliance lol
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:58:00 - [97] if that was supposed to be the attack of the walking trees on saurons stronghold (tpar-g) its safe to say that this time saurons urukhai had flamethrowers and chainsaws ready...
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.07 00:02:00 - [98] Edited by: Nez Perces on 07/10/2006 00:02:53 I just had a look at the BoB killboards... 73 ASCN BS kills so far and no BoB kills... wtf? I don't care what the state of the servers is, thats just insane. Kudos for bringing the fight to BoB but 73 to 0? Man.. not even the turkeyshoots against CFS were that bad. You simply cannot expect to stand up to BoB with that kind of ratio, irrespective of your industrial potential. What are you guys playing at?
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 00:03:00 - [99] Originally by: Kcel Chim if that was supposed to be the attack of the walking trees on saurons stronghold (tpar-g) its safe to say that this time saurons urukhai had flamethrowers and chainsaws ready... Try Mini-Chainguns and RPGS! >>> EvE Online Wallpapers <<<
Endeva Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 00:04:00 - [100] Edited by: Endeva on 07/10/2006 00:05:09

Eskalin Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 00:11:00 - [101] Originally by: Trishtan DeMore The BoBs are soo full of themselves, that the solarsystem hat to expand too much and the node exploded. Damn This! i guess when you suck this hard it is easy to be envious
Droewa Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.07 00:13:00 - [102] the think about fighting BOB is they know how to take every advantage of a fight. and they do so without the use of exploits. If your going to go take on BOB in their space you should be prepared to do so. judging by the KB and the rumors of log offs you are not.
Ysabelle nKataros Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 00:19:00 - [103] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 07/10/2006 00:02:53 I just had a look at the BoB killboards... 73 ASCN BS kills so far and no BoB kills... wtf? I believe we lost a few frigates... BoB: When we have fleet battles, our killboard crashes
DoctorGonzo Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 00:20:00 - [104] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 07/10/2006 00:02:53 I just had a look at the BoB killboards... 73 ASCN BS kills so far and no BoB kills... wtf? I don't care what the state of the servers is, thats just insane. Kudos for bringing the fight to BoB but 73 to 0? Man.. not even the turkeyshoots against CFS were that bad. You simply cannot expect to stand up to BoB with that kind of ratio, irrespective of your industrial potential. What are you guys playing at? During the day, they (ASCN) were pretty much out played (46-0) in several small engagements, lone ganks etc. Then this evening, about 15 minutes after the node crashed, we jumped our support fleet into most of their fleet (which was hugging the TPAR gate in TCAG). They then jumped their fleet of about 30 Battleships through the gate (no idea why) and into our bubble camp, which had 80 Battleships - the slaughter began. Get Your BoB Protection Kit Here
ph33rf4ct0ry Minmatar Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2006.10.07 00:24:00 - [105] Some one should make a movie about today and call it: "The assbeating of a lifetime" Member of the POST WITH YOUR MAIN SOCIETY
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.07 00:25:00 - [106] Originally by: Ysabelle nKataros I believe we lost a few frigates... yeah.. I saw, I meant no BoB BS lost... Anyways.. I hope ASCN can get their act together, or it will be a pretty short war... as wars go...and that would be a shame.
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2006.10.07 00:26:00 - [107] Originally by: DoctorGonzo They then jumped their fleet of about 30 Battleships through the gate (no idea why) and into our bubble camp, which had 80 Battleships - the slaughter began. Ouch....FC anywhere or was he just....somewhere else?? --
El Alamein Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 00:26:00 - [108] Originally by: DoctorGonzo Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 07/10/2006 00:02:53 I just had a look at the BoB killboards... 73 ASCN BS kills so far and no BoB kills... wtf? I don't care what the state of the servers is, thats just insane. Kudos for bringing the fight to BoB but 73 to 0? Man.. not even the turkeyshoots against CFS were that bad. You simply cannot expect to stand up to BoB with that kind of ratio, irrespective of your industrial potential. What are you guys playing at? During the day, they (ASCN) were pretty much out played (46-0) in several small engagements, lone ganks etc. Then this evening, about 15 minutes after the node crashed, we jumped our support fleet into most of their fleet (which was hugging the TPAR gate in TCAG). They then jumped their fleet of about 30 Battleships through the gate (no idea why) and into our bubble camp, which had 80 Battleships - the slaughter began. my fraps footage confirm this summary. -----------------------------------
Schneiderr Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.07 00:28:00 - [109] sounds you people had a pretty cool fight in TPAR, hope it was good fun except for the node problems. but you may want to ask fisho about his BS loss today in Stain which makes it [75 battleships destroyed] [1 battleships lost] at the current time, not that this counts much, but makes the stats looking better
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 00:33:00 - [110] Originally by: Nez Perces 73 ASCN BS kills so far and no BoB kills... wtf? 75 Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-

Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.07 00:41:00 - [111] Originally by: DoctorGonzo Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 07/10/2006 00:02:53 I just had a look at the BoB killboards... 73 ASCN BS kills so far and no BoB kills... wtf? I don't care what the state of the servers is, thats just insane. Kudos for bringing the fight to BoB but 73 to 0? Man.. not even the turkeyshoots against CFS were that bad. You simply cannot expect to stand up to BoB with that kind of ratio, irrespective of your industrial potential. What are you guys playing at? During the day, they (ASCN) were pretty much out played (46-0) in several small engagements, lone ganks etc. Then this evening, about 15 minutes after the node crashed, we jumped our support fleet into most of their fleet (which was hugging the TPAR gate in TCAG). They then jumped their fleet of about 30 Battleships through the gate (no idea why) and into our bubble camp, which had 80 Battleships - the slaughter began. Their FC probably thought the entire fleet is jumping in, and they thought its opportunity to get in and avoid the camp.. simple mistake ------------------ Save Deimos!
mishkof Caldari Emerald Empire	Posted - 2006.10.07 00:46:00 - [112] Jesus. I tried to read the thread....I would think that BOB would have their own dating service for each other. Can dominate Eve but cannot put up a forum where they can share they muttering between themselves. I never ever thought I would say this...but go ASCN.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 00:51:00 - [113] Originally by: mishkof Edited by: mishkof on 07/10/2006 00:46:18 Jesus. I tried to read the thread, first page that is....I would think that BOB would have their own dating service for each other. Can dominate Eve but cannot put up a forum where they can share their muttering between themselves. I never ever thought I would say this...but go ASCN. Cool. Eve Blacklight Style
Antaris Xenal Gallente adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.07 00:53:00 - [114] Okay I did not read this entire thread but WTF IS WITH BOB ALWAYS POSTING ABOUT EVERY BATTLE THEY WIN!?!!?! Get over it! IT's just a game for pete's sake! BoB forumsquad go to **** imho And sorry about caps. (My views do not always reflect those of my corporation or LV)
Lord Stone Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 00:53:00 - [115] Originally by: mishkof Edited by: mishkof on 07/10/2006 00:46:18 Jesus. I tried to read the thread, first page that is....I would think that BOB would have their own dating service for each other. Can dominate Eve but cannot put up a forum where they can share their muttering between themselves. I never ever thought I would say this...but go ASCN. You're stupid.
Lord Stone Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 00:56:00 - [116] Originally by: Antaris Xenal Okay I did not read this entire thread but WTF IS WITH BOB ALWAYS POSTING ABOUT EVERY BATTLE THEY WIN!?!!?! Get over it! IT's just a game for pete's sake! BoB forumsquad go to **** imho And sorry about caps. (My views do not always reflect those of my corporation or LV) The sheer amount of question and exclamation marks in your post make it look a lot more intellectual then it is.
Altar Mei Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:02:00 - [117] Originally by: Discodude All I got to say is we don't need them to go broke, just look at xetic. Oh and I guess G alliance wasn't a pvp alliance...right? Because BoB never went to war with G alliance lol I hope your not talking about the siege of EC because if I recall correctly it was bob and about 500 other people including ASCN. Perhaps your referring to the little "road trip" bob took to IRON space...umh no. I don't care if you and ASCN burn each other to the ground, just expressing my disappointment with your choice to engage what is clearly a less experienced and industry based alliance. Out of all the choices you chose the alliance that could field the most ships but is clearly inferior in tactics and leadership (no offense hobbits). Why not LV or D2? Some people seem to think this is going to be a GNW down south, and I hope for entertainment purposes it is. GL to all.
Antaris Xenal Gallente adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:03:00 - [118] Originally by: Lord Stone Originally by: Antaris Xenal Okay I did not read this entire thread but WTF IS WITH BOB ALWAYS POSTING ABOUT EVERY BATTLE THEY WIN!?!!?! Get over it! IT's just a game for pete's sake! BoB forumsquad go to **** imho And sorry about caps. (My views do not always reflect those of my corporation or LV) The sheer amount of question and exclamation marks in your post make it look a lot more intellectual then it is. It doesn't need to be intelectual, I hope you know that everyone who isn't a BoB fanboi would rather see ASCN own you guys, sadly ASCN Has not been doing very well, it sounds like they just need better FC's But tbh you guys just seriously need to stop posting about everysingle win you get geeze, you could take out a shuttle and need to make a forum post about it! (well not really but heh)
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:04:00 - [119] Originally by: Antaris Xenal Okay I did not read this entire thread but WTF IS WITH BOB ALWAYS POSTING ABOUT EVERY BATTLE THEY WIN!?!!?! Get over it! IT's just a game for pete's sake! BoB forumsquad go to **** imho And sorry about caps. (My views do not always reflect those of my corporation or LV) Actualy if u did some research u might have noticed that the post was up before the fight happened, so no it's not about the fight being won it's about ASCN's siege of TPAR Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
Antaris Xenal Gallente adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:05:00 - [120] Originally by: TURBOman Originally by: Antaris Xenal Okay I did not read this entire thread but WTF IS WITH BOB ALWAYS POSTING ABOUT EVERY BATTLE THEY WIN!?!!?! Get over it! IT's just a game for pete's sake! BoB forumsquad go to **** imho And sorry about caps. (My views do not always reflect those of my corporation or LV) Actualy if u did some research u might have noticed that the post was up before the fight happened, so no it's not about the fight being won it's about ASCN's siege of TPAR What are you talking about?? This thread was made after the fight..... You guys are confoosing me!

TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:06:00 - [121] Originally by: Antaris Xenal What are you talking about?? This thread was made after the fight..... You guys are confoosing me! Yeh, noticed u get confused easy Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
Antaris Xenal Gallente adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:07:00 - [122] Originally by: TURBOman Originally by: Antaris Xenal What are you talking about?? This thread was made after the fight..... You guys are confoosing me! Yeh, noticed u get confused easy Heh, It confuses anyone who is actually taking what BoB says as truth though. You said something that was completely wrong, YOU are the one who is confused and can only reply with idiotic comments.
Lord Stone Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:07:00 - [123] Edited by: Lord Stone on 07/10/2006 01:07:58 Originally by: Antaris Xenal Bla Bla Bla We just decimated an ASCN fleet, we posted about their total lack of following through on what was essentially a good initaitive. Some of our guys, high on a killing spree posted a bit freely on the first page. Also, we really don't care who the EVE society is siding with. It's not like you're actually coming to help ASCN. You're just wishing them to win REALLY hard, and that always wins battles. Edited due to drunkeness
Seldarine Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:08:00 - [124] Quote: What are you talking about?? This thread was made after the fight..... You guys are confoosing me! No actually it was made quite abit before the fight. The only reason so many bob posted was that this thread link was posted in local after it was made, and we had been sitting for over 4 hours waiting on something to happen and boredom was high. but you anti-bob fanbois seize any reason u can for a flame fest. ______________________________ ______________________________ Seldarine
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:11:00 - [125] Originally by: Antaris Xenal Originally by: TURBOman Originally by: Antaris Xenal What are you talking about?? This thread was made after the fight..... You guys are confoosing me! Yeh, noticed u get confused easy Heh, It confuses anyone who is actually taking what BoB says as truth though. You said something that was completely wrong, YOU are the one who is confused and can only reply with idiotic comments. Please unplug your keyboard or engage brain. Thank you. >>> EvE Online Wallpapers <<<
Antaris Xenal Gallente adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:11:00 - [126] Okay, can someone who is NOT BOB please confirm that this thread was somehow made by a PSYCHIC SirMolle? Because from what I can tell and what I have been reading he made the OP AFTER The "Siege" Or did BoB just decide he posted before the siege.
Lord Stone Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:13:00 - [127] Originally by: Antaris Xenal Okay, can someone who is NOT BOB please confirm that this thread was somehow made by a PSYCHIC SirMolle? Because from what I can tell and what I have been reading he made the OP AFTER The "Siege" Or did BoB just decide he posted before the siege. Original post made at 2006.10.06 21:31:00. First kill in main battle - 22:35 You can look on first page of thread and bob killboard for verification
Antaris Xenal Gallente adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:13:00 - [128] No
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:14:00 - [129] Originally by: Antaris Xenal Okay, can someone who is NOT BOB please confirm that this thread was somehow made by a PSYCHIC SirMolle? Because from what I can tell and what I have been reading he made the OP AFTER The "Siege" Or did BoB just decide he posted before the siege. You mate are hilarious So, if someone not bob confirms you will drop all your conclusions and agree with him even tho it was bob who was in this fight and not someone else Bob must have done something terribly wrong to you when you were young Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
Seldarine Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:14:00 - [130] Quote: Okay, can someone who is NOT BOB please confirm that this thread was somehow made by a PSYCHIC SirMolle? Because from what I can tell and what I have been reading he made the OP AFTER The "Siege" Or did BoB just decide he posted before the siege. Your getting confused with the seige and the fight. The fight which msot ppl refer to is when ascn jumped in on us with aprox 30bs and warped their insystem fleet to the tcag gate. The actual so called siege would have happened beforee downtime when they came with 130 battleships and put up 13 large POS. ______________________________ ______________________________ Seldarine

Antaris Xenal Gallente adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:15:00 - [131] Originally by: Lord Stone Originally by: Antaris Xenal Okay, can someone who is NOT BOB please confirm that this thread was somehow made by a PSYCHIC SirMolle? Because from what I can tell and what I have been reading he made the OP AFTER The "Siege" Or did BoB just decide he posted before the siege. Original post made at 2006.10.06 21:31:00. First kill in main battle - 22:35 You can look on first page of thread and bob killboard for verification Okay then, Just so everyone knows, SirMolle is psychic! So tell me, is ASCN going to lose the titan during this "War"?
Antaris Xenal Gallente adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:17:00 - [132] Originally by: TURBOman Originally by: Antaris Xenal Okay, can someone who is NOT BOB please confirm that this thread was somehow made by a PSYCHIC SirMolle? Because from what I can tell and what I have been reading he made the OP AFTER The "Siege" Or did BoB just decide he posted before the siege. You mate are hilarious So, if someone not bob confirms you will drop all your conclusions and agree with him even tho it was bob who was in this fight and not someone else Bob must have done something terribly wrong to you when you were young Yes. SirMolle touched me :( And yes I think I am finnally understanding whats going on here.
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:18:00 - [133] all things aside.. much respect to ASCN for bringing where no one else did.. But that just goes to show you ALL what happens. This war has just begun and its soooo much more fun than any other one recently.. --------------------------------------------- Maybe we will win the war by getting every bob pilot banned from eve maybe.:/ --thebold
Antaris Xenal Gallente adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:19:00 - [134] Originally by: Lord StoneAbout as fast as you've lost your dignity.[/quote Ah I have no dignity :) I am the loser of every corp i've been in tbh. And I am tired of talking with BoB Now, im done posting :) I know, it makes you all happy :D
Lord Stone Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:22:00 - [135] Originally by: Antaris Xenal Ah I have no dignity :) I am the loser of every corp i've been in tbh. And I am tired of talking with BoB Now, im done posting :) I know, it makes you all happy :D IT'S PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME!
mishkof Caldari Emerald Empire	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:23:00 - [136] Originally by: Lord Stone Originally by: mishkof Edited by: mishkof on 07/10/2006 00:46:18 Jesus. I tried to read the thread, first page that is....I would think that BOB would have their own dating service for each other. Can dominate Eve but cannot put up a forum where they can share their muttering between themselves. I never ever thought I would say this...but go ASCN. You're stupid. Good one...Guess you have to keep that post count high with your 2 word rebuttals You're a nerd.
Lord Stone Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:25:00 - [137] Originally by: mishkof Originally by: Lord Stone Originally by: mishkof Edited by: mishkof on 07/10/2006 00:46:18 Jesus. I tried to read the thread, first page that is....I would think that BOB would have their own dating service for each other. Can dominate Eve but cannot put up a forum where they can share their muttering between themselves. I never ever thought I would say this...but go ASCN. You're stupid. And your father smells of elderberries. What's your point? Good one...Guess you have to keep that post count high with your 2 word rebuttals You're a nerd.
Lord Stone Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:25:00 - [138] Originally by: Lord Stone Originally by: mishkof Originally by: Lord Stone Originally by: mishkof Edited by: mishkof on 07/10/2006 00:46:18 Jesus. I tried to read the thread, first page that is....I would think that BOB would have their own dating service for each other. Can dominate Eve but cannot put up a forum where they can share their muttering between themselves. I never ever thought I would say this...but go ASCN. You're stupid. Good one...Guess you have to keep that post count high with your 2 word rebuttals You're a nerd. And your father smells of elderberries. What's your point? Edit due to drunkeneessesss
Blooded Heromy Evolution	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:26:00 - [139] Originally by: Lord Stone Originally by: Antaris Xenal Originally by: Lord Stone Originally by: Antaris Xenal Okay, can someone who is NOT BOB please confirm that this thread was somehow made by a PSYCHIC SirMolle? Because from what I can tell and what I have been reading he made the OP AFTER The "Siege" Or did BoB just decide he posted before the siege. Original post made at 2006.10.06 21:31:00. First kill in main battle - 22:35 You can look on first page of thread and bob killboard for verification Okay then, Just so everyone knows, SirMolle is psychic! So tell me, is ASCN going to lose the titan during this "War"? About as fast as you've lost your dignity. R O F L
Dortock The Scarlet Harmonic	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:29:00 - [140] Respect ASCN/AXE, nuff said. King Tinfoil Hatter

Kazim The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:46:00 - [141] Props for ascn for doing this. Hey even if it was a turkey shoot, at least they relieved some pressure of their core systems? right?
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:57:00 - [142] Originally by: Josiah Bartlet Originally by: SirMolle Thankfully, the servers have been behaving all day, without node crashes, apart from the individual ones that seem to occure everytime we see a ASCN pod. ROFL That is the best line yet, because it is so so true. Yeah and when people say crap like that about BoB its 5 pages of "OMG TIN FOILS HATZ" ----------------- Victory or death! ... knitting is also an option.
Dortock The Scarlet Harmonic	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:57:00 - [143] Originally by: Kazim Props for ascn for doing this. Hey even if it was a turkey shoot, at least they relieved some pressure of their core systems? right? When it comes down to it - carebears, t2 producers, miners w/e, ASCN/AXE members got balls of steel with a diamond coating. Improve your experience, get some skills, go kick serious ass. And although this thread should be about thanking ASCN/AXE for bringing the fight on BoB turf, good job BoB on the swift defence. King Tinfoil Hatter
Dortock The Scarlet Harmonic	Posted - 2006.10.07 02:11:00 - [144] Originally by: Plim ROFL That is the best line yet, because it is so so true. Yeah and when people say crap like that about BoB its 5 pages of "OMG TIN FOILS HATZ" Someone say tinfoil? King Tinfoil Hatter
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.10.07 02:17:00 - [145] Originally by: Dortock Originally by: Plim ROFL That is the best line yet, because it is so so true. Yeah and when people say crap like that about BoB its 5 pages of "OMG TIN FOILS HATZ" Someone say tinfoil? Do you do batch deals? :o ----------------- Victory or death! ... knitting is also an option.
Malicious Wraith The Dark Side of the Moon	Posted - 2006.10.07 02:29:00 - [146] I like these updates about the battles, its the only way for the casual onlooker to get any decent idea on the happenings in the south. And cheers to ASCN for keeping your members almost all tight lipped. ----------------------------------------
Karunel Nuevos Horizontes O X I D E	Posted - 2006.10.07 03:04:00 - [147] Good thing about firday night posts is the amout of people you can tell are drunk by the resposes. Sucj as me of course. Yaaarrr battles and stuff. But, frankly, 75 to 0? That's a bit "weee", no matter the angle you loo kat it.
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.07 03:07:00 - [148] I demand more BOB replys, its been 8 since BOBs last CEO - Art of War
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.07 03:07:00 - [149] Pages full of continuous BoB posts are ridiculous IMHO. Take your pills gents And, just in case you didn't notice so far (but you will soon), losses are 100% irrelevant for ASCN. You just don't match their industrial backbone. It seems they are on the offensive, things might get interesting soon. Oh, and you can't avoid the POS wars for the simple reason that it's how CCP designed their game and it will only get worse. If you want to get rid of the hobbits, you better blow their holes up very fast. Or just pretend it was roadtrip when you get back to Fountain, if Foutain is still yours at that time, of course. hmm sorry, just a bit angry at the spam, never mind ____________________ Darko1107 > does anything in ascn space have tech II fittings? Quillan Rage > Iron ships
Koronos Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.07 03:22:00 - [150] Originally by: Kcel Chim if that was supposed to be the attack of the walking trees on saurons stronghold (tpar-g) its safe to say that this time saurons urukhai had flamethrowers and chainsaws ready... Apologies to all for being a tool and derailing, but I'm forced to point out that you mean Saruman. The Ents attack Isengard, Saruman's stronghold, not Barad-Dur, Sauron's. Again, sorry. Koronos

Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.07 03:23:00 - [151] Darn. A great effect would be molle posting and no BOB answering to the post. but that's just a dream. it's 4am here i'm omw to work on a saturday. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 03:27:00 - [152] Originally by: Omeega Darn. A great effect would be molle posting and no BOB answering to the post. but that's just a dream. it's 4am here i'm omw to work on a saturday. have fun at work.. why dont you accept us for who we are.. we are fine iwth it.. --------------------------------------------- Maybe we will win the war by getting every bob pilot banned from eve maybe.:/ --thebold
vile56	Posted - 2006.10.07 03:55:00 - [153] You may not post in this forum without showing your corporation/alliance identifiers, as detailed in the rules - Serathu ([email protected])
HC MasiEEE V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.10.07 04:08:00 - [154] Well have fun guys Would be neat too shoot Xetic reborn ________________________ HC MasiEEE - V I R I I
Monarch Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.07 04:49:00 - [155] Originally by: Omeega Darn. A great effect would be molle posting and no BOB answering to the post. but that's just a dream. it's 4am here i'm omw to work on a saturday. Cuse all your dreams are perfect
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 05:11:00 - [156] Going to try and keep this short and to the point with just as many facts as I know. 1) On Thursday night late ASCN started a push on TPAR-G. This included moving a large number of capital ships to TCAG. 2) ASCN setup approximately 13 POS inside TPAR 3) Eve game day Friday ASCN and BoB forces fought several battles in TPAR, G-M4K and TCAG. The result of that was BoB killing 164 ships of which 75 were battleships while losing 24 ships of which 0 were battleships. 4) As near as I can tell at approximately 22:45 GMT a BoB fleet of cruiser and frigate sized ships jumped into TCAG and a group of ASCN ships immediately cross-jumped into TPAR. A fight occurred in both systems between BoB and ASCN/AXE. 5) Two small BoB POS were put into reinforced. 6) The BoB capital fleet destroyed several offline ASCN POS and put a few others into reinforced. I don't have the count so can't verify numbers destroyed. That's about as non-inflammatory as anyone I think will get
Lungorthin Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 05:39:00 - [157] Edited by: Lungorthin on 07/10/2006 05:40:22 The truth and nothing but the truth* can be read here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=405694 *fictionalized propaganda, any similarity with real events is expressly intendet
Dao 2 Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.07 05:43:00 - [158] Originally by: Calandra Druid I just want CYVOK hopes remember who started the POS wars. We were just having fun, and you had to go get all serious. You want it serious, you've got it serious. Sucks to be you guys. -Calandra heh ;p what bs and u no it ^^ sure we put down the first pos but yall had every intention of taking over at least some of our space, stated a few times too ;p to everyone else TO GOOD FIGHTS OF THE FUTUERE! ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 06:05:00 - [159] Originally by: DoctorGonzo Then this evening, about 15 minutes after the node crashed, we jumped our support fleet into most of their fleet (which was hugging the TPAR gate in TCAG). They then jumped their fleet of about 30 Battleships through the gate (no idea why) and into our bubble camp, which had 80 Battleships - the slaughter began. Hah, Faramir would be creaming himself right now as that's the identical move he made in 6NJ against PA which led to the "PA LAST STAND movie". Twas a slaughter then too. 75 bs killed for no loss is double our previous best... looks like we are getting exactly what we wanted \o/ dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Torquemanda Corteaz Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.07 06:28:00 - [160] hats off 75-0 is a slaughter and a mighty good one at that. as some people have said, if it comes to a war of attrition ASCN has better odds BoB needs to a lot more aggressive imo but I ain't no commander, and certainly not a bob one keep having fun gentlemen, and lets keep this civilised?

Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.07 06:50:00 - [161] Originally by: Monarch Originally by: Omeega Darn. A great effect would be molle posting and no BOB answering to the post. but that's just a dream. it's 4am here i'm omw to work on a saturday. Cuse all your dreams are perfect what the Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 07:09:00 - [162] Originally by: Torquemanda Corteaz hats off 75-0 is a slaughter and a mighty good one at that. as some people have said, if it comes to a war of attrition ASCN has better odds BoB needs to a lot more aggressive imo but I ain't no commander, and certainly not a bob one keep having fun gentlemen, and lets keep this civilised? With current state of war developement attrition is very one sided thing. I must admit, i was short on antimatter and javelin yesterday after dt, though. But it's more matter of cargohold than logistics. Yesterdays story: 10-12gmt: some ganking around tpar, it was busy. 12-dt: reinforcements came from delve, support jumped into tpar and started killing whatever ascn/VI wasn't on safespots, poses, killed bubbles, battleships jumped in, killed more bubbles and more ascn(ratio in gang sizes was 30:70 at that time(ascn had 2x more)). Then ASCN decides they need reinforcements from GQ2, we decided to kill them on the way, they are forced to logoff like 10 bs on gate. dt-15: Login, jump(from TCAG in G-M), kill... very one sided slaughter, we killed more than we had in gang. After that it was cleanup of the area, preparing place for dreads. At that time, 1 pos was put in reinforced by battleships only, ascn didn't even try to respond. 15-20: dread action, boredom of bs pilots, but expectations were high. 20+: pwnage, though i didn't load 99% things, but it's usual for me. Also that's the reason i dislike huge fights and prefer smaller ones. Guns are warming up atm :P --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
wizzard66 Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 08:34:00 - [163] Awwww. I really do like the sight of carriers. -on our killboard that is :-) -
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 08:40:00 - [164] Final report for the day for all you 3rd parties: At approximately 05:55 GMT ASCN jumped a large fleet into TPAR. Approximately 160+ ASCN members were in TPAR. The BoB gang had 38 including support, local peaked at 210. BoB forces warped into the main ASCN fleet at range to pick off 1 - 4 ships at a time. Sometimes it worked for us, sometimes it didn't. ASCN then sieged an unhardened small POS and lost 2 carriers to the BoB fleet. One carrier was fitted with Core-X gear. One was fitted with an Improved Cloak II. Commentary: Considering we had only about 25 BS at our largest gang size during this fight and facing those numbers they had I think we did damn well. The small POS was lost along some battleships but ASCN lost two carriers plus some battleships. I'll take that trade to be honest.
DirtyHarry Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.07 08:41:00 - [165] 76:1 in BS on Friday, thats a new record for BoB if I remember correctly from the 60~ or so last year? Anyway, keep kicking ass, its gonna be a long en. Havocide - DirtyHarry
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 08:44:00 - [166] Edited by: Darcuese on 07/10/2006 08:45:30 Many advices how to fight certen entity by those that didnt manage to do it properly them self. Another thing is that more and more ppl start using crap tactic to avoid losses. Pathetic tbh. This is a game, and I thought ASCN had more ISK to bother about some BS losses ....this logofsky Virus is spreading to fast...we are all doomed You should have bought FC guys, not RA advisory Discussing moderation in your signature is bad. Don't do it- Tirg Imperial Academy is currently recruiting Paragol Soul residents
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 08:47:00 - [167] Edited by: LUKEC on 07/10/2006 08:48:14 edit: nm, it was same carrier. I bet they like to buy core stuff from us, though. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 08:51:00 - [168] Originally by: DirtyHarry 76:1 in BS on Friday, thats a new record for BoB if I remember correctly from the 60~ or so last year? Anyway, keep kicking ass, its gonna be a long en. It would have been if Fisho hadn't died ;) Unfortunately, the Easter hunt had more BS killed and during our Fix war we had a 33-0 which is still the highest BS killed in one day for no BS loss. Was damn close though :, dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Rennard Deniz Mahsulleri Ofisi	Posted - 2006.10.07 09:02:00 - [169] Just another BoB propaganda thread full of BoB messages and noone elses. Go to you own forum we don`t want to read your ****!
Commander Solo Caldari Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.07 09:05:00 - [170] Originally by: Rennard Just another BoB propaganda thread full of BoB messages and noone elses. Go to you own forum we don`t want to read your ****! Just another whiny little maggot alt post with balls like a knat, post on your main.

Rennard Deniz Mahsulleri Ofisi	Posted - 2006.10.07 09:13:00 - [171] This is my main. Before talking wiseass, check people`s history. I don`t want to see any more propaganda crap. This is not your private forums. If you gonna post something good for whole eve community, post it. Otherwise go back to your own forums.
djNME DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.07 09:13:00 - [172] Hey, Nice stats BoB, I'm a stats type of guy. It looks like everyone is having fun.Also seems that no matter the odds of survival people are willing to engage..kudos. DBP and others in BoB, I do find it ironic how you post stats of one battle or at all. When you criticize others with good numbers vs you when they post them? Making excuses or reasons they don't mean amything.Whats the difference? djNME
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 09:14:00 - [173] Originally by: Rennard Just another BoB propaganda thread full of BoB messages and noone elses. Go to you own forum we don`t want to read your ****! Obviously YOU DO. You actually cared enough to reply. It's not propaganda, go read my post above, it's summary of activities during yesterday. However you might not like content, as I don't have Iraq Information Ministry power. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Rennard Deniz Mahsulleri Ofisi	Posted - 2006.10.07 09:16:00 - [174] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Rennard Just another BoB propaganda thread full of BoB messages and noone elses. Go to you own forum we don`t want to read your ****! Obviously YOU DO. You actually cared enough to reply. It's not propaganda, go read my post above, it's summary of activities during yesterday. However you might not like content, as I don't have Iraq Information Ministry power. No i clicked hoping something interesting happened. Its only molle`s one of "we pwn, you suck" messages.
Kaleeb Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.10.07 09:19:00 - [175] How on earth can you lose 75 bs and not kill any? Thats almost impossible lol, congrats to do bob on that. ASCN seem to be needing capable fleet commanders very badly, maybe you should hire seleene and MC command for a few weeks or recruit someone with a high level of experience? Originally by: Blacklight Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 09:25:00 - [176] Edited by: DB Preacher on 07/10/2006 09:25:45 Originally by: djNME Hey, Nice stats BoB, I'm a stats type of guy. It looks like everyone is having fun.Also seems that no matter the odds of survival people are willing to engage..kudos. DBP and others in BoB, I do find it ironic how you post stats of one battle or at all. When you criticize others with good numbers vs you when they post them? Making excuses or reasons they don't mean amything.Whats the difference? djNME I didn't post stats, I just commented on what the other dudes said. I wasn't there, I haven't been part of the ASCN war in the slightest and won't be for another week or so due to RL. However, killing that many BS without loss is worth a comment regardless of who you are and I was impressed with it... as most peeps appear to be from all over eve. I'd be surprised if anyone else had managed to kill 75 battleships in a day without losing 1. Anyhoo, don't be a hater. I've never once "criticize others with good numbers vs you when they post them?" I never post in other peeps threads unless they affect BoB in some way or are not smak threads. cheers, dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.07 09:26:00 - [177] Originally by: DoctorGonzo Then this evening, about 15 minutes after the node crashed, we jumped our support fleet into most of their fleet (which was hugging the TPAR gate in TCAG). They then jumped their fleet of about 30 Battleships through the gate (no idea why) and into our bubble camp, which had 80 Battleships - the slaughter began. At least no logoffski. But I like ASCN boldness. They don't sit and wait but just get to it. Even when the FC has a bad hairday. Today seems a bit better though. Btw BoB KB could use some more colors. The two carriers you downed t'day only show red on the last kills list.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 09:29:00 - [178] Edited by: Darcuese on 07/10/2006 09:29:40 Originally by: fuze But I like ASCN boldness. They don't sit and wait but just get to it. Even when the FC has a bad hairday. hehe...not exactly true. They needed some pushing to get it all started you know Discussing moderation in your signature is bad. Don't do it- Tirg Imperial Academy is currently recruiting Paragol Soul residents
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 09:38:00 - [179] Originally by: Sorja Pages full of continuous BoB posts are ridiculous IMHO. Take your pills gents And, just in case you didn't notice so far (but you will soon), losses are 100% irrelevant for ASCN. You just don't match their industrial backbone. It seems they are on the offensive, things might get interesting soon. Oh, and you can't avoid the POS wars for the simple reason that it's how CCP designed their game and it will only get worse. If you want to get rid of the hobbits, you better blow their holes up very fast. Or just pretend it was roadtrip when you get back to Fountain, if Foutain is still yours at that time, of course. hmm sorry, just a bit angry at the spam, never mind I like how people make assumptions without any real knowledge to back it up. Do you know about bobs industrial back bone, and do you know about ASCNS industrial back bone ? probaly not.
Auman Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 09:52:00 - [180] Edited by: Auman on 07/10/2006 09:52:28 Was a fun night, hope we get many more! /edit one line and i can't spell :(

Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 09:54:00 - [181] Originally by: Rennard Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Rennard Just another BoB propaganda thread full of BoB messages and noone elses. Go to you own forum we don`t want to read your ****! Obviously YOU DO. You actually cared enough to reply. It's not propaganda, go read my post above, it's summary of activities during yesterday. However you might not like content, as I don't have Iraq Information Ministry power. No i clicked hoping something interesting happened. Its only molle`s one of "we pwn, you suck" messages. We are bob so what did you think? Ppl cried cuz we didn't say much about what's been happening and now when we do they cry again. You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
Maltroc Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.07 09:58:00 - [182] I have a bet on the pages from this post. Gogogo
Phrixus Zephyr Singularity.	Posted - 2006.10.07 10:06:00 - [183] Ok, so in summery. BoB: "Oh... pos... well we were only playing but now it's serious. Spamspamspamspamspamspamspam"
Ysabelle nKataros Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 10:14:00 - [184] Originally by: djNME Hey, Nice stats BoB, I'm a stats type of guy. It looks like everyone is having fun.Also seems that no matter the odds of survival people are willing to engage..kudos. DBP and others in BoB, I do find it ironic how you post stats of one battle or at all. When you criticize others with good numbers vs you when they post them? Making excuses or reasons they don't mean amything.Whats the difference? djNME To be honest, I think the main point is that our tactics are capable of forcing them to engage even when the numbers favour us and they'd rather not BoB: When we have fleet battles, our killboard crashes
dr shark Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 10:16:00 - [185] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Ok, so in summery. BoB: "Oh... pos... well we were only playing but now it's serious. Spamspamspamspamspamspamspam" I bet you would like to have something to spam about too
Phrixus Zephyr Singularity.	Posted - 2006.10.07 10:18:00 - [186] Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 07/10/2006 10:20:51 Originally by: dr shark Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Ok, so in summery. BoB: "Oh... pos... well we were only playing but now it's serious. Spamspamspamspamspamspamspam" I bet you would like to have something to spam about too I wouldn't and havn't in the past had everyone involved spam to the point where ISD tells you in a roundabout way to STFU. ... edit, nobody minds the BoB posts, infact they are welcomed as update's on the story. It's the 10 pages of BoB going "Yeah...." that annoy's people. We end up with a 10 page thread in the space of a day, that people stop reading because they can't be arsed to sort the wheat from the chaff.
Josiah Bartlet Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 10:18:00 - [187] I'll never understand how some people ***** about BOB posts and feel the need to tell us how much you hate them. Do you think we care? If you don;t like bob posts, dont read them. The constant trolling of obvious alts (IE 1-3 man corps with no standings or relevant history) is comical. You fool nobody.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 10:21:00 - [188] Edited by: Darcuese on 07/10/2006 10:22:00 Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr I wouldn't and havn't in the past had everyone involved spam to the point where ISD tells you in a roundabout way to STFU. You either join the moderators alliance, or find job in a school if you feel like teaching someone or explainig stuff....but untill you do anything worth at least penny to post about...stop be smart a.s.s. Discussing moderation in your signature is bad. Don't do it- Tirg Imperial Academy is currently recruiting Paragol Soul residents
Phrixus Zephyr Singularity.	Posted - 2006.10.07 10:30:00 - [189] Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 07/10/2006 10:22:00 Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr I wouldn't and havn't in the past had everyone involved spam to the point where ISD tells you in a roundabout way to STFU. You either join the moderators alliance, or find job in a school if you feel like teaching someone or explainig stuff....but untill you do anything worth at least penny to post about...stop be smart a.s.s. Ok, so i have been involved in various large scale fight's and invasion's. Does that mean i can be a smart a.s.s. now. Or do i need the Darcuese seal of approval for merit in eve that qualify me for forum posting?
kahle Paralex Research	Posted - 2006.10.07 10:34:00 - [190] Originally by: TURBOman Originally by: Antaris Xenal Okay, can someone who is NOT BOB please confirm that this thread was somehow made by a PSYCHIC SirMolle? Because from what I can tell and what I have been reading he made the OP AFTER The "Siege" Or did BoB just decide he posted before the siege. You mate are hilarious So, if someone not bob confirms you will drop all your conclusions and agree with him even tho it was bob who was in this fight and not someone else Bob must have done something terribly wrong to you when you were young nah I just think maybe he doesnt like you go bob forum squad, you can crash this too!

Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.07 10:35:00 - [191] ASCN, see as you dont seem to care all to much about losses, and you already have POS's setup in TPAR (decent setups hopefully). Then get a HENCH BS's fleet, fit them all with heavy damage setups with a little added nosfertu and scramblers. Slap an mwd on them and maybe even a few nano's. Jump str8 into bobs bubble camp, MWD out thier bubbles and warp str8 to thier cap fleet at a pos. That or atleast get into the bloody system with a good set of anti-cap ship bs's so you can nuke a load of them if they do attack your pos's. Just jump in a couple of seconds before DT or something. I mean who ******* planned this ASCN op, you ran in, put some POS's up, and hoped they would just miraculously do the job for you while you ran around getting spanked. Whats the point in even engageing if your guna kill nothing at all? At the moment you have no way and no idea of how to defend your POS's from bob. But at least youve took the heat of GQ2, so much for trying to get ASCN corps to give up early. I would say respect for "bringing it" to bob, but really you havent brought much, i'd say it was more sheer stupidity than bravery. If you'd planned and executed it well, there would definatly be room for respect. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Sadist Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.07 10:37:00 - [192] Total respect to PapaPadla, the guy, who fit 250mm II arty on the arma and totally raped BOB support inties (who can't fit for ** btw ). I think he got like 5 killmails in a row, and probably contributed to many more. (This is not a flame, just props to the guy for the out-of-the-box thinking) At least ascn are getting some kills now, and we can learn some setups from bobbits. òòòòòòòòòòòò VIP member of the [23] Quote:** - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 10:38:00 - [193] Edited by: Sir JoJo on 07/10/2006 10:39:55 Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 07/10/2006 10:20:51 Originally by: dr shark Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Ok, so in summery. BoB: "Oh... pos... well we were only playing but now it's serious. Spamspamspamspamspamspamspam" I bet you would like to have something to spam about too I wouldn't and havn't in the past had everyone involved spam to the point where ISD tells you in a roundabout way to STFU. ... edit, nobody minds the BoB posts, infact they are welcomed as update's on the story. It's the 10 pages of BoB going "Yeah...." that annoy's people. We end up with a 10 page thread in the space of a day, that people stop reading because they can't be arsed to sort the wheat from the chaff. Click me snip Don't be nasty [email protected] to discuss mod - Cathath i am not nasty
DeadDuck Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.07 10:41:00 - [194] Edited by: DeadDuck on 07/10/2006 10:45:04 So can anyone explain how the battle go ? Did you engage ASCN near a POS, or near a gate ? What were the numbers from each side ?
magickangaroo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 10:54:00 - [195] Originally by: DeadDuck Edited by: DeadDuck on 07/10/2006 10:45:04 So can anyone explain how the battle go ? Did you engage ASCN near a POS, or near a gate ? What were the numbers from each side ? was there up untill about 1am then i went to bed. vast majoirty of the time we were on the gate with ascn on the other. ascn also had about 30 in tpar and equal or more on the next system. bob gang was i think at 170 maybe and i think next door was maybe 190-200 area. however at the time of engagment its really hard to tell as we had gone through two node deaths and were moving fast. we got tired of waiting and started shooting theyre pos... theyre pos with no guns. just to let u know how great they set them up. then the node died, we loged in, ascn loged in, node died, repeat another time and we are back on the gate getting close to it as pos. some nifty tactics went ahead and our support forced them through. theyre bs came through pretty much one at a time. not unified, a fair few did seemingly , kill theyre clients and warp off, but a fair few didnt. they decloaked by one and died. later on the people who logged/crashed at the gate came back in. again, one by one. tbh it was herendously borining, well for me at least, i was hoping for a good clean fight lasting an hour or maybe even more. instead ascns wierd tactics and choices turned it into a turkey shoot, so knowing the rest of bob had it covered i went to bed. now fair doos, props to those who came down, the ordinary ascn guy who showed up, thats great. but ascn FC needs to go back to school. mgk (GAL11) Brigadier General yay
kahle Paralex Research	Posted - 2006.10.07 10:59:00 - [196] Originally by: magickangaroo Originally by: DeadDuck Edited by: DeadDuck on 07/10/2006 10:45:04 So can anyone explain how the battle go ? Did you engage ASCN near a POS, or near a gate ? What were the numbers from each side ? was there up untill about 1am then i went to bed. vast majoirty of the time we were on the gate with ascn on the other. ascn also had about 30 in tpar and equal or more on the next system. bob gang was i think at 170 maybe and i think next door was maybe 190-200 area. however at the time of engagment its really hard to tell as we had gone through two node deaths and were moving fast. we got tired of waiting and started shooting theyre pos... theyre pos with no guns. just to let u know how great they set them up. then the node died, we loged in, ascn loged in, node died, repeat another time and we are back on the gate getting close to it as pos. some nifty tactics went ahead and our support forced them through. theyre bs came through pretty much one at a time. not unified, a fair few did seemingly , kill theyre clients and warp off, but a fair few didnt. they decloaked by one and died. later on the people who logged/crashed at the gate came back in. again, one by one. tbh it was herendously borining, well for me at least, i was hoping for a good clean fight lasting an hour or maybe even more. instead ascns wierd tactics and choices turned it into a turkey shoot, so knowing the rest of bob had it covered i went to bed. now fair doos, props to those who came down, the ordinary ascn guy who showed up, thats great. but ascn FC needs to go back to school. mgk finally someone posted their side of the deal it without whooping etc, nice one
Sith8 The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.07 11:04:00 - [197] Man 75-80% of the replys here are from BoB members. Kinda reminds me of them Seagulls in Finding Nemo....Moin!!
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.10.07 11:20:00 - [198] Edited by: welsh wizard on 07/10/2006 11:23:34 I'm just have trouble believing there are adults behind these online personas. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
HordeZla Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 11:21:00 - [199] Edited by: HordeZla on 07/10/2006 11:25:09 ^^^^ see my point ^^^^ Originally by: Sith8 Man 75-80% of the replys here are from BoB members. Kinda reminds me of them Seagulls in Finding Nemo....Moin!! and 20% of the posts are from people with nothing but flaim to bring to the forums.....go figure.
Crean NaVar Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.07 11:23:00 - [200] Invasion of ASCN space not running too well then ...? ...thats how I read the original post at least.

Proconsul Para Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 11:34:00 - [201] Originally by: Crean NaVar Invasion of ASCN space not running too well then ...? ...thats how I read the original post at least. Crean, we didn't just expect them to bend over and die, if that's how you read the lines so far. ASCN has a huge industrial/carebear base, and big numbers, so this means alot of ships, battleships, capitals and POSes. And they try to use them to their advantage, as there's no better defence then an offensive (hope this sounds clear, I'm abit hangover). it's true that they afford to lose alot, and lose they do as you see , but we're persevering until the day the losses become not so easy to replace. Check that pair of carriers from last nite, shame I was swallowing votcas and chasing a skirt at that moment . May be replaced fast today, but if they keep losing them, they'll end up in T1 cruisers someday. Drachenlord > I'm sorry Para, who are you again?
Seth Quantix Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 11:34:00 - [202] Originally by: Crean NaVar Invasion of ASCN space not running too well then ...? ...thats how I read the original post at least. LOL, nice try. Go to the kill boards, ascn have lost a heck of a lot of capital ships, BS and POS....enough isk to feed a large drone hive for a month!! A ship loss is a loss where ever it is.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 11:36:00 - [203] It was fun realy seeing local pop to 200 and watching ASCN putting their POS with one hauler ungaurded But hey Damn big camp they had at staion 8 bubbels and like 150 ppl everywhere , i only saw a flash when i warped there then good ole cloing vats hehehe . According to the stats my little ranis was avenaged \o/ Respect for ASCN for bringing the fight to us but realy poses arent that needed they are just an isk sink "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Mace Ardguy Dark Wheel	Posted - 2006.10.07 11:36:00 - [204] Each and every engagement and kill you make against ASCN is a carebear gaining combat experience against the self-confessed best in the game. The longer this goes on the more likely is BoB's downfall.
Mrs Mimnatar	Posted - 2006.10.07 11:43:00 - [205] Originally by: Crean NaVar Invasion of ASCN space not running too well then ...? ...thats how I read the original post at least. I agree with NaVar This enitre post is about BOB beating its chest on how great they are at defending this station and system. I think you are missing the entire point, this is not somthing to beat your chest about all. You are the aggressor in this war, and in case you didn't know it here is the link that you posted to start it: BOB War Dec. From what I know about war the aggressor should be on the offensive not defending its station. Do you think that war aggressors in history have been proud when they were loosing?? NO!!!! of course not they were proudest when they had conquests of their own. Stop beating your chest when you having nothing to show. I think this war is about showing BOB is great and frankly so far you are not showing that to the world. So pound away if defending is what you got into this war for Great Job ASCN taking the war to the aggressor and putting them in their place.
John McCreedy Caldari Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.07 11:44:00 - [206] 11.00 Eve Standard Time: TPAR (Period Basis) Seige day 2: 2 BoB towers down. All ASCN towers refreshed, refueld and out of Reinforced. Make a Difference
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 11:46:00 - [207] Edited by: Darcuese on 07/10/2006 11:46:15 Originally by: Crean NaVar Invasion of ASCN space not running too well then ...? ...thats how I read the original post at least. You are right...we are getting to old for this modern warfare. Discussing moderation in your signature is bad. Don't do it- Tirg Imperial Academy is currently recruiting Paragol Soul residents
TWD TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 11:50:00 - [208] Originally by: John McCreedy 11.00 Eve Standard Time: TPAR (Period Basis) Seige day 2: 2 BoB towers down. All ASCN towers refreshed, refueld and out of Reinforced. Were those 2 carriers losses worth the 2 small POS kills?
elrikyo Puppets on Steroids iPOD Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.07 11:58:00 - [209] Stop flaming the topic BOB. Good luck to ascn in the invasion of BOB space... thumbs up.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:00:00 - [210] Originally by: elrikyo Stop flaming the topic BOB. Good luck to ascn in the invasion of BOB space... thumbs up. Who is flaming?? If they will lose 2 carriers and the amount of ships with it every day to refuel their poses in TPAR , omg that would make us very very very happy bobbits \o/ "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"

Ghargon The Bratwurst Burglars	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:01:00 - [211] Its hard to tell what has actually gone on from this post but by trying to read between the bob forum warriors posts it seems that ASCN have taken the iniciative and for that cudos. How successful this has been only time will tell. I never think of the future - It comes soon enough
Seth Quantix Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:03:00 - [212] Originally by: Mace Ardguy Each and every engagement and kill you make against ASCN is a carebear gaining combat experience against the self-confessed best in the game. The longer this goes on the more likely is BoB's downfall. can you link me to one post where bob says there the best please?
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:05:00 - [213] Originally by: Mace Ardguy Each and every engagement and kill you make against ASCN is a carebear gaining combat experience against the self-confessed best in the game. The longer this goes on the more likely is BoB's downfall. To be honest, we are already seeing improvement in some areas, and I have no doubt that will continue. A war of this scale will do one of two things, break an entity or make it stronger. It's really up to ASCN which of those two options it takes. The truth is, no one outside of BoB and ASCN are really aware of what we are both capable of. I see lots of posts that are based on assumption and conjecture that are completely missing the mark (in regards to both alliances). Btw, the fights this afternoon in TPAR were great fun. Not looking forward to the day Tier III BS come out :)
Ronja Mistysdottir Norsk Gruvedrift	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:10:00 - [214] Originally by: Red Six Final report for the day for all you 3rd parties: At approximately 05:55 GMT ASCN jumped a large fleet into TPAR. Approximately 160+ ASCN members were in TPAR. The BoB gang had 38 including support, local peaked at 210. BoB forces warped into the main ASCN fleet at range to pick off 1 - 4 ships at a time. Sometimes it worked for us, sometimes it didn't. ASCN then sieged an unhardened small POS and lost 2 carriers to the BoB fleet. One carrier was fitted with Core-X gear. One was fitted with an Improved Cloak II. Commentary: Considering we had only about 25 BS at our largest gang size during this fight and facing those numbers they had I think we did damn well. The small POS was lost along some battleships but ASCN lost two carriers plus some battleships. I'll take that trade to be honest. BOB need to take a look at the kill loss ratio of E3 to AAA, and Burn Eden. Sure, bob racked up the kills in a couple of hours. Burn Eden however kills that much ASCN every week. And they don't take any losses either.
StoneCold	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:13:00 - [215] ASCN, if u want an extra pilot at your side, plz send me an ingame mail with contact name. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
hothead Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:19:00 - [216] well at least they attacked you .. huh... if the shoe was on the other foot would have you done the same>>
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:22:00 - [217] Originally by: Ronja Mistysdottir BOB need to take a look at the kill loss ratio of E3 to AAA, and Burn Eden. Sure, bob racked up the kills in a couple of hours. Burn Eden however kills that much ASCN every week. And they don't take any losses either. It's very hard to compare the kind of fighting happening in TPAR at the moment to the accomplishments of groups like Burn Eden. Those kills are not form small scale engagements, or shooting at unsuspecting victims. Every person on that list was part of a near 200 man group, in our territory, attacking us. For those that haven't really been part of fleet engagments before, they had enough BS firepower to instapop 3 or 4 BS at once. On a 24" monitor, I had to scroll my overview twice to see all the BS. Now considering that, and the fact that during the most exciting parts of those fights, there was only 17 BS on our side (and thats all we were using). It's hard to compare numbers :P It's great fun, thank you to ASCN for the opportunity. GF to the ANZA guys!
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:25:00 - [218] Originally by: John McCreedy All ASCN towers refreshed, refueld and out of Reinforced. Did you at least put some guns on them this time?
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:29:00 - [219] Originally by: fuze Originally by: John McCreedy All ASCN towers refreshed, refueld and out of Reinforced. Did you at least put some guns on them this time? No they didn't, that information itself isn't entirely accurate either.
hothead Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:34:00 - [220] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: elrikyo Stop flaming the topic BOB. Good luck to ascn in the invasion of BOB space... thumbs up. Who is flaming?? If they will lose 2 carriers and the amount of ships with it every day to refuel their poses in TPAR , omg that would make us very very very happy bobbits \o/ aint this a flame also??

Kariss Gallente Midnight Cartel	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:35:00 - [221] Originally by: Janus Drake 30 of 35 posts, replys of Bob, do you not have an own forum? QFT. They may have the PVP skills but their self-gratifying ego-stroking in these frequent public displays is pretty pathetic. Good luck ASCN.
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:40:00 - [222] Originally by: Sadist Total respect to PapaPadla, the guy, who fit 250mm II arty on the arma and totally raped BOB support inties (who can't fit for ** btw ). I think he got like 5 killmails in a row, and probably contributed to many more. (This is not a flame, just props to the guy for the out-of-the-box thinking) At least ascn are getting some kills now, and we can learn some setups from bobbits. First of all, it's hardly original, Mongo Peck was the first person I ever saw use this tactic by putting heavy neutron blasters on an armageddon with 8 stabs, also used effectively against BoB more than 2 years ago. As for "this isn't a flame", your words bely your intent if that is the case and i wonder what you think you'd learn if we can't "fit for **". Thanks for posting.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:41:00 - [223] Originally by: Kariss Originally by: Janus Drake 30 of 35 posts, replys of Bob, do you not have an own forum? QFT. They may have the PVP skills but their self-gratifying ego-stroking in these frequent public displays is pretty pathetic. Good luck ASCN. You would do better to point out the good as something to aim for, than flame the people you consider to be doing the wrong thing. These kinds of posts add less positive content to the thread than the posts you're complaining about.
Snodgey2004 Mega Modal M0nkeys	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:44:00 - [224] Well Done BoB , reading through all the replies I see ( amongst the BoB posts ) it's clear alot of people would prefer it if BoB didn't post at all in threads concerning them , all I wait for now is when ASCN and Co. achieve something on a similar scale is to make a post about it , will love to link them to this page when the ASCN spam follows . Again good job BoB , 75-0 is nothing to be sniffed at....
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:56:00 - [225] Sadly enough I missed all the goodness past the first hour after DT or so yesterday, and all of today, but many thanks to ASCN for bringing it. Maybe next time it'll all go a little better for you, although I'm sure TPAR isn't going to go quiet as fast as it went busy. Or: it ain't over yet. As for those saying that the mere fact ASCN is sieging one of our systems rather then us being sieging one of theirs is a sign that BoB is slacking and that the experience gained by ASCN in the long run may well be our downfall. Well, I don't agree with either, but even if the latter becomes true it'll be well worth it if every day to that day is as fun as the last days. Old blog
DeadDuck Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:56:00 - [226] Originally by: John McCreedy 11.00 Eve Standard Time: TPAR (Period Basis) Seige day 2: 2 BoB towers down. All ASCN towers refreshed, refueld and out of Reinforced. Now this is bad news for BOB... like it or not .. welcome to the POS wars. I'm sure you soon will be introduced to the Top ASCN PVP players: Large Minmatar Control Tower Large Caldari Control Tower Large Amarr Control Tower Large Gallente Control Tower Good luck all
DeadDuck Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:59:00 - [227] Originally by: magickangaroo Originally by: DeadDuck Edited by: DeadDuck on 07/10/2006 10:45:04 So can anyone explain how the battle go ? Did you engage ASCN near a POS, or near a gate ? What were the numbers from each side ? was there up untill about 1am then i went to bed. vast majoirty of the time we were on the gate with ascn on the other. ascn also had about 30 in tpar and equal or more on the next system. bob gang was i think at 170 maybe and i think next door was maybe 190-200 area. however at the time of engagment its really hard to tell as we had gone through two node deaths and were moving fast. we got tired of waiting and started shooting theyre pos... theyre pos with no guns. just to let u know how great they set them up. then the node died, we loged in, ascn loged in, node died, repeat another time and we are back on the gate getting close to it as pos. some nifty tactics went ahead and our support forced them through. theyre bs came through pretty much one at a time. not unified, a fair few did seemingly , kill theyre clients and warp off, but a fair few didnt. they decloaked by one and died. later on the people who logged/crashed at the gate came back in. again, one by one. tbh it was herendously borining, well for me at least, i was hoping for a good clean fight lasting an hour or maybe even more. instead ascns wierd tactics and choices turned it into a turkey shoot, so knowing the rest of bob had it covered i went to bed. now fair doos, props to those who came down, the ordinary ascn guy who showed up, thats great. but ascn FC needs to go back to school. mgk POS without weapons ... Seems that the ASCN coordination was bad . really bad ...
sonofollo Caldari 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.10.07 13:00:00 - [228] ASCN seem to be not really commenting on this thread and others i guess they are either under orders to not respond or just letting BOB answer each others Posts ( seems like both are having fun tho) which is always good Im a happy little camper now - CCP 4tw.
BadManEdmundo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 13:04:00 - [229] Edited by: BadManEdmundo on 07/10/2006 13:04:40 nm, page 7 was hiddedn and someones picked up on it. __________________
xlop Gallente Yes no maybe - i dont know	Posted - 2006.10.07 13:11:00 - [230] This war is to stop ASCN insta popping dreads in siege 6months down the line!!! guess mole is smarter than he looks, if ascn can build one titan there is nothing stopping them from building 8-10 within the year, each one more efficient and faster to build. if ascn then bought a second different titan BPO they could have 15-20 titans within the year. this would give ASCN something bob didnt think about or is too lazy to implement. The ability to insta pop dreads in siege mode!!! the cost to ascn would be high, near the 1 tril isk mark, but they can easily get this considering that the current titan was built from refinery minerals only!! but it can be done by ascn and bob knows this think of bob sending in 35 dreads to take down a hostile POS. you only need one ship in that system with a cyno [low sp alt loged off even] and ascn can show up with 20 odd titans! they send in 20 doomsdays [even with lvl 4 skills that is over 1million HP damage!] with a uber faction kitted dread, you would need at lest 90% resistance all over [which is impossilbe tbh] and on top of that a full high grade slave and 8% to armor HP implant!! [and the 3+ bil in implants would pop too!] basically, ascn could change the face of war greatly within 6 months if bob did not act right now!! this is what the war is for, nothing more , nothing less. just to stop acsn gathering the power to instapop capital ships with almost zero risk!! this war will hurt both sides , the amount of t2 equipment and ships lost daily is very high, and we have yet to see multiple capital ship kills which will probably happen. Bob has to leave ACSN crippled, but it is going to take a hit doing it. Once the war is over, if a strong party like d2 attacks the ôwinnerö it could then take them out too! If nothing else, its an interesting war. Just one more thing, id say ascn would raise 100bil isk within 48h of asking the public for donations against to fight bob, you guys really dont have a good rep within the general eve public. -- Imperial College London FTW --

Auman Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 13:22:00 - [231] Originally by: John McCreedy 11.00 Eve Standard Time: TPAR (Period Basis) Seige day 2: 2 BoB towers down. All ASCN towers refreshed, refueld and out of Reinforced. Wrong. All ASCN towers are not re-fueled as highlighted by the large one we killed 10mins ago.
Rennard Deniz Mahsulleri Ofisi	Posted - 2006.10.07 13:27:00 - [232] Now this topic started to seem something interesting... I think ASCN doesn`t care few carrier deaths since they can build up capital ships faster than BoB, they will replace`em in no time. And like i always said, early days BoB will seem like winning but when it comes to POS and Capital Ships war, tables will turn. BoB can never match ASCN`s industrial power. plus i think ASCN wanted everyone to hear that they invaded the BoB space and started building Pos. The blow to BoB`s reputation is greater next to 2 carrier loss.
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.07 13:35:00 - [233] Originally by: xlop This war is to stop ASCN insta popping dreads in siege 6months down the line!!! guess mole is smarter than he looks, if ascn can build one titan there is nothing stopping them from building 8-10 within the year, each one more efficient and faster to build. if ascn then bought a second different titan BPO they could have 15-20 titans within the year. this would give ASCN something bob didnt think about or is too lazy to implement. The ability to insta pop dreads in siege mode!!! the cost to ascn would be high, near the 1 tril isk mark, but they can easily get this considering that the current titan was built from refinery minerals only!! but it can be done by ascn and bob knows this think of bob sending in 35 dreads to take down a hostile POS. you only need one ship in that system with a cyno [low sp alt loged off even] and ascn can show up with 20 odd titans! they send in 20 doomsdays [even with lvl 4 skills that is over 1million HP damage!] with a uber faction kitted dread, you would need at lest 90% resistance all over [which is impossilbe tbh] and on top of that a full high grade slave and 8% to armor HP implant!! [and the 3+ bil in implants would pop too!] basically, ascn could change the face of war greatly within 6 months if bob did not act right now!! this is what the war is for, nothing more , nothing less. just to stop acsn gathering the power to instapop capital ships with almost zero risk!! this war will hurt both sides , the amount of t2 equipment and ships lost daily is very high, and we have yet to see multiple capital ship kills which will probably happen. Bob has to leave ACSN crippled, but it is going to take a hit doing it. Once the war is over, if a strong party like d2 attacks the ôwinnerö it could then take them out too! If nothing else, its an interesting war. Just one more thing, id say ascn would raise 100bil isk within 48h of asking the public for donations against to fight bob, you guys really dont have a good rep within the general eve public. LOL, that is an interesting theory, but another curious point: I assume to send the Doomsday through cyno, the Titan pilot has to right click the cyno pilot in gang. Assuming thats the case, the cyno pilot dies with first Doomsday. The others may not pass through before the Node wins! BTW. I cant remember the last thread started by Molle, which didnt get past 500 posts, come on, keep up posting guys! ------------------ Save Deimos!
xlop Gallente Yes no maybe - i dont know	Posted - 2006.10.07 13:41:00 - [234] Originally by: Audrea LOL, that is an interesting theory, but another curious point: I assume to send the Doomsday through cyno, the Titan pilot has to right click the cyno pilot in gang. Assuming thats the case, the cyno pilot dies with first Doomsday. The others may not pass through before the Node wins! BTW. I cant remember the last thread started by Molle, which didnt get past 500 posts, come on, keep up posting guys! 15sec delay from doomsdayfire to doomsday pop, so they got 15sec to activeate 15-20bombs, which is enough time tbh -- Imperial College London FTW --
Astasia Orian Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 13:45:00 - [235] Quote: Now this is bad news for BOB... like it or not .. welcome to the POS wars. I'm sure you soon will be introduced to the Top ASCN PVP players: I just got back from an intensive Rocky IV style training course in Siberia on the fine art of PoS war. We're more than ready to compete if that's how they want to play it :)
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.07 13:52:00 - [236] Edited by: Audrea on 07/10/2006 13:53:22 Originally by: xlop Originally by: Audrea LOL, that is an interesting theory, but another curious point: I assume to send the Doomsday through cyno, the Titan pilot has to right click the cyno pilot in gang. Assuming thats the case, the cyno pilot dies with first Doomsday. The others may not pass through before the Node wins! BTW. I cant remember the last thread started by Molle, which didnt get past 500 posts, come on, keep up posting guys! 15sec delay from doomsdayfire to doomsday pop, so they got 15sec to activeate 15-20bombs, which is enough time tbh Well ok, but the dreads in siege mode have very short repper cycle.. 15 secs in siege, apply skills, and its like 9 secs. If they know there are 10 Titans in local, and you see suddenly cyno near the dreads, you time the reppers to go off approx 1 sec after the blast(s). But what happens AFTER the weapon was fired? As I recall it cant be fired again for 60 mins, is the Titan immobile during that time, to compensate for its immense power? I hope so, and if its so, then the dreads get it poped EDIT: Also, those dreads will most defintly have dmg control mod .. so they should be able to survive 10 Titan blasts. ------------------ Save Deimos!
Phrixus Zephyr Singularity.	Posted - 2006.10.07 13:59:00 - [237] Originally by: xlop Originally by: Audrea LOL, that is an interesting theory, but another curious point: I assume to send the Doomsday through cyno, the Titan pilot has to right click the cyno pilot in gang. Assuming thats the case, the cyno pilot dies with first Doomsday. The others may not pass through before the Node wins! BTW. I cant remember the last thread started by Molle, which didnt get past 500 posts, come on, keep up posting guys! 15sec delay from doomsdayfire to doomsday pop, so they got 15sec to activeate 15-20bombs, which is enough time tbh The argument is void anyway. It took Cyvok something like 6-8 months to train for titan if i recall a statement made. Not including all the prereq's for carrir's. Plus a similar amount of time just to build the thing. Also it was used using refining tax's because do you really think the whole alliance are going to give vast quantities of their own minerals (as apposed to a small amount im sure they give in corp events) to make more titans? Tax'd minerals were proberbly used because at the end of the day, it's still a game, and players still need to make their own way. 1-2 'maybe' and 1 at a time at that. 15-20? Not a chance.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 14:02:00 - [238] Originally by: Rennard Now this topic started to seem something interesting... I think ASCN doesn`t care few carrier deaths since they can build up capital ships faster than BoB, they will replace`em in no time. And like i always said, early days BoB will seem like winning but when it comes to POS and Capital Ships war, tables will turn. BoB can never match ASCN`s industrial power. plus i think ASCN wanted everyone to hear that they invaded the BoB space and started building Pos. The blow to BoB`s reputation is greater next to 2 carrier loss. Not to belittle the accomplishments of ASCN here, but do you actually thing that entering a BoB system and putting POS up is a hit to our reputation? The POS established in the system are for the most part lacking any fittings, or fuel. They're falling by the minute. If nothing else though, the POS are giving us something to fight over, and that can only be good.
Justice forHungary Amarr Wings of Turul Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.07 14:20:00 - [239] Can i post here ? Or this is only BoB place ?
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 14:23:00 - [240] Originally by: Justice forHungary Can i post here ? Or this is only BoB place ? More ASCN would be preferable to third parties telling us what you're capable of :)

Millis Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 14:31:00 - [241] Ok this is just ridiculous. Please just realize the facts that are very embarrasing for one of the parts - ASCN. Just look at this: Friday killratio: 75-0 Saturday before noon: 2 Carrier losses plus bs kills and having a few of our bs killed in order to take down their carriers and some of their bs. All of the above were ASCN losses. Just look at the numbers! PLUS we are right now taking down all their so called "Pos installations" and guess what? We are ready soon. This must be one of the greatest failures and failing attempts of engaging in eve history. Now tell me, who¦s da man and who is really fooling who? If I hear anything more stupid after you¦ve looked over these facts, then you should feel very ignorant and denial.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 14:52:00 - [242] The assumptions about our industrial power have us laughing our socks off, it's most amusing. Anyway, I'm having a lot of fun in TPAR and am very happy indeed that ASCN decided to have a go and be proactive. I wanted a war, where we fight it is currently of no concern to me. At least they have had the balls, manpower and hardware to at least try what no-one else has done in the last year to eighteen months despite us practically begging the rest of you spineless no mark BoB haters. Good for ASCN. Eve Blacklight Style
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.10.07 14:57:00 - [243] LTS: Fleet Commanders FREEE is Recruiting
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 15:26:00 - [244] What BL said . "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Elendar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.10.07 15:33:00 - [245] Originally by: Millis Edited by: Millis on 07/10/2006 14:44:45 Ok this is just ridiculous. Please just realize the facts that are very embarrasing for one of the parts - ASCN. Just look at this: Friday killratio: 75-0 (forgot to add that this is only for the battleships ratio!, Imagine how many of their smaller ships that blew.) Saturday before noon: 2 Carrier losses plus bs kills and having a few of our bs killed in order to take down their carriers and some of their bs. All of the above were ASCN losses. Just look at the numbers! PLUS we are right now taking down all their so called "Pos installations" and guess what? We are ready soon. This must be one of the greatest failures and failing attempts of engaging in eve history. Now tell me, who¦s da man and who is really fooling who? If I hear anything more stupid after you¦ve looked over these facts, then you should feel very ignorant and denial. They may be failing, but they're failing in your space not theirs Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Xirt must be one of the GREAT leaders in eve to keep you guys shooting shuttles in hophib
Dortock The Scarlet Harmonic	Posted - 2006.10.07 15:37:00 - [246] Originally by: Blacklight The assumptions about our industrial power have us laughing our socks off, it's most amusing. Anyway, I'm having a lot of fun in TPAR and am very happy indeed that ASCN decided to have a go and be proactive. I wanted a war, where we fight it is currently of no concern to me. At least they have had the balls, manpower and hardware to at least try what no-one else has done in the last year to eighteen months despite us practically begging the rest of you spineless no mark BoB haters. Good for ASCN. Blacklight ftw. Nice post, but it lacks tinfoilbait King Tinfoil Hatter

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Millis Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 15:47:00 - [248] Originally by: Elendar Originally by: Millis Edited by: Millis on 07/10/2006 14:44:45 Ok this is just ridiculous. Please just realize the facts that are very embarrasing for one of the parts - ASCN. Just look at this: Friday killratio: 75-0 (forgot to add that this is only for the battleships ratio!, Imagine how many of their smaller ships that blew.) Saturday before noon: 2 Carrier losses plus bs kills and having a few of our bs killed in order to take down their carriers and some of their bs. All of the above were ASCN losses. Just look at the numbers! PLUS we are right now taking down all their so called "Pos installations" and guess what? We are ready soon. This must be one of the greatest failures and failing attempts of engaging in eve history. Now tell me, who¦s da man and who is really fooling who? If I hear anything more stupid after you¦ve looked over these facts, then you should feel very ignorant and denial. They may be failing, but they're failing in your space not theirs Wrong. They are failing in their own space as well. Since it¦s against forum rules, I¦m not allowed to give all statistics in here but you for sure would understand if you did actually know anything about them before posting. But just so you will feel better, you can check our bbq in "their" space before this TPAR bbq. You see, they have problems defending their space thus putting out pos¦s in our space and also sacrifice ship losses there so we won¦t bbq them in their space and their "valuables" again. Therefore losing ships in our space is also a loss for them in their space because they obviously got problems defending it.
Skrypt Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.07 15:55:00 - [249] Originally by: John McCreedy 11.00 Eve Standard Time: TPAR (Period Basis) Seige day 2: 2 BoB towers down. All ASCN towers refreshed, refueld and out of Reinforced. Wow. Thanks for your simplicity despite the epic nature of your accomplishment. It brought me up to date on the issues in 2 seconds despite the 20 minutes I spent sifting through BoB-garbage. You would think it was goonswarm who had won something. Congrats to BoB for having an incredibly lengthy conversation with themselves about their win. ___________
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 16:07:00 - [250] Originally by: Skrypt Congrats to BoB for having an incredibly lengthy conversation with themselves about their win. Yes, it's been great. And I think we agree that we rock. While ASCN are slowly coming to terms with just how good their alliance really is. ~Dobbs. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-

KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 16:18:00 - [251] Originally by: Skrypt Originally by: John McCreedy 11.00 Eve Standard Time: TPAR (Period Basis) Seige day 2: 2 BoB towers down. All ASCN towers refreshed, refueld and out of Reinforced. Wow. Thanks for your simplicity despite the epic nature of your accomplishment. It brought me up to date on the issues in 2 seconds despite the 20 minutes I spent sifting through BoB-garbage. You would think it was goonswarm who had won something. Congrats to BoB for having an incredibly lengthy conversation with themselves about their win. Here's the only thing Dude, It's a blatent Lie. All but one of their towers are either in reinforced or offline, they managed to kill 2 SMALL POS's, at the cost of 2 Carriers. John McCreedy is and always has been a 2-faced Liar. You would do well not to listen to anything he ever says. BoB may be mouthy on the forums, but at least we tell the truth. -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2006.10.07 16:24:00 - [252] A bold move by ASCN, which probably noone in the EvE universe expected. We in BoB can only applaud such a move by ASCN as they have been the first to take the fight to our space while it wasn't completely riskfree. In over a year only one alliance has done that to us. What does that say about the rest of the universe? You are all cowards who are too afraid to lose a ship. G, VC, SA, FA, IRON, D2, RAZOR and countless of other alliances have never dared what ASCN are doing now. Wether you succeed or fail ASCN, you definetly deserve some respect for this. This is going to be a long war and both alliances will suffer from it, we're prepared to take losses and to follow this through till the bitter end and I can only hope ASCN will do the same. With regards to those hyenas trying to take advantage of the current situation, please get on with your useless lives in this universe. If your only valuable option to achieve something in EvE is to do it when BoB isn't around then you're nothing but pathetic. Now enough babbling, jump that fleet into TPAR and let's get this show on the road! ------------------ WOTANKN > WOTAN-KN + BIZARRE= SIR MOLLE
csebal Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.07 16:30:00 - [253] Originally by: Robert Dobbs Originally by: Skrypt Congrats to BoB for having an incredibly lengthy conversation with themselves about their win. Yes, it's been great. And I think we agree that we rock. While ASCN are slowly coming to terms with just how good their alliance really is. ~Dobbs. As i'm not playin EVE actively, im livin merely on the news of it. It would be nice to hear some ASCN 'opinions' as well. Why? Because ego, pride and self-confidence are OK, but a few bits of objective news would be appreciated (by me at least). Other than the: "we rock, NO WE ROCK" kind of bull** going on. I'm truly curious what the outcome of this conflict will be, as from what i know ASCN is the most solid, most united, and maybe even the biggest alliance BOB had a fight with until now. It is my chance to test my theory on the truth behind BOB's success. So keep on fighting people, and provide us with USEFUL and OBJECTIVE information on whats going on. For those talking about the numbers, remember the old saying: 'You may have won the battle, but the war is far from being over'. It's always nice to have a kill ratio of 75:0, its a victory for sure, but at the end of the war, it will merely be a sidenote in the books of history. In a book written by the victorious, not necessarily the one with the most kills. My post does not represent the general or official opinion of anyone else besides me. No matter what YOU believe. Rest.In.Peace HUN**
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.10.07 16:34:00 - [254] I still wish ASCN best of luck in their endevors against Band of Bullies.
kahle Paralex Research	Posted - 2006.10.07 16:34:00 - [255] Originally by: KSUDruid Originally by: Skrypt Originally by: John McCreedy 11.00 Eve Standard Time: TPAR (Period Basis) Seige day 2: 2 BoB towers down. All ASCN towers refreshed, refueld and out of Reinforced. Wow. Thanks for your simplicity despite the epic nature of your accomplishment. It brought me up to date on the issues in 2 seconds despite the 20 minutes I spent sifting through BoB-garbage. You would think it was goonswarm who had won something. Congrats to BoB for having an incredibly lengthy conversation with themselves about their win. Here's the only thing Dude, It's a blatent Lie. All but one of their towers are either in reinforced or offline, they managed to kill 2 SMALL POS's, at the cost of 2 Carriers. John McCreedy is and always has been a 2-faced Liar. You would do well not to listen to anything he ever says. BoB may be mouthy on the forums, but at least we tell the truth. maybe sums it up
Tactician Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 16:35:00 - [256] Originally by: John McCreedy 11.00 Eve Standard Time: TPAR (Period Basis) Seige day 2: 2 BoB towers down. All ASCN towers refreshed, refueld and out of Reinforced. Blatent lies... how sad you would lower yourself to that. Cant say I'm entirely suprised though.
kahle Paralex Research	Posted - 2006.10.07 16:37:00 - [257] Originally by: Tactician Originally by: John McCreedy 11.00 Eve Standard Time: TPAR (Period Basis) Seige day 2: 2 BoB towers down. All ASCN towers refreshed, refueld and out of Reinforced. Blatent lies... how sad you would lower yourself to that. Cant say I'm entirely suprised though. maybe you are starting to believe your own propaganda?
Malvahne Amarr NED-Clan R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.07 16:44:00 - [258] Originally by: Karass Sayfo Thread cleaned up of obvious flames and trolling. Please keep the discussion in a civil and on-topic manner. Blatantly off-topic posts are liable to be removed without warning. If you see a flame, please email [email protected] instead of replying with a flame of your own. If you have any questions, please contact us with said email address. Dear mister moderator, I think its save to say that this will not be posible so you might as well lock this thread now as we know that it will happen eventualy. Just like with the 99% of the other threads posted these days.
Tactician Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 17:00:00 - [259] Originally by: kahle Originally by: Tactician Originally by: John McCreedy 11.00 Eve Standard Time: TPAR (Period Basis) Seige day 2: 2 BoB towers down. All ASCN towers refreshed, refueld and out of Reinforced. Blatent lies... how sad you would lower yourself to that. Cant say I'm entirely suprised though. maybe you are starting to believe your own propaganda? I am in TPAR, I can see with my own eyes, BoB have the situation completely under control. I dont see you in TPAR local however...
McMikey Minmatar Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2006.10.07 17:13:00 - [260] All this gloating about kills is rather perplexing. When I look at the ASCN killboards, I see BOB destroying less than double its losses in terms of ISK worth (9.3 bil bob to 17.8 bil ascn). This still does not tell the truth. It seems like almost all BOB BS are T2 fitted. So the 60 odd BOB BS losses are worth a lot more than say 60 typically ASCN BS losses. In addition HACs are counted as 80 million ISK on the boards, yet most are far more. 4 BOB HACs are dying for every ASCN HAC. Maybe BOB is just rich. The point being, irrespective of what BOB wants to paint as reality in this thread, the killboards show a different story. Both sides are dying in the fighting. Hegemonic Core Heavy Industry

Eleese Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.07 17:26:00 - [261] Originally by: McMikey All this gloating about kills is rather perplexing. When I look at the ASCN killboards, I see BOB destroying less than double its losses in terms of ISK worth (9.3 bil bob to 17.8 bil ascn). This still does not tell the truth. It seems like almost all BOB BS are T2 fitted. So the 60 odd BOB BS losses are worth a lot more than say 60 typically ASCN BS losses. In addition HACs are counted as 80 million ISK on the boards, yet most are far more. 4 BOB HACs are dying for every ASCN HAC. Maybe BOB is just rich. The point being, irrespective of what BOB wants to paint as reality in this thread, the killboards show a different story. Both sides are dying in the fighting. Well the problem is using ASCN loss board is like asking a girl how many guys she's slept with.. take the number times it by 3 and it will be alot more accurate :)
BlackRain Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 17:34:00 - [262] Originally by: McMikey The point being, irrespective of what BOB wants to paint as reality in this thread, the killboards show a different story. If you insist on comparing the amounts of kills and losses, use both killboards instead of just one. The ASCN killboard is most likely the best place to track our losses - and as ASCN, at least in the past, has been horribly bad in posting their losses, the best place to find them is at our killboard. On a sidenote it's just funny how people are downplaying our industrial backbone - and at the same time whining because we're flying Tech 2 ships with expensive fittings. Hehe. ------------------- -
Eleese Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.07 17:39:00 - [263] BTW anychance for some solid info on the situation. EG how many moons in total.. how many pos's bob has, how many ascn has. How many in reinforced on each side. Just the facts if possible please? As for all the peeps saying bob are gonna lose etc i actually thinking bob want to lose space. They changed their standing so pretty much all the major alliances are hostile. then invaded everyone in like a rotation system to **** em all of. SO bob wants people to come stick pos's in their space. ANd i bet they are having an absolute blast playing in their home turf for a change. Either way goodluck to both sides hope you both have lots of fun, sure looks like it should be from the outside.
xlop Gallente Yes no maybe - i dont know	Posted - 2006.10.07 17:53:00 - [264] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr The argument is void anyway. It took Cyvok something like 6-8 months to train for titan if i recall a statement made. Not including all the prereq's for carrir's. Plus a similar amount of time just to build the thing. Also it was used using refining tax's because do you really think the whole alliance are going to give vast quantities of their own minerals (as apposed to a small amount im sure they give in corp events) to make more titans? Tax'd minerals were proberbly used because at the end of the day, it's still a game, and players still need to make their own way. 1-2 'maybe' and 1 at a time at that. 15-20? Not a chance. i think you under estimate them, i would guess that the big allainces that wish to hold space or take space over would invest in 10+ titans [considering some averge jo players have motherships seeing a 2000man allaince with 10titans would not suprise me] also from what i her acsn and bob have massive amounts of great t2 BPOs, they could easily fund a 20titan project by using a few months of those BPOs profits. and for training time, there are 40+mil SP players for sale every day on the fourms for isk, so the char would not be a problem i cant wait for the day we see 40dreads pop within 15sec, it will happen, just will take time [if bob did not war ASCN i would bet they would have 15+ titans within 12months] -- Imperial College London FTW --
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 18:02:00 - [265] Edited by: Louisa Torres on 07/10/2006 18:02:54 Originally by: Eleese BTW anychance for some solid info on the situation. EG how many moons in total.. how many pos's bob has, how many ascn has. How many in reinforced on each side. Just the facts if possible please? 79 total moons. ASCN can inform you of BoB pos numbers ;) (we've lost 2 smalls so far, they haven't engaged anything large but ascn lost 2 carriers in the process). 2 (large) ASCN pos are currently in reinforced. 5 (large) ASCN pos have been destroyed. 6 (large) ASCN pos remain. p.s. the rest of your post is pretty spot on ;)
Shrike Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 18:22:00 - [266] Sitrep from TPAR; 82 moons. From a total of 6 BoB POS in system, 2 small POS have been destroyed. From a total of 13 large deployed ASCN towers, 1 is online, 2 reinforced, 2 offline, the rest have been killed. Large fleets from ASCN are trying to make it into TPAR and not succeeding, the last option from ASCN has been to anchor 2 POS outside of TPAR, in TCAG, since they are unable to protect or keep the POS inside TPAR alive. Last reports from inside of ASCN include lots of CAPITALS LETTERS; Quote: 2006.10.06 19:01 THE FRONT LINE OF THIS WAR IS NOW IN PERIOD BASIS. ALL ASCN MEMBERS NEED TO GET ONLINE AND LOCK THAT SYSTEM DOWN FOR THE ENTIRE WEEKEND, LIKE WE DID WITH EC MANY MONTHS AGO. WE CANNOT LOOSE THE ADVANTAGE OF THE ATTACK ON BOB SPACE. WE HAEV DONT THIS BEFORE, WE ARE STRONG THEN WE HAVE EVER BEEN, THE GANG LAST NIGHT DID AN INCREDIABLE JOB ESTABLISHING THE NORMANDY BEACH HEAD LAST NIGHT, NOW WE NEED TO HOLD IT. IT WONT BE EASY, BUT IMAGINE THE OUTCOME OF ASCN TAKING A BOB STATION. -CYVOK- Needless to say, this intel and riling up of their members did not do its job, and we saw more similar messages, in even more cries for backup, shortly after; Quote: 2006.10.06 19:54 Greetings, ASCN is looking to hire you in our effort to bring down BoB once and for all. Both 0.0 and Empire contracts are available. Contract details would be system blockade, logistical hunting (kill BoB freighters) and general destruction of whatever moves in BoB territory. Please respond with your price quote for at least 4 weeks of carnage based attacks on BoB targets in BoB territory and when can you start. ASCN is prepared to offer bonuses in the forum of access to 0.0 space for limited highend mining and ratting pending the outcome of a sucessfully completed contract. Respectfully -CYVOK- As it stands, BoB are firmly holding and securing TPAR, and the dreads are currently on dinnerbreaks after killing POS all day.
INZi coracao ardente	Posted - 2006.10.07 18:39:00 - [267] bob's gonna choke on their own tongues one day. and I'm glad ASCN is there to help em swallow it even further and speed up the process. gl ASCN
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA	Posted - 2006.10.07 18:54:00 - [268] Almost makes me wanna pick a side..go..Xetic?=p... uhhh... nevermind double KO ftw
Hakera Anari Higard	Posted - 2006.10.07 18:54:00 - [269] looking at molle's information, seems the 'beachhead' is not 'open' as yet. Still as many said, kudos for seeing acsn bring it and good luck! I hope when the dust settles both sides are willing to write good accounts of the war like seleene and kiaeddz have done previously for their wars.
Snodgey2004 Mega Modal M0nkeys	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:15:00 - [270] Originally by: Shrike Quote: 2006.10.06 19:54 Greetings, ASCN is looking to hire you in our effort to bring down BoB once and for all. Both 0.0 and Empire contracts are available. Contract details would be system blockade, logistical hunting (kill BoB freighters) and general destruction of whatever moves in BoB territory. Please respond with your price quote for at least 4 weeks of carnage based attacks on BoB targets in BoB territory and when can you start. ASCN is prepared to offer bonuses in the forum of access to 0.0 space for limited highend mining and ratting pending the outcome of a sucessfully completed contract. Respectfully -CYVOK- Interesting , who was the original letter addressed to ? Or are my eyes decieving me and it actually says there .

Toppar Wear Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:21:00 - [271] Originally by: Snodgey2004 Originally by: Shrike Quote: 2006.10.06 19:54 Greetings, ASCN is looking to hire you in our effort to bring down BoB once and for all. Both 0.0 and Empire contracts are available. Contract details would be system blockade, logistical hunting (kill BoB freighters) and general destruction of whatever moves in BoB territory. Please respond with your price quote for at least 4 weeks of carnage based attacks on BoB targets in BoB territory and when can you start. ASCN is prepared to offer bonuses in the forum of access to 0.0 space for limited highend mining and ratting pending the outcome of a sucessfully completed contract. Respectfully -CYVOK- Interesting , who was the original letter addressed to ? Not when its fake, look at it. No gramma errors! It cant be CYVOK¦s
Microsoft Sam Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:21:00 - [272] me im a one man army
CYVOK Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:24:00 - [273] The only true causality of this war so far seems to be friendships. KSUDruid, Eleese, Waagaa Ktlehr: I cannot even believe that you guys were once trusted directors of CLS/ASCN and players I called friend. I swear your accounts have been purchased by smacktards because your posts are so full of crap and hate. Omeega, Dude, their was a time when I had a TON of respect for you that I know was mutual. Now it looks like your no better then the rest of the opportunistic quake kiddies in EvE, what happened? You havenÆt seen anything yet, how are you going to spin it when your stations start changing hands. God forbid the servers actually allow a lag free jump in, what are you going to do when there are 400 ASCN vs 100 BoB with no lag to protect your snipers? As for you amazing kill count, keep playing it up. Deleting kill mails with WCS doesnÆt mean they were not fitted and not posting losses until several days after they happened doesnÆt mean they were not killed. At least ASCN has the courage to jump in and fight instead of sit at 200AU safe spots for 6 hours until the lag is so bad our forces cannot move. Their was a time when I have a GREAT DEAL of respect for BoB and each member of your Alliance. Now however, as each day passes, I see you more as a large glorified Burn Eden afraid to get into a real battle because the kill/loss ratio might be a bit more even. The so called best PvPers in the game and you cant win a fight without Lag, Team Speak Spies, Corporate Moles and a massive propaganda machine. Fact is BoB havenÆt defeated an enemy in over a year. Sure you have decimated some but D2 is stronger then ever, The Goons are thriving, RA & AAA will never be broken and yet you claim victory over them all at one point or another. Spew as much crap as you want on the forums, like certain parties did in WWII, you can win the war in your mind and in the news but the reality of the situation may be much different.
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:34:00 - [274] Originally by: CYVOK Spew as much crap as you want on the forums, like certain parties did in WWII, you can win the war in your mind and in the news but the reality of the situation may be much different. Oh dear.
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:34:00 - [275] Originally by: CYVOK The only true causality of this war so far seems to be friendships. KSUDruid, Eleese, Waagaa Ktlehr: I cannot even believe that you guys were once trusted directors of CLS/ASCN and players I called friend. I swear your accounts have been purchased by smacktards because your posts are so full of crap and hate. Omeega, Dude, their was a time when I had a TON of respect for you that I know was mutual. Now it looks like your no better then the rest of the opportunistic quake kiddies in EvE, what happened? You havenÆt seen anything yet, how are you going to spin it when your stations start changing hands. God forbid the servers actually allow a lag free jump in, what are you going to do when there are 400 ASCN vs 100 BoB with no lag to protect your snipers? As for you amazing kill count, keep playing it up. Deleting kill mails with WCS doesnÆt mean they were not fitted and not posting losses until several days after they happened doesnÆt mean they were not killed. At least ASCN has the courage to jump in and fight instead of sit at 200AU safe spots for 6 hours until the lag is so bad our forces cannot move. Their was a time when I have a GREAT DEAL of respect for BoB and each member of your Alliance. Now however, as each day passes, I see you more as a large glorified Burn Eden afraid to get into a real battle because the kill/loss ratio might be a bit more even. The so called best PvPers in the game and you cant win a fight without Lag, Team Speak Spies, Corporate Moles and a massive propaganda machine. Fact is BoB havenÆt defeated an enemy in over a year. Sure you have decimated some but D2 is stronger then ever, The Goons are thriving, RA & AAA will never be broken and yet you claim victory over them all at one point or another. Spew as much crap as you want on the forums, like certain parties did in WWII, you can win the war in your mind and in the news but the reality of the situation may be much different. OMG, do u really belive half of that crap uself? what would bob do 100vs400. first bring the 400 and of theres no lag i asure u we will fight. for the part about us not posting kills and edit and what else u claim u must be on a diffrent planet. if the kill arent on u kb how can u claim u killed some then?. come on cyvok dont make u self that bitter its a game u seem to think cause ppl are now fighting u they are u enemys rl also. u need to start Act more then talk whit huge alliance of yours cause atm u looking worse and worse every min there goes. snip Don't be nasty [email protected] to discuss mod - Cathath i am not nasty
Monarch Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:34:00 - [276] Originally by: CYVOK The only true causality of this war so far seems to be friendships. KSUDruid, Eleese, Waagaa Ktlehr: I cannot even believe that you guys were once trusted directors of CLS/ASCN and players I called friend. I swear your accounts have been purchased by smacktards because your posts are so full of crap and hate. Omeega, Dude, their was a time when I had a TON of respect for you that I know was mutual. Now it looks like your no better then the rest of the opportunistic quake kiddies in EvE, what happened? You havenÆt seen anything yet, how are you going to spin it when your stations start changing hands. God forbid the servers actually allow a lag free jump in, what are you going to do when there are 400 ASCN vs 100 BoB with no lag to protect your snipers? As for you amazing kill count, keep playing it up. Deleting kill mails with WCS doesnÆt mean they were not fitted and not posting losses until several days after they happened doesnÆt mean they were not killed. At least ASCN has the courage to jump in and fight instead of sit at 200AU safe spots for 6 hours until the lag is so bad our forces cannot move. Their was a time when I have a GREAT DEAL of respect for BoB and each member of your Alliance. Now however, as each day passes, I see you more as a large glorified Burn Eden afraid to get into a real battle because the kill/loss ratio might be a bit more even. The so called best PvPers in the game and you cant win a fight without Lag, Team Speak Spies, Corporate Moles and a massive propaganda machine. Fact is BoB havenÆt defeated an enemy in over a year. Sure you have decimated some but D2 is stronger then ever, The Goons are thriving, RA & AAA will never be broken and yet you claim victory over them all at one point or another. Spew as much crap as you want on the forums, like certain parties did in WWII, you can win the war in your mind and in the news but the reality of the situation may be much different. Cry us a river.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:36:00 - [277] Oh dear someone's got the fear. Eve Blacklight Style
Microsoft Sam Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:37:00 - [278] its impossible to win a war in eve, anyone and everyone knows that.. most of all you should know that.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:37:00 - [279] This forum took over you to much. Nice sig though, Cyvok Discussing moderation in your signature is bad. Don't do it- Tirg Imperial Academy is currently recruiting Paragol Soul residents
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:39:00 - [280] I gotta say that I agree with a couple of points CYVOK made. Especially with regards to those old ASCN/CLS guys now in BoB. That being said, the post is just asking for another 10 pages of flames in this thread.

ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:42:00 - [281] holy whaaaaaaaaa cyvok. Do any of the things you have threatened since this started, then talk. Untill then, keep crying. It's not our fault your fc's suck, and you have no organization, security, or leadership. Suprise suprise... fighting a war isin't like building a station..... Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Carth Jared Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:42:00 - [282] Originally by: Shin Ra I gotta say that I agree with a couple of points CYVOK made. Especially with regards to those old ASCN/CLS guys now in BoB. That being said, the post is just asking for another 10 pages of flames in this thread. Problem with this is that 2 of the ppl he mentioned are in the MC, not BoB. And if you check their posts you will find no such hatred he is speaking of.
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:42:00 - [283] You gotta hate that BoB "Lame Node" thing
Aeleva Caldari Hegemonic Core Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:43:00 - [284] Agree at least in part with Cyvok, and what an example he posts and bob forum warriors go to work. We shall have to see how things turn out, untill then speculation is a bit pointless.
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:46:00 - [285] Originally by: Aeleva Agree at least in part with Cyvok, and what an example he posts and bob forum warriors go to work. We shall have to see how things turn out, untill then speculation is a bit pointless. Speculaton?? hes so uber allaince have 132 ppl next door to our 100 man gang and he have 40-50 in our sys ???? thats how good they are. snip Don't be nasty [email protected] to discuss mod - Cathath i am not nasty
RogerWilco Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:48:00 - [286] CYVOK - check your killboard, compare it to the bob board, and then make a formal excuse for that post... u bring shame to your whole alliance.
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:48:00 - [287] lol@cyvok Bitter much are we? Not seen any stations change hands yet. Yours or ours, so lets keep speculation to a minimum, otherwise someone might start eating their words. As for 100v400 - sounds like a dream tbh. Helps if you leave your POS's though; and doesn't help when you demote FC's on the spot on TS for botched POS ops. ooopsies. As for mass blobbing of an epic scale at 6AM game time, when we're at lowest numbers, i guess that's how the game works, can't really complain about that. Yet, when we run 25 BS in 160+ gang of you guys, then that gets me going. Have yet to see any ASCN FC with the stones to fight, or even try to fight like that. you mumble on about 400v100 cos thats the only way you'll fight. As for some muppet that said 'hey bob, everytime you kill a carebear, you just make them better'. Crap. Newsflash: They're not jedi's. How in the hell will they learn anything when their FC tactics don't go beyond 'Ok guys, don't move out this pos until we manage to get 3 times their numbers!! OK!! you ALL got that?!! - plz do it, i don't want to get demoted on TS, guys ....... plz ....... guys?!!'. Kudos on the POS spam. You just made this much much much more boring for everyone involved ... and for the sake of our Dread pilots, plz try and put some guns on the next ones you lash up... oh, and try turning half of them on as well. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03!
Kanoubi Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:49:00 - [288] Edited by: Kanoubi on 07/10/2006 19:52:03 Originally by: Shin Ra I gotta say that I agree with a couple of points CYVOK made. Especially with regards to those old ASCN/CLS guys now in BoB. That being said, the post is just asking for another 10 pages of flames in this thread. There are people loyal to friendship . Sometimes people forget the trued in it Its just a game correct ? ... wrong , very wrong Its another "war" cyvok , me and many other have to fight .
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:49:00 - [289] Edited by: Dr Einkeisel on 07/10/2006 19:50:25 erm... Prove we are deleting warp core stabs from our kill mails ? Prove we are posting them days later ? Pure speculation to try and discredit us. Things you cant deny is your loosing badly, you lack orginisation and logistics. What was the point in bringing all them large pos only to put 6 online and leave the others anchored in space for us to blow up. Maybe you should try and be at a battle for once instead of sat in that useless peace of junk in your POS shields all the way back in azn. And if you was there last night you would know that we jumped into you ! Our support jumped through the gate and began to attack you, not our fault your cr acked up FC's told your battleships to jump through the gate and get killed one by one. Bring 400 pilots we welcome it, I wouldn't mind having a bash at beating yesterdays tally. And as for you saying D2 etc are all growing in strengh, well people told us for months why not go and attack somone on the same level etc like ASCN? well we did and now your saying why dont you go and attack somone else who can defend themselfs. For the past few months on these forums your guys and others have been quite contempt in putting yourself in the same bracket as ourselfs, aka the big 4... Now your whining when the heat is on. No matter what BOB do in this game people will whine and tbh we dont care You might be a great industrialist, you might be great at building nice big ships, but actually putting them into application you are useless, and your spin about the more you fight bob the better you will get, how will you get better if your dead before you get to press f1 f2 f3 f4
Coranor Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:52:00 - [290] Originally by: CYVOK The only true causality of this war so far seems to be friendships. KSUDruid, Eleese, Waagaa Ktlehr: I cannot even believe that you guys were once trusted directors of CLS/ASCN and players I called friend. I swear your accounts have been purchased by smacktards because your posts are so full of crap and hate. Omeega, Dude, their was a time when I had a TON of respect for you that I know was mutual. Now it looks like your no better then the rest of the opportunistic quake kiddies in EvE, what happened? You havenÆt seen anything yet, how are you going to spin it when your stations start changing hands. God forbid the servers actually allow a lag free jump in, what are you going to do when there are 400 ASCN vs 100 BoB with no lag to protect your snipers? As for you amazing kill count, keep playing it up. Deleting kill mails with WCS doesnÆt mean they were not fitted and not posting losses until several days after they happened doesnÆt mean they were not killed. At least ASCN has the courage to jump in and fight instead of sit at 200AU safe spots for 6 hours until the lag is so bad our forces cannot move. Their was a time when I have a GREAT DEAL of respect for BoB and each member of your Alliance. Now however, as each day passes, I see you more as a large glorified Burn Eden afraid to get into a real battle because the kill/loss ratio might be a bit more even. The so called best PvPers in the game and you cant win a fight without Lag, Team Speak Spies, Corporate Moles and a massive propaganda machine. Fact is BoB havenÆt defeated an enemy in over a year. Sure you have decimated some but D2 is stronger then ever, The Goons are thriving, RA & AAA will never be broken and yet you claim victory over them all at one point or another. Spew as much crap as you want on the forums, like certain parties did in WWII, you can win the war in your mind and in the news but the reality of the situation may be much different. You've lost the plot man. Its a game. Nothing here to be accusing your own friends of being full of hate and crap. --------------

Microsoft Sam Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:55:00 - [291] THIS IS A GAME YOU SILLY MANBOY..
shakaZ XIV Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:55:00 - [292] Originally by: Cyvok At least ASCN has the courage to jump in and fight Right. So far it always had to be US that jumped into YOU to get a fight, while YOU have the bubbles, fighters, good battleship starting position and superior numbers on your side. Or are you perhaps hinting at the situation yesterday in TCAG/TPAR, when our support fleet forced your battleships to choose between dying in jumprange or jumping into our battleship fleet? (They picked the latter, and subsequently logged off RA style, to get out of bubbles)
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 19:56:00 - [293] Oh and another thing you might want to tell your guys to watch they dont drift in the POS's they have a terrible habbit of drifting outside the shields and dieing.
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:03:00 - [294] Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 07/10/2006 20:04:13
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:04:00 - [295] Quote: You havenÆt seen anything yet, how are you going to spin it when your stations start changing hands. God forbid the servers actually allow a lag free jump in, what are you going to do when there are 400 ASCN vs 100 BoB with no lag to protect your snipers? So what you're saying is the only way you are going to be able to win is bring 4 times what BOB have? To be quite honest you call Waagaa a smacktard, Waagaa as far as I have seen hasn't posted anything that is smacky.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:06:00 - [296] Originally by: CYVOK Spew as much crap as you want on the forums, like certain parties did in WWII, you can win the war in your mind and in the news but the reality of the situation may be much different. So shiny (USA military) knight what are we like? ****, Soviet Union, Japan, Italy? Or maybe: Spain, Romania, Hungary? Or maybe: GB, USA, Yugoslavia, France? Or last choice, you confused lunatic: nowadays USA. Just make sure you take your pick wisely. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:09:00 - [297] Originally by: CYVOK Spew as much crap as you want on the forums, like certain parties did in WWII, you can win the war in your mind and in the news but the reality of the situation may be much different. Take your own advice CYVOK. You're the one spewing lies and mistruths to your poor deluded member base. I seriously think you need to have a chat with the leadership of the PA of old and ask them where their deception landed them in the long run. Your accusations of us "waiting until the lag is at its worst" is frankly hilarious. Last night in TPAR we sat with equal forces on either side of a gate for several hours waiting for you to jump in (since we were the defenders this is ofc logical). Seeing as you didn't seem to want to we went back to shooting at your pos's which caused the node to crash, and again and again. After the third node crash your fleet finally managed to find that TPAR gate in TCAG and get within jump range, at this point we sent half of our fleet in to TCAG and ASCN jumped in to the rest of us with pretty abysmal results. So who exactly was it that was "waiting for the lag"?
WireFox	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:09:00 - [298] Originally by: CYVOK At least ASCN has the courage to jump in and fight I've been sitting here and waiting till ASCN comeout of the POS and/or jump the 2nd group in, for 5 HRS. Come on Jump in already, i need to go get drunk. ASCN got no "courage to jump in and fight". They wait till BOB get 5 ppl online then and only then they'll have "courage to jump in and fight".
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:11:00 - [299] Originally by: Traxio Nacho So what you're saying is the only way you are going to be able to win is bring 4 times what BOB have? To be quite honest you call Waagaa a smacktard, Waagaa as far as I have seen hasn't posted anything that is smacky. Nothing wrong in trying to use a numbers advantage as there's nothing wrong with trying to get the advantage of a long term uber sp's recruitment policy. Everyone has their own strenghts and weaknesses.
Josiah Bartlet Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:11:00 - [300] ugh That's a good start towards making this a blood fued. I got news for you (perhaps you read as well as write?) its your 'fleet' battleships that are gimped and fitting stabs, not the other way around judging by looking at both sides loss mails.

Zardock Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:12:00 - [301] Edited by: Zardock on 07/10/2006 20:11:57 Kudos to ASCN for bringing it to us. Well... Sort of. After all you've been sitting in TCAG's POS all day.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:14:00 - [302] Originally by: Moghydin Nothing wrong in trying to use a numbers advantage as there's nothing wrong with trying to get the advantage of a long term uber sp's recruitment policy. Everyone has their own strenghts and weaknesses. Nothing wrong there, tbh. But then at least stick to your ways and dont post something like..."At least ASCN have guts to jump in...." Discussing moderation in your signature is bad. Don't do it- Tirg Imperial Academy is currently recruiting Paragol Soul residents
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:16:00 - [303] Originally by: shakaZ XIV Originally by: Cyvok At least ASCN has the courage to jump in and fight Right. So far it always had to be US that jumped into YOU to get a fight, while YOU have the bubbles, fighters, good battleship starting position and superior numbers on your side. Or are you perhaps hinting at the situation yesterday in TCAG/TPAR, when our support fleet forced your battleships to choose between dying in jumprange or jumping into our battleship fleet? (They picked the latter, and subsequently logged off RA style, to get out of bubbles) And drones, don't forget that. They really help at lagging people out and crashing nodes, but who cares. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
wizzard66 Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:17:00 - [304] Originally by: CYVOK ...Now it looks like your no better then the rest of the opportunistic quake kiddies in EvE, what happened? Look Ma!!! He called me an oppustriunistricicis quake kiddie!! Can we call uncle Earl and sue him??
Ordo Abchao Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:20:00 - [305] Originally by: CYVOK The only true causality of this war so far seems to be friendships. KSUDruid, Eleese, Waagaa Ktlehr: I cannot even believe that you guys were once trusted directors of CLS/ASCN and players I called friend. I swear your accounts have been purchased by smacktards because your posts are so full of crap and hate. Omeega, Dude, their was a time when I had a TON of respect for you that I know was mutual. Now it looks like your no better then the rest of the opportunistic quake kiddies in EvE, what happened? You havenÆt seen anything yet, how are you going to spin it when your stations start changing hands. God forbid the servers actually allow a lag free jump in, what are you going to do when there are 400 ASCN vs 100 BoB with no lag to protect your snipers? As for you amazing kill count, keep playing it up. Deleting kill mails with WCS doesnÆt mean they were not fitted and not posting losses until several days after they happened doesnÆt mean they were not killed. At least ASCN has the courage to jump in and fight instead of sit at 200AU safe spots for 6 hours until the lag is so bad our forces cannot move. Their was a time when I have a GREAT DEAL of respect for BoB and each member of your Alliance. Now however, as each day passes, I see you more as a large glorified Burn Eden afraid to get into a real battle because the kill/loss ratio might be a bit more even. The so called best PvPers in the game and you cant win a fight without Lag, Team Speak Spies, Corporate Moles and a massive propaganda machine. Fact is BoB havenÆt defeated an enemy in over a year. Sure you have decimated some but D2 is stronger then ever, The Goons are thriving, RA & AAA will never be broken and yet you claim victory over them all at one point or another. Spew as much crap as you want on the forums, like certain parties did in WWII, you can win the war in your mind and in the news but the reality of the situation may be much different. Firstly i would like to mention this is a game, and even as such, even in real life, so called friends change to enemies faster than night turns to daylight. Secondly shame on you. Shame on you for acusing us of something we have no reigns over and items that mean virtualy nothing in the end of it all. Kill mails get posted whenever the player gets to it, same with loss mails, some players get frustrated and do not log in for days when they lose a ship, this cannot be helped, and this is not a problem with bob alone, players in your own alliance have waited days before posting, whether they were around or not does not matter, it happens, and let it be as such. Lag is nothing we can control, and we ourselves have fallen victim to it, many of the losses we sustained today were because our clients froze up, and the only reason we sustained so few losses was because our gang leaders were quick to respond to such a problem. To say we conscioucly attempt to time something we have no control over is foolish and makes me wonder what kind of logic runs through your head. We jumped into you, we do it many times over and over, we have let you jump in, and we have even engaged your fleets of 80-120 bs' full on with a mear 10-20 bs'. Say what you like, but when your men will not engage in similar situations and with greater numbers you're just making yourself look like a fool. Respect, friendship, lies, deceit, you sound like you're the white knight and we are the dirt covered peasents. You have people logging into our ts trying to find out our numbers online. You have people not posting killmails when they die, You are the ones with the gangs of 200+. We both have our ugly sides. CYVOK, stop being petty and allowing emotions to lead you into posting on these forums as you are just making yourself, and your alliance look like fools. Do what you do best, and lead your alliance, either to vitory, or to defeat, it is up to you to decide. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK- Order out of Chaos
Deathsoul Caldari Evolution	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:30:00 - [306] Edited by: Deathsoul on 07/10/2006 20:32:34 Originally by: CYVOK The only true causality of this war so far seems to be friendships. At least ASCN has the courage to jump in and fight instead of sit at 200AU safe spots for 6 hours until the lag is so bad our forces cannot move. Strange, the 7 fights i have had with your ppl has been the way we jumped in, maby you need to talk to those so named FC of yours (theyr joke, but thats another story) about the facts who has the courage.
Eleese Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:33:00 - [307] Originally by: CYVOK The only true causality of this war so far seems to be friendships. KSUDruid, Eleese, Waagaa Ktlehr: I cannot even believe that you guys were once trusted directors of CLS/ASCN and players I called friend. I swear your accounts have been purchased by smacktards because your posts are so full of crap and hate. Omeega, Dude, their was a time when I had a TON of respect for you that I know was mutual. Now it looks like your no better then the rest of the opportunistic quake kiddies in EvE, what happened? You havenÆt seen anything yet, how are you going to spin it when your stations start changing hands. God forbid the servers actually allow a lag free jump in, what are you going to do when there are 400 ASCN vs 100 BoB with no lag to protect your snipers? As for you amazing kill count, keep playing it up. Deleting kill mails with WCS doesnÆt mean they were not fitted and not posting losses until several days after they happened doesnÆt mean they were not killed. At least ASCN has the courage to jump in and fight instead of sit at 200AU safe spots for 6 hours until the lag is so bad our forces cannot move. Their was a time when I have a GREAT DEAL of respect for BoB and each member of your Alliance. Now however, as each day passes, I see you more as a large glorified Burn Eden afraid to get into a real battle because the kill/loss ratio might be a bit more even. The so called best PvPers in the game and you cant win a fight without Lag, Team Speak Spies, Corporate Moles and a massive propaganda machine. Fact is BoB havenÆt defeated an enemy in over a year. Sure you have decimated some but D2 is stronger then ever, The Goons are thriving, RA & AAA will never be broken and yet you claim victory over them all at one point or another. Spew as much crap as you want on the forums, like certain parties did in WWII, you can win the war in your mind and in the news but the reality of the situation may be much different. Are you joking the only comment i made was with reguards to your killboard. I made reference to the fact ascn's loss posting isnt very accurate something yourself and former leaders/members of ascn have always defended including myself that you dont enforce losses to be posted and dont really care. That is not an insult merely a joke which isnt very offensive. And secondly i posted that bob wanted this for the last 6months+ which is true i was a member of bob and i understand the way they work. I have posted no crap, i have posted pretty well educated and neutral questions and made pretty neutral points. I dont care who wins i merely wish i was part of it, its a game designed for fun and this war looks fun. I asked for the moon situation because i was interested i have friends on both sides and curiosity got the better of me as everyone was claiming pos's were dying or ok and i wanted numbers rather than opinions on the situation.
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:37:00 - [308] Originally by: CYVOK The only true causality of this war so far seems to be friendships. KSUDruid, Eleese, Waagaa Ktlehr: I cannot even believe that you guys were once trusted directors of CLS/ASCN and players I called friend. I swear your accounts have been purchased by smacktards because your posts are so full of crap and hate. Omeega, Dude, their was a time when I had a TON of respect for you that I know was mutual. Now it looks like your no better then the rest of the opportunistic quake kiddies in EvE, what happened? You havenÆt seen anything yet, how are you going to spin it when your stations start changing hands. God forbid the servers actually allow a lag free jump in, what are you going to do when there are 400 ASCN vs 100 BoB with no lag to protect your snipers? As for you amazing kill count, keep playing it up. Deleting kill mails with WCS doesnÆt mean they were not fitted and not posting losses until several days after they happened doesnÆt mean they were not killed. At least ASCN has the courage to jump in and fight instead of sit at 200AU safe spots for 6 hours until the lag is so bad our forces cannot move. Their was a time when I have a GREAT DEAL of respect for BoB and each member of your Alliance. Now however, as each day passes, I see you more as a large glorified Burn Eden afraid to get into a real battle because the kill/loss ratio might be a bit more even. The so called best PvPers in the game and you cant win a fight without Lag, Team Speak Spies, Corporate Moles and a massive propaganda machine. Fact is BoB havenÆt defeated an enemy in over a year. Sure you have decimated some but D2 is stronger then ever, The Goons are thriving, RA & AAA will never be broken and yet you claim victory over them all at one point or another. Spew as much crap as you want on the forums, like certain parties did in WWII, you can win the war in your mind and in the news but the reality of the situation may be much different. That's an interesting theory you got going there Cryvok. Hopefully your coolaid factories are working overtime to keep your troops believing it.
Wesley Walker Hedion University	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:37:00 - [309] Damnit bob how do you do it? You jump into our gang, after a minute or two the node crashes every time, before we get 2 people logged back in you have 25 relogged and back on the gate to gank those trying to log back in - i wish i had your client optimising skills This is the 4th time I have tried to fight you in fleet ops and the 4th time this has happened. I am not calling sploit, not calling cheat or anything, just calling CCP out for a lame and frustrating game atm.
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:39:00 - [310] Edited by: Afonso Henriques on 07/10/2006 20:39:19 Originally by: Wesley Walker Damnit bob how do you do it? You jump into our gang, after a minute or two the node crashes every time, before we get 2 people logged back in you have 25 relogged and back on the gate to gank those trying to log back in - i wish i had your client optimising skills This is the 4th time I have tried to fight you in fleet ops and the 4th time this has happened. I am not calling sploit, not calling cheat or anything, just calling CCP out for a lame and frustrating game atm. You've had your posts moderated many many times. Hopefully they banz0r your ass soon. followow the rules or GTFO

Aegis Osiris Gallente Demonic Retribution Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:41:00 - [311] Since this seems to be the major 'show' in EVE atm, I (as well as most others that even glance at this forum) am watching to see what happens :) I do have a couple of questions, hoping to clarify some points just so folks can get a clearer picture of whats happening. 1. About the 75 to 1 BS ratio for that one day; one BoB pilot mentioned that a number of these kills occurred from the push that BoB ran at the TPAR gate. That pilot mentioned that people crashed, and relogged, or didnt crash, and uncloaked, in ones and twos, hence the turkey shoot (not being negative, anyone else would have done the same if the situation was reversed). Are these kills part of the 75, or were the 75 done all in 'normal' fleet actions (ie. all friendlies and hostiles active, or as active as the servers allow atm lol)? 2. Obviously, a sizable number of those kills occurred during fleet actions in system (I think?). During these, when BoB was running with 17-25 BS, did you recieve reasonable amounts of return fire? 3. What is the current count of BoB and ASCN POS's destroyed/reinforced/active (any chance of a dual confirmation here, from both parties)? I saw 2 posts 20 minutes apart that were considerably different (including adding a couple of moons to TPAR lol, though thats just a counting error. 4. Has resistance at the POS's been active? 5. Finally, did anyone, either BoB or ASCN, remember to pack fresh undies? Your mom's wanted me to ask.... :) Inquiring minds (or, well, mind) want to know :) ps. Understand, my initial questions are not meant to degrade a sizable kill/loss ratio. Its just that 75-1 when both sides are active and can hit each other is a different story then some when both are active, some when 1 side can hit while the other can't, and when someone has a combination of poor timing and bad luck. ________________________________________________ This thread does not exist
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:42:00 - [312] Edited by: Sir JoJo on 07/10/2006 20:43:41 Originally by: Wesley Walker Damnit bob how do you do it? You jump into our gang, after a minute or two the node crashes every time, before we get 2 people logged back in you have 25 relogged and back on the gate to gank those trying to log back in - i wish i had your client optimising skills some times i wonder what planet ppl are on. dude we crasged just like u and just like u rellogged right away dont come whit u lame acusastion cause u all out there where its getting more and more ridicules. snip Don't be nasty [email protected] to discuss mod - Cathath i am not nasty
Trooper B99 Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:42:00 - [313] Edited by: Trooper B99 on 07/10/2006 20:42:41 Originally by: CYVOK The only true causality of this war so far seems to be friendships. KSUDruid, Eleese, Waagaa Ktlehr: I cannot even believe that you guys were once trusted directors of CLS/ASCN and players I called friend. I swear your accounts have been purchased by smacktards because your posts are so full of crap and hate. Omeega, Dude, their was a time when I had a TON of respect for you that I know was mutual. Now it looks like your no better then the rest of the opportunistic quake kiddies in EvE, what happened? I dislike it when people loose sight of the game we're playing. I know i do it from time to time, but . . . well CYVOCK, not to be nasty or anything, but rather than all your friends and respected aquaintances changing, could it be that its you thats changing? I read certain posts and it seems that I just see "fortress mentality" and "demonising former friends" and its just sad to see. Could be wrong of course though. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
sweetgirl Minmatar The Flying Dutchmen	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:52:00 - [314] BOB (bastards off Bandwagons) are good at 1 thing only and thats smacking on the forums and exploiting loging tactics
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:53:00 - [315] Originally by: sweetgirl BOB (bastards off Bandwagons) are good at 1 thing only and thats smacking on the forums and exploiting loging tactics Nice flamebait, not falling for it though ;)
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:56:00 - [316] Originally by: sweetgirl BOB (bastards off Bandwagons) are good at 1 thing only and thats smacking on the forums and exploiting loging tactics Huh ... it took me 5 minutes to jump into your drones you deployed FAST in tcag, then node luckily died and i could not login for 5-10minutes. Now since you are insulting us here, please show me bandwaggon, and login exploits. If you think we did exploit, ask ccp to boost nodes or some other magic to keep servers stable. Everytime WE jump, node dies. You never jumped so just stfu. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:57:00 - [317] This topic is going to get the eve world record on replies :-) ----------------------------------
jernej Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.07 20:59:00 - [318] Originally by: Wesley Walker Edited by: Wesley Walker on 07/10/2006 20:50:01 you are right, sorry, just frustrated with the state of gameplay atm. We sit there with a black screen for 5min and we KNOW that every one of our 'brothers' is doing the same. And we know that you sit there with a black screen and ASK yourself how many of your hobbit friends will log in.
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:01:00 - [319] Node stability seem now crappier than before that "magic" hardware upgrade. Looks like the cluster is totally uncapable of supporting fleet battles.
Ria Sotori Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:01:00 - [320] The logic some of you guys profess truly is hysterical. From the top down the humor keeps the game fun. Please keep it up ASCN. Oh and Cyvok..... take a vaction sir. Your gonna bust a blood vessel. Your getting that bunker mentality and its only been a week. androsix > GM: can you please enforce a truce while the rest of ASCN/AXE ships can log in

Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:08:00 - [321] Originally by: jernej,BoB pilot We sit there with a black screen for 5min and we KNOW that every one of our 'brothers' is doing the same. And we know that you sit there with a black screen and ASK yourself how many of your hobbit friends will log in. ..and this imo will be the deciding factor in this war...
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:09:00 - [322] Originally by: sweetgirl BOB (bastards off Bandwagons) are good at 1 thing only and thats smacking on the forums and exploiting loging tactics "Member of ASCN Killerco's 2nd account" Nice bio, says it all really.
Nepereta DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:09:00 - [323] friends and enemies, How I wish lag didn't exist. The fights are probably gonna cause people to leave Eve because we are severely scaled up way beyond what the server can handle. We are too big you are too big. Biggest industrial leviathan v biggest PvP leviathan = cancelled accounts due to the game not matching the playability we need. I absolutely want to see 300 V 300 battles with out everything going into lag I want to fight and honor your presence your history and the whole BoB shebang and do the same for my allies. We seriously need to engage CCP and say look biggest battle in the history of history we need to play this out! Love and lag free war for all Originally by: CC 3 Cybok and lacky's REVENGE WILL BE SWEAT ILL BE BACK
Ordo Abchao Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:11:00 - [324] Originally by: Aegis Osiris Since this seems to be the major 'show' in EVE atm, I (as well as most others that even glance at this forum) am watching to see what happens :) I do have a couple of questions, hoping to clarify some points just so folks can get a clearer picture of whats happening. 1. About the 75 to 1 BS ratio for that one day; one BoB pilot mentioned that a number of these kills occurred from the push that BoB ran at the TPAR gate. That pilot mentioned that people crashed, and relogged, or didnt crash, and uncloaked, in ones and twos, hence the turkey shoot (not being negative, anyone else would have done the same if the situation was reversed). Are these kills part of the 75, or were the 75 done all in 'normal' fleet actions (ie. all friendlies and hostiles active, or as active as the servers allow atm lol)? 2. Obviously, a sizable number of those kills occurred during fleet actions in system (I think?). During these, when BoB was running with 17-25 BS, did you recieve reasonable amounts of return fire? 3. What is the current count of BoB and ASCN POS's destroyed/reinforced/active (any chance of a dual confirmation here, from both parties)? I saw 2 posts 20 minutes apart that were considerably different (including adding a couple of moons to TPAR lol, though thats just a counting error. 4. Has resistance at the POS's been active? 5. Finally, did anyone, either BoB or ASCN, remember to pack fresh undies? Your mom's wanted me to ask.... :) Inquiring minds (or, well, mind) want to know :) ps. Understand, my initial questions are not meant to degrade a sizable kill/loss ratio. Its just that 75-1 when both sides are active and can hit each other is a different story then some when both are active, some when 1 side can hit while the other can't, and when someone has a combination of poor timing and bad luck. 1) About 20 were from that situation, of which 2 were fully 100% legit (they were killed in tcag before they jumped in) while the rest you'd have to get the pilots individual stories. 2) A lot of return fire, at times it was up to 6x our bs numbers. People were structured, armored, etc. 3) I'm not 100% on this, but we lost 2 small pos' with little in the way of extra modules. They have lost roughly 5 large, of which one had a corporate array. The full numbers were posted earlier in the thread. 4) I wasn't there for their pos destructions, but for our own, we had a gang of 33(at the peak), of which 17 were bs', they had 190 people(at peak), of which 12 were capital ships. We lost four bs' protecting our small pos', they lost four bs and two carriers. Hope that helps clear some details up. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK- Order out of Chaos
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:19:00 - [325] Cyvok: You still don't get it do you, old friend. This is a game. The forums are part of the game. If you truly feel the need to 'hate' me because of anything I say in-character, or who I shoot in-game, might I suggest taking a break for a while. In-game, as Cyvok, you're a liar and a Delusional leader who's own alliance members hate and loath, and follow only because of fear. Hell your entire style of leadership has always been based on fear and paranoia, that's part of the reason I left ASCN roughly 1 year ago. You were never gonna get it, and you're not getting it now. Your brash little offensive into TPAR was nothing more than a dying cry from an alliance that gave up on themselves months ago. Since you're so fond of making real life references to World War 2, I'll make one myself. The Battle of the Bulge, read up on it, make comparisons to what you're doing now, and then get back to me. You may "Hate" me, but I will never hate another human being, for anything he does while In-Character, and In-Game. You're welcome to chat with me concerning anything, anytime you like. -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
Monarch Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:23:00 - [326] Edited by: Monarch on 07/10/2006 21:25:49 Originally by: Afonso Henriques Originally by: sweetgirl BOB (bastards off Bandwagons) are good at 1 thing only and thats smacking on the forums and exploiting loging tactics "Member of ASCN Killerco's 2nd account" Nice bio, says it all really. Pwnd and he is a "silly waffle eater" like our beloved CEO
Havras the Organ Grinder and Company Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:23:00 - [327] Edited by: Havras on 07/10/2006 21:27:29 You know.. I wasn't going to reply to these topics anymore but.... To the numerous players of BoB... You all start getting **ed off whenever ANYONE contradicts your propaganda. Perhaps you should ALL read through your various posts since this war started and see the amount of venom and hate you all spew through your varying levels of smack mastery.... And you wonder why someone might eventually get ed off at it and fire back with some heat? Take a good, solid, objective view at some of the things most of your players have said on these forums. If you could be honest with yourself you might see that perhaps there are reasons pople outside your little "club" get **ed off at you. Ad P.S. Don't start saying how it was all posted in the name of fun. You know it is BS to say that, everyone that reads thee boards knows it is BS to say so.
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:25:00 - [328] Originally by: Havras You know.. I wasn't going to reply to these topics anymore but.... To the numerous players of BoB... You all start getting **ed off whenever ANYONE contradicts your propaganda. Perhaps you should ALL read through your various posts since this war started and see the amount of venom and hate you all spew through your varying levels of smack mastery.... And you wonder why someone might eventually get ed off at it and fire back with some heat? Take a good, solid, objective view at some of the things most of your players have said on these forums. If you could be honest with yourself you might see that perhaps there are reasons pople outside your little "club" get ed off at you. Originally by:** sweetgirl BOB (bastards off Bandwagons) are good at 1 thing only and thats smacking on the forums and exploiting loging tactics "Member of ASCN Killerco's 2nd account" Nice bio, says it all really. Look at crap your people spew before acussing others nub.
oDDiTy V2 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:27:00 - [329] Edited by: oDDiTy V2 on 07/10/2006 21:28:02 Originally by: Havras Edited by: Havras on 07/10/2006 21:27:29 You know.. I wasn't going to reply to these topics anymore but.... To the numerous players of BoB... You all start getting ****ed off whenever ANYONE contradicts your propaganda. Facts != Propaganda.
sweetgirl Minmatar The Flying Dutchmen	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:28:00 - [330] Originally by: Afonso Henriques Originally by: sweetgirl BOB (bastards off Bandwagons) are good at 1 thing only and thats smacking on the forums and exploiting loging tactics "Member of ASCN Killerco's 2nd account" Nice bio, says it all really. do you believe anything that says in a bio? If so i'll change it in free titan bpo for the first who eve mail me

Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:31:00 - [331] Originally by: sweetgirl Originally by: Afonso Henriques Originally by: sweetgirl BOB (bastards off Bandwagons) are good at 1 thing only and thats smacking on the forums and exploiting loging tactics "Member of ASCN Killerco's 2nd account" Nice bio, says it all really. do you believe anything that says in a bio? If so i'll change it in free titan bpo for the first who eve mail me rofl, ok so you arent an ascn member? If you goal is to embarass your alliance keep on posting your weak spin. Oh and employment histories are a dead give away.
sweetgirl Minmatar The Flying Dutchmen	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:34:00 - [332] Originally by: Afonso Henriques Originally by: sweetgirl Originally by: Afonso Henriques Originally by: sweetgirl BOB (bastards off Bandwagons) are good at 1 thing only and thats smacking on the forums and exploiting loging tactics "Member of ASCN Killerco's 2nd account" Nice bio, says it all really. do you believe anything that says in a bio? If so i'll change it in free titan bpo for the first who eve mail me rofl, ok so you arent an ascn member? If you goal is to embarass your alliance keep on posting your weak spin. Oh and employment histories are a dead give away. your correct i'm not a ascn member any more i just hate killerco for kicking me out off ascn
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:36:00 - [333] Originally by: sweetgirl Originally by: Afonso Henriques Originally by: sweetgirl Originally by: Afonso Henriques Originally by: sweetgirl BOB (bastards off Bandwagons) are good at 1 thing only and thats smacking on the forums and exploiting loging tactics "Member of ASCN Killerco's 2nd account" Nice bio, says it all really. do you believe anything that says in a bio? If so i'll change it in free titan bpo for the first who eve mail me rofl, ok so you arent an ascn member? If you goal is to embarass your alliance keep on posting your weak spin. Oh and employment histories are a dead give away. your correct i'm not a ascn member any more i just hate killerco for kicking me out off ascn just leave me alone m'kay??? Don't be a great man just be a man
Microsoft Sam Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:40:00 - [334] Are you saying this isnt a game?
Grim Savage Caldari The Grim Reaper Squad	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:42:00 - [335] Originally by: KSUDruid Cyvok: You still don't get it do you, old friend. This is a game. The forums are part of the game. If you truly feel the need to 'hate' me because of anything I say in-character, or who I shoot in-game, might I suggest taking a break for a while. In-game, as Cyvok, you're a liar and a Delusional leader who's own alliance members hate and loath, and follow only because of fear. Hell your entire style of leadership has always been based on fear and paranoia, that's part of the reason I left ASCN roughly 1 year ago. You were never gonna get it, and you're not getting it now. Your brash little offensive into TPAR was nothing more than a dying cry from an alliance that gave up on themselves months ago. Since you're so fond of making real life references to World War 2, I'll make one myself. The Battle of the Bulge, read up on it, make comparisons to what you're doing now, and then get back to me. You may "Hate" me, but I will never hate another human being, for anything he does while In-Character, and In-Game. You're welcome to chat with me concerning anything, anytime you like. I don't care if it is a game. It is REAL time spent playing it. That makes it real. Now, if that damn bridge had been a bit wider, then I whouldn't have had to read your **** on the boards. You where a backstabber when you where defence-minister in Xetic. You blame some alledged car-insident to why you left xetic hanging and then you leave and join BOB. Why should anyone respect you? Not that I care about respect anyway.
HordeZla Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:44:00 - [336] Originally by: sweetgirl Originally by: Afonso Henriques Originally by: sweetgirl Originally by: Afonso Henriques Originally by: sweetgirl BOB (bastards off Bandwagons) are good at 1 thing only and thats smacking on the forums and exploiting loging tactics "Member of ASCN Killerco's 2nd account" Nice bio, says it all really. do you believe anything that says in a bio? If so i'll change it in free titan bpo for the first who eve mail me rofl, ok so you arent an ascn member? If you goal is to embarass your alliance keep on posting your weak spin. Oh and employment histories are a dead give away. your correct i'm not a ascn member any more i just hate killerco for kicking me out off ascn And you called bob smack talkers. I hope the forum mods diciplin you in the only way you deserve. Now go deal with ur shame and stop bothering the grown ups!
trk4	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:48:00 - [337] Hi.
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 21:54:00 - [338] Originally by: Grim Savage I don't care if it is a game. It is REAL time spent playing it. That makes it real. Now, if that damn bridge had been a bit wider, then I whouldn't have had to read your ** on the boards. You where a backstabber when you where defence-minister in Xetic. You blame some alledged car-insident to why you left xetic hanging and then you leave and join BOB. Why should anyone respect you? Not that I care about respect anyway. I'm sorry, who are you? Some carebear who got left-behind when xetic split? Right then.. Whine at someone who cares plz. -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre**
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.07 22:01:00 - [339] Mods this topic has run it course put a nice lock on it pretty pls? Don't be a great man just be a man
Microsoft Sam Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.10.07 22:03:00 - [340] Edited by: Microsoft Sam on 07/10/2006 22:04:07 I think you will find that KSUDruid became cyvoks scapegoat when cyvok looted the xetic minerals and isk base then abbandoned Xetic. Lets not point fingers about Xetic, everyone knows who screwed it up. The same one whos going to screw up ASCN. Edited for my masterful spelling.

Darth Zion XenoMorph Ltd.	Posted - 2006.10.07 22:03:00 - [341] Originally by: KSUDruid Originally by: Grim Savage I don't care if it is a game. It is REAL time spent playing it. That makes it real. Now, if that damn bridge had been a bit wider, then I whouldn't have had to read your **** on the boards. You where a backstabber when you where defence-minister in Xetic. You blame some alledged car-insident to why you left xetic hanging and then you leave and join BOB. Why should anyone respect you? Not that I care about respect anyway. I'm sorry, who are you? Some carebear who got left-behind when xetic split? Right then.. Whine at someone who cares plz. You obviously care if you responded to him son. Funny thing is he is right. GG on faking that accident at a time when Xetic was at war 'Mr. Defense Minister'. It's better if you stop posting boy, no matter how you want to play it 'in-game' it's not making you look any tougher like you are wanting to. It never worked in the Xetic days, in the ASCN days, and it still doesn't work even after you joined BoB, son.
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2006.10.07 22:03:00 - [342] Originally by: killerco Mods this topic has run it course put a nice lock on it pretty pls? Is that what happens when you make a fool for yourself (repeatidly I may add) and you flame others. I got an idea, how about they delete your rubbish and ban you and let the rest of us have a merry old time.
Ferocious FeAr Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.07 22:06:00 - [343] politics = stupid. Act like adults and play the game. My god..... ________________________________ Don't hate me, learn to love me.

Ulynidd Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.10.07 22:25:00 - [344] Thread cleaned up a little. Please dont derail the thread again. It is quite nice to see threads like this spicing up the forums, keeps us on our toes _____________________________ Ulynidd Lead Forum Moderator [ Forum Rules ]

Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 22:38:00 - [345] Originally by: Ulynidd It is quite nice to see threads like this spicing up the forums, keeps us on our toes Well, some ppl take words to serious Discussing moderation in your signature is bad. Don't do it- Tirg Imperial Academy is currently recruiting Paragol Soul residents
Snodgey2004 Mega Modal M0nkeys	Posted - 2006.10.07 23:15:00 - [346] The thing thats made me smile most of all is one of the replies in a BoB post , something about both parties sitting there waiting 5 hours for something to happen ? , have to say must be a joy to play such a game , give up all the hours you have to play and sit , and wait , and wait , and wait.......while I on the other hand have been roaming around chasing people , killing things generally not waiting for something to happen . Seriously how much fun can you have sitting around doing nothing but for one party to outblob the other by enormous odds , unless of course your all sadists
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 23:18:00 - [347] Originally by: Snodgey2004 The thing thats made me smile most of all is one of the replies in a BoB post , something about both parties sitting there waiting 5 hours for something to happen ? , have to say must be a joy to play such a game , give up all the hours you have to play and sit , and wait , and wait , and wait.......while I on the other hand have been roaming around chasing people , killing things generally not waiting for something to happen . Seriously how much fun can you have sitting around doing nothing but for one party to outblob the other by enormous odds , unless of course your all sadists Have you never been fishing? We got the forums to entertain our self with You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
Snodgey2004 Mega Modal M0nkeys	Posted - 2006.10.07 23:19:00 - [348] lol , fishing is only good when you catch something , even if it's a goldfish , if not it's pants
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 23:25:00 - [349] Originally by: Snodgey2004 lol , fishing is only good when you catch something , even if it's a goldfish , if not it's pants There's to many fishes with wcs these days. Man they bring 3-5 wcs ships to fleet these days --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 23:27:00 - [350] Originally by: Snodgey2004 Seriously how much fun can you have sitting around doing nothing but for one party to outblob the other by enormous odds , unless of course your all sadists Why do you think we post that much? Discussing moderation in your signature is bad. Don't do it- Tirg Imperial Academy is currently recruiting Paragol Soul residents

maria stallion Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 23:32:00 - [351] Originally by: CYVOK God forbid the servers actually allow a lag free jump in, what are you going to do when there are 400 ASCN vs 100 BoB with no lag to protect your snipers? allthough I find it pathatic that you need 400 poeple to kill of 100 bob, wasn't a group of 200+ of ASCN and V that tried to take tpar? why if ASCN can field 400 people alone, they need help from -V-?
tbow10 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 23:42:00 - [352] wouldn't the 400 people jumping in create the lag more so then the 100 we have. And our snipers would be there lag or no lag. As for someoneÆs question on tpar. Well ascn really did **** up they put towers up no guns no harders and then had some towers that where left offline all together. I think they only have 1 pos not in reinforced or destroyed. when will ascn stop loging to save there pods?
Bala Dwinn Minmatar Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.07 23:52:00 - [353] Originally by: KSUDruid Cyvok: In-game, as Cyvok, you're a liar and a Delusional leader who's own alliance members hate and loath, and follow only because of fear. Hell your entire style of leadership has always been based on fear and paranoia, that's part of the reason I left ASCN roughly 1 year ago. You were never gonna get it, and you're not getting it now. . I've pretty much been under Cyvok's leadership since I've been in game and I have to call you out on this absurd slander. I've absolutely no idea how you arrived at this opinion, other than to conclude you are of unsound mind and/or possess feeble powers of judgment. Maybe some perceived slight became amplified and perturbed your epeen. But its just a game, right? Of all the objectionable behavior in game, its the snide venom thats put forth in unhappily large quantities by the bob whorum brigade that I, and likely all or most my alliance mates, don't get (FYI). Just fight and be done with it and if you feel you need to live on the forums and spew out more hate and smack then I suggest YOU take a break from the game and get laid a bit, or a least work out on that real doll of yours.
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 23:57:00 - [354] Originally by: Bala Dwinn Originally by: KSUDruid Cyvok: In-game, as Cyvok, you're a liar and a Delusional leader who's own alliance members hate and loath, and follow only because of fear. Hell your entire style of leadership has always been based on fear and paranoia, that's part of the reason I left ASCN roughly 1 year ago. You were never gonna get it, and you're not getting it now. . I've pretty much been under Cyvok's leadership since I've been in game and I have to call you out on this absurd slander. I've absolutely no idea how you arrived at this opinion, other than to conclude you are of unsound mind and/or possess feeble powers of judgment. Maybe some perceived slight became amplified and perturbed your epeen. But its just a game, right? Of all the objectionable behavior in game, its the snide venom thats put forth in unhappily large quantities by the bob whorum brigade that I, and likely all or most my alliance mates, don't get (FYI). Just fight and be done with it and if you feel you need to live on the forums and spew out more hate and smack then I suggest YOU take a break from the game and get laid a bit, or a least work out on that real doll of yours. Well since you guys wont fight ingame atm the forums is our last hope of getting a fight. Sleep tight with CYVOK. You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.08 00:02:00 - [355] Originally by: CYVOK The only true causality of this war so far seems to be friendships. KSUDruid, Eleese, Waagaa Ktlehr: I cannot even believe that you guys were once trusted directors of CLS/ASCN and players I called friend. I swear your accounts have been purchased by smacktards because your posts are so full of crap and hate. Cyvok, you SERIOUSLY need to take a step back, m8. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Deathsoul Caldari Evolution	Posted - 2006.10.08 00:28:00 - [356] What i find most funny, or should i say pathetic is the cryin ower "we didnt see **** and thats why it went this way" seems to be the best reason ascn can come up with. You guys realy think there is no lag or ctd on our side ? You guys realy think we stay at 200au save and copy bm's to make more lag ? Are our killmails, ANY OF THEM with bm's in cargo ? Are there some proof for those addin of killmails where we delete wcs ? If we would be changin killmails because of wcs, what the damn would it make a diffrence in the numbers we are lookin at ? Are you ppl ok ? Best Regards
Jodax Minmatar Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 00:29:00 - [357] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: CYVOK The only true causality of this war so far seems to be friendships. KSUDruid, Eleese, Waagaa Ktlehr: I cannot even believe that you guys were once trusted directors of CLS/ASCN and players I called friend. I swear your accounts have been purchased by smacktards because your posts are so full of crap and hate. Cyvok, you SERIOUSLY need to take a step back, m8. I can fully understand CYVOK's post. Even though this is a game, in some ways, it's more than that. I have always played this game with the personality I have in real life (I was actually talking to Waagaa about this same thing the other day :P). As in real life, I would never attack friends, go back on my word, sell my team down the river, leave my friends in times of need, or kill others for money ;) This game we all love so much brings with it certain aspects of our own individual personalities, ergo, it is inevitible that certain players will have an emotional attachment to things that occur in game... I will stand with CYVOK and ASCN until I am flying nothing but a n00bie ship, what I have been a part of in Eve with CLS/ASCN fills me with pride and honor in RL, and I am certain there are many more that feel the same.
Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 00:47:00 - [358] Originally by: Jodax I will stand with CYVOK and ASCN until I am flying nothing but a n00bie ship, what I have been a part of in Eve with CLS/ASCN fills me with pride and honor in RL, and I am certain there are many more that feel the same. Hear, hear! .... and it aint through "fear" either as commented earlier...
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.08 00:50:00 - [359] Originally by: Jodax Originally by: Seleene Originally by: CYVOK The only true causality of this war so far seems to be friendships. KSUDruid, Eleese, Waagaa Ktlehr: I cannot even believe that you guys were once trusted directors of CLS/ASCN and players I called friend. I swear your accounts have been purchased by smacktards because your posts are so full of crap and hate. Cyvok, you SERIOUSLY need to take a step back, m8. I can fully understand CYVOK's post. Even though this is a game, in some ways, it's more than that. To a point, Jodax, I agree. The people in my corp are mostly on a first name basis, etc... Meh. I've emailed Cyvok my feelings on all this. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.08 00:52:00 - [360] Originally by: Jodax I can fully understand CYVOK's post. Even though this is a game, in some ways, it's more than that. Whilst there was nothing intrinsically wrong with Cyvok's post or with that frame of mind when playing EVE (after all we are free to play EVE in any manner that pleases us... without breaking the EULA ofc), thinking like that and stating publicly that your upset about such matters are two different things. In effect it was one forum blunder more, in the catalogue of forum blunders ASCN has managed to make in the war thus far. The mere fact that ASCN pilots feel they ought to come out and say.. "oh well we play the game in such and such a way" is a testament to that.

Canine Fiend Minmatar Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 00:53:00 - [361] Originally by: Jodax Originally by: Seleene Originally by: CYVOK The only true causality of this war so far seems to be friendships. KSUDruid, Eleese, Waagaa Ktlehr: I cannot even believe that you guys were once trusted directors of CLS/ASCN and players I called friend. I swear your accounts have been purchased by smacktards because your posts are so full of crap and hate. Cyvok, you SERIOUSLY need to take a step back, m8. I can fully understand CYVOK's post. Even though this is a game, in some ways, it's more than that. I have always played this game with the personality I have in real life (I was actually talking to Waagaa about this same thing the other day :P). As in real life, I would never attack friends, go back on my word, sell my team down the river, leave my friends in times of need, or kill others for money ;) This game we all love so much brings with it certain aspects of our own individual personalities, ergo, it is inevitible that certain players will have an emotional attachment to things that occur in game... I will stand with CYVOK and ASCN until I am flying nothing but a n00bie ship, what I have been a part of in Eve with CLS/ASCN fills me with pride and honor in RL, and I am certain there are many more that feel the same. I've kept out of this thread until this point. I completely and 100% have the same stance as Jodax, and that is the only thing I will say in this thread. Let's have fun everyone. ------------------- "Stay up north boy, we don't play with training wheels down south."
Nepereta DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:08:00 - [362] Originally by: Deathsoul What i find most funny, or should i say pathetic is the cryin ower "we didnt see ** and thats why it went this way" seems to be the best reason ascn can come up with. You guys realy think there is no lag or ctd on our side ? You guys realy think we stay at 200au save and copy bm's to make more lag ? Are our killmails, ANY OF THEM with bm's in cargo ? Are there some proof for those addin of killmails where we delete wcs ? If we would be changin killmails because of wcs, what the damn would it make a diffrence in the numbers we are lookin at ? Are you ppl ok ? Best Regards you need a record of ASCN TS every sentence either has the phrase black screen or the word log. Lag is murdering us because we are too numerous. As for accusations on you to hell with that, I think at the end of the day ascn and bob want good lag free fights. Trouble is lag and its effects are becoming a bigger part of this game than anything else for us 0.0 billionaires. As a player of games I am sickened by this. You should of seen the ASCN fiasco at one of the RP events we couldn't lock or load grid and most of the fleet died to npc. ASCN is simply too big for EVE imo. We try to do things and we can't our scale is too much. So please think about what 75-0 losses mean in a logical way? It ain't natural even if you had officer mods on every ship and 50m sp PvPers in each. 75 ships will kill at least one ship in one salvo know this to be truth and realize what the hell is happening! Both sides are losing out on the battle of the century. I am hearing about black screens on TS and lag kills here has the game devolved to this? If any player enters a system. He or She should be entitled to the standard cloak and then to chose what he or she wishes to do. It should be a frakking given if it ain't why are we bothering? Originally by:** CC 3 Cybok and lacky's REVENGE WILL BE SWEAT ILL BE BACK
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb Gallente Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:10:00 - [363] Man! I love this game! No wonder I've been playing for well over 3yrs. This has got more drama than a Korean soap opera!
Lootcatcher	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:13:00 - [364] Maybe if BoB stopped mass rebooting of their clients?
Gierling Gallente Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:17:00 - [365] Originally by: Jodax Originally by: Seleene Originally by: CYVOK The only true causality of this war so far seems to be friendships. KSUDruid, Eleese, Waagaa Ktlehr: I cannot even believe that you guys were once trusted directors of CLS/ASCN and players I called friend. I swear your accounts have been purchased by smacktards because your posts are so full of crap and hate. Cyvok, you SERIOUSLY need to take a step back, m8. I can fully understand CYVOK's post. Even though this is a game, in some ways, it's more than that. I have always played this game with the personality I have in real life (I was actually talking to Waagaa about this same thing the other day :P). As in real life, I would never attack friends, go back on my word, sell my team down the river, leave my friends in times of need, or kill others for money ;) This game we all love so much brings with it certain aspects of our own individual personalities, ergo, it is inevitible that certain players will have an emotional attachment to things that occur in game... I will stand with CYVOK and ASCN until I am flying nothing but a n00bie ship, what I have been a part of in Eve with CLS/ASCN fills me with pride and honor in RL, and I am certain there are many more that feel the same. I just want to offer forum support, I'm with Cyvok. Both in how to play the game (make friends, fly with them, occassionally win with them, lose with them if thats whats in the cards, share thier triumphs), and in his decisions. I do admit the boy needs a spellcheck and PR guy though.
hothead Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:19:00 - [366] Edited by: hothead on 08/10/2006 01:21:20 this is my main toon silly GM :(i just dont use forums much... BTW i aint talking to you nira , looks kinda weird with your post above :P
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:21:00 - [367] Originally by: Nepereta ASCN is simply too big for EVE imo. ... aint that the truth... your modus operandi of taking over 300 ships to fights is simply not possible in this game, wether the servers are healthy or not. As it stands the servers are not in a good state anyhow.... so your huge blobs are just suicide, particularly against BoB who know how to deal with the lag. I'm not there so it makes no odds to me.. it is amusing though to watch your alliance whine about lag, when you invariably take it with you wherever you go. Here is a link for you to read next time you are waiting half an hour to get back into the game.... linkeh
Eleese Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:23:00 - [368] Edited by: Eleese on 08/10/2006 01:22:53 deleted double post
Eleese Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:23:00 - [369] Originally by: Gierling Originally by: Jodax Originally by: Seleene Originally by: CYVOK The only true causality of this war so far seems to be friendships. KSUDruid, Eleese, Waagaa Ktlehr: I cannot even believe that you guys were once trusted directors of CLS/ASCN and players I called friend. I swear your accounts have been purchased by smacktards because your posts are so full of crap and hate. Cyvok, you SERIOUSLY need to take a step back, m8. I can fully understand CYVOK's post. Even though this is a game, in some ways, it's more than that. I have always played this game with the personality I have in real life (I was actually talking to Waagaa about this same thing the other day :P). As in real life, I would never attack friends, go back on my word, sell my team down the river, leave my friends in times of need, or kill others for money ;) This game we all love so much brings with it certain aspects of our own individual personalities, ergo, it is inevitible that certain players will have an emotional attachment to things that occur in game... I will stand with CYVOK and ASCN until I am flying nothing but a n00bie ship, what I have been a part of in Eve with CLS/ASCN fills me with pride and honor in RL, and I am certain there are many more that feel the same. I just want to offer forum support, I'm with Cyvok. Both in how to play the game (make friends, fly with them, occassionally win with them, lose with them if thats whats in the cards, share thier triumphs), and in his decisions. I do admit the boy needs a spellcheck and PR guy though. What happens when you have friends in alot of different alliance/groups? Cant fly with them all.
Lootcatcher	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:24:00 - [370] Maybe you should adress what im saying? reboot yes/no? lag yes/no? Its funny how the pirates fighting MC are having the same problems as ASCN has isnt it?

Nepereta DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:24:00 - [371] Originally by: Lootcatcher Maybe if BoB stopped mass rebooting of their clients? what are you saying? all I know is I 've listened to giant fleets turn to the brown smelly stuff on Ts. Simply because these guys hit black screens and we are talking black screens across the board. As they come back they are trickle killed or don't log until things have cleared up 10s of accounts sit in limbos waiting to get the go ahead to relog in. even if there is some exploit that caused this I would point at the hard fact: NPC event where the enemy was CCP driven and we couldn't in our numbers react due to super lag. I would like to seriously ask the question to CCP if ASCN jump X number of ships into system Y v bob defences Z how many of us will black screen and be trickle killed? We need those guys to start seriously thinking about this because we beyond bleeding edge the server can handle. We need to know in short the realms of the possible and start working on that. Originally by: CC 3 Cybok and lacky's REVENGE WILL BE SWEAT ILL BE BACK
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:26:00 - [372] Originally by: Lootcatcher Maybe you should adress what im saying? reboot yes/no? lag yes/no? Its funny how the pirates fighting MC are having the same problems as ASCN has isnt it? Mabye because we told MC how to exploit? Post with your main and I'll tell you how too. You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
Constantinee Caldari Eradication Defined	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:29:00 - [373] good job bob Want a Cheap sig?
Lootcatcher	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:29:00 - [374] Oh i know how your doing it, and no i dont think its an exploit, its just very hard for anyone to fight this way. The amount of data going into a node when you have a mass reboot is just very bad for this game, and you know it. Advantage sure, withing the EULA yes, but its just no fun.
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:32:00 - [375] Originally by: Lootcatcher Oh i know how your doing it, and no i dont think its an exploit, its just very hard for anyone to fight this way. The amount of data going into a node when you have a mass reboot is just very bad for this game, and you know it. Advantage sure, withing the EULA yes, but its just no fun. [01:23:51] Lina Inverse > t when you are using cheap tactics and exploits - jackass is that you? You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
papaPadla Minmatar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:33:00 - [376] OMG im tired of all the forums thing. BOB has more... let's be honest... A ****LOAD MORE experience of running gang's and fleets and reacting under pressure. This ofcourse includes tricks about how the server works... how to avoid lag, how to login faster... etc Try to learn how to fight better not how to complain better. My thanks to all bob pilots teaching me (and all of ASCN) how to fight better, to organise better, giving those that are willing the so much needed fight experience. I know that specially those that lost ships to bob are now better pilots beacouse of it. Again, my thanks. -------------------------------------
Nepereta DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:33:00 - [377] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Nepereta ASCN is simply too big for EVE imo. ... aint that the truth... your modus operandi of taking over 300 ships to fights is simply not possible in this game, wether the servers are healthy or not. As it stands the servers are not in a good state anyhow.... so your huge blobs are just suicide, particularly against BoB who know how to deal with the lag. I'm not there so it makes no odds to me.. it is amusing though to watch your alliance whine about lag, when you invariably take it with you wherever you go. Here is a link for you to read next time you are waiting half an hour to get back into the game.... linkeh we all pay the roughly the same monthly for this game, we are entitled to a decnt play experience. We shouldn't be penailized for being a large organized group and such penalties shouldn't be an accepted part of the status quo. Originally by: CC 3 Cybok and lacky's REVENGE WILL BE SWEAT ILL BE BACK
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:36:00 - [378] Originally by: Nepereta we all pay the roughly the same monthly for this game, we are entitled to a decnt play experience. We shouldn't be penailized for being a large organized group and such penalties shouldn't be an accepted part of the status quo. .. perhaps, but the hard cold truth is that indirectly you are suffering from bringing too many ships to a fight... and thats not gonna change anytime soon..... so enjoy node the node crashing I guess...
Nepereta DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:44:00 - [379] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 08/10/2006 01:37:03 Originally by: Nepereta we all pay the roughly the same monthly for this game, we are entitled to a decnt play experience. We shouldn't be penailized for being a large organized group and such penalties shouldn't be an accepted part of the status quo. .. perhaps, but the hard cold truth is that indirectly you are suffering from bringing too many ships to a fight... and thats not gonna change anytime soon..... so enjoy the node crashing I guess... Sometimes when I see all this scale problems I begin to thing the 0.4 warp stabilizing griefer is right after all. :) Originally by: CC 3 Cybok and lacky's REVENGE WILL BE SWEAT ILL BE BACK
Lord Stone Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:44:00 - [380] Originally by: papaPadla OMG im tired of all the forums thing. BOB has more... let's be honest... A ****LOAD MORE experience of running gang's and fleets and reacting under pressure. This ofcourse includes tricks about how the server works... how to avoid lag, how to login faster... etc Try to learn how to fight better not how to complain better. My thanks to all bob pilots teaching me (and all of ASCN) how to fight better, to organise better, giving those that are willing the so much needed fight experience. I know that specially those that lost ships to bob are now better pilots beacouse of it. Again, my thanks. One of few sensible posts here. Thank you for the kinds words, and gl in your upcoming fights.

Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:44:00 - [381] I too would be angry if someone I called ¿friend¿, later publicly states I¦m a mental case and that all I/we have builded is a mistake (seen some really insulting posts from Druid, who obviously takes the game more seriously that he states now to insult that much) I sued my former associate for much less. I won. But this is a game, and anonimity is an advantage internet gives. Still, maybe CYVOK takes the game too seriously, I agree (hell, most of the guys posting here are doing the same thing) Mind you, I have no way to know why Druid left ASCN so maybe he has a point on CYVOK (I could ask, but I really don¦t care that much). Been told Druid is a much nicer guy that it appears at first sight, dunno. In fact, been told he is a hard-ass (best way to say it, ¿cares too much¿) Seen old logs on his chats when on ASCN, and he sure looks he cares... Talked with some few BOB¦s in Local/mail, some of them post 24/7 in the forums. Truth? We have more civil chats in Local, than in the forums. Both sides should STFU here. Saying that... Damn, John Bobbit¦s! You guys are hardcore forumeers! Go to sleep! I¦m out. I really don¦t want to check the forum back, so if anyone has a question, eve-mail.
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:45:00 - [382] Originally by: Deathsoul What i find most funny, or should i say pathetic is the cryin ower "we didnt see **** and thats why it went this way" seems to be the best reason ascn can come up with. You guys realy think there is no lag or ctd on our side ? You guys realy think we stay at 200au save and copy bm's to make more lag ? Are our killmails, ANY OF THEM with bm's in cargo ? Are there some proof for those addin of killmails where we delete wcs ? If we would be changin killmails because of wcs, what the damn would it make a diffrence in the numbers we are lookin at ? Are you ppl ok ? Best Regards Ok normaly I am not doing this and I shouldnt join any flame wars. But explain me somthing. If u understand the lag problems and you have that much lag we got when we jumping/warping in, why the hack comming then in the forums and you guys posting YAY !!!!!!!!! we got 70 bs kills with no loss. Yeah right, u cannot get killed if ur enemy is loading. Here an example: Nice kill :-) I am making another one for the todays try to jump in TCAG system. Its ok, you got the kill. I dont have a problem with getting killed. The problem I have with u guys is that you come and you refer at those kills as accomplishments. Well have fun with ur easy kills :-) ----------------------------------
Lord Stone Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:49:00 - [383] Originally by: Zeveron BlaBlaBla So you think we want the easy kills, that we set up so you lag more? We gave you chance to set up a camp. The gates were clear for a long time. You just sat there at a safe, outnumbering us, and not doing anything about it. So once it was established you weren't gonna take initiative, we did. We sat on a gate with about 1/2 - 1/3 you numbers FOR 3 HOURS untill you finally came in. THEN the node crashed. So yeah, kudos to us, we have larger cohones. FAR larger.
ElCoCo Gallente KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:56:00 - [384] Originally by: Zeveron Well have fun with ur easy kills :-) The kills are as easy as you make them
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:03:00 - [385] Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 08/10/2006 02:04:28 Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 08/10/2006 02:04:19 Don't take it all too personal CYVOK. We all RP to a certain extent in this game. I was never given director access in CLS due to my nice way to say things nor due to the fact that I'm an awesomely nice guy. Both Ishkur and you knew my worth and the fact I was a director was the fact me and a couple of others were the only one you could trust with things like shipping 2M of Mega up to empire. Now why would three fairly high ranking officials of the first days of ASCN that basically together with a couple of other lead the conquering of UB5Z over the Stainers and some of RA, leave? Maybe we didn't like what had become of the thing we helped build? If you treat your directors like you do, you won't keep the ones with an attitude basically. :) - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:11:00 - [386] Originally by: Lord Stone Originally by: Zeveron BlaBlaBla So you think we want the easy kills, that we set up so you lag more? We gave you chance to set up a camp. The gates were clear for a long time. You just sat there at a safe, outnumbering us, and not doing anything about it. So once it was established you weren't gonna take initiative, we did. We sat on a gate with about 1/2 - 1/3 you numbers FOR 3 HOURS untill you finally came in. THEN the node crashed. So yeah, kudos to us, we have larger cohones. FAR larger. so nothing has changed in a year of ascn being ganged, engaged and whatnot - intresting. wish u guys fun
Xodius Raldari Amarr OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:13:00 - [387] Edited by: Xodius Raldari on 08/10/2006 02:14:13 i think bob is uber. what i base it on is 100% correct. proof is []
Lord Stone Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:14:00 - [388] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Originally by: Lord Stone Originally by: Zeveron BlaBlaBla So you think we want the easy kills, that we set up so you lag more? We gave you chance to set up a camp. The gates were clear for a long time. You just sat there at a safe, outnumbering us, and not doing anything about it. So once it was established you weren't gonna take initiative, we did. We sat on a gate with about 1/2 - 1/3 you numbers FOR 3 HOURS untill you finally came in. THEN the node crashed. So yeah, kudos to us, we have larger cohones. FAR larger. so nothing has changed in a year of ascn being ganged, engaged and whatnot - intresting. wish u guys fun I DON'T UNDERSTAND HALF OF WHAT YOU SAID BUT I DON'T LIKE THE LOOK ON YOU FACE PARDNER!
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:21:00 - [389] Originally by: Lord Stone Originally by: Zeveron BlaBlaBla So you think we want the easy kills, that we set up so you lag more? We gave you chance to set up a camp. The gates were clear for a long time. You just sat there at a safe, outnumbering us, and not doing anything about it. So once it was established you weren't gonna take initiative, we did. We sat on a gate with about 1/2 - 1/3 you numbers FOR 3 HOURS untill you finally came in. THEN the node crashed. So yeah, kudos to us, we have larger cohones. FAR larger. U didnt answer my question. Maybe my english are that bad that u cant understand it. Ok I ll make that more simple. We jumped in. The node crashed. U logged faster. You kill ppl while they login. Nice till here. Is that that big accomplishment to come here on the forums and post it? I should blame CCP about that, not claiming that I am uber. ----------------------------------
jernej Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:22:00 - [390] Originally by: Zeveron Ok normaly I am not doing this and I shouldnt join any flame wars. But explain me somthing. If u understand the lag problems and you have that much lag we got when we jumping/warping in, why the hack comming then in the forums and you guys posting YAY !!!!!!!!! we got 70 bs kills with no loss. Yeah right, u cannot get killed if ur enemy is loading. Here an example: Nice kill :-) I am making another one for the todays try to jump in TCAG system. Its ok, you got the kill. I dont have a problem with getting killed. The problem I have with u guys is that you come and you refer at those kills as accomplishments. Well have fun with ur easy kills :-) Hahahahaha... Wellcome to the wonderfull world of fleet fighting, been there, got pwnd, again and again

BlackRain Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:33:00 - [391] All I can say about this thread now that CYVOK posted is: Haha. That is all. ------------------- -
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:47:00 - [392] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Originally by: Lord Stone Originally by: Zeveron BlaBlaBla So you think we want the easy kills, that we set up so you lag more? We gave you chance to set up a camp. The gates were clear for a long time. You just sat there at a safe, outnumbering us, and not doing anything about it. So once it was established you weren't gonna take initiative, we did. We sat on a gate with about 1/2 - 1/3 you numbers FOR 3 HOURS untill you finally came in. THEN the node crashed. So yeah, kudos to us, we have larger cohones. FAR larger. so nothing has changed in a year of ascn being ganged, engaged and whatnot - intresting. wish u guys fun m8 what has changed is the size of gangs and servers - I have been looking forward for an epic battle with insane ammount of ships involved but every single time its been a node crash I dont want to take anything away from bob k/d achievements, I think they would be very high even without the node crashes but there has been an insane ammount of losses due to simple login races after the node crashes, those races we lose everytime, and that turns into a lot of frustration into people which eventually lead them all to believe enemy is using some elaborate exploit and whatnot just justify the faster logins. Yes, big losses are expected because as an alliance we really havent had any major fleet action on a everyday basis since the G war last december - but the advantage we have been always relying on, that is the higher numbers, is taken away by the fact over a certain treshold the node simply dies. Every. Single. Time. My experience so far in this conflict? Waiting for hours for gangs to gather and finally jump into a system just to get 5 minutes of fights followed by total node collapse. P.S.: Oh, to all the ex ascn showing up to tell us how much we suck... well if you think we suck so much you should have tried harder to make things work back when you were members, you know, before you decided to run off to some other alredy more established alliance. - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
analev godder The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:56:00 - [393] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig My experience so far in this conflict? Waiting for hours for gangs to gather and finally jump into a system just to get 5 minutes of fights followed by total node collapse. Lucky you you actually had 5 minutes of fight. So far my day consisted of waiting for hours. then when finally we are going to have some fun the node dies. Bob logs in faster so i watch the login screen. Login regroup. When we try again rince repeat. But got sick of my login screen after 45 mins of hostile reports. No offence to bob but node death so far seems to favor your fleets.
Don ZOLA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.10.08 03:19:00 - [394] Originally by: Ulynidd Thread cleaned up a little. Please dont derail the thread again. It is quite nice to see threads like this spicing up the forums, keeps us on our toes its funny how some threads where bob gets "attacked" with some valid facts get locked and deleted very fast, but on the other side threads where bob members insult and flame other ppl r "spicing up the forums", isnt it ? oh and for a record, LUKEC doesnt honour 1vs1. TDG Recruitment
Mickey Mouse	Posted - 2006.10.08 03:22:00 - [395] Originally by: Don ZOLA Originally by: Ulynidd Thread cleaned up a little. Please dont derail the thread again. It is quite nice to see threads like this spicing up the forums, keeps us on our toes its funny how some threads where bob gets "attacked" with some valid facts get locked and deleted very fast, but on the other side threads where bob members insult and flame other ppl r "spicing up the forums", isnt it ? oh and for a record, LUKEC doesnt honour 1vs1. you noticed that too?
Deathsoul Caldari Evolution	Posted - 2006.10.08 03:23:00 - [396] Originally by: papaPadla OMG im tired of all the forums thing. BOB has more... let's be honest... A ****LOAD MORE experience of running gang's and fleets and reacting under pressure. This ofcourse includes tricks about how the server works... how to avoid lag, how to login faster... etc Try to learn how to fight better not how to complain better. My thanks to all bob pilots teaching me (and all of ASCN) how to fight better, to organise better, giving those that are willing the so much needed fight experience. I know that specially those that lost ships to bob are now better pilots beacouse of it. Again, my thanks. You are the first ASCN pilot i have respect for, and your worth it for your point of wiev. Hat of to you.
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 03:33:00 - [397] Originally by: Deathsoul Originally by: papaPadla OMG im tired of all the forums thing. BOB has more... let's be honest... A **LOAD MORE experience of running gang's and fleets and reacting under pressure. This ofcourse includes tricks about how the server works... how to avoid lag, how to login faster... etc Try to learn how to fight better not how to complain better. My thanks to all bob pilots teaching me (and all of ASCN) how to fight better, to organise better, giving those that are willing the so much needed fight experience. I know that specially those that lost ships to bob are now better pilots beacouse of it. Again, my thanks. You are the first ASCN pilot i have respect for, and your worth it for your point of wiev. Hat of to you. I'll second that. LoL the H4x and Xploit accusations are cute though :P keep it up, very amusing :P BobÖ Goon Swatter - Eliminates Every Goon**
Riddari Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 03:37:00 - [398] With reversed roles, had BOB been putting up POSes in AZN, a similar post would have been created the minute the first POS was launched. Followed, as we can see in this thread, by 40 subsequent BOBs. The simple fact that it was not until over 24 hours later that the first mention of this escaped unto the forums shows the exemplary behaviour of ASCN members and demonstrates BOBs surprise. It is now day 3-4 of the ASCN offensive. Wars last months. We are ready. ¼+¼ a history
vile56 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 03:46:00 - [399] DRUNAK FLEET AOPS FTW omg nerdy thnis makes me haphpy
Cyleth Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 03:49:00 - [400] Village People 1 - 0 ASCN end of -- Nobody stays behind

Low Blow Amarr Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 03:51:00 - [401]
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 03:59:00 - [402] Originally by: Cyleth Village People 1 - 0 ASCN end of This is a far better song than YMCA.
vile56 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 04:00:00 - [403] Originally by: Drakma Originally by: Cyleth Village People 1 - 0 ASCN end of This is a far better song than YMCA. hesdy i postfjed that firstg donttake my fame hingya
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 04:21:00 - [404] Most of the points in Cyvoks post have already had 20 rebuttles posted against it, but I would like to comment on one particular item. Lag. There is no point complaining about it constantly, it's a part of the game. Just like us Aussies complaining about drought, at what point do we realise that this is what we have to work with. During fighting yesterday, there was between 160 - 190 ASCN camping TCAG gate in TPAR. A massive amount of those ships were BS, and there firepower was horrific (we lost a couple of runs, including 6 BS downed in about 8 - 10 seconds at one point). At the hight of there numbers, we were at our lowest of about 17 BS, and we kept engaging (and winning). During the entire fight, we warped in at range on every run so that both sides could load, and then warped into the field to engage. Now how you can: 1. Have a go at us for not engaging you. When those are 11:1 odds during that fight (that lasted for almost an entire day). 2. Have a go at us for lag? Everytime we engaged you, you had to load 17 ships. We had to load 160+. Everytime we engaged we did everything we could to minimise lag and get good fights. Everyone can say what they want on these boards, but the ASCN and BOB that are actually in these fights know what's going on.
Valora Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 04:28:00 - [405] Edited by: Valora on 08/10/2006 04:28:37 Originally by: CYVOK As for you amazing kill count, keep playing it up. Deleting kill mails with WCS doesnÆt mean they were not fitted and not posting losses until several days after they happened doesnÆt mean they were not killed. On the contrary, alliance members forging and posting fake mails is a pretty poor way to improve the stats on your board.
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.08 04:28:00 - [406] Edited by: Audrea on 08/10/2006 04:30:24 Here is an idea to avoid the lag: Agree to each send 1 inty every 5 mins into TPAR, 1v1, whoever is winner stays, and then 1 more inty from each side jumps in (Idea taken from the last tournament's method of determining victor, lol) PS: I have said it long ago after the 9CG battles, and I will say it again: If ASCN wants lag free combat, they should send NO MORE ships than BoB send! I suspect the lag will drastically reduce, and you will get better k/d ratio than 70/0 I noticed on the kbs that ASCN learned its lessons, and most of its pilots already got T2 large guns trained. Give it a go, ditch the blob for one engagement and see if its better. ------------------ Save Deimos!
Ordo Abchao Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 04:29:00 - [407] Originally by: Riddari With reversed roles, had BOB been putting up POSes in AZN, a similar post would have been created the minute the first POS was launched. Followed, as we can see in this thread, by 40 subsequent BOBs. The simple fact that it was not until over 24 hours later that the first mention of this escaped unto the forums shows the exemplary behaviour of ASCN members and demonstrates BOBs surprise. It is now day 3-4 of the ASCN offensive. Wars last months. We are ready. And i'm still waiting to see your face javascript:insertsmilie('','WebPost','text'); Crying or Very sad Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK- Order out of Chaos
Monarch Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.08 04:37:00 - [408] theres nithing like jumping into a bigger fleet and getttin an exploiter because you had the nerve to do so. you aare all so fkn worthless i might be a bit dntr
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.08 04:49:00 - [409] Originally by: Audrea PS: I have said it long ago after the 9CG battles, and I will say it again: If ASCN wants lag free combat, they should send NO MORE ships than BoB send! I suspect the lag will drastically reduce, and you will get better k/d ratio than 70/0 Give it a go, ditch the blob for one engagement and see if its better. Infact this is exactly what ASCN ought to do but never will......
MIGHTYDWC Gallente Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 04:55:00 - [410] Originally by: Drakma Originally by: Cyleth Village People 1 - 0 ASCN end of This is a far better song than YMCA. Weren't the Village People ghey? Linkage notify Wormtong [VTS.]'Teeny Weeny'(Thorax)[ has started trying to warp scramble Stargate (Efa)

KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 05:53:00 - [411] Originally by: Rikeka I too would be angry if someone I called ¿friend¿, later publicly states I¦m a mental case and that all I/we have builded is a mistake (seen some really insulting posts from Druid, who obviously takes the game more seriously that he states now to insult that much) I sued my former associate for much less. I won. But this is a game, and anonimity is an advantage internet gives. Still, maybe CYVOK takes the game too seriously, I agree (hell, most of the guys posting here are doing the same thing) Mind you, I have no way to know why Druid left ASCN so maybe he has a point on CYVOK (I could ask, but I really don¦t care that much). Been told Druid is a much nicer guy that it appears at first sight, dunno. In fact, been told he is a hard-ass (best way to say it, ¿cares too much¿) Seen old logs on his chats when on ASCN, and he sure looks he cares... Talked with some few BOB¦s in Local/mail, some of them post 24/7 in the forums. Truth? We have more civil chats in Local, than in the forums. Both sides should STFU here. Saying that... Damn, John Bobbit¦s! You guys are hardcore forumeers! Go to sleep! I¦m out. I really don¦t want to check the forum back, so if anyone has a question, eve-mail. -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
Nepereta DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 06:35:00 - [412] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Audrea PS: I have said it long ago after the 9CG battles, and I will say it again: If ASCN wants lag free combat, they should send NO MORE ships than BoB send! I suspect the lag will drastically reduce, and you will get better k/d ratio than 70/0 Give it a go, ditch the blob for one engagement and see if its better. Infact this is exactly what ASCN ought to do but never will...... We should instead have a percentage system. Take the top 5% from each side and have them fight the battle. Originally by: CC 3 Cybok and lacky's REVENGE WILL BE SWEAT ILL BE BACK
The Praetor RONA Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.08 06:45:00 - [413] Ascendant Frontier: I think you have made the right move in turning the tables. If you leave Bob to take the offensive, they attack on their choosing. If you take the offensive, they must react to your timetable. As a suggestion: You may be wise to read up everything you can on Red Alliance Tactics and then implement them. If you do so, you may never be dislodged. There will be no "glorious victory" for you, but you will not be beaten in the end. The greatest threat to any war machine in EVE: Boredom and Frustration. RA has used to this to their advantage again and again. Implement those tactics, and BoB will go find something more interesting eventually. You may lose the forum war, but you will not lose the fight. Just my 2 cents :) Good Luck to both parties.
Nyk0n Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.10.08 07:42:00 - [414] Edited by: Nyk0n on 08/10/2006 07:45:03 Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: DoctorGonzo Then this evening, about 15 minutes after the node crashed, we jumped our support fleet into most of their fleet (which was hugging the TPAR gate in TCAG). They then jumped their fleet of about 30 Battleships through the gate (no idea why) and into our bubble camp, which had 80 Battleships - the slaughter began. Hah, Faramir would be creaming himself right now as that's the identical move he made in 6NJ against PA which led to the "PA LAST STAND movie". Twas a slaughter then too. 75 bs killed for no loss is double our previous best... looks like we are getting exactly what we wanted \o/ dbp Easy kills?? Seems you are getting exactly what you normally look for as well;) Took ASCN long enough to smell the coffee, but bless you, that coffee smells good. Ihope the rest of the eve map looks at this situation and thinks "sooner or later the bobins is gonna look in my direction, lets get rid of that threat now" and sends its full support. Wont happen tho, its easyer to fly under the radar Sometimes the truth hurts.......... Dosnt stop it being true
Xeliya Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.08 07:49:00 - [415] All I have to say is DAMN!!! ASCN letme know next time you goto attack so I can go join a BoB gang to join in on the fun
Bozl1n Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.08 07:59:00 - [416] Originally by: Shin Ra I gotta say that I agree with a couple of points CYVOK made. Especially with regards to those old ASCN/CLS guys now in BoB. That being said, the post is just asking for another 10 pages of flames in this thread. Yea its unfortunatly sommin that seems to happen alot, ive lost count of the people iv seen in local and just as i was about to say hi, seen in space as flashing yellow squares. That said allot of them fit into BoB perfectly, we all know BoBs reputation for looking after those they call frends after all ASCN are getting there lesson right now, i wonder if the MC are paying attention... Trick or Treat any1?
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 08:38:00 - [417] Here is an unbiased status of what happened sicne yesterday till now . -Pos shooting comences with dreads and our fleet guarding it with ASCN hostiles in local , no attempt to defend their POS was made , thats after the 2 carriers got smoked. -Later on huge ASCN fleet arrives at Tcag and ugs the pos while another fleet of theirs prepares in one of their TPar Pos. -Several hours wasted on waiting for either the Tpar or Tcag fleets to bring it and start the pew pew but zip later on i logged off and there was a fight and another ASCN carrier was smoked. -Tcag fleet finaly showed up at Tpar gate and started to set them selves so we decided to jump czo we do wanna have a fight , the usual happens and node crashes and both fleets are attempting to relog. -ASCN pilots petion us for crashign the node or maybe it was a stroek of luck , although what we did was jump our 100 man gang to their 100 + gang in Tcag , Gms investigate it and nothing happens and ASCN pilots just dont want to log on , TBH if u didnt waste ur time making petions and attempted to log on maybe u might have had more ppl to fight , but according to the comments from ASCN pilots in loca which i have one in my BIO i think they did the petion. -ASCN pilots start randomly logging in and getting ganked with no organization which results in our KB stats. -Several more hours of constant warping in or out in hope that the hostile fleet will enage but still no major fight. -POS bashing comences and 2 more Large ASCN towers sent to oblivion . Falme , whine , complain , up to u realy , i was there and thats what happened . "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.08 08:43:00 - [418] Edited by: Zeveron on 08/10/2006 08:45:39 Originally by: Ab Initio Most of the points in Cyvoks post have already had 20 rebuttles posted against it, but I would like to comment on one particular item. Lag. There is no point complaining about it constantly, it's a part of the game. Just like us Aussies complaining about drought, at what point do we realise that this is what we have to work with. During fighting yesterday, there was between 160 - 190 ASCN camping TCAG gate in TPAR. A massive amount of those ships were BS, and there firepower was horrific (we lost a couple of runs, including 6 BS downed in about 8 - 10 seconds at one point). At the hight of there numbers, we were at our lowest of about 17 BS, and we kept engaging (and winning). During the entire fight, we warped in at range on every run so that both sides could load, and then warped into the field to engage. Now how you can: 1. Have a go at us for not engaging you. When those are 11:1 odds during that fight (that lasted for almost an entire day). 2. Have a go at us for lag? Everytime we engaged you, you had to load 17 ships. We had to load 160+. Everytime we engaged we did everything we could to minimise lag and get good fights. Everyone can say what they want on these boards, but the ASCN and BOB that are actually in these fights know what's going on. sign on that. Well the numbers are again not accurate but grats for engaging. Both sides had fun: Engagment1 Engagment2 Engagment3 Engagment4 The fights were not that uneven, bcs many of us were out off range (check the 4rth video). There were some engagments more, but forgot to push the fraps button (was damn sleepy and tiered, beeing there 12h). Again grats of u guys giving us a good fight and must important fun :-) ----------------------------------
Latex Mistress Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.08 08:52:00 - [419] Ok, so... Alliance X with a 400-pilot fleet knows that alliance Y is in the next system with approx 100 pilots. Alliance X jumps in with a 4:1 advantage and crashes the node Alliance X logs in to find Alliance Y sitting at sniper range, popping ships as they come back in Alliance X whines on forums for poor gameplay Hint: when you know good and well you're at a 4:1 advantage, and that jumping in will crash the node and you do so anyway... it boggles the mind why you think you have the moral highground in this. You knowingly and willingly crashed the node ffs... at a 4:1 advantage no less? I'm betting you probably didn't jump in at even odds because you knew what the result would be. Well... you get what you deserve. You're not playing to have fun, you're not playing to win, you're playing to have an excuse for losing. I know I'll get flamed, etc... Pearls before swine and all that. LM Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 09:19:00 - [420] I won't accuse anyone of exploiting or cheating, but from what I understand, ASCN pilots have lost the log in race after node crash EVERY SINGLE TIME. That is frustrating and strange. Probably BoB knows how to operate better under extreme lag conditions, I have no problem with that. I have a problem with CCP for failing to deliver us a service we pay for every month. To those who say we should bring no more ships than BoB brings, it's just a stupid and childish remark. BoB has the advantage of more fleet operations experience and of a higher average sp amount per pilot. ASCN has numbers as an advantage, but thanks to CCP we can't use it.

Kerkar Minmatar THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 09:36:00 - [421] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Here is an unbiased status of what happened sicne yesterday till now . -Pos shooting comences with dreads and our fleet guarding it with ASCN hostiles in local , no attempt to defend their POS was made , thats after the 2 carriers got smoked. -Later on huge ASCN fleet arrives at Tcag and ugs the pos while another fleet of theirs prepares in one of their TPar Pos. -Several hours wasted on waiting for either the Tpar or Tcag fleets to bring it and start the pew pew but zip later on i logged off and there was a fight and another ASCN carrier was smoked. -Tcag fleet finaly showed up at Tpar gate and started to set them selves so we decided to jump czo we do wanna have a fight , the usual happens and node crashes and both fleets are attempting to relog. -ASCN pilots petion us for crashign the node or maybe it was a stroek of luck , although what we did was jump our 100 man gang to their 100 + gang in Tcag , Gms investigate it and nothing happens and ASCN pilots just dont want to log on , TBH if u didnt waste ur time making petions and attempted to log on maybe u might have had more ppl to fight , but according to the comments from ASCN pilots in loca which i have one in my BIO i think they did the petion. -ASCN pilots start randomly logging in and getting ganked with no organization which results in our KB stats. -Several more hours of constant warping in or out in hope that the hostile fleet will enage but still no major fight. -POS bashing comences and 2 more Large ASCN towers sent to oblivion . Falme , whine , complain , up to u realy , i was there and thats what happened . Oh and that is not an unbiased view, since you dont know what went on on our side. Just feel the need to ammend, we warped to the tpar gate with the advantage begun attacking bob, node crashed, log back in, re-assemble. Once we are back together we move to attack bob again, only for the node to crash again mid warp as we moved out. THen i left. Oh and i saw a world of bob taunts in local with next to nothing said by ASCN. Seems you guys do make a big deal of nothing but its a great pity the node had to go down so much.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 09:37:00 - [422] You can use your numbers advantage just fine, you just don't manage to. The logging in race thing I don't know about either, it's probably the result of organisation rather then something else. I can conceive of no other factor that could be of influence. Old blog
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 09:39:00 - [423] Edited by: Sir JoJo on 08/10/2006 09:43:10 Originally by: Zeveron Edited by: Zeveron on 08/10/2006 09:15:38 Originally by: Ab Initio Most of the points in Cyvoks post have already had 20 rebuttles posted against it, but I would like to comment on one particular item. Lag. There is no point complaining about it constantly, it's a part of the game. Just like us Aussies complaining about drought, at what point do we realise that this is what we have to work with. During fighting yesterday, there was between 160 - 190 ASCN camping TCAG gate in TPAR. A massive amount of those ships were BS, and there firepower was horrific (we lost a couple of runs, including 6 BS downed in about 8 - 10 seconds at one point). At the hight of there numbers, we were at our lowest of about 17 BS, and we kept engaging (and winning). During the entire fight, we warped in at range on every run so that both sides could load, and then warped into the field to engage. Now how you can: 1. Have a go at us for not engaging you. When those are 11:1 odds during that fight (that lasted for almost an entire day). 2. Have a go at us for lag? Everytime we engaged you, you had to load 17 ships. We had to load 160+. Everytime we engaged we did everything we could to minimise lag and get good fights. Everyone can say what they want on these boards, but the ASCN and BOB that are actually in these fights know what's going on. sign on that. Well the numbers are again not accurate but grats for engaging. Both sides had fun: Engagment1 Engagment2 Engagment3 Engagment4 The fights were not that uneven, bcs many of us were out off range (check the 4rth video). There were some engagments more, but forgot to push the fraps button (was damn sleepy and tiered, beeing there 12h). Again grats of u guys giving us a good fight and most important fun :-) i agree numbers rarly are rights simply becasue ppl usually look at gang chat and whatever that arent in gang is considered enemys so even i 50 ppl is afk combined in the 2 sys and its prolly 25 on each side most ppl count all 50 as enemy. as for u fights where even cause u had alot out range. well first off the fights where not even u FC made a mistake or our FC win then and thus we came out on top initial the fight where not even but guess thats a learner . cya in space. snip Don't be nasty [email protected] to discuss mod - Cathath i am not nasty
HordeZla Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 09:50:00 - [424] I have to say i am amazed that ASCN file patations against us after there leadership openly state they are going to crash the nodes if we attack? as for the comment about ascn only matching our numbers....thats just silly. They are right, they should be allowed to take what ever fleet compliments they wish to defend there space also i hope the idea of using the best 5% pvpers to fight battles was a joke... I can't fly all 7 of my characters in a battle :) jk gf so far ascn
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.08 10:04:00 - [425] Originally by: HordeZla as for the comment about ascn only matching our numbers....thats just silly. They are right, they should be allowed to take what ever fleet compliments they wish to defend there space k.. whats sillier? bringing say.. 150 pilots to fight a 150 BoB fleet and actually getting to fight... or bringing 300 and having the node drop for sure...? Cause ASCN's numbers advantage only means one thing.. nodes are gonna die a lot. And judging from the kb stats in the last two days... numbers ain't helping ASCN in the slightest, infact they seem to make the situation worse, where ASCN become so disorganised upon trying to enter the game again after a node crash, that they just get picked off.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 10:08:00 - [426] Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/10/2006 10:09:22 Quote: Easy kills?? Seems you are getting exactly what you normally look for as well;) Took ASCN long enough to smell the coffee, but bless you, that coffee smells good. Hello Nykon. We are getting pvp against an alliance who isn't afraid to use Capital ships and who actually fight us. Not someone who hides or tries to bore us out (pa, fa, goons etc). We got a taste of this against CODA for a weekend, now we are getting it 23/7. It's all we ever want and I'm seeing people log onto BoB who haven't been seen in a long time. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.10.08 10:19:00 - [427] Edited by: welsh wizard on 08/10/2006 10:19:49 Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Here is an unbiased status of what happened sicne yesterday till now . lol Nice report Yazoul but here is the definition of unbiased: unbiased Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 10:27:00 - [428] Edited by: Darcuese on 08/10/2006 10:27:21 Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 08/10/2006 10:19:49 Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Here is an unbiased status of what happened sicne yesterday till now . lol Nice report Yazoul but here is the definition of unbiased: unbiased Move on please and continue to play tetris in Fountain or in that thread of yours Or at least state what did he write wrong Discussing moderation in your signature is bad. Don't do it- Tirg Imperial Academy is currently recruiting Paragol Soul residents
Deathsoul Caldari Evolution	Posted - 2006.10.08 10:37:00 - [429] Originally by: Zeveron Edited by: Zeveron on 08/10/2006 09:15:38 Originally by: Ab Initio Most of the points in Cyvoks post have already had 20 rebuttles posted against it, but I would like to comment on one particular item. Lag. There is no point complaining about it constantly, it's a part of the game. Just like us Aussies complaining about drought, at what point do we realise that this is what we have to work with. During fighting yesterday, there was between 160 - 190 ASCN camping TCAG gate in TPAR. A massive amount of those ships were BS, and there firepower was horrific (we lost a couple of runs, including 6 BS downed in about 8 - 10 seconds at one point). At the hight of there numbers, we were at our lowest of about 17 BS, and we kept engaging (and winning). During the entire fight, we warped in at range on every run so that both sides could load, and then warped into the field to engage. Now how you can: 1. Have a go at us for not engaging you. When those are 11:1 odds during that fight (that lasted for almost an entire day). 2. Have a go at us for lag? Everytime we engaged you, you had to load 17 ships. We had to load 160+. Everytime we engaged we did everything we could to minimise lag and get good fights. Everyone can say what they want on these boards, but the ASCN and BOB that are actually in these fights know what's going on. sign on that. Well the numbers are again not accurate but grats for engaging. Both sides had fun: Engagment1 Engagment2 Engagment3 Engagment4 The fights were not that uneven, bcs many of us were out off range (check the 4rth video). There were some engagments more, but forgot to push the fraps button (was damn sleepy and tiered, beeing there 12h). Again grats of u guys giving us a good fight and most important fun :-) You actualy should show ASCN this (oh you are 1 of them :l) so they figure out that they cant cry and brable over lag when you have such a nice proofs that your ship IS workin and you are NOT killed by exploid from some sperminator ubergun. From what i see in those videos i can thou tell you one thing, i see 5 points that you could fix to get allot less lag, now go sleep on it and figure what those points are, maby you should ask your FC if he knows (i doubt it thou).
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.10.08 10:52:00 - [430] Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 08/10/2006 10:27:21 Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 08/10/2006 10:19:49 Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Here is an unbiased status of what happened sicne yesterday till now . lol Nice report Yazoul but here is the definition of unbiased: unbiased Move on please and continue to play tetris in Fountain or in that thread of yours Or at least state what did he write wrong Well if you cant see it I won't waste my time. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.

John McCreedy Caldari Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 10:58:00 - [431] BoB, ffs. Seriously 13 pages of this nonsence is enough. We're still in your space after 4 days - fact We still have 4 POS in your space - fact You have the lion's share of the kills - fact Node crashes every time we engage - fact Who cares? It's a game so stop all this smack and show some maturity. It's becoming rather tiresome. Make a Difference
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 11:01:00 - [432] Originally by: welsh wizard Well if you cant see it I won't waste my time. Cool, thanks Discussing moderation in your signature is bad. Don't do it- Tirg Imperial Academy is currently recruiting Paragol Soul residents
Irimi Nage Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 11:05:00 - [433] Originally by: papaPadla OMG im tired of all the forums thing. BOB has more... let's be honest... A ****LOAD MORE experience of running gang's and fleets and reacting under pressure. This ofcourse includes tricks about how the server works... how to avoid lag, how to login faster... etc Try to learn how to fight better not how to complain better. My thanks to all bob pilots teaching me (and all of ASCN) how to fight better, to organise better, giving those that are willing the so much needed fight experience. I know that specially those that lost ships to bob are now better pilots beacouse of it. Again, my thanks. Respect. ---
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 11:19:00 - [434] Edited by: Tholarim on 08/10/2006 11:19:32 Originally by: Moghydin I won't accuse anyone of exploiting or cheating, but from what I understand, ASCN pilots have lost the log in race after node crash EVERY SINGLE TIME. That is frustrating and strange. Probably BoB knows how to operate better under extreme lag conditions, I have no problem with that. I have a problem with CCP for failing to deliver us a service we pay for every month. As one of my members pointed out in this thread earlier: We crash, just like you do. We have a black screen, just like you do. We win the login after the node crash cus we know that every single person in our gang is logging in. Without hesitation, and without fear. You guys however seem to tell your ppl to use log on and off tactics to avoid the gate or just plain not logging in. We win, becus we completely 100 % trust every single member in our gang to do as he's told.
Dekiri Useless Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.08 11:22:00 - [435] Aside from all the childish nonsense in this thread i have to say that i am a bit curious why ASCN and BoB even engage with so many people. Especially ASCN who apparently have a numbers advantage... .. wouldn't it hurt much more if you where being a bit creative and start spamming poses in multiple BoB systems(not to close to each other) and attack multiple systems and split your fleet to force them to split theirs as well? That way you wont only be able to actually fight, you would also be able to exploit your numbers advantage to the max. My fleet combat experience is a bit limited, but if i have not made a huge mistake in my analysis then you could have it so easy, but instead force yourself into a lagfest that really noone needs. -------------- My dad can beat up your dad! Support lowsec!
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 11:23:00 - [436] Originally by: Dekiri Aside from all the childish nonsense in this thread i have to say that i am a bit curious why ASCN and BoB even engage with so many people. Especially ASCN who apparently have a numbers advantage... .. wouldn't it hurt much more if you where being a bit creative and start spamming poses in multiple BoB systems(not to close to each other) and attack multiple systems and split your fleet to force them to split theirs as well? That way you wont only be able to actually fight, you would also be able to exploit your numbers advantage to the max. My fleet combat experience is a bit limited, but if i have not made a huge mistake in my analysis then you could have it so easy, but instead force yourself into a lagfest that really noone needs. POS spam is creative now? k.
TWD TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 11:24:00 - [437] Originally by: papaPadla OMG im tired of all the forums thing. BOB has more... let's be honest... A **LOAD MORE experience of running gang's and fleets and reacting under pressure. This ofcourse includes tricks about how the server works... how to avoid lag, how to login faster**... etc Try to learn how to fight better not how to complain better. My thanks to all bob pilots teaching me (and all of ASCN) how to fight better, to organise better, giving those that are willing the so much needed fight experience. I know that specially those that lost ships to bob are now better pilots beacouse of it. Again, my thanks. CCP has provided BoB with our very own special proxy server. This gives us the following advantages: - No jump/login queue - No lag - Instant logging in We're very grateful to get this fair advantage.
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 11:26:00 - [438] Edited by: Sir JoJo on 08/10/2006 11:28:10 Originally by: John McCreedy BoB, ffs. Seriously 13 pages of this nonsence is enough. 1: We're still in your space after 4 days - fact 2:We still have 4 POS in your space - fact 3:You have the lion's share of the kills - fact 4:Node crashes every time we engage - fact Who cares? It's a game so stop all this smack and show some maturity. It's becoming rather tiresome. 1. yes but thats only while we clean up 2. yes but out of how many??? and they wont be there for long 3. yes we have kills 4. well not really only when we at peak and have ***loads online personally i love the 50 vs 50 and 25 vs 50 cause they basiclly lag free and very much fun. and for u last comment tjeck u own ranks before going at ours chers snip* Don't be nasty [email protected] to discuss mod - Cathath i am not nasty
Dekiri Useless Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.08 11:32:00 - [439] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Dekiri Aside from all the childish nonsense in this thread i have to say that i am a bit curious why ASCN and BoB even engage with so many people. Especially ASCN who apparently have a numbers advantage... .. wouldn't it hurt much more if you where being a bit creative and start spamming poses in multiple BoB systems(not to close to each other) and attack multiple systems and split your fleet to force them to split theirs as well? That way you wont only be able to actually fight, you would also be able to exploit your numbers advantage to the max. My fleet combat experience is a bit limited, but if i have not made a huge mistake in my analysis then you could have it so easy, but instead force yourself into a lagfest that really noone needs. POS spam is creative now? k. You obviously can't read =/ The creative part would be to not take the main force into one system, but instead hurt at different spots instead of producing lag. POS spamming is of course going to happen(it apparently already does so if or if not to spam poses is not the question here obviously) the game mechanics force it somehow, but how you do it is not forced on you. I honestly would have expected a less stupid answer to my question, but i guess i have to take what i get. -------------- My dad can beat up your dad! Support lowsec!
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 11:33:00 - [440] Originally by: John McCreedy We're still in your space after 4 days - fact We still have 4 POS in your space - fact You have the lion's share of the kills - fact Node crashes every time we engage - fact 9 of your large control towers have been destroyed - fact You've only succeeded in destroying two small and completely irrelevent pos - fact

Beyond Horizon Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.08 11:38:00 - [441] 25vs25 LAG free battles??? GIVF!!!!! Then BoB really do have a special-for-them proxy server if you have no lag when engaging 25x25, cause i have lagz when i fly solo =))))) "SESSION CHANGE IN PROGRESS" FTW - BH
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 11:38:00 - [442] Originally by: Dekiri Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Dekiri Aside from all the childish nonsense in this thread i have to say that i am a bit curious why ASCN and BoB even engage with so many people. Especially ASCN who apparently have a numbers advantage... .. wouldn't it hurt much more if you where being a bit creative and start spamming poses in multiple BoB systems(not to close to each other) and attack multiple systems and split your fleet to force them to split theirs as well? That way you wont only be able to actually fight, you would also be able to exploit your numbers advantage to the max. My fleet combat experience is a bit limited, but if i have not made a huge mistake in my analysis then you could have it so easy, but instead force yourself into a lagfest that really noone needs. POS spam is creative now? k. You obviously can't read =/ The creative part would be to not take the main force into one system, but instead hurt at different spots instead of producing lag. POS spamming is of course going to happen(it apparently already does so if or if not to spam poses is not the question here obviously) the game mechanics force it somehow, but how you do it is not forced on you. I honestly would have expected a less stupid answer to my question, but i guess i have to take what i get. Actually, her respense was more of a question than an answer so i guess that make's you pretty stupid tbh. Iron and G eat babie's, my views are my own and do not reflect my corp or my alliance
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 11:45:00 - [443] Originally by: Beyond Horizon 25vs25 LAG free battles??? GIVF!!!!! Then BoB really do have a special-for-them proxy server if you have no lag when engaging 25x25, cause i have lagz when i fly solo =))))) "SESSION CHANGE IN PROGRESS" FTW Note that i said basiclly its a online game there will always be lag.. but yeah we have small fleets fights whit very little lag thats very enjoyable. snip Don't be nasty [email protected] to discuss mod - Cathath i am not nasty
Dekiri Useless Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.08 11:49:00 - [444] Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Dekiri Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Dekiri Aside from all the childish nonsense in this thread i have to say that i am a bit curious why ASCN and BoB even engage with so many people. Especially ASCN who apparently have a numbers advantage... .. wouldn't it hurt much more if you where being a bit creative and start spamming poses in multiple BoB systems(not to close to each other) and attack multiple systems and split your fleet to force them to split theirs as well? That way you wont only be able to actually fight, you would also be able to exploit your numbers advantage to the max. My fleet combat experience is a bit limited, but if i have not made a huge mistake in my analysis then you could have it so easy, but instead force yourself into a lagfest that really noone needs. POS spam is creative now? k. You obviously can't read =/ The creative part would be to not take the main force into one system, but instead hurt at different spots instead of producing lag. POS spamming is of course going to happen(it apparently already does so if or if not to spam poses is not the question here obviously) the game mechanics force it somehow, but how you do it is not forced on you. I honestly would have expected a less stupid answer to my question, but i guess i have to take what i get. Actually, her respense was more of a question than an answer so i guess that make's you pretty stupid tbh. Sorry what is a respense? And no i guess you don't get it. I asked a question and it misunderstood the question or misinterpreted parts of it. Also i think it is not to far fetched to take an obviously rethorical question as an answer, since it doesn't expect an answer and obviously tries to communicate i think it is safe to say that it was some kind of anser to my question. Especially since my post was being quoted. -------------- My dad can beat up your dad! Support lowsec!
magickangaroo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 11:53:00 - [445] Originally by: Zeveron Ok normaly I am not doing this and I shouldnt join any flame wars. But explain me somthing. If u understand the lag problems and you have that much lag we got when we jumping/warping in, why the hack comming then in the forums and you guys posting YAY !!!!!!!!! we got 70 bs kills with no loss. Yeah right, u cannot get killed if ur enemy is loading. Here an example: Nice kill :-) I am making another one for the todays try to jump in TCAG system. Its ok, you got the kill. I dont have a problem with getting killed. The problem I have with u guys is that you come and you refer at those kills as accomplishments. Well have fun with ur easy kills :-) dude i used to fly with GODS ALOT, in fact they were pretty much who i flew with. just lookin at that video and your statements its clear to anyone with half a clue about large scale pvp what your doing wrong. wish tumadra would get his ass out of wow and sort you guys out, he should be ashamed of what youve become. (GAL11) Brigadier General yay
Kozak Caldari Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 12:00:00 - [446] I don't think it's possible to actually have an enjoyable fight against BoB. If they were so sure of themselves, why use TeamSpeak spys? Every battle, we have TS spys. Meh. You want a lag free battle, I'll fight every bob member in a 1v1 BS fight
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 12:12:00 - [447] Originally by: Kozak Every battle, we have TS spys. Except, we don't. And, tbh, if you guys can't use the tools at your disposal to secure your communications network then you only have yourselves to blame.
TheDeathStar The Flying Dutchmen	Posted - 2006.10.08 12:19:00 - [448] Originally by: Sir JoJo Edited by: Sir JoJo on 06/10/2006 21:43:37 Originally by: Krystian Good job ASCN for being the first (or first in a long while) to lay siege to BoB space. Siege. hmm not sure all ppl have the same opinion on how a siege would look like. it maybe started as the shortest siege ever but sure aint anything like it anymore. If i'm not mistaken nobody from ascn said anything about a siege off tpar too start with! So you are disagreeing with your own alliance leader then i guess?
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 12:26:00 - [449] Originally by: TheDeathStar Originally by: Sir JoJo Edited by: Sir JoJo on 06/10/2006 21:43:37 Originally by: Krystian Good job ASCN for being the first (or first in a long while) to lay siege to BoB space. Siege. hmm not sure all ppl have the same opinion on how a siege would look like. it maybe started as the shortest siege ever but sure aint anything like it anymore. If i'm not mistaken nobody from ascn said anything about a siege off tpar too start with! So you are disagreeing with your own alliance leader then i guess? read who the reply was to. and feel free to ask molle if he think we under siege, acsn meant to lay siege but failed badly. also if u read the top post ull clearly see that the siege never realy turned into a siege. snip Don't be nasty [email protected] to discuss mod - Cathath i am not nasty
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.08 12:29:00 - [450] Originally by: magickangaroo Originally by: Zeveron Ok normaly I am not doing this and I shouldnt join any flame wars. But explain me somthing. If u understand the lag problems and you have that much lag we got when we jumping/warping in, why the hack comming then in the forums and you guys posting YAY !!!!!!!!! we got 70 bs kills with no loss. Yeah right, u cannot get killed if ur enemy is loading. Here an example: Nice kill :-) I am making another one for the todays try to jump in TCAG system. Its ok, you got the kill. I dont have a problem with getting killed. The problem I have with u guys is that you come and you refer at those kills as accomplishments. Well have fun with ur easy kills :-) dude i used to fly with GODS ALOT, in fact they were pretty much who i flew with. just lookin at that video and your statements its clear to anyone with half a clue about large scale pvp what your doing wrong. wish tumadra would get his ass out of wow and sort you guys out, he should be ashamed of what youve become. you obviusly cannot read. the problem is not that I got killed, the problem is that you guys, come on the forums and claim u r uber bcs you get 70 kills of ppl who loading and suffer no loss. Again nice u get the kills, but insteed of claiming how uber BoB is (who in fact is maybe the best pvp alliance), we must all togather ***** ccp to fix the srv probs. ----------------------------------

Sirr Hammer Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 12:55:00 - [451] oo so many post :-) first of. the sigde of tpar is defenly over it really only lastet 12-16 houres ..after that we coud almost unhindered jump in and out of tpar ..so sigde over ..yes u stil got players in tpar ..yes maby there is stil 1 or 2 of ur 13 posses from ur first snig attack left ..not really a big deal ...we woud love to fight u lag free .. but evrey chance u se u sit on the in gate camping .trying to use the jump lag .. numerus times we gave u the chance to jump us in same system. but u chose not to even that u had loads more ships and alomst 90% more scorps then us :-)and if any enemy pilot think that this attack.has gained anything exsept for losses and humiliation..they are wrong...but keep beliving it ..so we keep getting kils .me personaly think that cyvok think he foud a taktik that work ...go make a half atempt to take a non critical station sigde a system whit as many players as possebol. leet bob kil and mayhem the enemy posses and ships .then fall back and hope .bobs blodhunger is settelt and ride the storm that way .its most likly not right but it coud be if ur lokking on the fackts of the last feew days . next topic iff u really wahnt to fight just go to tcag convo oure fc and ask for a fight im sure whatever number of bs and what ever range u deside ull get a positive respons ..as long ofc that the rest of ur fleet is 2 jumps off tcag .but that vil newer happen so nm..i heard that ppl logging in after a node cras get there stuf replaced .in my opinion in thise large battels. when u log back in there is 2 ways it can go ...1 u get in before ur enemy and u get kills ...2 u dont get in before ur enemys and u might die ..they point here is u dont die beceouse of the node crash- no u die beceous u try to get a heads up on ur aponent .and therefor know the risk of logging in when u know and understand the risk. and try to gain from it ..when u lose u shudent get compensatet ..but just my op.so keep em comming this is not the end its barly the beginning..
Sutter Kane Caldari Zombie Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.08 12:58:00 - [452] Originally by: Beyond Horizon 25vs25 LAG free battles??? GIVF!!!!! Then BoB really do have a special-for-them proxy server if you have no lag when engaging 25x25, cause i have lagz when i fly solo =))))) "SESSION CHANGE IN PROGRESS" FTW Maby time to replace your sinclair spectrum cpu for a new one :)
slip66 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 13:13:00 - [453] looks like I picked the right time to get back home after being at sea! See you all in game soon. Looks like some things never change :) I need a new sig! taking offers! Originally by: StOrM ViPeR Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 13:16:00 - [454] Edited by: Darcuese on 08/10/2006 13:16:49 Originally by: Sirr Hammer I need to press ENTER button more often and sometimes SPACE bar too when writing posts like this Discussing moderation in your signature is bad. Don't do it- Tirg Imperial Academy is currently recruiting Paragol Soul residents
James Britanicus Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 13:27:00 - [455] Originally by: Tholarim Edited by: Tholarim on 08/10/2006 11:19:32 Originally by: Moghydin I won't accuse anyone of exploiting or cheating, but from what I understand, ASCN pilots have lost the log in race after node crash EVERY SINGLE TIME. That is frustrating and strange. Probably BoB knows how to operate better under extreme lag conditions, I have no problem with that. I have a problem with CCP for failing to deliver us a service we pay for every month. As one of my members pointed out in this thread earlier: We crash, just like you do. We have a black screen, just like you do. We win the login after the node crash cus we know that every single person in our gang is logging in. Without hesitation, and without fear. You guys however seem to tell your ppl to use log on and off tactics to avoid the gate or just plain not logging in. We win, becus we completely 100 % trust every single member in our gang to do as he's told. I have been in several of the node dropping conflicts. and I state categorically that no ascn FC has ever ordered a log off in the conflicts I have been in. I truely believe that no ASCN FC has ever ordered a log off. However yes we have been ordered to delay loggin in after node crash but this is because you guys manage to log back in enmass even before some of us realize that the node even crashed. It would be silly to log back in when you(BoB) have obvious control of the gate. If More FC's prevented individual logins after the node crash then your kill board would not be as full as it is. Fleet battles against well experienced players such as yourselves is a very steep learning curve. LIke a baby learning to walk. Lotsa falls at the beginning but eventualy they learn to run, kick, play soccer and fight. You are teaching us how to walk, run even my only regret is that we are learning too slowly and falling too often. But I implore you to stick to the facts. Most of us are enjoying this and are honorable players and both sides need to stop making allegations and inuendo's. This is a game but due to it's longevity there have been numerous grudges built and they keep rearing their ugly heads. Congrats to BoB on their success's and kudo's to ASCN on their big brass balls and their ability to die as often as necessary in order to learn. With respect to both sides. Brit **************************************************************** He thinks he is Uber, if you don't believe me, just ask him :)
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.08 13:31:00 - [456] Originally by: Deathsoul Originally by: Zeveron Edited by: Zeveron on 08/10/2006 09:15:38 Originally by: Ab Initio Most of the points in Cyvoks post have already had 20 rebuttles posted against it, but I would like to comment on one particular item. Lag. There is no point complaining about it constantly, it's a part of the game. Just like us Aussies complaining about drought, at what point do we realise that this is what we have to work with. During fighting yesterday, there was between 160 - 190 ASCN camping TCAG gate in TPAR. A massive amount of those ships were BS, and there firepower was horrific (we lost a couple of runs, including 6 BS downed in about 8 - 10 seconds at one point). At the hight of there numbers, we were at our lowest of about 17 BS, and we kept engaging (and winning). During the entire fight, we warped in at range on every run so that both sides could load, and then warped into the field to engage. Now how you can: 1. Have a go at us for not engaging you. When those are 11:1 odds during that fight (that lasted for almost an entire day). 2. Have a go at us for lag? Everytime we engaged you, you had to load 17 ships. We had to load 160+. Everytime we engaged we did everything we could to minimise lag and get good fights. Everyone can say what they want on these boards, but the ASCN and BOB that are actually in these fights know what's going on. sign on that. Well the numbers are again not accurate but grats for engaging. Both sides had fun: Engagment1 Engagment2 Engagment3 Engagment4 The fights were not that uneven, bcs many of us were out off range (check the 4rth video). There were some engagments more, but forgot to push the fraps button (was damn sleepy and tiered, beeing there 12h). Again grats of u guys giving us a good fight and most important fun :-) You actualy should show ASCN this (oh you are 1 of them :l) so they figure out that they cant cry and brable over lag when you have such a nice proofs that your ship IS workin and you are NOT killed by exploid from some sperminator ubergun. From what i see in those videos i can thou tell you one thing, i see 5 points that you could fix to get allot less lag, now go sleep on it and figure what those points are, maby you should ask your FC if he knows (i doubt it thou). well I maybe know some of the points u mean. The problem in my case is not the client server lag, but the server side lag and node crash. I could make my client some nanoseconds faster, but thats not the problem. The problem is this: http://eve-files.com/dl/62742 There is no need to dl the file. Its only me trying to jump in TCAG 5 minutes, till the node crashes. When the node crashed I was in G-M. When I logged in later, I was in TCAG. I couldnt join the fight, while u (and I belive all the ppl in TCAG, ASCN and BoB, could). Can I optimize my client for that? If yes pls explain me how. If not, lets request from CCP to fix it. Now enough posting, I am gona c you all in space ----------------------------------
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 13:36:00 - [457] Originally by: James Britanicus However yes we have been ordered to delay loggin in after node crash but this is because you guys manage to log back in enmass even before some of us realize that the node even crashed. u sound like a reasnobel man but that thing u dont really belive u self do u? well when node crash usually i see a error msg and then client reboots. if we manage to log in before u guys realise they crashed u must have awefull lots off afk ppl in u gang snip Don't be nasty [email protected] to discuss mod - Cathath i am not nasty
hazeb Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 13:40:00 - [458] Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:41:11 Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:40:47 Originally by: James Britanicus I have been in several of the node dropping conflicts. and I state categorically that no ascn FC has ever ordered a log off in the conflicts I have been in. I truely believe that no ASCN FC has ever ordered a log off. to that I just have one thing to say... http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav[/url dam interface
BadManEdmundo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 13:43:00 - [459] Originally by: hazeb to that I just have one thing to say... [url="http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav"[/url] ho ho ho, thats a keeper. __________________
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 13:44:00 - [460] Well, I doubt ASCN intend to seige you, or take over your space. But what they have achieved is to distract you. To take you back home, and move the focus of your attention out of their space. Its an intelligent move. And crucially, it has worked. You have played into their hands as they knew you would.

Mace Ardguy Dark Wheel	Posted - 2006.10.08 13:55:00 - [461] Hell, I'd log off if things lagged to buggery and if my enemy had a history of logging in faster turning a fleet engagement in to a fish-in-a-barrel shoot. What is staggering is that there are people arguing on there. FC has command. That's it. In my previous corp we operated a three strikes and you're out policy. That would be a strike. ASCN sounds like a disorganised rabble where they debate each instruction. Democracy doesn't work when someone has a gun to your head.
Monarch Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.08 13:59:00 - [462] Originally by: hazeb Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:41:11 Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:40:47 Originally by: James Britanicus I have been in several of the node dropping conflicts. and I state categorically that no ascn FC has ever ordered a log off in the conflicts I have been in. I truely believe that no ASCN FC has ever ordered a log off. to that I just have one thing to say... http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav[/url dam interface PWND yet again.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:02:00 - [463] Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/10/2006 14:05:27 Originally by: hazeb Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:41:11 Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:40:47 Originally by: James Britanicus I have been in several of the node dropping conflicts. and I state categorically that no ascn FC has ever ordered a log off in the conflicts I have been in. I truely believe that no ASCN FC has ever ordered a log off. to that I just have one thing to say... http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav dam interface I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:03:00 - [464] Originally by: Butter Dog Well, I doubt ASCN intend to seige you, or take over your space. But what they have achieved is to distract you. To take you back home, and move the focus of your attention out of their space. Its an intelligent move. And crucially, it has worked. You have played into their hands as they knew you would. Ok, assuming you are right. Then ASCN has managed to delay us by the grand total of four days so far. Delayed us during a premature stage of the war (since we hadn't even really started yet, we were just having a bit of fun in their space without any immediate objective other then killing lots of stuff, which we did) in which there is relatively little to gain by delaying us for that grand total of four days. The cost of that has been about 150 or so battleships and three carriers and soon about 13 large control towers if I recall things rightly, as well as serious demoralisation judging by what we hear has been said to those few poor guys that actually still try to assert some semblence of control over the ASCN forces. I'm sure they intended that, definately. And I'm sure we don't really mind that either. I'm all for deing delayed this way Old blog
Coranor Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:03:00 - [465] Edited by: Coranor on 08/10/2006 14:04:26 Originally by: Butter Dog Well, I doubt ASCN intend to seige you, or take over your space. But what they have achieved is to distract you. To take you back home, and move the focus of your attention out of their space. Its an intelligent move. And crucially, it has worked. You have played into their hands as they knew you would. Yeah it only cost them 13 large POS and somewhere in the vicinty of 180 battleships. Something tells me that they did'nt intend that to happen. You don't commit that many resources to a simple distraction. Not even ascn have pockets so bottomless as to shrug off losses like that. oh and Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. Bit of Deja v· there tbh. --------------
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:04:00 - [466] Originally by: Coranor Originally by: Butter Dog Well, I doubt ASCN intend to seige you, or take over your space. But what they have achieved is to distract you. To take you back home, and move the focus of your attention out of their space. Its an intelligent move. And crucially, it has worked. You have played into their hands as they knew you would. Yeah it only cost them 13 large POS and somewhere in the vicinty of 180 battleships. Something tells me that they did'nt intend that to happen. You don't commit that many resources to a simple distraction. Not even ascn have pockets so bottomless as to shrug off losses like that. BS are insurable, they are self-sufficient in terms of mods, so the only real cost is the POS. Frankly I could afford 13 large POS on my own, never mind the largest and richest alliance in EVE. So, I don't really agree with your analysis. They could probably afford that 100 times over.
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:07:00 - [467] Originally by: BadManEdmundo Originally by: hazeb to that I just have one thing to say... [url="http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav"[/url] ho ho ho, thats a keeper. its not the log off command that gets me.. but the funniest thing about that is.. "we are in BoB space guys, we cant do anything BUT we are in BoB space." love it. --------------------------------------------- Maybe we will win the war by getting every bob pilot banned from eve maybe.:/ --thebold
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:12:00 - [468] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Coranor Originally by: Butter Dog Well, I doubt ASCN intend to seige you, or take over your space. But what they have achieved is to distract you. To take you back home, and move the focus of your attention out of their space. Its an intelligent move. And crucially, it has worked. You have played into their hands as they knew you would. Yeah it only cost them 13 large POS and somewhere in the vicinty of 180 battleships. Something tells me that they did'nt intend that to happen. You don't commit that many resources to a simple distraction. Not even ascn have pockets so bottomless as to shrug off losses like that. BS are insurable, they are self-sufficient in terms of mods, so the only real cost is the POS. Frankly I could afford 13 large POS on my own, never mind the largest and richest alliance in EVE. So, I don't really agree with your analysis. They could probably afford that 100 times over. And so can we. The difference being that they are going to need to afford that 100 times over as far as we are concerned, and that they are incapable of forcing us to deal with any serious losses of our own so far. Aside from that, you're again forgetting that constant pressure is far more important then the actual losses. And pressure is psychological too, which means it's unimportant where you are being shot to pieces, the hurtfull part for any alliances is being shot to pieces at all, and having rifts form within the ranks because of it. That is, if you operate from a standpoint of fearing loss of what you've achieved above everything else, something ASCN does and we don't. Even if a war wouldn't cost ASCN a single net isk, but would have all the other usual effects, they'd still lose it in the end. Old blog
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:18:00 - [469] Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. You really need to step away from the keyboard for a while. Eve Blacklight Style
Coranor Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:18:00 - [470] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Coranor Originally by: Butter Dog Well, I doubt ASCN intend to seige you, or take over your space. But what they have achieved is to distract you. To take you back home, and move the focus of your attention out of their space. Its an intelligent move. And crucially, it has worked. You have played into their hands as they knew you would. Yeah it only cost them 13 large POS and somewhere in the vicinty of 180 battleships. Something tells me that they did'nt intend that to happen. You don't commit that many resources to a simple distraction. Not even ascn have pockets so bottomless as to shrug off losses like that. BS are insurable, they are self-sufficient in terms of mods, so the only real cost is the POS. Frankly I could afford 13 large POS on my own, never mind the largest and richest alliance in EVE. So, I don't really agree with your analysis. They could probably afford that 100 times over. Oh so they get all their t2 weapons and modules for free then? Oh i did'nt know that damn. 13 large pos, though you personally may be able to afford them, are not a distraction. Its an invasion. You don't commit them unless you're having a go and you don't put the morale of your fleets on the line and lose 180 bs unless you're having a proper go. leaving. --------------

Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:20:00 - [471] Originally by: hazeb Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:41:11 Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:40:47 Originally by: James Britanicus I have been in several of the node dropping conflicts. and I state categorically that no ascn FC has ever ordered a log off in the conflicts I have been in. I truely believe that no ASCN FC has ever ordered a log off. to that I just have one thing to say... [url="http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav"linky[/url dam interface ROFL ! just omg ROFL, i need to know who made the log off order pleeeeaaassseee. BobÖ Goon Swatter - Eliminates Every Goon
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:23:00 - [472] seems like Ascn leadership is now aware of the demoralizing effect the tpar results have on their troops moral. Ascn added non BoB corps (tpar locals) kills to the campaign data to boost the efficency from 30 to 40% ignoring to add Aznac, Pos and Axe losses ofc. Who are you trying to kid cyvok ? This reminds me soo much about the good old Xetic days. Give it 2 more weeks and Cyvok will make a run for the hills again...
Dekiri Useless Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:23:00 - [473] Originally by: hazeb Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. hahaha ok then. It might sound funny but the admiral has a point there. -------------- My dad can beat up your dad! Support lowsec!
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:23:00 - [474] Originally by: Coranor Oh so they get all their t2 weapons and modules for free then? Oh i did'nt know that damn. 13 large pos, though you personally may be able to afford them, are not a distraction. Its an invasion. You don't commit them unless you're having a go and you don't put the morale of your fleets on the line and lose 180 bs unless you're having a proper go. leaving. Well assuming they have the necessary BPO's, one could say they are as good as free, though what matters is not that - it is if they can afford to lose them. One should assume they can, I'd be shocked to hear otherwise. With regard to them 'invading', well... you know as well as me, that ASCN have no intention to invade your space. On the other had, you have been present in their space rather a lot. Think about it. All those hundreds of miners in ASCN space leaving the Ark alone for a few weeks. They were probably getting withdrawal symptoms. With you away for 4 days back home, their now liberated industrialists could pay for those 12 POS a hundred times over. You talk about 'pressure' but from the looks of things they are actually having fun, seeing as they WILLINGLY brought a fight into your own space. And fun is a good thing. Good luck to both of you on the quest to enjoy yourselves.
hazeb Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:25:00 - [475] Originally by: Kryztal ROFL ! just omg ROFL, i need to know who made the log off order pleeeeaaassseee. that was mccool. Their FC.
Ty'derian ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:26:00 - [476] Edited by: Ty''derian on 08/10/2006 14:27:05 Edited by: Ty''derian on 08/10/2006 14:26:27 Originally by: Kryztal Originally by: hazeb Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:41:11 Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:40:47 Originally by: James Britanicus I have been in several of the node dropping conflicts. and I state categorically that no ascn FC has ever ordered a log off in the conflicts I have been in. I truely believe that no ASCN FC has ever ordered a log off. l to that I just have one thing to say... [url="http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav"linky[/url dam interface ROFL ! just omg ROFL, i need to know who made the log off order pleeeeaaassseee. sorry guys.. but.. i think thats a little bit ill. eve is only a game and that what a kind of you ppl do is absolut poor nothing else. And to spy ppl on their teamspeakservers etc. its only sick and dont give you honor.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:27:00 - [477] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. You really need to step away from the keyboard for a while. And you really need to be aware of a few basic laws, as the publication of someones RL recorded voice without their permission, is not something to be taken lightly in the context of a game. Which is, after all, what this is. The whole recording and publication of that file makes me feel very uncomfortable. You blur the lines between gaming and RL. If I were you I would be ashamed of stooping too low, but perhaps I have too much moral conscience and mutual respect for others. Yes, even my enemies. You say I am the one who needs to step away from the keyboard? Thats rather hypocritical from someone who's alliance has resorted to a gross violation of someones basic privacy, and worse, blurred the distinction between RL and gaming to a very unhealthly degree. You prove your point on a forum with words, not illegal recordings.
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:29:00 - [478] Originally by: Butter Dog Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. Yes he would most likely tell you to call him again when uve a real job for him instead of something you think of beeing a huge lawcase. In most countries of this world someone using a free internet voicechat proggy and whining about beeing recorded for non commercial use will get laughed at by his own lawyer and the judge. Especially if ure talking about spaceships, virtual posessions and "logging off". So please stop beeing a part time lawyer....
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:29:00 - [479] Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. Been there, got the t-shirt, you don't have a leg to stand on.
Coranor Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:30:00 - [480] Originally by: Butter Dog [ With regard to them 'invading', well... you know as well as me, that ASCN have no intention to invade your space. Actually thats contrary to at least 3 of Cyvoks alliance mails. He expressed a desire to go on the offensive and keep the fighting in our space. The only consistent way to do this is to invade and establish a foothold. If you are right however and this is all a distraction then its the best distraction i've had since my ex stuffed her hand down my pants while i was watching tele :P --------------

Ty'derian ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:30:00 - [481] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/10/2006 14:29:25 Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. You really need to step away from the keyboard for a while. And you really need to be aware of a few basic laws, as the publication of someones RL recorded voice without their permission, is not something to be taken lightly, least of all in the context of a game. Which is, after all, what this is. The whole recording and publication of that file makes me feel very uncomfortable. You blur the lines between gaming and RL. If I were you I would be ashamed of stooping too low, but perhaps I have too much moral conscience and mutual respect for others. Yes, even my enemies. You say I am the one who needs to step away from the keyboard? Thats rather hypocritical from someone who's alliance has resorted to a gross violation of someones basic privacy, and worse, blurred the distinction between RL and gaming to a very unhealthly degree. You prove your point on a forum with the written word, not illegal and morally dubious audio recordings. good post thx
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:31:00 - [482] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. Been there, got the t-shirt, you don't have a leg to stand on. Why are you directing that reply at me? I'm not the one who's voice it is. If you think this behaviour is acceptable, you are an unfortunate and sad individual. And I mean that in a very RL sense.
maGz The Priory	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:32:00 - [483] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. You really need to step away from the keyboard for a while. And you guys need to step away and let people have/sound their oppinions... ____________ The Priory Killboard
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:32:00 - [484] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. Been there, got the t-shirt, you don't have a leg to stand on. Why are you directing that reply at me? I'm not the one who's voice it is. If you think this behaviour is acceptable, you are an unfortunate and sad individual. And I mean that in a very RL sense. I hear the samaritans have a freephone number, ring them, I'm sure they care.
Ty'derian ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:35:00 - [485] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. Been there, got the t-shirt, you don't have a leg to stand on. Why are you directing that reply at me? I'm not the one who's voice it is. If you think this behaviour is acceptable, you are an unfortunate and sad individual. And I mean that in a very RL sense. I hear the samaritans have a freephone number, ring them, I'm sure they care.
Dekiri Useless Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:35:00 - [486] Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Butter Dog Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. Yes he would most likely tell you to call him again when uve a real job for him instead of something you think of beeing a huge lawcase. In most countries of this world someone using a free internet voicechat proggy and whining about beeing recorded for non commercial use will get laughed at by his own lawyer and the judge. Especially if ure talking about spaceships, virtual posessions and "logging off". So please stop beeing a part time lawyer.... I would really like to see the example case you are referring to here(just assuming that you have one since you sound so smart and knowing) ... No country i know of has laws about that specifically. Most do have laws about privacy and the right to decide where you are being published yourself. Alone listening to it without a permit is not to be taken lighter then spying on ones private phone calls. You would definitly get far with something like that in the european union. I don't know about the USA or other places, but in most countries with basic human rights you could get into serious trouble. What they talk about and what context this private conversation is part of is completly irrelevant btw. You don't get less trouble if you spy on a private phone call that is about buying butter at the grocery store compared to more "important things". It is the violation of the privacy that is the cause not the context it was happening in. -------------- My dad can beat up your dad! Support lowsec!
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:35:00 - [487] Originally by: Butter Dog Why are you directing that reply at me? I'm not the one who's voice it is. If you think this behaviour is acceptable, you are an unfortunate and sad individual. And I mean that in a very RL sense. Because youre the one wasting alot of breath trying to prove a point which has neither legally nor morally a ground to stand on ? I really love the internet ppl who try to tell you with a straight face they will make a huge lawcase out of something which most courts wouldnt even look at considering the flood of trials and the unimportance of the case. And thats not even covering "cross nation" lawcases and all the other areas such a lawsuit would touch. So please do yourself a favour and get back on the real topic. Ascn spaceships pew pew vs bob spaceships pew pew.
benji Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:35:00 - [488] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Kozak Every battle, we have TS spys. Except, we don't. And, tbh, if you guys can't use the tools at your disposal to secure your communications network then you only have yourselves to blame. to that I just have one thing to say... http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav dam interface seems to me Louisa Torres that you are a liar!!!
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:37:00 - [489] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. Been there, got the t-shirt, you don't have a leg to stand on. Why are you directing that reply at me? I'm not the one who's voice it is. If you think this behaviour is acceptable, you are an unfortunate and sad individual. And I mean that in a very RL sense. I hear the samaritans have a freephone number, ring them, I'm sure they care. Why would I wish to ring the samaritans exactly? None of this directly effects me. Your posts don't even make sense. If you wish to address the very real legal and ethical issues I have previously raised, go right ahead. If you lack the intellectual capacity to do so, just keep quiet, for the sake of your own credibility. Well, what little you have left.
Ty'derian ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:39:00 - [490] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. Been there, got the t-shirt, you don't have a leg to stand on. Why are you directing that reply at me? I'm not the one who's voice it is. If you think this behaviour is acceptable, you are an unfortunate and sad individual. And I mean that in a very RL sense. I hear the samaritans have a freephone number, ring them, I'm sure they care. Why would I wish to ring the samaritans exactly? None of this directly effects me. Your posts don't even make sense. If you wish to address the very real legal and ethical issues I have previously raised, go right ahead. If you lack the intellectual capacity to do so, just keep quiet, for the sake of your own credibility. Well, what little you have left. look at Louisa Torres other posts and you know the answer, only crap nothing else :)

James Britanicus Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:40:00 - [491] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/10/2006 14:05:27 Originally by: hazeb Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:41:11 Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:40:47 Originally by: James Britanicus I have been in several of the node dropping conflicts. and I state categorically that no ascn FC has ever ordered a log off in the conflicts I have been in. I truely believe that no ASCN FC has ever ordered a log off. to that I just have one thing to say... http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav dam interface I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. I was there and you only have part of the converstation, What we were talking about was that people were logging back in staggered and the decision to control q was made to try and organize a mass log in so we don't appear at the gate one at a time for you to pad your killboards. The control q was given immediately after someone said the gate was clear (prolly the same BoB spy that recorded this convo) and that it was safe to log in but cov ops said it is not, thats why the control q order was given Further it was given to the pilots who were dc'd waiting for the log back in command.. As I remember that your TS spy was kicked as it was found that he was recording this convo. So now you have blood on your hands. This proves beyond any doubt that BoB uses TS spies. Respect level plumitting, will to fight increasing. TS Spying is lame and showes that you can't fight fairly. In my original post I said that the only time we ever ordered people to remain logged off was in the case as it happened last night that this piece of crap recording was made. Shame............ **************************************************************** He thinks he is Uber, if you don't believe me, just ask him :)
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:40:00 - [492] Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Butter Dog Why are you directing that reply at me? I'm not the one who's voice it is. If you think this behaviour is acceptable, you are an unfortunate and sad individual. And I mean that in a very RL sense. Because youre the one wasting alot of breath trying to prove a point which has neither legally nor morally a ground to stand on ? I really love the internet ppl who try to tell you with a straight face they will make a huge lawcase out of something which most courts wouldnt even look at considering the flood of trials and the unimportance of the case. And thats not even covering "cross nation" lawcases and all the other areas such a lawsuit would touch. So please do yourself a favour and get back on the real topic. Ascn spaceships pew pew vs bob spaceships pew pew. Read my posts, I'm not saying I will 'make a huge lawsuit'. Its not my voice, why should I care. If it WERE my voice I would simply ask my solicitor to contact the site admin to remove it. Nice and simple, really. But, I do care about blurring the boundaries between RL and gaming, to this unhealthy degree. If you need to be morally corrupt to win an argument, its probably not an arguement worth winning in the first place. As is that case here.
Dekiri Useless Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:41:00 - [493] I really wonder why you people think it is legally no big deal to spy on private conversations. It is like hacking someones phone nothing else. You could get punished for that as easy as long as the person can proove it was you who did it. I myself would probably not care enough, but BD does have a point when he make this a topic, because you guys are obviously not capable of realizing what you are doing there. -------------- My dad can beat up your dad! Support lowsec!
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:43:00 - [494] Originally by: Dekiri ... You know what, visit your own lawyer and present him the case. I know the outcome and ive seen it before. You on the otherhand believe in all the yada yada some clueless guys with neither a lawdegree nor any knowledge of international law spout. Back on topic. Ascn seems to be on the backfoot ? Whats the new strategy now or are you just soldiering on ?
Zardock Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:46:00 - [495] So in recap so far ASCN have made me spill my coffee over yet another conspiracy theory. BoB do not lag? What's next? Come on and show me some more of that creativity. MY 2 cents to ASCN: If you're tired of lagging then don't bring 200 people for our 100 gang. Bring in 1:1 odds... ASCN won't because they know full well that they need to outnumber us by a lot to stand a chance. In short, as long as you keep bringing large numbers you're to blame for the lag that you're complaining about :) This thread keeps going and going and going. It's run it's course. The MODS are just keeping it opened because I guess they consider it good entertainment :)
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:46:00 - [496] Originally by: hazeb Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:41:11 Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:40:47 Originally by: James Britanicus I have been in several of the node dropping conflicts. and I state categorically that no ascn FC has ever ordered a log off in the conflicts I have been in. I truely believe that no ASCN FC has ever ordered a log off. to that I just have one thing to say... http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav[/url dam interface From now on, everytime somebody accuses us of login hack tactics or some other laughable claim in regards to relogging after a node crash, I'm gonna quote this little gem of a wav file! Shame on you ASCN! You guys sit there on your TS and hear your FC tell you that, and have the nerve to come on here and claim that BoB are cheating cause everytime a node death happens we're all logged in first!! Oh the shame! >>> EvE Online Wallpapers <<<
ph33rf4ct0ry Minmatar Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:46:00 - [497] Originally by: Dekiri I really wonder why you people think it is legally no big deal to spy on private conversations. It is like hacking someones phone nothing else. You could get punished for that as easy as long as the person can proove it was you who did it. I myself would probably not care enough, but BD does have a point when he make this a topic, because you guys are obviously not capable of realizing what you are doing there. I agree and with Butter dung too, don't we execute spys? So once the trial is done and BoB members get convicted of spying they will be executed \o/ Member of the POST WITH YOUR MAIN SOCIETY
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:47:00 - [498] Originally by: hazeb Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:41:11 Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:40:47 Originally by: James Britanicus I have been in several of the node dropping conflicts. and I state categorically that no ascn FC has ever ordered a log off in the conflicts I have been in. I truely believe that no ASCN FC has ever ordered a log off. to that I just have one thing to say... http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav[/url dam interface Awww there goes credibility down the drain Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
James Britanicus Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:48:00 - [499] Originally by: Sir JoJo Originally by: James Britanicus However yes we have been ordered to delay loggin in after node crash but this is because you guys manage to log back in enmass even before some of us realize that the node even crashed. u sound like a reasnobel man but that thing u dont really belive u self do u? well when node crash usually i see a error msg and then client reboots. if we manage to log in before u guys realise they crashed u must have awefull lots off afk ppl in u gang TBH my modules turned red and stayed like that forever after the jump to the gate, Then my client died and I got error message and tried to log back in. I am not sure how long I was lagged for but I couldn't even activate a module once I jumped in. So like I said I have no idea of exactly when the node failed but I bet it was about 3 minutes before I got DC'd. Brit **************************************************************** He thinks he is Uber, if you don't believe me, just ask him :)
Dekiri Useless Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:48:00 - [500] Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Dekiri ... You know what, visit your own lawyer and present him the case. I know the outcome and ive seen it before. You on the otherhand believe in all the yada yada some clueless guys with neither a lawdegree nor any knowledge of international law spout. Back on topic. Ascn seems to be on the backfoot ? Whats the new strategy now or are you just soldiering on ? You don't get it i guess. It is not about making a huge lawsuit. It is probably completly impossible to punish someone for that, because you can't proove who did it. The point is that it is violating basic human rights and it is going a step to far into peoples privacy. The point is what is right and wrong and this is definitly wrong in a real life kind of way. I don't know about you, but i had my deals with international law myself more then once business wise and i am quite well trained when it comes to business stuff and the international "rights". I am also aware that you wont be able to get someone into jail for that most likely unless he is stupid and confesses that it was him. Everybody with bit of a brain would realize that it is indeed violating the laws of pretty much all of the free countries in the world. Wether or not you can punish someone for it is irrelevant. -------------- My dad can beat up your dad! Support lowsec!

Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:48:00 - [501] Originally by: HostageTaker Originally by: hazeb Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:41:11 Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:40:47 Originally by: James Britanicus I have been in several of the node dropping conflicts. and I state categorically that no ascn FC has ever ordered a log off in the conflicts I have been in. I truely believe that no ASCN FC has ever ordered a log off. to that I just have one thing to say... http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav[/url dam interface From now on, everytime somebody accuses us of login hack tactics or some other laughable claim in regards to relogging after a node crash, I'm gonna quote this little gem of a wav file! Shame on you ASCN! You guys sit there on your TS and hear your FC tell you that, and have the nerve to come on here and claim that BoB are cheating cause everytime a node death happens we're all logged in first!! Oh the shame! I hear ye, when you see stuff like this in local: [14:30:54] Malachon Draco > `CONGRATULATIONS [14:30:54] Malachon Draco > EXPLOITING ANOTHER GODDAMN NODECRASH [14:30:54] Malachon Draco > I WAS AT THE ******* POS you really start wonder how it will sound when ASCN start losing stations. You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:48:00 - [502] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Butter Dog I havent clicked on that link... but if its a voice recording you have taken without permission, you are on legally and morally very shaky ground. Certainly if my recorded voice appeared on a publically accessible website without my permission, I'd have a few things to say. Or rather, my solicitor would. You really need to step away from the keyboard for a while. Careful BL, the other day I suggested that one of "them" unplug their keyboard; I got a nice mail from the modsquad! >>> EvE Online Wallpapers <<<
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:49:00 - [503] Originally by: HostageTaker From now on, everytime somebody accuses us of login hack tactics or some other laughable claim in regards to relogging after a node crash, I'm gonna quote this little gem of a wav file! Shame on you ASCN! You guys sit there on your TS and hear your FC tell you that, and have the nerve to come on here and claim that BoB are cheating cause everytime a node death happens we're all logged in first!! Oh the shame! The only shame here is your alliance publishing someones voice on the internet without their permission, simply to win a forum arguement. Its more than shameful, it is utterly pathetic.
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:51:00 - [504] And btw about the legal implications... He was given the address and the password of the teamspeak server, so legaly you can't do ****. Deal with it :P Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:53:00 - [505] Originally by: Dekiri Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Dekiri ... You know what, visit your own lawyer and present him the case. I know the outcome and ive seen it before. You on the otherhand believe in all the yada yada some clueless guys with neither a lawdegree nor any knowledge of international law spout. Back on topic. Ascn seems to be on the backfoot ? Whats the new strategy now or are you just soldiering on ? You don't get it i guess. It is not about making a huge lawsuit. It is probably completly impossible to punish someone for that, because you can't proove who did it. The point is that it is violating basic human rights and it is going a step to far into peoples privacy. The point is what is right and wrong and this is definitly wrong in a real life kind of way. I don't know about you, but i had my deals with international law myself more then once business wise and i am quite well trained when it comes to business stuff and the international "rights". I am also aware that you wont be able to get someone into jail for that most likely unless he is stupid and confesses that it was him. Everybody with bit of a brain would realize that it is indeed violating the laws of pretty much all of the free countries in the world. Wether or not you can punish someone for it is irrelevant. as i said im my previous post, present your case to some lawyer close to you. Good or bad aside and let him tell you what will come out of it. Theoretically "robbing the t2 bpo from my corp" is as wrong since i rob them of their time spend etc. Still its part of this game. Ascn needs to tighten security and they wouldnt have spies. No matter if they just record stuff or just listen in. Private conversations are best held in private. Afterall youre not shouting out your bank details in a bar either and complaining later somene might have witnessed it or ? Now get back to the topic otherwise the mods will simply lock it for going offtopic and the tpar siege isnt over yet, is it ? So it would be a shame to kill this informative thread because of some semi knowledge law yada yada.
SkaffenAmtiskaw Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:54:00 - [506] Originally by: Butter Dog The only shame here is your alliance publishing someones voice on the internet without their permission, simply to win a forum arguement. Its more than shameful, it is utterly pathetic. Would you say this is completely different from forum spying? ______ 'A lot of the people in m0o were ok, a lot of them were exploiters, greiferes etc.' - Wrangler on m0o corp.
maGz The Priory	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:55:00 - [507] Originally by: TURBOman And btw about the legal implications... He was given the address and the password of the teamspeak server, so legaly you can't do ****. Deal with it :P If you cared to read and comprehend what people are actually saying it's not a problem whether it's legal or not... Problem is; it is considered a private server therefore one would assume that any conversation going on would be private as well. While publishing it is most likely legally ok, morally you just hit the bottom. Although it's seem like you continue to fall by continously defending the fact that it got posted... ____________ The Priory Killboard
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:55:00 - [508] Originally by: Dekiri Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Dekiri ... You know what, visit your own lawyer and present him the case. I know the outcome and ive seen it before. You on the otherhand believe in all the yada yada some clueless guys with neither a lawdegree nor any knowledge of international law spout. Back on topic. Ascn seems to be on the backfoot ? Whats the new strategy now or are you just soldiering on ? You don't get it i guess. It is not about making a huge lawsuit. It is probably completly impossible to punish someone for that, because you can't proove who did it. The point is that it is violating basic human rights and it is going a step to far into peoples privacy. The point is what is right and wrong and this is definitly wrong in a real life kind of way. I don't know about you, but i had my deals with international law myself more then once business wise and i am quite well trained when it comes to business stuff and the international "rights". I am also aware that you wont be able to get someone into jail for that most likely unless he is stupid and confesses that it was him. Everybody with bit of a brain would realize that it is indeed violating the laws of pretty much all of the free countries in the world. Wether or not you can punish someone for it is irrelevant. This is a game, and what makes this game so wonderful it's that it is much alike the real world, just in space :) Real warfare includes spying, so does warfare in this game. That is perfectly inside game mechanics. Write a petition to CCP if you don't like it, and find a more suitable game where your "rights" won't be violated in such manner. Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:55:00 - [509] Originally by: TURBOman And btw about the legal implications... He was given the address and the password of the teamspeak server, so legaly you can't do **. Deal with it :P Just because you can get away with something, doenst make it right. The real shame here is that you guys are too f*** up in the head to see that. Its totally and utterly pathetic. I feel sorry for you.
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:56:00 - [510] Originally by: Dekiri I really wonder why you people think it is legally no big deal to spy on private conversations. It is like hacking someones phone nothing else. You could get punished for that as easy as long as the person can proove it was you who did it. I myself would probably not care enough, but BD does have a point when he make this a topic, because you guys are obviously not capable of realizing what you are doing there. You realise, of course, that it wasn't a private conversation? That we didn't "hack" anything to gain access and that the internet is treated the same, for cases like this (in many respects, in the UK at any way), as the CB radio? We've had this threat before, we sought legal advice at the time, that was our answer. Try securing your comms.

Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:57:00 - [511] Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/10/2006 14:58:00 Originally by: SkaffenAmtiskaw Originally by: Butter Dog The only shame here is your alliance publishing someones voice on the internet without their permission, simply to win a forum arguement. Its more than shameful, it is utterly pathetic. Would you say this is completely different from forum spying? Yes, I would. An in-character forum post which is willingly submitted is completely different from recording someone's RL voice for the sake of gaining the upper hand in a forum discussion. I'm sorry but its getting to the point now where I consider BoB to be utterly beneath my contempt. Why anyone would wish to be in an Alliance which does such things is beyond me. I can only recommend you get out a little more in RL.
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:59:00 - [512] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/10/2006 14:58:00 Originally by: SkaffenAmtiskaw Originally by: Butter Dog The only shame here is your alliance publishing someones voice on the internet without their permission, simply to win a forum arguement. Its more than shameful, it is utterly pathetic. Would you say this is completely different from forum spying? Yes, I would. An in-character forum post which is willingly submitted is completely different from recording someone's RL voice for the sake of gaining the upper hand in a forum discussion. I'm sorry but its getting to the point now where I consider BoB to be utterly beneath my contempt. Why anyone would wish to be in an Alliance which does such things is beyond me. I can only recommend you get out a little more in RL. hehe you should look at your own post befor telling ppl to get out more You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:01:00 - [513] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: SkaffenAmtiskaw Originally by: Butter Dog The only shame here is your alliance publishing someones voice on the internet without their permission, simply to win a forum arguement. Its more than shameful, it is utterly pathetic. Would you say this is completely different from forum spying? Yes, I would. An in-character forum post which is willings submitted is completely different from recording someone's RL voice for the sake of gaining the upper hand in a forum discussion. I'm sorry but its getting to the point now where I consider BoB to be utterly beneath my contempt. Why anyone would wish to be in an Alliance which does such things is beyond me. I can only recommend you get out a little more in RL. okey i have no idea who you are but the fanboi package is in the mail, youve earned it ! Now if ascn would record my voice and post it publically somewhere i couldnt care less. Get over it, it was not a private conversation that was recorded and the person who recorded it was invited to the TS not including the (rec) sign after his name to inform those in the channel that they were beeing recorded. Give it a rest fainboi #328, cos thats all you are. BobÖ Goon Swatter - Eliminates Every Goon
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:02:00 - [514] Originally by: Butter Dog Your posts don't even make sense. If you wish to address the very real legal and ethical issues I have previously raised, go right ahead. If you lack the intellectual capacity to do so, just keep quiet, for the sake of your own credibility. Well, what little you have left. So let's talk about ethics. We're sitting here, playing a game where we try to build an empire and at the same time try to destroy someone else's empire. We do this in a roleplaying environment, where we're all pretending to be spaceship pilots. Now one day someone infiltrates the other empire and tries to bring them down from the inside. He uses his access to try and destroy an ingame empire consisting of a number of people pretending to be spaceship pilots. Since CCP does not provide several of the required tools to run an empire, the empire builders started to use out of game tools such as TS where they call eachother by their imaginary names and talk about spaceships and the like. Everything is still within an ingame context. Does this recording inflict damage on a person's private live? Hard to say if you ask me and I don't think your sollicitor will ahve an easy job proving that it does indeed inflict damage. But if you're willing to spend a couple of 100 $$ to get a soundfile removed, be my guest. ------------------ WOTANKN > WOTAN-KN + BIZARRE= SIR MOLLE
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:02:00 - [515] Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/10/2006 14:58:00 Originally by: SkaffenAmtiskaw Originally by: Butter Dog The only shame here is your alliance publishing someones voice on the internet without their permission, simply to win a forum arguement. Its more than shameful, it is utterly pathetic. Would you say this is completely different from forum spying? Yes, I would. An in-character forum post which is willingly submitted is completely different from recording someone's RL voice for the sake of gaining the upper hand in a forum discussion. I'm sorry but its getting to the point now where I consider BoB to be utterly beneath my contempt. Why anyone would wish to be in an Alliance which does such things is beyond me. I can only recommend you get out a little more in RL. hehe you should look at your own post befor telling ppl to get out more I have, and I see no problem with it. Care to elaborate or will I get another meaningless one-liner? I have no issue with ANY forum post. The issue at stake here is how you have just proved to be utterly morally corrupt, and have recorded a conversation on a private voice server simply to 'prove a point' on a MMO forum. Its really, really sad.
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:03:00 - [516] Edited by: killerco on 08/10/2006 15:05:59 Originally by: hazeb Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:41:11 Edited by: hazeb on 08/10/2006 13:40:47 Originally by: James Britanicus I have been in several of the node dropping conflicts. and I state categorically that no ascn FC has ever ordered a log off in the conflicts I have been in. I truely believe that no ASCN FC has ever ordered a log off. to that I just have one thing to say... http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav[/url dam interface and that proves what? For all we know you made this yourselve? So name the date/time/char names talking when you recorded this and give proof that ascn logged off! Don't be a great man just be a man
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:04:00 - [517] Originally by: Bizarre Does this recording inflict damage on a person's private live? Hard to say if you ask me and I don't think your sollicitor will ahve an easy job proving that it does indeed inflict damage. But if you're willing to spend a couple of 100 $$ to get a soundfile removed, be my guest. You don't have to prove 'damage'. In the EU we have a charter of human rights, and one of them is the Right to Privacy. If someone does not want their voice published on the internet, and you do so, a solicitor would have no problem in pointing out you have broken the law. Aside from the legal side though, the fact you think this is MORALLY okay speaks volumes about you and your Alliance.
magickangaroo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:04:00 - [518] Edited by: magickangaroo on 08/10/2006 15:04:35 Originally by: Zeveron Originally by: magickangaroo Originally by: Zeveron Ok normaly I am not doing this and I shouldnt join any flame wars. But explain me somthing. If u understand the lag problems and you have that much lag we got when we jumping/warping in, why the hack comming then in the forums and you guys posting YAY !!!!!!!!! we got 70 bs kills with no loss. Yeah right, u cannot get killed if ur enemy is loading. Here an example: Nice kill :-) I am making another one for the todays try to jump in TCAG system. Its ok, you got the kill. I dont have a problem with getting killed. The problem I have with u guys is that you come and you refer at those kills as accomplishments. Well have fun with ur easy kills :-) dude i used to fly with GODS ALOT, in fact they were pretty much who i flew with. just lookin at that video and your statements its clear to anyone with half a clue about large scale pvp what your doing wrong. wish tumadra would get his ass out of wow and sort you guys out, he should be ashamed of what youve become. you obviusly cannot read. the problem is not that I got killed, the problem is that you guys, come on the forums and claim u r uber bcs you get 70 kills of ppl who loading and suffer no loss. Again nice u get the kills, but insteed of claiming how uber BoB is (who in fact is maybe the best pvp alliance), we must all togather ***** ccp to fix the srv probs. how about instead of moaning about such a poor job that ccp do, u fly over to iceland and show em how to do it right eh? they do there best. and your the one who cant read mate, i not only refered to your statement but that joke of an overview setting you use i large scale pvp. maybe if you sorted that rubish out the lag wont be so bad? and seeing as im the one whos illeterate, how about you point to where abouts in my post i said anything about bob being uber? no didnt think so. (GAL11) Brigadier General yay
Dekiri Useless Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:05:00 - [519] Last thing i am going to say to the spy topic. You are spying outside the game. You wont be punished that is 99% sure, because it is pretty much impossible to proove. Same goes for spying on private forums you are violating peoples privacy there if you use any means to get access to information that is obviously not meant to be shared with you. As long as you spy in game and have alts in ascn corps and all that it is all within CCP's area and so it is within the game. Everything outside of that be it private forums or teamspeak servers is crossing the border. It is not part of EvE and is not part of the game, although it is related to it. Virtual property is a completly different case that has btw for those who care been touched already and the outcome for the future is everything but clear for the so called virtual property(i hope they don't start messing with that tbh but it is the reason why gold sellers for mmorpgs can't really be punished and everybody is avoiding such a lawsuit liek the plaque .. both sides). You just hit a point where you should think about how far you should go. It is more a moral question obviously, since you can't really be punished for it. That does not make it right though. -------------- My dad can beat up your dad! Support lowsec!
Trooper B99 Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:06:00 - [520] Morally or legally objectable, intersting or an invasion of privacy, the definition and reaction of people to intercepting "SEMI-private" information will of course vary from person to person. I imagine alot of people can remember the glee with which people greeted the "piracy is acceptable" Curse Alliance recordings ^^ Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106

Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:06:00 - [521] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/10/2006 14:58:00 Originally by: SkaffenAmtiskaw Originally by: Butter Dog The only shame here is your alliance publishing someones voice on the internet without their permission, simply to win a forum arguement. Its more than shameful, it is utterly pathetic. Would you say this is completely different from forum spying? Yes, I would. An in-character forum post which is willingly submitted is completely different from recording someone's RL voice for the sake of gaining the upper hand in a forum discussion. I'm sorry but its getting to the point now where I consider BoB to be utterly beneath my contempt. Why anyone would wish to be in an Alliance which does such things is beyond me. I can only recommend you get out a little more in RL. hehe you should look at your own post befor telling ppl to get out more I have, and I see no problem with it. Care to elaborate or will I get another meaningless one-liner? I have no issue with ANY forum post. The issue at stake here is how you have just proved to be utterly morally corrupt, and have recorded a conversation on a private voice server simply to 'prove a point' on a MMO forum. Its really, really sad. What's even sader is that ppl are ordering ppl to log out of a game to save them self and then come on the forum and cry that we don't have any moral.. You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:07:00 - [522] Originally by: Butter Dog You don't have to prove 'damage'. In the EU we have a charter of human rights, and one of them is the Right to Privacy. If someone does not want their voice published on the internet, and you do so, a solicitor would have no problem in pointing out you have broken the law. Aside from the legal side though, the fact you think this is MORALLY okay speaks volumes about you and your Alliance. First of all, morals are subjective. You disagree, fine, whatever. LEGALLY, however, you have no right to privacy when you BROADCAST your voice. It's EXACTLY the same legal premise as the CB radio. kthx.
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:12:00 - [523] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog You don't have to prove 'damage'. In the EU we have a charter of human rights, and one of them is the Right to Privacy. If someone does not want their voice published on the internet, and you do so, a solicitor would have no problem in pointing out you have broken the law. Aside from the legal side though, the fact you think this is MORALLY okay speaks volumes about you and your Alliance. First of all, morals are subjective. You disagree, fine, whatever. LEGALLY, however, you have no right to privacy when you BROADCAST your voice. It's EXACTLY the same legal premise as the CB radio. kthx. He wasnt broadcasting his voice, he was using what he believed to be a password-protected private voice server. So your post is meaningless. aka broadcasting. We had the password through legit means, we didn't hack, we broke no laws, we logged in with details supplied to us. The teamspeak had NO registration criteria, purely an anonymous password. Get over it.
Smith Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:12:00 - [524] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: TURBOman And btw about the legal implications... He was given the address and the password of the teamspeak server, so legaly you can't do **. Deal with it :P Just because you can get away with something, doenst make it right. The real shame here is that you guys are too f* up in the head to see that. Its totally and utterly pathetic. I feel sorry for you. You keep feeling sorry for us. I wonder if you are one of those guys who like to sit in empire 24/7 blowing up agent runners and come on the boards to preach morality in a game to help redeem the sucky things you do to mindless agent runners, not that i give a s* about them. TBH I think your level of dislike towards is most healthy and I would urge you if you havent already to join the ASCN cause in defeating BOB. All my love and kisses, Smith.
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:13:00 - [525] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Nira Li What's even sader is that ppl are ordering ppl to log out of a game to save them self and then come on the forum and cry that we don't have any moral.. Also ASCN are so sore losers they are acusing us of exploiters. Sad indeed. If you think that in-game actions are 'sadder' than using out of game actions just to prove a point on an MMO forum, you need help. Did I say I did say it's sad to prove a point? I said it's sad that they do log out. So what's worse, recording some one and post it publicly or have ppl acusing you of cheating every time there is a fight? Also stuff like this has been posted before and I didn't see you complaining those times... You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:15:00 - [526] All in all, by saying it's illegal to record someone else's voice and distribute it arround when we're dealing with a game here. I someone prosecutes someone and wins, expect a law sue when someone kills me next time in game. Kinda on the same level of inteligence tbh Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:18:00 - [527] Edited by: Darcuese on 08/10/2006 15:20:05 Nice fire in tpar sourounding yet again. Good luck and bad luck...hmm...allways present. Moderatos, can you please answer my mail to you several days ago? Or just bann me so I dont need to watch another completely drag off the subject and disccuss about moderating in here or in my sig EDIT: If this thread gonna be locked soon...it wont be fault by anyone but yourself Mods...cy all Discussing moderation in your signature is bad. Don't do it- Tirg Imperial Academy is currently recruiting Paragol Soul residents
Magnus Thermopyle Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:20:00 - [528] Is it me, or is BoB making a fool out of themselves? After all, truly great people dont run around telling everyone how great they are.
Shrike Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:21:00 - [529] Latest news from the TPAR front; ASCN gathers up 65 bships in TCAG, sets them up 500km off the TPAR gate, sets all supports on the TPAR gate in jump range. BoB suicides a Interdictor onto the 65 BS sitting 500 km away, and jumps in the fleet of 35 bships onto the ASCN fleet. The support is now stuck at the TPAR gate, the BS are now stuck 500km from the TPAR gate, unable to warp apart for a few of them. Our fleet slaughters the support, and warps up to the Bships who are still stuck in the dictor bubble, rougly 15 of them die. ASCN pulls out whatever they have left. BoB regroups on the TPAR gate, as the ASCN inside TPAR have arrived at sniping range to TCAG gate in sniping range. The ASCN fleet in TCAG warps in on us, in jumprange.... BoB and ASCN both jumps into TPAR, traffic controls galore when roughly 200 ships try and jump at the same time. A fight starts up on both sides of the gates, lasts for about 5 minutes, then the node dies. BoB lost 1 interdictor, and 1 interceptor.
Altheon Caldari Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:22:00 - [530] Originally by: Magnus Thermopyle Is it me, or is BoB making a fool out of themselves? After all, truly great people dont run around telling everyone how great they are. Awww i remember you from the .5. - F-E war There you go bashing us on the forums aggain

Mad Scientist101 Science Capital and Mechanical	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:23:00 - [531] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Kozak Every battle, we have TS spys. Except, we don't. Originally by: hazeb to that I just have one thing to say... http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav[/url Lying ftw now?
SkaffenAmtiskaw Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:23:00 - [532] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/10/2006 14:58:00 Originally by: SkaffenAmtiskaw Originally by: Butter Dog The only shame here is your alliance publishing someones voice on the internet without their permission, simply to win a forum arguement. Its more than shameful, it is utterly pathetic. Would you say this is completely different from forum spying? Yes, I would. An in-character forum post which is willingly submitted is completely different from recording someone's RL voice for the sake of gaining the upper hand in a forum discussion. I'm sorry but its getting to the point now where I consider BoB to be utterly beneath my contempt. Why anyone would wish to be in an Alliance which does such things is beyond me. I can only recommend you get out a little more in RL. Who said anything about role-playing forums? On the bob forums and ts people are identified by the same 'nicknames'. I fail to see how one is automatically role playing and the other automatically isn't, and I also don't really feel there is a difference between the two forms of spying. Speaking under an assumption of privacy on a large ts server, and posting on a 'private' section on a large forum seem fairly equivalent. I will do my best to try and (unsuccessfully) weed out spies, but acknowledge that what makes this game great is the intrigue and plotting that extends beyond the game client. I see forum and TS spying as an unavoidable part of that. What makes me laugh is that ASCN are acting all aggrieved at our access to their forums etc, whilst I know full well ASCN leadership had (and possibly still has) someone on-side that has access to our 'private' forums. ______ 'A lot of the people in m0o were ok, a lot of them were exploiters, greiferes etc.' - Wrangler on m0o corp.
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:26:00 - [533] Originally by: Mad Scientist101 Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Kozak Every battle, we have TS spys. Except, we don't. Originally by: hazeb to that I just have one thing to say... http://www.reikoku.net/ascn.wav[/url Lying ftw now? You're trying to use ONE instance of us actually HAVING a spy to try and prove that we have them ALL THE TIME? MUAHAHAHAHA Have a straw, it seems the ones you're grasping for can't hold your weight.
Callistus Gallente Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:26:00 - [534] This thread just makes me sad. -------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:29:00 - [535] Edited by: Christopher Multsanti on 08/10/2006 15:30:59 [ER Public Relations Officer]
Sirr Hammer Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:30:00 - [536] Originally by: Dekiri Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Dekiri ... You know what, visit your own lawyer and present him the case. I know the outcome and ive seen it before. You on the otherhand believe in all the yada yada some clueless guys with neither a lawdegree nor any knowledge of international law spout. Back on topic. Ascn seems to be on the backfoot ? Whats the new strategy now or are you just soldiering on ? You don't get it i guess. It is not about making a huge lawsuit. It is probably completly impossible to punish someone for that, because you can't proove who did it. The point is that it is violating basic human rights and it is going a step to far into peoples privacy. The point is what is right and wrong and this is definitly wrong in a real life kind of way. I don't know about you, but i had my deals with international law myself more then once business wise and i am quite well trained when it comes to business stuff and the international "rights". I am also aware that you wont be able to get someone into jail for that most likely unless he is stupid and confesses that it was him. Everybody with bit of a brain would realize that it is indeed violating the laws of pretty much all of the free countries in the world. Wether or not you can punish someone for it is irrelevant. u do realise that who evher made the recording . was at some point acceptet to the ts server.therfor he isent breaking any laws as long as he is a part of what he records and he must be as he is in the channel and the admin of the ts leet him in..if he recordet it tru *****ing the server .yea there is a law against that .but i think we all know that its just a normal game spy. :-)
Ysabelle nKataros Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:31:00 - [537] Originally by: Nepereta We should instead have a percentage system. Take the top 5% from each side and have them fight the battle. Trickle through reinforcements as people die until the whole gang in spent. we already won the Caldari championships. BoB: When we have fleet battles, our killboard crashes
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:32:00 - [538] I'm having an incredible sense of deja vu reading this thread, kinda reminds me of the last time we got serious about taking someones toys away. Eve Blacklight Style
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:38:00 - [539] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 08/10/2006 15:39:10 Actually, the use of an online forum and the use of online voip programs are identical in the sense of privacy laws being applicable to them because wether you are speaking or writing is of no consequence whatsoever. I do understand however, that there may be a greater sense of being violated in your private space when being confronted with publication of a recording of your voice rather then a copy of a piece of text you wrote. Ethically, it's the same thing however if you disregard that psychological factor. It's not an arguable position that one would be in character and the other not if they regard the same context and have the same participants like here. So, sorry for the feeling of violation, but all in all it simply comes down to the ethical and legal equivalent of quoting someone's post from a private forum you got posting rights for on another private forum. I don't see an ethical issue with it in that light, honestly, and seeing my background that makes me fairly comfortable when saying that that position would be shared by the majority of the societies we live in after objective consideration. Old blog
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:40:00 - [540] Originally by: TURBOman Originally by: Butter Dog Do BoB pay you purely to troll threads with meaningless flamebait posts? You're doing well, keep it up. Look whos talking Read post 430, then read post 437, and tell me that again with a straight face. Your alliances forum conduct is immature, and at worst downright disrespectful in its approach. Still, at least now I know what it must be like trying to conduct a debate in a 'special' school.

Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:41:00 - [541] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Edited by: Christopher Multsanti on 08/10/2006 15:30:59 Hello, mr Mad Scientist101. Self ownage, it's never pretty.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:42:00 - [542] Originally by: Blacklight I'm having an incredible sense of deja vu reading this thread, kinda reminds me of the last time we got serious about taking someones toys away. You never did respond to my reasoned reply to your one-liner about me 'stepping away from the keyboard'. Can you actually engage in reasoned debate or are you capable of little more than low-end flaming?
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:42:00 - [543] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: TURBOman Originally by: Butter Dog Do BoB pay you purely to troll threads with meaningless flamebait posts? You're doing well, keep it up. Look whos talking Read post 430, then read post 437, and tell me that again with a straight face. Your alliances forum conduct is immature, and at worst downright disrespectful in its approach. Still, at least now I know what it must be like trying to conduct a debate in a 'special' school. There u go with meaningles insults again Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:43:00 - [544] Originally by: TURBOman Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: TURBOman Originally by: Butter Dog Do BoB pay you purely to troll threads with meaningless flamebait posts? You're doing well, keep it up. Look whos talking Read post 430, then read post 437, and tell me that again with a straight face. Your alliances forum conduct is immature, and at worst downright disrespectful in its approach. Still, at least now I know what it must be like trying to conduct a debate in a 'special' school. There u go with meaningles insults again Thats hilarious, read any post by Krystal and tell me that again.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:43:00 - [545] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 08/10/2006 15:43:29 Yet somehow Butter Dog, you seem to carefully avoid replying to any of my more carefully constructed posts that directly challenge earlier arguments you made, and have been doing that on several occasions in this thread. Might it be that your posts are calculated to cause and thus feed upon exactly the kind of replies you refer to here ? If so, doesn't that make it trolling just as well ? Old blog
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:44:00 - [546] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: TURBOman Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: TURBOman Originally by: Butter Dog Do BoB pay you purely to troll threads with meaningless flamebait posts? You're doing well, keep it up. Look whos talking Read post 430, then read post 437, and tell me that again with a straight face. Your alliances forum conduct is immature, and at worst downright disrespectful in its approach. Still, at least now I know what it must be like trying to conduct a debate in a 'special' school. There u go with meaningles insults again Thats hilarious, read any post by Krystal and tell me that again. There u go with meaningles insults again
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:46:00 - [547] Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 08/10/2006 15:43:29 Yet somehow Butter Dog, you seem to carefully avoid replying to any of my more carefully constructed posts that directly challenge earlier arguments you made, and have been doing that on several occasions in this thread. Might it be that your posts are calculated to cause and thus feed upon exactly the kind of replies you refer to here ? If so, doesn't that make it trolling just as well ? I am perfectly happy to engage in discussion with you. So far though, you have added nothing of merit to the discussion, short of saying 'yes I suppose it would feel a bit uncomfortable'. You have completely avoided the cruicial issue of morality.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:47:00 - [548] Originally by: Louisa Torres [ There u go with meaningles insults again How is telling someone to read a post by your alliance member an insult, exactly?
Angelus X Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:50:00 - [549] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Edited by: Christopher Multsanti on 08/10/2006 15:30:59 Hello, mr Mad Scientist101. Self ownage, it's never pretty. haha! So much for the no alt posting rule eh? Amusing to see that the "ER Public Relations Officer" has to post with an alt because he hasn't the nads to flame BoB with his main. -----
Kalle Port	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:52:00 - [550] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Bizarre Does this recording inflict damage on a person's private live? Hard to say if you ask me and I don't think your sollicitor will ahve an easy job proving that it does indeed inflict damage. But if you're willing to spend a couple of 100 $$ to get a soundfile removed, be my guest. You don't have to prove 'damage'. In the EU we have a charter of human rights, and one of them is the Right to Privacy. If someone does not want their voice published on the internet, and you do so, a solicitor would have no problem in pointing out you have broken the law. Aside from the legal side though, the fact you think this is MORALLY okay speaks volumes about you and your Alliance. The laws of privacy do get a bit more complex when the data cannot be linked to a real identifiable person. In this case, there is no indication at all on who this person is for non ASCN members (and they have heard the TS conversation anyway so no problem there), legally this could even be the pope who was telling his cardinals to logoff , and even if we are able to link this to an ingame name, this name cannot be used to link to a real person. Thus a lot of EU privacy laws will not apply here. (by using the necessary protection you can even get medical data to be outside of the EU directive on privacy.)

Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:53:00 - [551] Originally by: Butter Dog My cousin is moderator....and ..hmm, ah yes.. At Least I know..... Discussing moderation in your signature is bad. Don't do it- Tirg Imperial Academy is currently recruiting Paragol Soul residents
VonKaplanek III Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:00:00 - [552] This is a game, and what makes this game so wonderful it's that it is much alike the real world, just in space :) Real warfare includes spying, so does warfare in this game. That is perfectly inside game mechanics. Write a petition to CCP if you don't like it, and find a more suitable game where your "rights" won't be violated in such manner. ok.. you say its a game, yet its quite real so its ok to use cheap tactics cause thats what happens in "real" war. Oh wait, this is a fun "game" Make up your mind... Its still a shady tactic for the so called honorable, "we want clean, fair fights" BOB.
SkaffenAmtiskaw Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:03:00 - [553] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 08/10/2006 15:43:29 Yet somehow Butter Dog, you seem to carefully avoid replying to any of my more carefully constructed posts that directly challenge earlier arguments you made, and have been doing that on several occasions in this thread. Might it be that your posts are calculated to cause and thus feed upon exactly the kind of replies you refer to here ? If so, doesn't that make it trolling just as well ? I am perfectly happy to engage in discussion with you. So far though, you have added nothing of merit to the discussion, short of saying 'yes I suppose it would feel a bit uncomfortable'. You have completely avoided the cruicial issue of morality. I thought the crucial issue was legality? ______ 'A lot of the people in m0o were ok, a lot of them were exploiters, greiferes etc.' - Wrangler on m0o corp.
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:04:00 - [554] Originally by: VonKaplanek III ok.. you say its a game, yet its quite real so its ok to use cheap tactics cause thats what happens in "real" war. Oh wait, this is a fun "game" Make up your mind... Its still a shady tactic for the so called honorable, "we want clean, fair fights" BOB. It's still within game mechanics, there were always spies, and there always will be, adapt or fall. Get a spy in BOB, just for the reason that is harder than to get a spy in ASCN doesn't mean it's cheap. If CYVOK doesn't have a spy in BOB, I bet all my isk he wouldn't say no to the opportunity. And u can't say he wouldn't too Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
SkaffenAmtiskaw Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:06:00 - [555] Originally by: VonKaplanek III Its still a shady tactic for the so called honorable, "we want clean, fair fights" BOB. And yet you're willing to fly under the banner of an entity that also uses forum spies? ______ 'A lot of the people in m0o were ok, a lot of them were exploiters, greiferes etc.' - Wrangler on m0o corp.
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:09:00 - [556] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 08/10/2006 15:43:29 Yet somehow Butter Dog, you seem to carefully avoid replying to any of my more carefully constructed posts that directly challenge earlier arguments you made, and have been doing that on several occasions in this thread. Might it be that your posts are calculated to cause and thus feed upon exactly the kind of replies you refer to here ? If so, doesn't that make it trolling just as well ? I am perfectly happy to engage in discussion with you. So far though, you have added nothing of merit to the discussion, short of saying 'yes I suppose it would feel a bit uncomfortable'. You have completely avoided the cruicial issue of morality. Bizarra's post regarding the legal part of your argument, you never tried to refute. Do you acknowledge that of your initial statement, only the moral part is left? The legal part apparently isn't worth it to defend anymore? With all the different internationalities involved, I wish you good luck trying to get someone prosecuted for posting a recording from a TS server. Unless everyone has to agree to a certain disclaimer before they use the TS server, you're SOL with regards to suing people and even then the disclaimer might just be declared void by the local judge. :) - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
VonKaplanek III Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:11:00 - [557] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Nira Li What's even sader is that ppl are ordering ppl to log out of a game to save them self and then come on the forum and cry that we don't have any moral.. Also ASCN are so sore losers they are acusing us of exploiters. Sad indeed. Get a clue. Noone ordered people to log off. We stayed logged off becasue of your shady log in/off tactics and your ability to control a gate even when outnumbered and outpositioned after a node crash. Bob uses TS spies to record our in game convos and to get our tactics. Whats really sad here is the great BoB utilizing LAME tactics... Well done BoB
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:14:00 - [558] Edited by: Louisa Torres on 08/10/2006 16:14:04 Originally by: VonKaplanek III Get a clue. Noone ordered people to log off. We stayed logged off becasue of your shady log in/off tactics and your ability to control a gate even when outnumbered and outpositioned after a node crash. Bob uses TS spies to record our in game convos and to get our tactics. Whats really sad here is the great BoB utilizing LAME tactics... Well done BoB DING DING WRONG! The recording you here was made as you had warped to a gate, in jump range. We sent our support thru, your fc thought we had ALL jumped thru and then tried to swap places with us. As he loaded he saw that we still had forces on the jump in point and, as a result, called for everyone to log off to avoid getting ganked. And you call us lame?
oDDiTy V2 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:16:00 - [559] Edited by: oDDiTy V2 on 08/10/2006 16:16:21 Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: Nira Li What's even sader is that ppl are ordering ppl to log out of a game to save them self and then come on the forum and cry that we don't have any moral.. Also ASCN are so sore losers they are acusing us of exploiters. Sad indeed. Get a clue. Noone ordered people to log off. We stayed logged off becasue of your shady log in/off tactics and your ability to control a gate even when outnumbered and outpositioned after a node crash. Bob uses TS spies to record our in game convos and to get our tactics. Whats really sad here is the great BoB utilizing LAME tactics... Well done BoB BoB do not use login/logoff tactics. It is strictly forbidden to do so. If you honestly believe that we do, then you're either delusional, or being spoonfed lies from someone. It's simply not true.
Pr1at Bunny Caldari adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:16:00 - [560] BoB clearly didnt learn from the last ( by accident) publication of a TS recording . Not everyone "doesnt care" when their voice get publicated in this case you once again show lack of respect towards a invidual behind the avatar. Guess that post a while ago by me was a complete waste of time . ____________________ The Clash

Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:17:00 - [561] Originally by: SkaffenAmtiskaw Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 08/10/2006 15:43:29 Yet somehow Butter Dog, you seem to carefully avoid replying to any of my more carefully constructed posts that directly challenge earlier arguments you made, and have been doing that on several occasions in this thread. Might it be that your posts are calculated to cause and thus feed upon exactly the kind of replies you refer to here ? If so, doesn't that make it trolling just as well ? I am perfectly happy to engage in discussion with you. So far though, you have added nothing of merit to the discussion, short of saying 'yes I suppose it would feel a bit uncomfortable'. You have completely avoided the cruicial issue of morality. I thought the crucial issue was legality? I find it strange that I have to quote my own posts, but here we go: Just because you can get away with something, doenst make it right. The legal question is a side issue. What causes most distaste is the fact you would actually do something like this, let alone defend your actions. Never again can you tell the Eve community you are in this game for the 'fair fights' with a straight face. And to think I used to respect your Alliance. You guys have done an amazing job of proving me very wrong in believing you had integrity and maturity in your approach to this game.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:18:00 - [562] Originally by: Louisa Torres [ And you call us lame? The publication of that .wav file proves this beyond ANY doubt.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:20:00 - [563] Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/10/2006 16:22:45 Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Bizarra's post regarding the legal part of your argument, you never tried to refute. Do you acknowledge that of your initial statement, only the moral part is left? The legal part apparently isn't worth it to defend anymore? With all the different internationalities involved, I wish you good luck trying to get someone prosecuted for posting a recording from a TS server. Unless everyone has to agree to a certain disclaimer before they use the TS server, you're SOL with regards to suing people and even then the disclaimer might just be declared void by the local judge. :) No I believe there is a legal question, but getting into a detailed legal debate is fairly pointless on this forum. The most concern comes from the moral issue and the fact that BoB would do that in the first place. As a side note though, I did not mention the word 'sue'. Quite deliberately. EU nations have a law which allows a 'right to privacy' and the online publication of a persons voice without their consent can be said to breach that law. Its a fairly simple interpretation of the law, but it certainly backs up the moral case: quite simply, it is wrong.
reaTh Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:26:00 - [564] Edited by: reaTh on 08/10/2006 16:26:35 Hello Butter Dog, This is a message to confirm your membership for a BoB fanboi with this you have the right to: Post utter Bull** about BoB since you obviously know all the internal workings of BoB. Also the right to post and any BoB thread and to personal attack BoB members. The membership also include you allowing to comment on all of BoB's campains with 100% accuracy even tho you arnt there. Your badge and membership certificate will be eve-mail to you thanks, reaTh BoB fanclub Director edit spelling ______________________________________________ Current RKK Ranking: (MIN11) Nyota**
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:28:00 - [565] Originally by: reaTh Edited by: reaTh on 08/10/2006 16:26:35 Hello Butter Dog, This is a message to confirm your membership for a BoB fanboi with this you have the right to: Post utter Bull**** about BoB since you obviously know all the internal workings of BoB. Also the right to post and any BoB thread and to personal attack BoB members. The membership also include you allowing to comment on all of BoB's campains with 100% accuracy even tho you arnt there. Your badge and membership certificate will be eve-mail to you thanks, reaTh BoB fanclub Director edit spelling Hast recieved a warning + ban for the exact same comment. Your warning and ban from forums will be eve-mailed to you. Man i should have been a mod ♥ reaTh. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:35:00 - [566] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: reaTh Edited by: reaTh on 08/10/2006 16:26:35 Hello Butter Dog, This is a message to confirm your membership for a BoB fanboi with this you have the right to: Post utter Bull**** about BoB since you obviously know all the internal workings of BoB. Also the right to post and any BoB thread and to personal attack BoB members. The membership also include you allowing to comment on all of BoB's campains with 100% accuracy even tho you arnt there. Your badge and membership certificate will be eve-mail to you thanks, reaTh BoB fanclub Director edit spelling Hast recieved a warning + ban for the exact same comment. Your warning and ban from forums will be eve-mailed to you. Man i should have been a mod ♥ reaTh. If you were a mod I wouldn't dare to post And to that ASCN dude, we got voice prof that you guys log out to save your self and yet you keep claiming it's us that do it So learn to controll your anger because when we start taking your stations I don't want to see loads of smack from you guys. Cya. You Will Cry My Name
Monkey Brother Caldari Happy Life Creator	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:35:00 - [567] Planting spies on privately ownwed TS servers is not within the game mechanics. I bet the legality of it (RL legality) can be discussed too. -------------- Monkey Brother CEO of HAPLI For standings, contact Monkey Brother
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:39:00 - [568] Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/10/2006 16:39:07 Good luck with those RL lawsuits chaps, now move back to the OP please. Good luck with dealing with the TPAR slaughter. I believe that the TPAR siege has failed. So where are you going to go from here? You've seen our capabilities, you've seen what we have, you've seen what we are going to do next. So ASCN... what are you going to do? Cry foul on the forums? Stand up, take it on the chin and move to your Plan B? Or tuck tail and run to empire. Your choice, your game, the ball is still in your court. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Lootcatcher	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:40:00 - [569] Whats next DDOS attack on a TS server to gain the upper hand?
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:42:00 - [570] Originally by: Lootcatcher Whats next DDOS attack on a TS server to gain the upper hand? Well since ASCN are getting slaughtered we won't need that for a while. You Will Cry My Name

Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:51:00 - [571] Just to be sure everyone is clear... We use spies. We read your forums. We listen to your TS. We feed you false intel. We have no qualms about it whatsoever. We've never made the way we fight a war when we really get into it any secret and we're not looking to win a popularity contest. If you stop and think about it though, everything we do to you you could prevent if you learnt the lessons and that primarily is why we will never feel bad about it, at the end of the day it's your problem and not ours. Eve Blacklight Style
SkaffenAmtiskaw Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:54:00 - [572] Originally by: Lootcatcher Whats next DDOS attack on a TS server to gain the upper hand? Attacks on servers and gaining access through having a character in a corp and asking for it are very different things. I accept that hostile entities have access to our TS and forums thorugh having spies. I applaud them for managing to gain such access (though if I find them I'll nuke their access ASAP of course), it's not like we don't return the favour though. Any BoB member found to have arranged a DDoS on a TS server or forum (or used a keylogger, or exploited a service vulnerability) will lose the right to use the bob TS and forums. I also suspect they'll lose their place in BoB. ______ 'A lot of the people in m0o were ok, a lot of them were exploiters, greiferes etc.' - Wrangler on m0o corp.
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:54:00 - [573] it is amazing how 1 completely uninvolved person, neither bob nor Ascn stirrs a legal and moral debate about "spies" in eve. A topic which was covered already 100 times. As far as the rest goes, Bob wont lose your "respect" because lets be honest here you didnt have any when u started following them around trolling each and every thread they make (made) tho it doesnt concern you or your part of the universe. Any major entity in this game i will call out on throwing a fit about spies and backhanded deals simply because its part of the game. Everyone has a forum or ts spy. So anyone but the least involved empire agentrunner can claim any moral highground. Ascn itself has on more then 1 location used spies to their advantage or how else do you think Cyvok usually gets the infos leading to his paranoid alliancemails and blogposts announcing the next invasion or the next attack ? Espionage is part of the game, it was even praised on the first advertisements of eve-online. Dont forget half of the intel is either paranoia or from disgrunted/ displeased (real) alliancem8s so if Ascn cant keep their lines closed maybe its a symptom of internal struggle or some factions trying to make their own money/deal on it ? Its no secret that certain corps within Ascn didnt pull their weight yet and the lone npcer who just tries to freeload some hot factionloot will more then once do everything possible to keep his faction fitted Caldari navy raven and the hunting grounds paying for it. Afterall thats how Ascn was born while kicking the rest of Xetic out of 0.0 and signing a deal with the enemy cyvok himself summoned upon Xetic. Do you really think certain elements in Xetic didnt hand out info to .5. to buy future miningrights or "space"`? Speak about doublemorals when it comes to ethics.
Ty'derian ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.10.08 17:00:00 - [574] Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Edited by: oDDiTy V2 on 08/10/2006 16:16:21 Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: Nira Li What's even sader is that ppl are ordering ppl to log out of a game to save them self and then come on the forum and cry that we don't have any moral.. Also ASCN are so sore losers they are acusing us of exploiters. Sad indeed. Get a clue. Noone ordered people to log off. We stayed logged off becasue of your shady log in/off tactics and your ability to control a gate even when outnumbered and outpositioned after a node crash. Bob uses TS spies to record our in game convos and to get our tactics. Whats really sad here is the great BoB utilizing LAME tactics... Well done BoB BoB do not use login/logoff tactics. It is strictly forbidden to do so. If you honestly believe that we do, then you're either delusional, or being spoonfed lies from someone. It's simply not true. than your members break realy often your own policys
Abriana Overlord Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 17:02:00 - [575] Edited by: Abriana Overlord on 08/10/2006 17:02:46 Originally by: Dekiri Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Dekiri ... You know what, visit your own lawyer and present him the case. I know the outcome and ive seen it before. You on the otherhand believe in all the yada yada some clueless guys with neither a lawdegree nor any knowledge of international law spout. Back on topic. Ascn seems to be on the backfoot ? Whats the new strategy now or are you just soldiering on ? You don't get it i guess. It is not about making a huge lawsuit. It is probably completly impossible to punish someone for that, because you can't proove who did it. The point is that it is violating basic human rights and it is going a step to far into peoples privacy. The point is what is right and wrong and this is definitly wrong in a real life kind of way. I don't know about you, but i had my deals with international law myself more then once business wise and i am quite well trained when it comes to business stuff and the international "rights". I am also aware that you wont be able to get someone into jail for that most likely unless he is stupid and confesses that it was him. Everybody with bit of a brain would realize that it is indeed violating the laws of pretty much all of the free countries in the world. Wether or not you can punish someone for it is irrelevant. All I can say is you guys know we had your TS details. If you remember our TS raid last night.. Y.....M....C....A...... fix your security and quit complaining
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 17:13:00 - [576] Originally by: Ty'derian Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Edited by: oDDiTy V2 on 08/10/2006 16:16:21 Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: Nira Li What's even sader is that ppl are ordering ppl to log out of a game to save them self and then come on the forum and cry that we don't have any moral.. Also ASCN are so sore losers they are acusing us of exploiters. Sad indeed. Get a clue. Noone ordered people to log off. We stayed logged off becasue of your shady log in/off tactics and your ability to control a gate even when outnumbered and outpositioned after a node crash. Bob uses TS spies to record our in game convos and to get our tactics. Whats really sad here is the great BoB utilizing LAME tactics... Well done BoB BoB do not use login/logoff tactics. It is strictly forbidden to do so. If you honestly believe that we do, then you're either delusional, or being spoonfed lies from someone. It's simply not true. than your members break realy often your own policys What ever... At least our FC's don't order us to log out to save us. You Will Cry My Name

Serathu Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.10.08 21:43:00 - [577] Thread given one serious cleaning. Please stay on-topic/constructive and avoid trolling/flaming from here-on in. Discussion of or posting links to an alleged TeamSpeak recording are not welcome here. Failure to adhere to the forum rules could result in a forum warning or ban. You have been warned. \| Forum Rules \| CAOD Rules \| CRC Website \| [email protected] \|

Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 21:55:00 - [578] Welcome back, my precious. This thread has everything, I might print it off and frame it (the uncensored version anyway).
liquidism Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.08 22:12:00 - [579] hobbits got pwned.. again n1 bob
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 22:33:00 - [580] and if only they would leave there pos now we could have a blast. WTT. a few bs for a FC ill give to ascn snip Don't be nasty [email protected] to discuss mod - Cathath i am not nasty

Xeris Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 22:36:00 - [581] Originally by: Nez Perces ...just had another peak at the BoB kb.. and omg... 88 - 3 for sunday's BS score that brings the total for the weekend to ~ 211 - 16 ... Whatever you're strategy is, its not working.. I can't comment on their overall strategy, but it would appear that their Battleships are scouted for by General Custer.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 22:38:00 - [582] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Blacklight I'm having an incredible sense of deja vu reading this thread, kinda reminds me of the last time we got serious about taking someones toys away. You never did respond to my reasoned reply to your one-liner about me 'stepping away from the keyboard'. Can you actually engage in reasoned debate or are you capable of little more than low-end flaming? Just out of politeness I'll reply. Yes I can engage in reasoned debate but I do sometimes enjoy a little low end flaming, it adds a bit of sunshine to my day. However, I have zero interest in getting into any such debate with you in this or any other thread about BoB's strategy, campaigns, tactics, choice of underwear or anything else for that matter. As to why I make that previous statement to put it quite frankly it's none of your business and your views are of no interest or consequence. Enjoy hanging out in all the BoB threads and espouse your views as much as you like but you and I will not be debating anything. Eve Blacklight Style
BoinKlasik Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.08 23:04:00 - [583] Originally by: Serathu Thread given one serious cleaning. Please stay on-topic/constructive and avoid trolling/flaming from here-on in. Discussion of or posting links to an alleged TeamSpeak recording are not welcome here. Failure to adhere to the forum rules could result in a forum warning or ban. You have been warned. I dont know if this counts as discussing moderation, but jesus, this thing lost like 3 pages didnt it? it was on 18 afaik O.o doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
Karunel Nuevos Horizontes O X I D E	Posted - 2006.10.08 23:30:00 - [584] Originally by: Shrike Latest news from the TPAR front; ASCN gathers up 65 bships in TCAG, sets them up 500km off the TPAR gate, sets all supports on the TPAR gate in jump range. BoB suicides a Interdictor onto the 65 BS sitting 500 km away, and jumps in the fleet of 35 bships onto the ASCN fleet. The support is now stuck at the TPAR gate, the BS are now stuck 500km from the TPAR gate, unable to warp apart for a few of them. Our fleet slaughters the support, and warps up to the Bships who are still stuck in the dictor bubble, rougly 15 of them die. ASCN pulls out whatever they have left. BoB regroups on the TPAR gate, as the ASCN inside TPAR have arrived at sniping range to TCAG gate in sniping range. The ASCN fleet in TCAG warps in on us, in jumprange.... BoB and ASCN both jumps into TPAR, traffic controls galore when roughly 200 ships try and jump at the same time. A fight starts up on both sides of the gates, lasts for about 5 minutes, then the node dies. BoB lost 1 interdictor, and 1 interceptor. Jesus Christ ASCN you've got 5000 guys, some of them ARE pvp'ers, you must have some DECENT leaders who have a clue. Honestly reading about the war makes one wonder if ASCN pilots click on join gang then go afk or something.
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.10.09 00:10:00 - [585] Paging through BoBs killboard I'm surprised to see the vast majority of ASCN's ships are sporting t1 guns. When BoB dies the killmails inevitably show the ship was sporting t2 guns. Have ASCN not considered you may be vastly more effective if you threw some t2 guns on there? (you arent ALL incapable of using em) You get an extra 28% dmg and you can compete at long range which I believe your opponents favour. Sure losses may cost more when they happen but just perhaps you would incur less losses if you went for effective setups. Meh, just my thoughts.
Roxanna Kell Holy Jihad	Posted - 2006.10.09 00:25:00 - [586] Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 09/10/2006 00:36:21 FLAMES FLAMES FLAMES. there is no such things as propaganda in eve, its just different degrees of flames. at the end is the Killboard that tells the truth, knowing that bob posts all kills regardless. the war atm looks like this, oh and iam not counting cruisers and frigs. Sunday 08 October 2006 [90 battleships destroyed] [3 battleships lost] Saturday 07 October 2006 [47 battleships destroyed] [12 battleships lost] Friday 06 October 2006 [76 battleships destroyed] [1 battleship lost] Thursday 05 October 2006 [28 battleships destroyed] [2 battleships lost] Wednesday 04 October 2006 [23 battleships destroyed] [4 battleships lost] Now ascn keep flaming, but FFS do something on the battlefield. first of all. Secure your TS, as far as i know most of my friends in ascn are leaving due to lack of comms security, 90% of the guys in your servers are unregistered. if i was you i would stop posting on forums all together, you jsut look stupid to me and others, than wounder why 90% of eve hates you. edit: ----------- Originally by: Pestillence Paging through BoBs killboard I'm surprised to see the vast majority of ASCN's ships are sporting t1 guns. When BoB dies the killmails inevitably show the ship was sporting t2 guns. Have ASCN not considered you may be vastly more effective if you threw some t2 guns on there? (you arent ALL incapable of using em) You get an extra 28% dmg and you can compete at long range which I believe your opponents favour. Sure losses may cost more when they happen but just perhaps you would incur less losses if you went for effective setups. Meh, just my thoughts. they proud them selfs on using only t1, sound more like greed to me, the richest alliance in eve uses t1 guns. oh and Quote: Proconsul Para > 2006.10.08 23:08:38 Notify Raven belonging to xjudgedreadx self-destructs. Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
Brother Bender Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.09 00:36:00 - [587] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Sunday 08 October 2006 [90 battleships destroyed] [3 battleships lost] Saturday 07 October 2006 [47 battleships destroyed] [12 battleships lost] Friday 06 October 2006 [76 battleships destroyed] [1 battleship lost] Thursday 05 October 2006 [28 battleships destroyed] [2 battleships lost] Wednesday 04 October 2006 [23 battleships destroyed] [4 battleships lost] Add 3 carriers to that count and countless fighters [approximately the cost of 1 BC each]
Sprak Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 00:38:00 - [588] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Sunday 08 October 2006 [90 battleships destroyed] [3 battleships lost] Saturday 07 October 2006 [47 battleships destroyed] [12 battleships lost] Friday 06 October 2006 [76 battleships destroyed] [1 battleship lost] Thursday 05 October 2006 [28 battleships destroyed] [2 battleships lost] Wednesday 04 October 2006 [23 battleships destroyed] [4 battleships lost] Add 3 carriers to that count and countless fighters [approximately the cost of 1 BC each]
Roxanna Kell Holy Jihad	Posted - 2006.10.09 00:38:00 - [589] Originally by: Brother Bender Originally by: Roxanna Kell Sunday 08 October 2006 [90 battleships destroyed] [3 battleships lost] Saturday 07 October 2006 [47 battleships destroyed] [12 battleships lost] Friday 06 October 2006 [76 battleships destroyed] [1 battleship lost] Thursday 05 October 2006 [28 battleships destroyed] [2 battleships lost] Wednesday 04 October 2006 [23 battleships destroyed] [4 battleships lost] Add 3 carriers to that count and countless fighters [approximately the cost of 1 BC each] it will be nice if bob can get their killboard upgraded. Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.09 00:39:00 - [590] Originally by: Roxanna Kell .. stats.. I'm probably gonna get flamed to hell and back for what I'm about to say next... but... What is happening to ASCN on the battlefield should be a warning to all... Carebearing your way into 0.0 is not a viable proposition in the long run. Sooner or later you are gonna have to fight. What a slaughter ...

Jack Malus Gallente Phoenix Wing	Posted - 2006.10.09 00:47:00 - [591] Originally by: Shrike Latest news from the TPAR front; ASCN gathers up 65 bships in TCAG, sets them up 500km off the TPAR gate, sets all supports on the TPAR gate in jump range. BoB suicides a Interdictor onto the 65 BS sitting 500 km away, and jumps in the fleet of 35 bships onto the ASCN fleet. The support is now stuck at the TPAR gate, the BS are now stuck 500km from the TPAR gate, unable to warp apart for a few of them. Our fleet slaughters the support, and warps up to the Bships who are still stuck in the dictor bubble, rougly 15 of them die. ASCN pulls out whatever they have left. BoB regroups on the TPAR gate, as the ASCN inside TPAR have arrived at sniping range to TCAG gate in sniping range. The ASCN fleet in TCAG warps in on us, in jumprange.... BoB and ASCN both jumps into TPAR, traffic controls galore when roughly 200 ships try and jump at the same time. A fight starts up on both sides of the gates, lasts for about 5 minutes, then the node dies. BoB lost 1 interdictor, and 1 interceptor. So 35 BoB ships suceeded in jumping into 65 ASCN ships? I guess I don't understand. Shouldn't BoB have been slaughtered with these odds? Were they not able to return fire?
Lord Draco Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 00:48:00 - [592] To ASCN's credit, they haven't ran home despite the setbacks. I know some of them have no experience fighting on the offensive. That being said, BoB is a well oiled machine thx to the tune up with outbreak/celest awhile back. We got soft fighting goon and assorted riff raff.
Nyk0n Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.10.09 01:28:00 - [593] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/10/2006 10:09:22 Quote: Easy kills?? Seems you are getting exactly what you normally look for as well;) Took ASCN long enough to smell the coffee, but bless you, that coffee smells good. Hello Nykon. We are getting pvp against an alliance who isn't afraid to use Capital ships and who actually fight us. Not someone who hides or tries to bore us out (pa, fa, goons etc). We got a taste of this against CODA for a weekend, now we are getting it 23/7. It's all we ever want and I'm seeing people log onto BoB who haven't been seen in a long time. dbp Cant belive im actully gonna say it but, fair play to you DB. Secound post in this thread that has actully made me feel a TINY (n belive its tiny) bit of respect for you. Sometimes the truth hurts.......... Dosnt stop it being true
Prodigy Z ZiTek Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.10.09 02:18:00 - [594] Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: Ty'derian Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Edited by: oDDiTy V2 on 08/10/2006 16:16:21 Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: Nira Li What's even sader is that ppl are ordering ppl to log out of a game to save them self and then come on the forum and cry that we don't have any moral.. Also ASCN are so sore losers they are acusing us of exploiters. Sad indeed. Get a clue. Noone ordered people to log off. We stayed logged off becasue of your shady log in/off tactics and your ability to control a gate even when outnumbered and outpositioned after a node crash. Bob uses TS spies to record our in game convos and to get our tactics. Whats really sad here is the great BoB utilizing LAME tactics... Well done BoB BoB do not use login/logoff tactics. It is strictly forbidden to do so. If you honestly believe that we do, then you're either delusional, or being spoonfed lies from someone. It's simply not true. than your members break realy often your own policys What ever... At least our FC's don't order us to log out to save us. On many ocassions BOB have gone to esoteria only to find resistance and then have the enite gang log off. Maybe you do not do this but don't think that all BOB are to proud to do it.
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 02:52:00 - [595] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Saturday 07 October 2006 [47 battleships destroyed] [12 battleships lost] Just to clarify, we sacrificed 11bs to get two carriers just after dt that day. ACSN fleet command has been trying to spin this .... invasion... if you wish to call it that, in a positive light, and while I understand why, it seems a futile attempt. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Mr Abbadon Caldari Svea Rike	Posted - 2006.10.09 03:09:00 - [596] omg the BOB threads. Band of Babies are at it again smacking the forums with alot of dirty diapers. well ppl. what can we do about these band of crying babies? heres some tips: A crying baby gets to everyone. Whether your baby is crying because they are hungry, sad, lonely or have colic, you're probably looking for a way to minimize they time they spend crying and screaming. Here are some tried and true techniques to help reduce the amount of time your newborn baby spends crying. 1: Clings are great ways to carry a baby. Many infants are calmed by the soothing presence of mom, dad or another care provider. These types of carriers are good alternatives to plastic baby carriers. 2: Dr. William Sears literally wrote the book on calming fussy babies. Whether it's physical discomfort, colic, over stimulation or whatever reason your little one is crying, this book can help. 3: Perhaps it's gas? We've all heard that, but occasionally it's true! Mylicon is an over the counter medication for infants and newborns to help relieve tummy troubles of the rumbling nature. 4: White noise or other soothing music can be helpful. Something as simple as a running vacuum or rumbling dryer are enough for some babies. Try putting your baby in a sling and vacuuming the house, or play a CD of lulling music or even pure white noise... 5: or the lack of breast ta ta ___________________________________________________________________________________________ Minmatar ships: Varied piles of scrap metal welded together by random lightning strikes..
Hectic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 03:24:00 - [597] Originally by: Mr Abbadon omg the BOB threads. Band of Babies are at it again smacking the forums with alot of dirty diapers. well ppl. what can we do about these band of crying babies? heres some tips: A crying baby gets to everyone. Whether your baby is crying because they are hungry, sad, lonely or have colic, you're probably looking for a way to minimize they time they spend crying and screaming. Here are some tried and true techniques to help reduce the amount of time your newborn baby spends crying. 1: Clings are great ways to carry a baby. Many infants are calmed by the soothing presence of mom, dad or another care provider. These types of carriers are good alternatives to plastic baby carriers. 2: Dr. William Sears literally wrote the book on calming fussy babies. Whether it's physical discomfort, colic, over stimulation or whatever reason your little one is crying, this book can help. 3: Perhaps it's gas? We've all heard that, but occasionally it's true! Mylicon is an over the counter medication for infants and newborns to help relieve tummy troubles of the rumbling nature. 4: White noise or other soothing music can be helpful. Something as simple as a running vacuum or rumbling dryer are enough for some babies. Try putting your baby in a sling and vacuuming the house, or play a CD of lulling music or even pure white noise... 5: or the lack of breast ta ta I dont see how this affects, or is even applicable to this situation. Thanks for your input though, I'll file it under child care for future use. WELCOME BACK MGRL!
McMike Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2006.10.09 03:46:00 - [598] Quote: Sunday 08 October 2006 [90 battleships destroyed] [3 battleships lost] Saturday 07 October 2006 [47 battleships destroyed] [12 battleships lost] Friday 06 October 2006 [76 battleships destroyed] [1 battleship lost] Thursday 05 October 2006 [28 battleships destroyed] [2 battleships lost] Wednesday 04 October 2006 [23 battleships destroyed] [4 battleships lost] While BOB trying to claim honesty in all of this, they do not post all their killmails. 22 BS according to BOB above, yet the ASCN killboard have collected 64 BS killmails purely from BOB corps. Either ASCN is making up 3 fake bs mails per real kills, or the BOB propaganda machine is in full swing. I also see four to one kills on HAC in ASCN favour. The mails are right there, check for yourself. I suggest you get your members posting.
Astasia Orian Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 03:48:00 - [599] Quote: I also see four to one kills on HAC in ASCN favour. Not this old gem again.
oDDiTy V2 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 03:50:00 - [600] Originally by: Astasia Orian Quote: I also see four to one kills on HAC in ASCN favour. Not this old gem again. rofl, here we go again.... btw, even if ASCN have 64 BS kills, its still 264 to 64 in BoB favor.

McMike Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2006.10.09 03:52:00 - [601] I will further add that the ASCN killboards HAVE the 90+47+76+28+23 = 264 bs losses there while you obviously lack your losses on yours. Its obvious which boards are more accurate.
McMike Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2006.10.09 03:54:00 - [602] Quote: btw, even if ASCN have 64 BS kills, its still 264 to 64 in BoB favor. No one is suggestive otherwise. I'm just highlight another example of your dishonest reporting.
Imran The Scope	Posted - 2006.10.09 03:58:00 - [603] lol. EwokPoacher: Why hate Gallente? Blackest Sheep: Because we are beautiful Ch33z0rs: Pirating is such a harsh term. I prefer unil
tbow10 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 04:00:00 - [604] Originally by: McMike I will further add that the ASCN killboards HAVE the 90+47+76+28+23 = 264 bs losses there while you obviously lack your losses on yours. Its obvious which boards are more accurate. if you want it to be honest why dont' you get kills from each side's kb's Oo there is a idea
Xeris Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 04:03:00 - [605] Originally by: McMike Quote: Sunday 08 October 2006 [90 battleships destroyed] [3 battleships lost] Saturday 07 October 2006 [47 battleships destroyed] [12 battleships lost] Friday 06 October 2006 [76 battleships destroyed] [1 battleship lost] Thursday 05 October 2006 [28 battleships destroyed] [2 battleships lost] Wednesday 04 October 2006 [23 battleships destroyed] [4 battleships lost] While BOB trying to claim honesty in all of this, they do not post all their killmails. 22 BS according to BOB above, yet the ASCN killboard have collected 64 BS killmails purely from BOB corps. Either ASCN is making up 3 fake bs mails per real kills, or the BOB propaganda machine is in full swing. I also see four to one kills on HAC in ASCN favour. The mails are right there, check for yourself. I suggest you get your members posting. If you're looking at what I think you're looking at (the ASCN Campaign Detals - War - The Pendelum Bob), you might want to note this note this little gem on the top spreadsheat, first column, 4th item down: Runtime:11 days
DeadProphet Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 04:04:00 - [606] Edited by: DeadProphet on 09/10/2006 04:04:17 if you think you have bob lossmails not posted on the bob site, send them to the relevent corp, and it will get fixed however i would suggest you make sure you aren't including petcorp losses in the ASCN kill total, as ASCN themselves are doing to make it seem a bit more favourable ;)
Monkey Brother Caldari Happy Life Creator	Posted - 2006.10.09 04:08:00 - [607] So, have you guys evicted ASCN from the TPAR area yet? It's been a while since the siege started. Just curious. -------------- Monkey Brother CEO of HAPLI For standings, contact Monkey Brother
Lord Draco Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 04:22:00 - [608] Originally by: McMike Quote: Sunday 08 October 2006 [90 battleships destroyed] [3 battleships lost] Saturday 07 October 2006 [47 battleships destroyed] [12 battleships lost] Friday 06 October 2006 [76 battleships destroyed] [1 battleship lost] Thursday 05 October 2006 [28 battleships destroyed] [2 battleships lost] Wednesday 04 October 2006 [23 battleships destroyed] [4 battleships lost] While BOB trying to claim honesty in all of this, they do not post all their killmails. 22 BS according to BOB above, yet the ASCN killboard have collected 64 BS killmails purely from BOB corps. Either ASCN is making up 3 fake bs mails per real kills, or the BOB propaganda machine is in full swing. I also see four to one kills on HAC in ASCN favour. The mails are right there, check for yourself. I suggest you get your members posting. ....lol I bet you won't respond at all to being mde to look like a complete tool.
Galavet Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 04:29:00 - [609] Originally by: McMike Quote: btw, even if ASCN have 64 BS kills, its still 264 to 64 in BoB favor. No one is suggestive otherwise. I'm just highlight another example of your dishonest reporting. Your stats are based on 11 days. The stats posted before were for 5 days. Our killboard shows 74 BoB BS lost over the 11 days, while the ASCN killboard only shows 64. The fact is that we have posted losses that ASCN don't even show as kills. Yet in the same timeframe of 11 days we show 386 ASCN BS killed minimum while the ASCN killboard claims only 308 lost. Couple that with the fact that our board still shows several ASCN corps as not in the IGA (update the damn page more often CCP!) and you will see who has the more accurate killboard. Shall we discuss dishonest reporting any further? I can take a look at those HAC stats if you want. By the way, you can throw any corp. into your BoB war stats to try and boost your efficiency rating, because itÆs not helping you. Current RKK Ranking: (MIN100) CEO
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 04:31:00 - [610] Originally by: Monkey Brother So, have you guys evicted ASCN from the TPAR area yet? It's been a while since the siege started. Just curious. The siege started Friday morning? We racked up a TON of kills on ASCN since. They are still in the area of TPAR attempting to dread industrial POS' Their latest attempt has left one POS at 35% shields and minus 1 ASCN Dread. We're getting more action out of them than we did when we parked our fleet inside GQ2 and AZN. >>> EvE Online Wallpapers <<<

Galavet Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 04:33:00 - [611] Originally by: McMike The mails are right there, check for yourself. I suggest you get your members posting. Oh and I forgot to add LoL. Current RKK Ranking: (MIN100) CEO
nightjackel Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.09 05:15:00 - [612] Originally by: DeadProphet Edited by: DeadProphet on 09/10/2006 04:04:17 if you think you have bob lossmails not posted on the bob site, send them to the relevent corp, and it will get fixed however i would suggest you make sure you aren't including petcorp losses in the ASCN kill total, as ASCN themselves are doing to make it seem a bit more favourable ;) I'll take you up on that one DeadProphet Name: Profeta Corp: Destruction Influence He lost his Zealot to our gang OVER a week ago in x-7bix. could you ask him to post his loss? Since we are being all honest and all.
DeltaH Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 05:20:00 - [613] Originally by: nightjackel Originally by: DeadProphet Edited by: DeadProphet on 09/10/2006 04:04:17 if you think you have bob lossmails not posted on the bob site, send them to the relevent corp, and it will get fixed however i would suggest you make sure you aren't including petcorp losses in the ASCN kill total, as ASCN themselves are doing to make it seem a bit more favourable ;) I'll take you up on that one DeadProphet Name: Profeta Corp: Destruction Influence He lost his Zealot to our gang OVER a week ago in x-7bix. could you ask him to post his loss? Since we are being all honest and all. I'd recommend eve-mail. The responsible party might not see it on page 16. -DeltaH ---
Sochard	Posted - 2006.10.09 05:22:00 - [614] BOB UNDER SIEGE? Beside all BS kills - isnt that the wrong region??? I was thinking BoB attacks ASCN ...
Callie Nefarious The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.09 05:30:00 - [615] Edited by: Callie Nefarious on 09/10/2006 05:30:53 Well from personal experiance and my one lill scuffle with BOB iI have to give them probs, it was a clean gank (I went on a suicide single run to the war space, so I wont complain). However the one kill i got to their gang was posted almost immediately. And as the nature of the fight, i they post that sort of mail I'm goignt o guess they post 99% as accidents do hapen, ie page errors etc etc or accidentally missing a mailbox with a few in if your tryign to do it too fast. I know I've doen it. Anyways, I'm not siding publically with either side but respect is due to both sides. And as for HAC losses, dotn BOB give out near free HACS to members for this very purpose. So they get used properly? null
Farjung Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 05:36:00 - [616] Edited by: Farjung on 09/10/2006 05:44:10 Edited by: Farjung on 09/10/2006 05:42:18 The relevant procedure in the case of missing killmails is (and always has been when it comes to BoB corps) to mail the CEO of the corp in question the killmail, and lo and behond it will appear. Regarding the vagabond "kill" on Valora, a couple of things; If you're going to fake mails, copying and pasting the destroyed items from a previous mail makes it rather obvious. It also isn't quite so convincing when the pilot you supposedly killed is killing an ally of yours with the same ship thirty-one minutes later, deeper into hostile space - unless of course he has a stash of vagabonds hidden around Esoteria. Finally, Calisto Deramon - you were so quick to post your apparent kill on Valora, but why haven't you posted the Apocalypse you lost to Devvon Maelstron and Morealis forty minutes earlier? McMike; taken from the ASCN killboards: Sunday 8th - three BoB battleships killed Saturday 7th - eleven BoB battleships killed Friday 6th - zero BoB battleships killed Thusday 5th - two BoB battleships killed Wednesday 4th - four BoB battleships killed Looks rather similar, doesn't it? Edit: apparently three of the four carrier losses have been posted on the ASCN boards, apologies! --- Wave of Mutilation 2
Hectic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 05:36:00 - [617] Originally by: Sochard BOB UNDER SIEGE? Beside all BS kills - isnt that the wrong region??? I was thinking BoB attacks ASCN ... I agree, this was a (welcome) surprise. I commend ASCN for having the balls to fight back and make a move into our space. To bad for them it did not go very smoothly, but it was an awesome way to kick off this war! WELCOME BACK MGRL!
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.09 05:40:00 - [618] Originally by: Galavet Edited by: Galavet on 09/10/2006 04:45:52 Originally by: McMike The mails are right there, check for yourself. I suggest you get your members posting. Oh and I forgot to add LoL. Edit: To further my point. This kill was posted on the ASCN killboard: http://ascn.eve-killboard.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=211227 While the pilot was still out getting kills in the exact ship shown as an ASCN kill. I could point to a kill that happend minutes later than the date on the fake kill mail that shows the EVOL pilot still in his vaga, still in enemy space, but I have broken enough forum rules with this post. ASCN HC was made aware of it yet the kill remains on the board. Hmmmmm. I'll break them for you, just cus I am bored http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=106532 Sad, truly sad that they resort to faking killmails ------------------ Save Deimos!
Roxanna Kell Holy Jihad	Posted - 2006.10.09 05:48:00 - [619] Originally by: McMike Quote: Sunday 08 October 2006 [90 battleships destroyed] [3 battleships lost] Saturday 07 October 2006 [47 battleships destroyed] [12 battleships lost] Friday 06 October 2006 [76 battleships destroyed] [1 battleship lost] Thursday 05 October 2006 [28 battleships destroyed] [2 battleships lost] Wednesday 04 October 2006 [23 battleships destroyed] [4 battleships lost] While BOB trying to claim honesty in all of this, they do not post all their killmails. 22 BS according to BOB above, yet the ASCN killboard have collected 64 BS killmails purely from BOB corps. Either ASCN is making up 3 fake bs mails per real kills, or the BOB propaganda machine is in full swing. I also see four to one kills on HAC in ASCN favour. The mails are right there, check for yourself. I suggest you get your members posting. ASCN dont fly f***g hacs. you dont see someone from bob flying a caracal do you? well rarely, dont waste your time digging for loss mails. besides ASCN should just dig it, they re not cut up for pvp, they lack skills as in experience skills as in skill points since they recruit anybody 1-3msp jsut because they can mine. they lack security on TS, security on Forums, and their leader smacks in forum with false news. atm they have gangs roaming in 1-s trying to get some easy gangs. but how is that gonna help the situation PS? those guys are mostly EDF and they re as good as awol to be honest. Quote:** "Don't touch the red button!"
Amior Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.09 07:37:00 - [620] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: McMike Quote: Sunday 08 October 2006 [90 battleships destroyed] [3 battleships lost] Saturday 07 October 2006 [47 battleships destroyed] [12 battleships lost] Friday 06 October 2006 [76 battleships destroyed] [1 battleship lost] Thursday 05 October 2006 [28 battleships destroyed] [2 battleships lost] Wednesday 04 October 2006 [23 battleships destroyed] [4 battleships lost] While BOB trying to claim honesty in all of this, they do not post all their killmails. 22 BS according to BOB above, yet the ASCN killboard have collected 64 BS killmails purely from BOB corps. Either ASCN is making up 3 fake bs mails per real kills, or the BOB propaganda machine is in full swing. I also see four to one kills on HAC in ASCN favour. The mails are right there, check for yourself. I suggest you get your members posting. ASCN dont fly f*****g hacs. you dont see someone from bob flying a caracal do you? well rarely, dont waste your time digging for loss mails. besides ASCN should just dig it, they re not cut up for pvp, they lack skills as in experience skills as in skill points since they recruit anybody 1-3msp jsut because they can mine. they lack security on TS, security on Forums, and their leader smacks in forum with false news. atm they have gangs roaming in 1-s trying to get some easy gangs. but how is that gonna help the situation PS? those guys are mostly EDF and they re as good as awol to be honest. As you may not know but ASCN & other Alliance is in BoB space... they are doing good!... If we use hac we use them... Rule of warfare is we can use any ships we want. ASCN is growing to more pvp and so has AXE. We have proven this that we will stand up. As you also should know... Only a few AXE member help ASCN unless called apon. If ASCN wanted AXE full blown force, then you know what would happen. AXE and ASCN are becoming a large pvp & indutrial alliance. We cover our losses in one day even if over 100 Battleships get blown up. Also "leader" might smack talk in forum, but so does everyone else, specially you right now. Nothing is going to change this smack talk deal on forums. You just got to be there to get the truth. Cheers Amior

HordeZla Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 08:06:00 - [621] Originally by: Mr Abbadon omg the BOB threads. Band of Babies are at it again smacking the forums with alot of dirty diapers. well ppl. what can we do about these band of crying babies? heres some tips: A crying baby gets to everyone. Whether your baby is crying because they are hungry, sad, lonely or have colic, you're probably looking for a way to minimize they time they spend crying and screaming. Here are some tried and true techniques to help reduce the amount of time your newborn baby spends crying. 1: Clings are great ways to carry a baby. Many infants are calmed by the soothing presence of mom, dad or another care provider. These types of carriers are good alternatives to plastic baby carriers. 2: Dr. William Sears literally wrote the book on calming fussy babies. Whether it's physical discomfort, colic, over stimulation or whatever reason your little one is crying, this book can help. 3: Perhaps it's gas? We've all heard that, but occasionally it's true! Mylicon is an over the counter medication for infants and newborns to help relieve tummy troubles of the rumbling nature. 4: White noise or other soothing music can be helpful. Something as simple as a running vacuum or rumbling dryer are enough for some babies. Try putting your baby in a sling and vacuuming the house, or play a CD of lulling music or even pure white noise... 5: or the lack of breast ta ta Get a main! Get some Balls Get a grip! Grow the fuc up! Then get laid!
El Covah No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.09 08:10:00 - [622] We are in BoB space pretty much every day roaming around. Yesterday we had the first real good fight - and guess what ? It wasn't against the "inhabitants". Thanks to GankerGirl, Annu and*****o for giving us the first good fight there since two weeks (or so). Unfortunately the "inhabitants" are mostly (except some people in J-L) hiding or running.
slave111 Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.09 08:23:00 - [623] Originally by: El Covah We are in BoB space pretty much every day roaming around. Yesterday we had the first real good fight - and guess what ? It wasn't against the "inhabitants". Thanks to GankerGirl, Annu and***o for giving us the first good fight there since two weeks (or so). Unfortunately the "inhabitants" are mostly (except some people in J-L) hiding or running. LMAO try tpar and the arears around there as thats where you will find them. Bless. ------------------------------------------------ Minority report:Father Tommaso Caccini denounced Galileo's opinions on the motion of the Earth, judging them dangerous and close to heresy**
El Covah No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.09 08:26:00 - [624] Originally by: slave111 LMAO try tpar and the arears around there as thats where you will find them. The day I will find Imperial Academy claiming TPAR is the day I will quit EVE.
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 08:26:00 - [625] Originally by: El Covah We are in BoB space pretty much every day roaming around. Yesterday we had the first real good fight - and guess what ? It wasn't against the "inhabitants". Thanks to GankerGirl, Annu and***o for giving us the first good fight there since two weeks (or so). Unfortunately the "inhabitants" are mostly (except some people in J-L) hiding or running. errrr, you see the big red dot on the map ... thats where we are killing all your m8s BobÖ Goon Swatter - Eliminates Every Goon**
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 08:29:00 - [626] To be honest we all know where the numbers discussion ends up, it doesn't really prove anything after only a week of fighting either and it tends to get threads locked pretty quickly. As this thread is proving to be a lot of fun perhaps we should talk about something else related to the original post for a page or two rather than discussing how many lemmings have leapt off the cliffs of TPAR/TCAG this weekend Eve Blacklight Style
El Covah No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.09 08:33:00 - [627] Originally by: Blacklight As this thread is proving to be a lot of fun perhaps we should talk about something else related to the original post for a page or two rather than discussing how many lemmings have leapt off the cliffs of TPAR/TCAG this weekend Hmm. Maybe "Who is owning TPAR on Serenity ? Is it the Imperial Academy ?"
Ferocious FeAr Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.09 08:39:00 - [628] Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 09/10/2006 08:44:33 Was there ever debate that ascn was better then bob at pvp as a whole? No. Of course not, although, there are a few ascn corps that hold their own weight when it comes to pvp (small engagements). Others who aren't up to speed in terms of pvp are now learning it through the help of BoB. Will that mean they will become eve finest pvpers? Not necessarly, however, they will gain experience that is important in becoming a more cohesive unit. Even in a good pvp corp/alliance you will have a few players that end up making mistakes, it's human nature. In terms of large scale engagements, there really is no telling what either alliances are capable of accomplishing (servers are too unstable). Why don't we just get rid of the egos. I'm pretty sure everyone in eve (who actually cares) are looking at both alliance killboards. You don't need to disclose every engagement we have. When you are fighting a 5000 man alliance you will have a lot more targets available. Let's just have fun. ________________________________ Don't hate me, learn to love me.
Cyleth Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 08:39:00 - [629] Originally by: Amior As you may not know but ASCN & other Alliance is in BoB space... they are doing good!... Yeah, they are. However, you got weird definition of "doing good". -- Nobody stays behind
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.09 08:58:00 - [630] Originally by: Cyleth Originally by: Amior As you may not know but ASCN & other Alliance is in BoB space... they are doing good!... Yeah, they are. However, you got weird definition of "doing good". as the fights keep raging in your regions and not theirs they are doing good. their industrial backbone is working great. you should get 1000bs kills a day to make them chukle. i think. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...

Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 09:04:00 - [631] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Cyleth Originally by: Amior As you may not know but ASCN & other Alliance is in BoB space... they are doing good!... Yeah, they are. However, you got weird definition of "doing good". as the fights keep raging in your regions and not theirs they are doing good. their industrial backbone is working great. you should get 1000bs kills a day to make them chukle. i think. Our industrial backbone is working great as well, so i dont get your point. We have in no way been affected by this "siege" in tpar, other then having loads of fun and getting ourselves organized with the current state of the servers. ASCN might be learning PVP from this but we are learning how to make the servers work for us as well as getting all our old timers back with the smell of blood so we are growing stronger with every fight. BobÖ Goon Swatter - Eliminates Every Goon
Hennry Fromer Gallente radiated space gerbils	Posted - 2006.10.09 09:23:00 - [632] I think I missed something in the wardecs, posts , and topics. What are BOB's goals from this war, I saw the declaration in the pendulum thread - an offer to end it in another but I can't recall seeing what the goals or victory condition are in this war. If anyone remembers seeing can you please post it here or link me to it, Thanks in advance. Trying to follow this all on the killboards and forums - This looks like a huge undertaking and a lot of work being done by all to keep it going and active so the purpose must be something great.
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.09 09:29:00 - [633] Originally by: Hennry Fromer I saw the declaration in the pendulum thread - an offer to end it in another but I can't recall seeing what the goals or victory condition are in this war. I dont think they posted the war goals, at least not publically. Although its possible I missed it, too many posts to read in this section ------------------ Save Deimos!
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 09:30:00 - [634] We haven't stated any goals. Although I have a sneaky suspiscion that the king of the hobbits knows what the deal is. Eve Blacklight Style
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.09 09:38:00 - [635] Originally by: Kryztal Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Cyleth Originally by: Amior As you may not know but ASCN & other Alliance is in BoB space... they are doing good!... Yeah, they are. However, you got weird definition of "doing good". as the fights keep raging in your regions and not theirs they are doing good. their industrial backbone is working great. you should get 1000bs kills a day to make them chukle. i think. Our industrial backbone is working great as well, so i dont get your point. We have in no way been affected by this "siege" in tpar, other then having loads of fun and getting ourselves organized with the current state of the servers. ASCN might be learning PVP from this but we are learning how to make the servers work for us as well as getting all our old timers back with the smell of blood so we are growing stronger with every fight. Re-read what I said. At no place I said BOB was not working well. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Auman Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 09:53:00 - [636] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Cyleth Originally by: Amior As you may not know but ASCN & other Alliance is in BoB space... they are doing good!... Yeah, they are. However, you got weird definition of "doing good". as the fights keep raging in your regions and not theirs they are doing good. their industrial backbone is working great. you should get 1000bs kills a day to make them chukle. i think. I understand your point and it's a good one. No one outside of ASCN knows how many losses they can really absorb. However, it's morale that will break them. It's very early days and it's great ASCN have been so aggresive, so we'll just have to see what happens over the next few months
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 10:11:00 - [637] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Cyleth Originally by: Amior As you may not know but ASCN & other Alliance is in BoB space... they are doing good!... Yeah, they are. However, you got weird definition of "doing good". as the fights keep raging in your regions and not theirs they are doing good. their industrial backbone is working great. you should get 1000bs kills a day to make them chukle. i think. It's a valid point, but everybody said the same when we attacked FA 18 months ago. Isk is not the glue that binds an alliance together.
Rina Shanu Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.10.09 10:18:00 - [638] Originally by: SirMolle Started early friday morning, at about 06.00 Evetime. ASCN, PoS and the invited V pilots, sent a major fleet over to the edge of Period Basis, roughly 200 brave pilots with reinforcements coming all morning. The system was bubbled up, with bubbles everywhere. They secured 13 POS in system, and sent in ~15 Dreadnoughts, and 10 carriers to attack and siege our POS. They even dared to put 2 of our small POS in reinforced mode. Bastards. Thankfully, the servers have been behaving all day, without node crashes, apart from the individual ones that seem to occure everytime we see a ASCN pod. Outrage. We do not like people knocking on our door when we are asleep. Today, after downtime, we made them pay. We woke up our pilots who drunkenly responded with "huh? what? ASCN trying to invade TPAR? WTF?". Needless to say, a slaughter ensued, the results can be witnessed on our killboard for those who choose to do so. At the moment of writing this, the hostile POS are dying one by one, and normality is ensured. The 250 hostile pilots in TCAG and TPAR is hiding in the wait for better weather, or, simply away washing their hair. We will not enter into a POS spamming war. We will however, make you pay dearly for each and every POS you try and set up. Count your losses, multiply that with the number of POS, and you might get an idea. Tick Tock. Hey, SirMolle Mr, I have a few questions (inquiring reporters sans frontiers asquing employed by my huge curiousity and lack of spelling abilitites). 1st - is it fun to make the drones bump yer post ? 2nd - does the "EvE favours ASCN a bit more" trend affect you in any way ? 3rd - is you kill ration higher than the ASCN build and fit ratio ? BoB: kill 500 BS a minute ASCN: build and fit how much ? Cause if you can kill 3 times what they can kill, but they can afford the losses 4 time what you can kill and are willing to get on the line to get blown up....... what has 4 legs and 1 hand? a happy pitbull
HowlerVonGrowler Caldari Neogen Industries	Posted - 2006.10.09 10:32:00 - [639] Attack is the best form of defence? prahaps ASCN aren't throwing everything at BoB? prahaps ASCN are only attempting to keep BoB in BoB space? --------------------------------------------- A drone is for life, not just for Christmas.
Lone Bear Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 10:42:00 - [640] Originally by: Rina Shanu BoB: kill 500 BS a minute ASCN: build and fit how much ? Cause if you can kill 3 times what they can kill, but they can afford the losses 4 time what you can kill and are willing to get on the line to get blown up....... Assuming each pilot build a bs in a 2h30 / bs basis: 5000 bs build each 150 minutes ---> 33.3 bs build / minute... And you gotta find the factory slots too Anymore "question" of this type?

Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.09 10:57:00 - [641] Originally by: Auman Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Cyleth Originally by: Amior As you may not know but ASCN & other Alliance is in BoB space... they are doing good!... Yeah, they are. However, you got weird definition of "doing good". as the fights keep raging in your regions and not theirs they are doing good. their industrial backbone is working great. you should get 1000bs kills a day to make them chukle. i think. I understand your point and it's a good one. No one outside of ASCN knows how many losses they can really absorb. However, it's morale that will break them. It's very early days and it's great ASCN have been so aggresive, so we'll just have to see what happens over the next few months yes very true. Morale is all what EVE is about (this answers to your remark Alasse Cuthalion too) Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Roxanna Kell Holy Jihad	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:04:00 - [642] Originally by: Amior As you may not know but ASCN & other Alliance is in BoB space... they are doing good!... If we use hac we use them... Rule of warfare is we can use any ships we want. ASCN is growing to more pvp and so has AXE. We have proven this that we will stand up. As you also should know... Only a few AXE member help ASCN unless called apon. If ASCN wanted AXE full blown force, then you know what would happen. AXE and ASCN are becoming a large pvp & indutrial alliance. We cover our losses in one day even if over 100 Battleships get blown up. Also "leader" might smack talk in forum, but so does everyone else, specially you right now. Nothing is going to change this smack talk deal on forums. You just got to be there to get the truth. Cheers Amior Sweet, loose 100 ships everday all i care. you say iam smacking, well i say the truth. why define that as 'SMACK', in your case its a disperate word that hides your self contempt. No my little girl, you dont have a secret army of ORKS, eve is not a battlefield 2 with unlimited respawns were its ok to die, and axe aint Superman Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
Naqq Federal Volunteers Office	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:16:00 - [643] Originally by: Rina Shanu 1st - is it fun to make the drones bump yer post ? Gotta agree with this one. Maybe it has something to do with BOB not having the popularity they used to. A year ago most posters would be 3rd party supporting BoB, now it's just BoB... Sorry to say, not so cool.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:21:00 - [644] Originally by: Naqq Originally by: Rina Shanu 1st - is it fun to make the drones bump yer post ? Gotta agree with this one. Maybe it has something to do with BOB not having the popularity they used to. A year ago most posters would be 3rd party supporting BoB, now it's just BoB... Sorry to say, not so cool. I know, it's crazy to think we would want to talk about a big war that actually involves us and debating with our enemies over battles, tactics and kill/death ratio. Insane isn't it but surprisingly, it happen's Iron and G eat babie's, my views are my own and do not reflect my corp or my alliance
Naqq Federal Volunteers Office	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:25:00 - [645] Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Naqq Originally by: Rina Shanu 1st - is it fun to make the drones bump yer post ? Gotta agree with this one. Maybe it has something to do with BOB not having the popularity they used to. A year ago most posters would be 3rd party supporting BoB, now it's just BoB... Sorry to say, not so cool. I know, it's crazy to think we would want to talk about a big war that actually involves us and debating with our enemies over battles, tactics and kill/death ratio. Insane isn't it but surprisingly, it happen's Actually I was refering to the first ~10 replies made only by BoB shrugs Ps. Don't be a ****
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:36:00 - [646] If i misinterpreted Naqq, i apologise Iron and G eat babie's, my views are my own and do not reflect my corp or my alliance
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:39:00 - [647] Edited by: welsh wizard on 09/10/2006 11:40:08 Aye the whole 'industrial backbone' is obviously very useful but moral is the great decider. If you can take good heart at knowing your industrial capabilities are awesome then good for you, its a big advantage. In my experience though, constantly exploding ships tend to be the biggest moral booster/buster. In this game moral decides the outcome of war. You've got to start operating surgically ASCN, don't throw fleets at them without careful consideration first. How could you use your numbers to gain a better advantage? Perhaps 400 people (plucking random numbers) in one place is not such a good idea? Field equal numbers on the main front and send the rest elsewhere. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Ashen Brarn Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:44:00 - [648] Originally by: Naqq Gotta agree with this one. Maybe it has something to do with BOB not having the popularity they used to. A year ago most posters would be 3rd party supporting BoB, now it's just BoB... Sorry to say, not so cool. oh noes :( ---
Naqq Federal Volunteers Office	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:47:00 - [649] Originally by: fire 59 If i misinterpreted Naqq, i apologise No hard feelings bro, gl hf
Rina Shanu Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:52:00 - [650] Originally by: Lone Bear Originally by: Rina Shanu BoB: kill 500 BS a minute ASCN: build and fit how much ? Cause if you can kill 3 times what they can kill, but they can afford the losses 4 time what you can kill and are willing to get on the line to get blown up....... Assuming each pilot build a bs in a 2h30 / bs basis: 5000 bs build each 150 minutes ---> 33.3 bs build / minute... And you gotta find the factory slots too Anymore "question" of this type? Anytime. So, what you are saying is taht they could build up to 33 BS a minute ? Theory ......... Well, let's say they build 10 fully fitted BS a minute. That is 600BS / hour. They need the pilots to fly them I guess......... Image removed, not appropriate for this site. -Suvetar took you some time... what has 4 legs and 1 arm? a happy pitbull

Beyond Horizon UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:55:00 - [651] what's the system status atm? BoB or ASCN claim? Stop flaming and start providing info for people if you are making this a public thread ffs =/ - BH
Gama24 Gallente No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:08:00 - [652] Edited by: Gama24 on 09/10/2006 12:08:10 TPAR is currently BOB's country.
andynoble	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:10:00 - [653] Think BOB and ASCN should join up and fight CCP!! and get the lag/crashes sorted out, as many of us simply cant pvp at the moment. I know my corp doesnt show up, cant't seem to get it to work, so I'm EDF and ASCN.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:12:00 - [654] Edited by: Butter Dog on 09/10/2006 12:12:22 Originally by: Auman I understand your point and it's a good one. No one outside of ASCN knows how many losses they can really absorb. However, it's morale that will break them. It's very early days and it's great ASCN have been so aggresive, so we'll just have to see what happens over the next few months As they are WILLINGLY taking the fight to your space, I'd say it looks like they are enjoying themselves. They have near unlimited resources to fund the war, they are learning, they are clearly having fun. If anything, their morale is probably better than before the war started. As I am sure yours is. Wars bring alliances together, and make them stronger, provided they are enjoying them which you both seem to be doing.
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:20:00 - [655] Originally by: Beyond Horizon what's the system status atm? BoB or ASCN claim? Stop flaming and start providing info for people if you are making this a public thread ffs =/ For clarification; BoB holds the station and system sovereignty and has done so every day thus far. BoB had two small control towers put in to reinforced and later destroyed on the first day, nothing less and nothing more. ASCN deployed 13 large towers, so far 10 have been destroyed and 3 remain in reinforced mode at the time of writing.
Lone Bear Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:21:00 - [656] Originally by: Rina Shanu Anytime. So, what you are saying is taht they could build up to 33 BS a minute ? Theory ......... Well, let's say they build 10 fully fitted BS a minute. That is 600BS / hour. They need the pilots to fly them I guess......... You were arguing about industrial strengh, now you re putting in the human factor... ...Open up your calculator, check minerals requirements, factory slots requirements, bpc requirements (bpo+bpc time copy+ bpc buying), then add build time. Mix it up, add a bit of travel time. I'm not saying they can build 33.3 bs / minute I used theorical numbers with each member of ASCN building a BS using bpc/bpo with a good/average ME, refering to your "1st" post where you were asking if we were efficient enough compared to their supply ability... But well, with this post you have answered your own question which was: Originally by: Rina Shanu "BoB: kill 500 BS a minute ASCN: build and fit how much ? Cause if you can kill 3 times what they can kill, but they can afford the losses 4 time what you can kill and are willing to get on the line to get blown up......." You can't match such a number of BS killed per minute (which is "a bit" high ) by building only.
Unbeliever Kresmoreen Communist Vikings Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:25:00 - [657] The sole purpose of such a propaganda machine is to demoralise the enemy. Time will tell if it works - It seems to have served BoB well in the past though. Lots of haters for both sides kicking about; Seems pretty obvious the arrogance of BoB is mostly front, if you instill a picture of being unassailable (and back it up with results, again & again) you've already got a major advantage. If people are nervous going into the fight, they're making mistakes they wouldn't normally. That said, if the industrial backbone of ASCN is even half of what people hint, and they stick to it, this won't be an easy campaign by a long shot. Good luck to all
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:25:00 - [658] Originally by: Sprak Originally by: Roxanna Kell Sunday 08 October 2006 [90 battleships destroyed] [3 battleships lost] Saturday 07 October 2006 [47 battleships destroyed] [12 battleships lost] Friday 06 October 2006 [76 battleships destroyed] [1 battleship lost] Thursday 05 October 2006 [28 battleships destroyed] [2 battleships lost] Wednesday 04 October 2006 [23 battleships destroyed] [4 battleships lost] Add 3 carriers to that count and countless fighters [approximately the cost of 1 BC each] This numbers are 99% accurate. But there are some further points to discuss. Node crashed about 10 times during these engagments (except at the late one b4 dt on saturday, where the 12 BoB losses occured) At that engagment combined forces of ASCN/AXE/POS had better kill/loss ratio than BoB. Check the killboards for forther intel (7.10.2006 between 05:55:00 - 07:41:00 according to AXE killboard). The most BSs BoB killed on the rest of the engagments were easy kills, when the node crashed and the won the login race. I say most not all, not to get flamed here. I am not saying that these are not kills and they have to be removed from the killboards, but u cannot get killed from some1 who is currently login and not loaded yet. So that explains the big diference on the kill/loss ratio on the ASCN side. BoB is maybe the best PvP alliance in the game. They have supperior engagment tactics, great FCs and they had won the most of the engagments anyway, even if the node didnt crashed. But claiming 70 and 50 and 30 BSs kills bcs u guys won the login race is a bit odd. Again u would have won those engagments anyway, but we have killed some BSs of urs too. 70 kills and 0 loss is a fact only bcs the node crashed. I know ppl who tried to login hours later after the node crashed while jumping in, only to get ganged at the gate. I know ppl who were at the pos b4 the node crash and after the node crash they login at the gate, only to get ganged. So u got the kills and thats fair enough. I am trying only to explain why we didnt get ours as well here :-) ----------------------------------
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:26:00 - [659] i have no doubt that we will brake ASCN morale long before there industrial backbone, but when thats broken theres arent long to the industrial backbone, who wanna keep producing bs to corpmates who loose em faster then it takes to enter a new into the factory slot. snip Don't be nasty [email protected] to discuss mod - Cathath i am not nasty
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:27:00 - [660] Originally by: Magnus Thermopyle - "We are the best" - "You should all hold us in awe" - "We are slaughtering ASCN" - "We rule" - "We owns everyon" I wonder how long SirMolle will allow BoB members to make a fool out of themselves? You'll get about 5 BoB replies along the line of 'stfu fanboi nub' now...

Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:38:00 - [661] You forget that in the engagment where we lost alot of battleships we killed 2 carriers. Nice try
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:41:00 - [662] Originally by: Zeveron Originally by: Sprak Originally by: Roxanna Kell Sunday 08 October 2006 [90 battleships destroyed] [3 battleships lost] Saturday 07 October 2006 [47 battleships destroyed] [12 battleships lost] Friday 06 October 2006 [76 battleships destroyed] [1 battleship lost] Thursday 05 October 2006 [28 battleships destroyed] [2 battleships lost] Wednesday 04 October 2006 [23 battleships destroyed] [4 battleships lost] Add 3 carriers to that count and countless fighters [approximately the cost of 1 BC each] This numbers are 99% accurate. But there are some further points to discuss. Node crashed about 10 times during these engagments (except at the late one b4 dt on saturday, where the 12 BoB losses occured) At that engagment combined forces of ASCN/AXE/POS had better kill/loss ratio than BoB. Check the killboards for forther intel (7.10.2006 between 05:55:00 - 07:41:00 according to AXE killboard). The most BSs BoB killed on the rest of the engagments were easy kills, when the node crashed and the won the login race. I say most not all, not to get flamed here. I am not saying that these are not kills and they have to be removed from the killboards, but u cannot get killed from some1 who is currently login and not loaded yet. So that explains the big diference on the kill/loss ratio on the ASCN side. BoB is maybe the best PvP alliance in the game. They have supperior engagment tactics, great FCs and they had won the most of the engagments anyway, even if the node didnt crashed. But claiming 70 and 50 and 30 BSs kills bcs u guys won the login race is a bit odd. Again u would have won those engagments anyway, but we have killed some BSs of urs too. 70 kills and 0 loss is a fact only bcs the node crashed. I know ppl who tried to login hours later after the node crashed while jumping in, only to get ganged at the gate. I know ppl who were at the pos b4 the node crash and after the node crash they login at the gate, only to get ganged. So u got the kills and thats fair enough. I am trying only to explain why we didnt get ours as well here :-) The reason why we're winning the "login race" is because every single BoB player restarts and logs in after every node crash. Unlike most ASCN people and FCs telling them to stay logged off. (While claiming that BoB use login-hack-tactics till a certain ASCN .wav file was made public) You want to stop giving us "easy kills"? Tell your people to start logging in after node deaths and while you're at it, replace your FCs with more competent ones. >>> EvE Online Wallpapers <<<
Tadis Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:45:00 - [663] Lot harder to defend against a dozen small roaming fleets with objectives and planned withdrawal strategies than it is a singular system. I know which I'd prefer to co-ordinate defence against anyhow ^^ ___________________________________
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:48:00 - [664] Originally by: Tadis Lot harder to defend against a dozen small roaming fleets with objectives and planned withdrawal strategies than it is a singular system. I know which I'd prefer to co-ordinate defence against anyhow ^^ You're assuming there's something to defend from small fleets. Large fleets can hurt your pos, small ones cannot. All they can achieve is resticting the freedom to travel, and that's easily dealt with if you are well organised isn't it ? And anyway, we're better at playing that game then they are, that's porbably why they came to TPAR in the first place. Old blog
Auman Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:54:00 - [665] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 09/10/2006 12:12:22 Originally by: Auman I understand your point and it's a good one. No one outside of ASCN knows how many losses they can really absorb. However, it's morale that will break them. It's very early days and it's great ASCN have been so aggresive, so we'll just have to see what happens over the next few months As they are WILLINGLY taking the fight to your space, I'd say it looks like they are enjoying themselves. They have near unlimited resources to fund the war, they are learning, they are clearly having fun. If anything, their morale is probably better than before the war started. As I am sure yours is. Wars bring alliances together, and make them stronger, provided they are enjoying them which you both seem to be doing. I must say thats an extremely odd view to take on the situation. Winning fights is good for moral. Losing closely fought battles is ok too (if you don't do it too often). Totally one sided battles simply destroy moral. Sitting at a POS with equal or higher numbers with FC's too afraid to engage is very dull. I'm sure initially the invasion was greeted with enthusiasm but to be beaten so soundly will have had a very negative impact. Now this certainly isn't the end and it will take many more weekends like this to break them. It's a good start for us though. Your point about resources is great but when people stop turning up to pilot those replacement ships your industry counts for nothing.
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:56:00 - [666] Originally by: HostageTaker The reason why we're winning the "login race" is because every single BoB player restarts and logs in after every node crash. Unlike most ASCN people and FCs telling them to stay logged off. [:roll: (While claiming that BoB use login-hack-tactics till a certain ASCN .wav file was made public) You want to stop giving us "easy kills"? Tell your people to start logging in after node deaths and while you're at it, replace your FCs with more competent ones. Well I am not saying u guys using an exploit to login faster. But in bot cases I ve lost a BS u had 20 ppl at the gate while we all were waiting on the queue (we had a covert at the gate). When the 1st of us logged on you guys were about 40. The point of my post was just to explain the big diference between the kill/loss ratio on the ASCN side. As far as the 2 carriers lost during the small pos attack, well they didnt asked for help, when they asked we came and you hit the belts and the SSs :-) ----------------------------------
Farjung Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:58:00 - [667] Edited by: Farjung on 09/10/2006 13:00:08 Originally by: Zeveron Node crashed about 10 times during these engagments (except at the late one b4 dt on saturday, where the 12 BoB losses occured) At that engagment combined forces of ASCN/AXE/POS had better kill/loss ratio than BoB. Check the killboards for forther intel (7.10.2006 between 05:55:00 - 07:41:00 according to AXE killboard). During that period (well up until 07:55) according to the BoB killboard, in TPAR-G BoB killed 9 battleships, 7 frigates, and 2 carriers, and lost 11 battleships, 2 cruisers, 2 frigates and 1 hac. A resounding victory for us? Hardly - but I'd still suggest we probably came out ahead. Not bad considering it was 25-30 of us attacking over a hundred of you. Edit: Quote: As far as the 2 carriers lost during the small pos attack, well they didnt asked for help, when they asked we came and you hit the belts and the SSs :-) If you're not going to include them in your total, please don't claim your total represents the "combined forces of ASCN/AXE/POS". --- Wave of Mutilation 2
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.09 13:14:00 - [668] Originally by: Farjung Edited by: Farjung on 09/10/2006 13:00:08 Originally by: Zeveron Node crashed about 10 times during these engagments (except at the late one b4 dt on saturday, where the 12 BoB losses occured) At that engagment combined forces of ASCN/AXE/POS had better kill/loss ratio than BoB. Check the killboards for forther intel (7.10.2006 between 05:55:00 - 07:41:00 according to AXE killboard). During that period (well up until 07:55) according to the BoB killboard, in TPAR-G BoB killed 9 battleships, 7 frigates, and 2 carriers, and lost 11 battleships, 2 cruisers, 2 frigates and 1 hac. A resounding victory for us? Hardly - but I'd still suggest we probably came out ahead. Not bad considering it was 25-30 of us attacking over a hundred of you. Edit: Quote: As far as the 2 carriers lost during the small pos attack, well they didnt asked for help, when they asked we came and you hit the belts and the SSs :-) If you're not going to include them in your total, please don't claim your total represents the "combined forces of ASCN/AXE/POS". If you include that MC Astarte in the loss ratio it would be more accurate, but i dont wana heat up the discussion here again. And yes we maybe loss that engagment to, bcs of the 2 carriers lost at the pos, but the kill/loss ratio was better than the engagments b4. And the numbers were not that uneven bcs the 50% of our fleet couldnt engage bcs of lack in range. Again guys, was a nice fight, we both had fun, we both had our losses and kills. ----------------------------------
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 13:16:00 - [669] Regardless of whether ASCN succeed or fail in their TPAR-G assault, regardless of who loses the most ships in the end... What matters is that ASCN had the guts to take 130BS, POS and sundry and commit them fully to an attack of this magnitude. They had the courage to take the risks and now they are already lightyears above all the other "PVP alliances" that initially used to whine at BoB for NOT attacking "big alliances like ASCN" in the past, and now when we do, whine about attacking a non-PVP alliance. You guys are really hard to please. As far as it looks now, ASCN is more of a PVP alliance than a lot of the PVP alliances out there. There is honor in the mere act of fighting in this war, and I will not begrudge any respect for ASCN even if they lose more than they should. Kudos to ASCN for the audacity of the assault on TPAR-G, and I hope we see more of the same aggressiveness (with better follow though next time).
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 13:24:00 - [670] Originally by: Zeveron Snip So basically what you're saying is that you can beat us with even numbers but you keep losing because of the lag? If that's the case then why don't you only bring 50 people at a time and we'll do the same?

Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.09 13:34:00 - [671] Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Originally by: Zeveron Snip So basically what you're saying is that you can beat us with even numbers but you keep losing because of the lag? If that's the case then why don't you only bring 50 people at a time and we'll do the same? I just explained the big diference of the kill/loss ratio. I even said u had won the most of the engagments anyway, even if the node didnt crashed. I didnt said anything about lag. And no we cannot bring only 50 ppl bcs ur are better PvP oriented, u got more expirience at PvP and u use superior tactics, so we have to counter that with numbers. ----------------------------------
Sir Erighan The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.09 13:47:00 - [672] Edited by: Sir Erighan on 09/10/2006 13:53:46 Originally by: Rebellion Edited by: Rebellion on 09/10/2006 13:19:40 Regardless of whether ASCN succeed or fail in their TPAR-G assault, regardless of who loses the most ships in the end... What matters is that ASCN (AXE and POS too btw) had the guts to take 130BS, POS and sundry and commit them fully to an attack of this magnitude. They had the courage to take the risks and now they are already lightyears above all the other "PVP alliances" that initially used to whine at BoB for NOT attacking "big alliances like ASCN" in the past, and now when we do, whine about attacking a non-PVP alliance. You guys are really hard to please. As far as it looks now, ASCN is more of a PVP alliance than a lot of the PVP alliances out there. There is honor in the mere act of fighting in this war, and I will not begrudge any respect for ASCN even if they lose more than they should. Kudos to ASCN for the audacity of the assault on TPAR-G, and I hope we see more of the same aggressiveness (with better follow though next time). Thanks for the kind words Rebellion. I, as most of ASCN, share the mutual respect for your abilities in war. To everyone else, I do want to clarify a few things. Yes, weÆve lost a crap load of ships. Yes, BoB is kicking our butts in head-to-head fleet battles. No one is going to deny those facts. However, BoB is not beating us because of the strength of their guns. They are beating us because of ASCNÆs lack of experience in fleet ops during the ôcurrent state of the gameö. BoB knows how to handle the lag and node crashes and have been, unfortunately for us, been able to take advantage the situation. Almost all of our losses have been because we tried jumping into their blobàlagged, crashed, relogged and were picked off 1, 2, 3 at a time. Most of our kills and fun have been from smaller engagements and weÆve done really well in those situations. WeÆve been able to compete with them on a smaller scale, but have not been able to beat them when large blobs were involved. WeÆre still learning what the system can handle and what it canÆt. The past week has taught us a lot. The learning curve was steep and we paid for it in the price of ships, but weÆre still very well in this war. Thanks
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 13:51:00 - [673] Well, live and learn. Everyone goes through it, we are no different. The enjoyment everyone derives from this war will be based on each sides' capability to attack and counterattack. Both adapting to the demands of the god of war that we all serve: EVE.
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 13:53:00 - [674] Originally by: Zeveron alot random talk Listen dude. because half u fleet is out of range does not make numbers even. either u fc ****** up or our did some smart. learn from it and try and adapt a bit or hire some mercs to fc for u snip Don't be nasty [email protected] to discuss mod - Cathath i am not nasty
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 13:57:00 - [675] Another report on yesterdays events (No welsh i wont say unbiased coz apprently u get uneasy when i use big words :PPPP ) -ASCN fleet 125 , 45 bs and rest is support plus 4 dreads in tcag. -ASCN decides to attack a medium pos in TCAG for no apprent reason sicne TCAG has no staions. -ASCN has a revelation , moros , phoenix , naglfar hammering the medium pos and taking it to half shield and both fleets , BOB fleet sitting on tcag gate and ASCN fleet on tpar gates with bubbels and full camp. -Plan was made and BOB sends a frig gang with manover of our BS fleet and they jump into Tcag and aggros the dreads and tackel them while opening a cyno for our carriers and MS . -3 Dreads manage to run away and one get smoked. ASCN fleet still camps both Tpar gate and VYO. -BOB bs fleet stays put in TPAR while our support does a series of manovers and kills about 25 + bs plus support and losses around 20+ support also . Outcome is 1 dread lost plus 30 BS and numerous support for ASCN , BOB POS still standing and 0 bs losses and around 30 support lost. Above facts can be confirmed by KB and ppl who were in this fight . And yes i didnt get any kills coz i was stuck in a friggin BS "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
SIJack	Posted - 2006.10.09 14:08:00 - [676] ok this is my opinion as a neutral persone. I realy hope ASCN realy liked puting up those outposts becouse i have a fealing they will have to do it over again in some other part of space in eve if BOB gets ****ed :D dont delete this post its my main ;)
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.09 14:42:00 - [677] Originally by: Sir JoJo Originally by: Zeveron alot random talk Listen dude. because half u fleet is out of range does not make numbers even. either u fc ****** up or our did some smart. learn from it and try and adapt a bit or hire some mercs to fc for u why u guys have to smack that much? Can u read? Read b4 post is a good advice, unless u want to get ur post count up :-) ----------------------------------
Toppar Wear Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.09 14:57:00 - [678] Originally by: Rebellion Edited by: Rebellion on 09/10/2006 13:19:40 Regardless of whether ASCN succeed or fail in their TPAR-G assault, regardless of who loses the most ships in the end... What matters is that ASCN (AXE and POS too btw) had the guts to take 130BS, POS and sundry and commit them fully to an attack of this magnitude. They had the courage to take the risks and now they are already lightyears above all the other "PVP alliances" that initially used to whine at BoB for NOT attacking "big alliances like ASCN" in the past, and now when we do, whine about attacking a non-PVP alliance. You guys are really hard to please. As far as it looks now, ASCN is more of a PVP alliance than a lot of the PVP alliances out there. There is honor in the mere act of fighting in this war, and I will not begrudge any respect for ASCN even if they lose more than they should. Kudos to ASCN for the audacity of the assault on TPAR-G, and I hope we see more of the same aggressiveness (with better follow though next time). <3 U! Bob are a great pvp alliance, we might be laking in terms of pvp but we do our best and we keep trying our best. The is whats importanten and keep us all going. We loose some but we will also win some, if only the experience witch i hardly dought. It is a honnor just to be there on both sides. To the rest of you out there plz lets keep the smack at a minimum - it will not brake ASCN/AXE/POS moral, we are just gonna do as we do and improve! Topper signing off, cya on the battle field!
ElCoCo Gallente KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.10.09 15:05:00 - [679] Is Cyvok playing lemmings with you guys(ASCN)? How can you be so deluded to think you're even close to doing "good".
Malicious Wraith The Dark Side of the Moon	Posted - 2006.10.09 15:16:00 - [680] I will be a fleet commander for ASCN if they pay me 2 billion ISK, and I will stay through the entire war. Contact me if interested ^.- ----------------------------------------

Sir Erighan The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.09 15:29:00 - [681] Originally by: ElCoCo Is Cyvok playing lemmings with you guys(ASCN)? How can you be so deluded to think you're even close to doing "good". "Good" is an opinion based on what? Are we losing more ships than them? Hell yes. Are we taking an offensive approach? Hell yes. Are we turtling in our home space? Hell no. Are we learning from past mistakes? Most of us are. Are we getting stronger? Hope so. Most of the outside community is focusing too much on the kill boards. Yes, we lose more battleships than they do, but how many of them are T2 fitting compared to BoBs? Yes, we lose more T1 ships like frigates and cruisers, but how many interceptors, HACs and other T2 ships do they lose? You can check the KB for previous weeks and see that we come out on top for most of those ships classes.
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 15:32:00 - [682] Originally by: Sir Erighan Originally by: ElCoCo Is Cyvok playing lemmings with you guys(ASCN)? How can you be so deluded to think you're even close to doing "good". "Good" is an opinion based on what? Are we losing more ships than them? Hell yes. Are we taking an offensive approach? Hell yes. Are we turtling in our home space? Hell no. Are we learning from past mistakes? Most of us are. Are we getting stronger? Hope so. Most of the outside community is focusing too much on the kill boards. Yes, we lose more battleships than they do, but how many of them are T2 fitting compared to BoBs? Yes, we lose more T1 ships like frigates and cruisers, but how many interceptors, HACs and other T2 ships do they lose? You can check the KB for previous weeks and see that we come out on top for most of those ships classes. It doesn't matter 1 single bit when you lose almost every fight. You made a push on T-PAR, and we shrugged it off without any problems. Diversion or not, no1 wants to lose that many ships.
Sir Erighan The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.09 15:43:00 - [683] Of course we don't want lose ships. I was only pointing some of the "good" points that others may not have noticed. I can't speak about the push on TPAR that just happened because I wasn't there, but I'm sure it was the same old story. We attacked, lagged, relogged/whatever, and were picked off one at a time when we logged back on, came out of warp or came out of cloak from jumping through a gate. Or did it happen differently this time? If it did happen differently, then better luck to us next time.
Trooper B99 Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.09 15:44:00 - [684] Originally by: Zeveron If you include that MC Astarte in the loss ratio it would be more accurate, but i dont wana heat up the discussion here again. I suggest you don't bother to include it as Neurotic cat was there solo unless you want to claim that the MC was there with a fleet of one. Originally by: Neurotic cat teh nub from the comments of his loss I was in J-8, did a little patrol to see if the asshats were about. Took a trip to TPAR to play tourist. Local jumped from 95 to over 200. I found an entire wall of red at one of the gates. Didn't last long after that. :) Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 15:45:00 - [685] Originally by: Sir Erighan Of course we don't want lose ships. I was only pointing some of the "good" points that others may not have noticed. I can't speak about the push on TPAR that just happened because I wasn't there, but I'm sure it was the same old story. We attacked, lagged, relogged/whatever, and were picked off one at a time when we logged back on, came out of warp or came out of cloak from jumping through a gate. Or did it happen differently this time? If it did happen differently, then better luck to us next time. Actually your fleet in TPAR very bravely warped in on us at close range a little while ago, nice try whoever your FC was, respect for having a go. Eve Blacklight Style
Sirr Hammer Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 15:49:00 - [686] Originally by: Sir Erighan Edited by: Sir Erighan on 09/10/2006 13:53:46 Originally by: Rebellion Edited by: Rebellion on 09/10/2006 13:19:40 Regardless of whether ASCN succeed or fail in their TPAR-G assault, regardless of who loses the most ships in the end... What matters is that ASCN (AXE and POS too btw) had the guts to take 130BS, POS and sundry and commit them fully to an attack of this magnitude. They had the courage to take the risks and now they are already lightyears above all the other "PVP alliances" that initially used to whine at BoB for NOT attacking "big alliances like ASCN" in the past, and now when we do, whine about attacking a non-PVP alliance. You guys are really hard to please. As far as it looks now, ASCN is more of a PVP alliance than a lot of the PVP alliances out there. There is honor in the mere act of fighting in this war, and I will not begrudge any respect for ASCN even if they lose more than they should. Kudos to ASCN for the audacity of the assault on TPAR-G, and I hope we see more of the same aggressiveness (with better follow though next time). Thanks for the kind words Rebellion. I, as most of ASCN, share the mutual respect for your abilities in war. To everyone else, I do want to clarify a few things. Yes, weÆve lost a crap load of ships. Yes, BoB is kicking our butts in head-to-head fleet battles. No one is going to deny those facts. However, BoB is not beating us because of the strength of their guns. They are beating us because of ASCNÆs lack of experience in fleet ops during the ôcurrent state of the gameö. BoB knows how to handle the lag and node crashes and have been, unfortunately for us, been able to take advantage the situation. Almost all of our losses have been because we tried jumping into their blobàlagged, crashed, relogged and were picked off 1, 2, 3 at a time. Most of our kills and fun have been from smaller engagements and weÆve done really well in those situations. WeÆve been able to compete with them on a smaller scale, but have not been able to beat them when large blobs were involved. WeÆre still learning what the system can handle and what it canÆt. The past week has taught us a lot. The learning curve was steep and we paid for it in the price of ships, but weÆre still very well in this war. Thanks im not saying that ur wrong in what ur saying . and i might just have mist it ..but when has u jumpt in to oure "blob" exsept for the time 30 of ur bs was forced to jump in to oure fleet as oure suport was on ur ass and u or ur fc thought it was oure intire fleet that came tru..u dident really die to lag there but to oure intire fleet waiting for u ..oo yea and u dident jump tru to engage. u went tru to run .but ofc if its not that time ur taking about then plz do tell ..
Kanae Minmatar Vogon Deconstruction Fleet Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 15:55:00 - [687] Sad thing is that "relogging" before a battle is your best weapon. He who logs in the fastest wins and CCP's standard answer is to deny anything happend. "Reviewing the logs we see no issues at the time." Umm ya all 300 of us just logged off at the same time. I am not saying the results would be any differnt with a system that actually works it just sucks that CCP cant fix it and their GM's policy is deny/block petition.
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.09 15:55:00 - [688] Originally by: Trooper B99 Originally by: Zeveron If you include that MC Astarte in the loss ratio it would be more accurate, but i dont wana heat up the discussion here again. I suggest you don't bother to include it as Neurotic cat was there solo unless you want to claim that the MC was there with a fleet of one. Originally by: Neurotic cat teh nub from the comments of his loss I was in J-8, did a little patrol to see if the asshats were about. Took a trip to TPAR to play tourist. Local jumped from 95 to over 200. I found an entire wall of red at one of the gates. Didn't last long after that. :) yeah, was a bit strange watching a lonely fleet cmd ship at the gate. Well i have to say he warped/jumped there on his own, after bob gang warped off. ----------------------------------
Karmic Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.09 16:00:00 - [689] Originally by: Zeveron Originally by: Trooper B99 Originally by: Zeveron If you include that MC Astarte in the loss ratio it would be more accurate, but i dont wana heat up the discussion here again. I suggest you don't bother to include it as Neurotic cat was there solo unless you want to claim that the MC was there with a fleet of one. Originally by: Neurotic cat teh nub from the comments of his loss I was in J-8, did a little patrol to see if the asshats were about. Took a trip to TPAR to play tourist. Local jumped from 95 to over 200. I found an entire wall of red at one of the gates. Didn't last long after that. :) yeah, was a bit strange watching a lonely fleet cmd ship at the gate. Well i have to say he warped/jumped there on his own, after bob gang warped off. - - - - - - - - -
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 16:03:00 - [690] The real question is are your leaders lead by example and die with you on the front lines or do they give speeches and let you die while they transfer assets anticipating their own post alliance existence. Answer that question and you will know if itÆs worth it. The truth will set you free

LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 16:15:00 - [691] Edited by: LUKEC on 09/10/2006 16:16:07 Originally by: Kanae Sad thing is that "relogging" before a battle is your best weapon. He who logs in the fastest wins and CCP's standard answer is to deny anything happend. "Reviewing the logs we see no issues at the time." Umm ya all 300 of us just logged off at the same time. I am not saying the results would be any differnt with a system that actually works it just sucks that CCP cant fix it and their GM's policy is deny/block petition. What's your point exactly? You think we crash nodes on purpose with logoffs(tbh what logoffs? ) ? Maybe you need to see clouds of drones 200km off gates to make you feel better,like sunshine in the morning? --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
DeadDuck Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 16:30:00 - [692] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 09/10/2006 16:16:07 Maybe you need to see clouds of drones 200km off gates to make you feel better,like sunshine in the morning? I didnt read all the posts in here, but are you saying that ASCN is deploying all their drones in gate camps and fleet battles and then complain about lag ????
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 16:46:00 - [693] Edited by: LUKEC on 09/10/2006 16:50:05 Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 09/10/2006 16:16:07 Maybe you need to see clouds of drones 200km off gates to make you feel better,like sunshine in the morning? I didnt read all the posts in here, but are you saying that ASCN is deploying all their drones in gate camps and fleet battles and then complain about lag ???? Well this morning only some battleships had drones out in camp in TCAG, so maybe they are looking into the matter. But if question is, do they deploy drones when people are jumping in/warping in(this one isn't that problematic), answer is yes. If you want some drone sunshine, go watch E3 conflict by Evil Thug(6m30-45s) or latest hellrazira666(sp?) vid. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Sir Erighan The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.09 16:55:00 - [694] Edited by: Sir Erighan on 09/10/2006 16:55:50 Originally by: Sirr Hammer Originally by: Sir Erighan Edited by: Sir Erighan on 09/10/2006 13:53:46 Originally by: Rebellion Edited by: Rebellion on 09/10/2006 13:19:40 Regardless of whether ASCN succeed or fail in their TPAR-G assault, regardless of who loses the most ships in the end... What matters is that ASCN (AXE and POS too btw) had the guts to take 130BS, POS and sundry and commit them fully to an attack of this magnitude. They had the courage to take the risks and now they are already lightyears above all the other "PVP alliances" that initially used to whine at BoB for NOT attacking "big alliances like ASCN" in the past, and now when we do, whine about attacking a non-PVP alliance. You guys are really hard to please. As far as it looks now, ASCN is more of a PVP alliance than a lot of the PVP alliances out there. There is honor in the mere act of fighting in this war, and I will not begrudge any respect for ASCN even if they lose more than they should. Kudos to ASCN for the audacity of the assault on TPAR-G, and I hope we see more of the same aggressiveness (with better follow though next time). Thanks for the kind words Rebellion. I, as most of ASCN, share the mutual respect for your abilities in war. To everyone else, I do want to clarify a few things. Yes, weÆve lost a crap load of ships. Yes, BoB is kicking our butts in head-to-head fleet battles. No one is going to deny those facts. However, BoB is not beating us because of the strength of their guns. They are beating us because of ASCNÆs lack of experience in fleet ops during the ôcurrent state of the gameö. BoB knows how to handle the lag and node crashes and have been, unfortunately for us, been able to take advantage the situation. Almost all of our losses have been because we tried jumping into their blobàlagged, crashed, relogged and were picked off 1, 2, 3 at a time. Most of our kills and fun have been from smaller engagements and weÆve done really well in those situations. WeÆve been able to compete with them on a smaller scale, but have not been able to beat them when large blobs were involved. WeÆre still learning what the system can handle and what it canÆt. The past week has taught us a lot. The learning curve was steep and we paid for it in the price of ships, but weÆre still very well in this war. Thanks im not saying that ur wrong in what ur saying . and i might just have mist it ..but when has u jumpt in to oure "blob" exsept for the time 30 of ur bs was forced to jump in to oure fleet as oure suport was on ur ass and u or ur fc thought it was oure intire fleet that came tru..u dident really die to lag there but to oure intire fleet waiting for u ..oo yea and u dident jump tru to engage. u went tru to run .but ofc if its not that time ur taking about then plz do tell .. Yes, what you said is very true. However, your attack with support ships came only minutes after the node crashed (multiple times). More than half of the ASCN fleet was trying to log back in. BoB was able to log over 180 people into TPAR (I know because I was in local) while we had about 40 outside TPAR and about 10 inside TPAR. Yes, IÆm sure our FC thought you were warping your entire fleet in, which is why they jumped into TPAR, but they jumped because they were obviously out-gunned at that point. Your FC took advantage of the situation, which is why we lost. IÆm not saying we wouldnÆt have done the same or trying to discredit anyone, but there was a reason we lost our entire fleet, and it wasnÆt because we ôbattled it out with each otherö Not a single person that jumped into TPAR got a shot off. They lagged out/froze, CTD, got stuck in gate ques and were then shot at as they trickled into TPAR.
DeadDuck Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 16:58:00 - [695] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 09/10/2006 16:50:05 Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 09/10/2006 16:16:07 Maybe you need to see clouds of drones 200km off gates to make you feel better,like sunshine in the morning? I didnt read all the posts in here, but are you saying that ASCN is deploying all their drones in gate camps and fleet battles and then complain about lag ???? Well this morning only some battleships had drones out in camp in TCAG, so maybe they are looking into the matter. But if question is, do they deploy drones when people are jumping in/warping in(this one isn't that problematic), answer is yes. I really would love to see people confirm this... complaining about lag and node crashes and in the meanwhile releasing drone clouds in battles ...
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.09 17:02:00 - [696] Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 09/10/2006 16:50:05 Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 09/10/2006 16:16:07 Maybe you need to see clouds of drones 200km off gates to make you feel better,like sunshine in the morning? I didnt read all the posts in here, but are you saying that ASCN is deploying all their drones in gate camps and fleet battles and then complain about lag ???? Well this morning only some battleships had drones out in camp in TCAG, so maybe they are looking into the matter. But if question is, do they deploy drones when people are jumping in/warping in(this one isn't that problematic), answer is yes. I really would love to see people confirm this... complaining about lag and node crashes and in the meanwhile releasing drone clouds in battles ... well I didnt c that much drones used from both sides. There r some videos posted in the thread, go check them out. We r complaining about node crashes when we warp or jumping in. And at those cases drones are irelevant. We know that there gona be lag in large scale battles, we r not complaining about lag. ----------------------------------
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 17:04:00 - [697] Originally by: Zeveron Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 09/10/2006 16:50:05 Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 09/10/2006 16:16:07 Maybe you need to see clouds of drones 200km off gates to make you feel better,like sunshine in the morning? I didnt read all the posts in here, but are you saying that ASCN is deploying all their drones in gate camps and fleet battles and then complain about lag ???? Well this morning only some battleships had drones out in camp in TCAG, so maybe they are looking into the matter. But if question is, do they deploy drones when people are jumping in/warping in(this one isn't that problematic), answer is yes. I really would love to see people confirm this... complaining about lag and node crashes and in the meanwhile releasing drone clouds in battles ... well I didnt c that much drones used from both sides. There r some videos posted in the thread, go check them out. We r complaining about node crashes when we warp or jumping in. And at those cases drones are irelevant. We know that there gona be lag in large scale battles, we r not complaining about lag. Hypocrisy is bad. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.09 17:14:00 - [698] Originally by: LUKEC Hypocrisy is bad. I said I (!!!!!) didnt c any drones. The only engagment i could fight was the videos I posted. On the rest I took part, node crashed, got killed after reloging. That happened 3-4 times. Lost 2 BSs that way. ----------------------------------
DeadDuck Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 17:21:00 - [699] Originally by: Zeveron Originally by: LUKEC Hypocrisy is bad. I said I (!!!!!) didnt c any drones. No you said that you didnt saw so much drones ... thats diferent. The fact is that nobody in this forums knows if the same thing that causes lag is the same the causes the node to crash. Using drones when we all know that the server is not in the greatest shape is bad, and thats all I have to say regarding this.
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.09 17:23:00 - [700] Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Zeveron Originally by: LUKEC Hypocrisy is bad. I said I (!!!!!) didnt c any drones. No you said that you didnt saw so much drones ... thats diferent. The fact is that nobody in this forums knows if the same thing that causes lag is the same the causes the node to crash. Using drones when we all know that the server is not in the greatest shape is bad, and thats all I have to say regarding this. can u pls explain how the heck can we use drones when jumping or warping? If I missing somthing here pls explain. ----------------------------------

Amthrianius Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 17:30:00 - [701] This is getting amusing now. ---------------
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 17:31:00 - [702] Edited by: LUKEC on 09/10/2006 17:32:02 Originally by: Zeveron Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Zeveron Originally by: LUKEC Hypocrisy is bad. I said I (!!!!!) didnt c any drones. No you said that you didnt saw so much drones ... thats diferent. The fact is that nobody in this forums knows if the same thing that causes lag is the same the causes the node to crash. Using drones when we all know that the server is not in the greatest shape is bad, and thats all I have to say regarding this. can u pls explain how the heck can we use drones when jumping or warping? If I missing somthing here pls explain. How many times did you jump in, actually? Occasions where you were PUSHED through are excluded. I belive that number is still less than 1. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 17:33:00 - [703] Originally by: Amthrianius This is getting amusing now. Omg the sig.... --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.09 17:38:00 - [704] Edited by: Zeveron on 09/10/2006 17:40:43 Originally by: LUKEC How many times did you jump in, actually? Occasions where you were PUSHED through are excluded. I belive that number is still less than 1. check ur killboard for the 2, the 1 i didnt got killed was at TCAG. The last kil in ur killboard may be the one you say u pushed us back. ----------------------------------
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 17:58:00 - [705] Originally by: Zeveron Edited by: Zeveron on 09/10/2006 17:40:43 Originally by: LUKEC How many times did you jump in, actually? Occasions where you were PUSHED through are excluded. I belive that number is still less than 1. check ur killboard for the 2, the 1 i didnt got killed was at TCAG. The last kil in ur killboard may be the one you say u pushed us back. So you are saying you didn't do any proper jump in since tcag(coda wars?)... Jumping 200ppl into 20 ... ok you jumped 1 time. Good i'm wrong. So that makes 1 time when you could not use drones Anyway i'm out with this discussion. Just don't complain about lag, it's same for everyone, and you (you = ASCN, POS, AXE) don't help with it. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.09 18:02:00 - [706] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Zeveron Edited by: Zeveron on 09/10/2006 17:40:43 Originally by: LUKEC How many times did you jump in, actually? Occasions where you were PUSHED through are excluded. I belive that number is still less than 1. check ur killboard for the 2, the 1 i didnt got killed was at TCAG. The last kil in ur killboard may be the one you say u pushed us back. So you are saying you didn't do any proper jump in since tcag(coda wars?)... Jumping 200ppl into 20 ... ok you jumped 1 time. Good i'm wrong. So that makes 1 time when you could not use drones Anyway i'm out with this discussion. Just don't complain about lag, it's same for everyone, and you (you = ASCN, POS, AXE) don't help with it. well I jumped 3 times, node crashed all the 3 times, I lost 2 BSs. Dont complaining about the losses, but I dont get ur point either. From my information everytime we tried to jump or warp a large fleet on u node crashed. The only exception was Saturday b4 dt. ----------------------------------
Don ZOLA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.10.09 18:08:00 - [707] Originally by: Magnus Thermopyle - "We are the best" - "You should all hold us in awe" - "We are slaughtering ASCN" - "We rule" - "We owns everyon" I wonder how long SirMolle will allow BoB members to make a fool out of themselves? lol cant believe bobbies didnt flame u back, seems they wouldnt like a possible little forum war to escalate into something bigger with LV :P and for the record : LUKEC doesnt honour 1vs1 TDG Recruitment
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 18:08:00 - [708] Originally by: Zeveron well I jumped 3 times, node crashed all the 3 times, I lost 2 BSs. Dont complaining about the losses, but I dont get ur point either. From my information everytime we tried to jump or warp a large fleet on u node crashed. The only exception was Saturday b4 dt. Node crashed, you were killed everytime and all i've seen was big black screen and silver sign entering game. Funny isn't it? I've never loaded anything untill you were all dead. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 18:12:00 - [709] Originally by: Don ZOLA and for the record : LUKEC doesnt honour 1vs1 I play eve with alt in the sleeve. Now when you quit, can i have your stuff? ps. arbenowskee & slapp say you **** --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Don ZOLA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.10.09 18:19:00 - [710] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Don ZOLA and for the record : LUKEC doesnt honour 1vs1 I play eve with alt in the sleeve. Now when you quit, can i have your stuff? ps. arbenowskee & slapp say you ** i can ** anymuch i want, say im worst player in eve no problems. but when i say something that means exactly that, ie i honour my word. capiche ? u can say whatever u want in this game whenever u want it, and i (and i guess many more who know that u dont honour ur word) will just scroll over ur posts... kktnxbye TDG Recruitment

LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 18:21:00 - [711] Edited by: LUKEC on 09/10/2006 18:21:24 Originally by: Don ZOLA i can **** anymuch i want, say im worst player in eve no problems. but when i say something that means exactly that, ie i honour my word. capiche ? u can say whatever u want in this game whenever u want it, and i (and i guess many more who know that u dont honour ur word) will just scroll over ur posts... kktnxbye Looks like you can't. @ stuff concerning LV: go nap someone with main / alt / your logging off grandmother. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 18:21:00 - [712] Originally by: Magnus Thermopyle - "We are the best" - "You should all hold us in awe" - "We are slaughtering ASCN" - "We rule" - "We owns everyon" I wonder how long SirMolle will allow BoB members to make a fool out of themselves? Big words forum boy, as you've never accomplished anything why not start with trying to keep us quiet?
Lord Draco Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 19:21:00 - [713] Edited by: Lord Draco on 09/10/2006 19:29:19 Originally by: Don ZOLA Originally by: Magnus Thermopyle - "We are the best" - "You should all hold us in awe" - "We are slaughtering ASCN" - "We rule" - "We owns everyon" I wonder how long SirMolle will allow BoB members to make a fool out of themselves? lol cant believe bobbies didnt flame u back, seems they wouldnt like a possible little forum war to escalate into something bigger with LV :P and for the record : LUKEC doesnt honour 1vs1 lol No its just we dealt with this retard back when he was in F-E and DICE was still ATUK. He's as clueless as they come. LV can look forward to this guy embarassing them plenty on the forums in the future
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.09 19:24:00 - [714] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Magnus Thermopyle - "We are the best" - "You should all hold us in awe" - "We are slaughtering ASCN" - "We rule" - "We owns everyon" I wonder how long SirMolle will allow BoB members to make a fool out of themselves? Big words forum boy, as you've never accomplished anything why not start with trying to keep us quiet? I'm curious. What exactly have you personally accomplished that he has not?
Kanae Minmatar Vogon Deconstruction Fleet Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 19:41:00 - [715] Edited by: Kanae on 09/10/2006 19:43:45 Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 09/10/2006 16:16:07 Originally by: Kanae Sad thing is that "relogging" before a battle is your best weapon. He who logs in the fastest wins and CCP's standard answer is to deny anything happend. "Reviewing the logs we see no issues at the time." Umm ya all 300 of us just logged off at the same time. I am not saying the results would be any differnt with a system that actually works it just sucks that CCP cant fix it and their GM's policy is deny/block petition. What's your point exactly? You think we crash nodes on purpose with logoffs(tbh what logoffs? ) ? Maybe you need to see clouds of drones 200km off gates to make you feel better,like sunshine in the morning? Well actually I was trying to say CCP response to the problem really sucks. Thier answer up until they ran one test last week was.... "Node crash? what crash I cant see in the logs where this happend" Only to get escalation of problems caused by the node crash blocked by "Fear" Sorry for all the "lag" arguements I caused I really have nothing to do with this conflict only saying system is horrible if your battle plans essential key componate is not stragity but rather how to deal with the node crash edit "logoff's" I reffered to is where the node crashes and everyone logs off but the GM's still state there was no server issue at the time
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 19:49:00 - [716] Originally by: Butter Dog I'm curious. What exactly have you personally accomplished that he has not? I don't play EvE as an individual, BD, I play it for my gang, my corp and my alliance.
Murukan Minmatar The Priory	Posted - 2006.10.09 20:19:00 - [717] How goes the siege? Have ascn been cleared out? Is the fight back in ascn space now? Hehe so many pages it's hard to sift out the good info. In rust we trust!!!
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 20:23:00 - [718] Originally by: Murukan How goes the siege? Have ascn been cleared out? Is the fight back in ascn space now? Hehe so many pages it's hard to sift out the good info. 2 large pos left (one reinforced, one is dieing as we speak). Large hostile gang in g-m. 1 hostile pos (untouched) in tcag. Raids are (and have been) continuing in ASCN space.
Endeva Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 20:32:00 - [719] Originally by: Magnus Thermopyle - "We are the best" - "You should all hold us in awe" - "We are slaughtering ASCN" - "We rule" - "We owns everyon" I wonder how long SirMolle will allow BoB members to make a fool out of themselves? r*rd in atuk time r*rd now.you didint change dude? go mine in detorid and chase some russians instead be docked and reading forums
Sir Erighan The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.09 20:43:00 - [720] Originally by: Murukan How goes the siege? Have ascn been cleared out? Is the fight back in ascn space now? Hehe so many pages it's hard to sift out the good info. We're still fighting in BoB space. TPAR and TCAG have seen most the action. We've taken heavy losses. BoB has taken losses as well. It's taking us a while to learn how to fight under the current game issues. Most fleet battles have not been battles at all, rather who wins the lag/relog wars. AAA, D2, BE and Solid Line are fighting against us in our home space. BoB drops better loot than ASCN BoB is not killing ASCN as much as ASCN is killing themselves. The current state of the game is beyond terrible.

Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.09 20:43:00 - [721] Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: Tadis Lot harder to defend against a dozen small roaming fleets with objectives and planned withdrawal strategies than it is a singular system. I know which I'd prefer to co-ordinate defence against anyhow ^^ You're assuming there's something to defend from small fleets. Large fleets can hurt your pos, small ones cannot. All they can achieve is resticting the freedom to travel, and that's easily dealt with if you are well organised isn't it ? And anyway, we're better at playing that game then they are, that's porbably why they came to TPAR in the first place. Indeed Rod, small fleets roaming around don't accomplish a whole lot...... but.... Hasn't ASCN been boasting of fleets up to 400 pilots strong? /emote does some arm-chair strategizing : Lets assume that ASCN actually has a balanced number of Capitals to go with that 400 man fleet ... a capital fleet of ~ 60 sounds appropriate. Instead of trying to setup one beach-head, ASCN could with those kind of numbers actually try to setup two beach-heads (Beach-head A and Beach-head B). Sure its a little more complicated logistically than dog-piling everybody into one location... but it forces BoB to make a decision.. split its forces, or fight off one of the attacks. Whichever decision BoB would take, there would be benefits... If BoB kept its forces in one location (Beach head A), then BoB is gonna absolutely come out ontop there. However at Beach-head B, ASCN forces would have free reign. If BoB splits their forces, this also has benefits, for starters there will be less lag... and also it makes the logistics of defending, that much harder, at the very least ASCN pilots might be able to activate their modules before crashing the nodes and achieve better BS kill ratios. As it stands ASCN is dog-piling everything into one area, in the hope that their vast numerical superiority will win them the day.... problem is that this strategy is catch-22. When ASCN take their big fleet somewhere, it unvariably crashes the node.... and this gives BoB the automatic advantage because they are intrinsically more organised. Having large numbers concentrated in a single location is not helping ASCN in the slightest.. infact it is fast becoming their achilles heel. Fact is ASCN can field bigger fleets than BoB and instead of using those numbers wisely they are being sent straight to the slaughter house again and again... Its sure fun to watch on the forums and for BoB, but it must be absolute hell for your regular ASCN pilot, waiting in gangs for hours and hours on end, only to end up crashing from the game and getting splattered all over Tpar before his screen loads up... It doesnt matter, how many BS ASCN can mass-produce... a (human) pilot can only bring himself to die pointlessly a limited number of times.. after the 6 or 7th time.. it will start to wear thin.
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 21:06:00 - [722] Originally by: Sir Erighan Originally by: Murukan How goes the siege? Have ascn been cleared out? Is the fight back in ascn space now? Hehe so many pages it's hard to sift out the good info. We're still fighting in BoB space. TPAR and TCAG have seen most the action. I hope you realise anyone in eve can come to our space and get slaughterd, it's not an achievement in any way.
Ria Sotori Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 21:17:00 - [723] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Murukan How goes the siege? Have ascn been cleared out? Is the fight back in ascn space now? Hehe so many pages it's hard to sift out the good info. 2 large pos left (one reinforced, one is dieing as we speak). Large hostile gang in g-m. 1 hostile pos (untouched) in tcag. Raids are (and have been) continuing in ASCN space. Just to add to Louisa's summary. I really dont have any complaints with the average ASCN pilot who actually shows up, is ready to fight and willing to die for there cause. Some of the moves the past week have showed testicular fortitude most alliances lack when facing b0b but poor follow through / execution. The FC's at first were of course willing to engage us close to 1-1 but now its gotten ridiculous. We can jump into a system. wave our hineys and wait for lag to clear and STILL The opposing FC's wont attack. 150-70 200-70 doesnt seem to matter. I swear it seems to me they want 4-5 to 1 before they think of a slugfest. Perhaps this is because of Cyvoks berating of your FC's for losing battles. Now there timid to commit ? dunno. but anyway as I said I always have respect for any pilot willing to die time and time again for there cause. I think if anything this was has proven to ASCN that teh blob is not the end all and be all solution to a battle. Before this, ASCN has been able to intimidate neighbors with numbers and station camping. That just doesnt work with b0b P.S. seems I am beginning to see the same faces over and over in my gunsights from the opposing side. If I were you I would take a long hard look at my fellow alliance members to see who is really sitting there next to you dying for your rights and beliefs.... and who is up in the safer zones mining and ratting and basically freeloading off your effort. androsix > GM: can you please enforce a truce while the rest of ASCN/AXE ships can log in
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 21:21:00 - [724] Originally by: Sir Erighan Originally by: Murukan How goes the siege? Have ascn been cleared out? Is the fight back in ascn space now? Hehe so many pages it's hard to sift out the good info. We're still fighting in BoB space. TPAR and TCAG have seen most the action. We've taken heavy losses. BoB has taken losses as well. It's taking us a while to learn how to fight under the current game issues. Most fleet battles have not been battles at all, rather who wins the lag/relog wars. AAA, D2, BE and Solid Line are fighting against us in our home space. BoB drops better loot than ASCN BoB is not killing ASCN as much as ASCN is killing themselves. The current state of the game is beyond terrible. We're still fighting in BoB space. --yep and its fun thanks TPAR and TCAG have seen most the action. -- not really just clearing up junk We've taken heavy losses. -- no doubt BoB has taken losses as well. -- sure I guess if you wanna call them losses It's taking us a while to learn how to fight under the current game issues. -- umm since when has the game been differnt. Its teh same its just well you are realizing now that blobs dont mean much. Most fleet battles have not been battles at all, rather who wins the lag/relog wars. -- not true we have beaten you up on the battlefeild palnety of times without the node crashing AAA, D2, BE and Solid Line are fighting against us in our home space. -- over commited ? BoB drops better loot than ASCN -- yeah we tend to do that. BoB is not killing ASCN as much as ASCN is killing themselves. -- This is by far the truest statment ever any ASCN member has posted about this war The current state of the game is beyond terrible. -- aye its not that bad when you think about how many we have everyday engaging on the same nodes.. but yeah it lags but its still playable. --------------------------------------------- Maybe we will win the war by getting every bob pilot banned from eve maybe.:/ --thebold
The Armin Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.09 21:26:00 - [725] Mmmm bobbits loot, they drop the bestest loot yarr :D /miss Fountain
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 21:29:00 - [726] Nez, I'm sure we wouldn't mind one bit if they tried that. committing their capital fleet sounds like something we would like to see happen I'd say. Old blog
WETRAIN Minmatar Solidline Enterprise	Posted - 2006.10.09 21:37:00 - [727] Originally by: Sir Erighan Originally by: Murukan Solid Line are fighting against us in our home space. ----------------------------------------- When People are Ready the Master will come. - Original by Anihilus-
Cmd Woodlouse Solidline Enterprise	Posted - 2006.10.09 21:43:00 - [728] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog I'm curious. What exactly have you personally accomplished that he has not? I don't play EvE as an individual, BD, I play it for my gang, my corp and my alliance. That still is no answer for this really valid question -------------------------------- Spain ftw!
zeitza ta Gallente Solidline Enterprise	Posted - 2006.10.09 21:46:00 - [729] i hope you are happy when we kill you !!! P.S. Cyvok i whant to kill your titan Even if you are the best you are going down, dont hope that you will survive for ever you dont have any chance when i'm there, be prepared when you see me
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2006.10.09 21:50:00 - [730] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog I'm curious. What exactly have you personally accomplished that he has not? I don't play EvE as an individual, BD, I play it for my gang, my corp and my alliance. That still is no answer for this really valid question Do you even know who Louisa Torres is? I'm guessing you don't otherwise you wouldn't come up with such a stupid reply. ------------------ WOTANKN > WOTAN-KN + BIZARRE= SIR MOLLE

ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 21:50:00 - [731] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog I'm curious. What exactly have you personally accomplished that he has not? I don't play EvE as an individual, BD, I play it for my gang, my corp and my alliance. That still is no answer for this really valid question yes it is.. Just cause we are differnt than you doesnt mean are answers dont hold the truth.. BoB are all about BoB and not about indivduals. You of all people should know this after our long history. BoB are differnt than anyone else. We accept that why cant you? --------------------------------------------- Maybe we will win the war by getting every bob pilot banned from eve maybe.:/ --thebold
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.09 21:52:00 - [732] Originally by: Bizarre Do you even know who Louisa Torres is? I'm guessing you don't otherwise you wouldn't come up with such a stupid reply. heh exactly the same thought went through my mind....that was a stupid reply Woodlouse..
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 22:16:00 - [733] I have a question for the guys saying that the only way we are getting kills is because of node crashes and relogging. Do you have first hand experience of this, or is this what your alliance mates are telling you? I know personally, I have been in constant fleet fights from the moment I login each day, till the moment I log out and yet I haven't seen a node crash during my timezone in a week and a half (I play during US/EU timezones on weekends as well). I have however seen lots of good battles and exploding ships. Yes, I have no doubt that some kills are happening after relogging. As one of the ASCN members said earlier, they have people logging back in an hour after the crash and then being suprised when they get ganked. But the majority of kills are happening in stand up fights, the people taking part in these fights know the truth whether it makes it as far as there alliance mates or not. Good fight to the guys in TCAG yesterday. But if you're going to go for close range, don't stop at 75, come in at 15. Been too long since a good close range slug fest. :)
Roxanna Kell Holy Jihad	Posted - 2006.10.09 22:24:00 - [734] Originally by: Tholarim Originally by: Sir Erighan Originally by: Murukan How goes the siege? Have ascn been cleared out? Is the fight back in ascn space now? Hehe so many pages it's hard to sift out the good info. We're still fighting in BoB space. TPAR and TCAG have seen most the action. I hope you realise anyone in eve can come to our space and get slaughterd, it's not an achievement in any way. you are talking to ASCN thol, they never leave their space (only few). G alliance after securing AZN didnt brag about it this much. Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 22:27:00 - [735] Edited by: Louisa Torres on 09/10/2006 22:27:36 Heh, I think u got your answer, Woodie ;)
Lone Bear Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 22:31:00 - [736] Originally by: zeitza ta i hope you are happy when we kill you !!! P.S. Cyvok i whant to kill your titan ♥ Zeit
VonKaplanek III Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.09 23:03:00 - [737] Real classy! Nothing but pages and pages filled with arrogant puke spewing trolls and their spin master alts talking to each other.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 23:04:00 - [738] Originally by: VonKaplanek III Real classy! Nothing but pages and pages filled with arrogant puke spewing trolls and their spin master alts talking to each other. I wish i could be clever as you Discussing moderation in your signature is bad. Don't do it- Tirg Imperial Academy is currently recruiting Paragol Soul residents
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 23:09:00 - [739] Originally by: VonKaplanek III Real classy! Nothing but pages and pages filled with arrogant puke spewing trolls and their spin master alts talking to each other. Our dreads are now finishing off your last POS in TPAR. That's, for those that are counting, number THIRTEEN. All the while your fleet is sat grooming each other in TCAG and outnumbering us by the usual 2:1. Bring it?
Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.09 23:22:00 - [740] Originally by: Ab Initio I have a question for the guys saying that the only way we are getting kills is because of node crashes and relogging. Do you have first hand experience of this, or is this what your alliance mates are telling you? not one of the guys saying it's the only way you get killed, but my node crash experience went like this... On Sunday, one of your gangs jumped in on us and i lost a Tempest. I managed to get my pod out to a POS, but before I could do anything else the node crashed. I tried to log back in immediately, but kept being met by a black screen. After about 5 mins trying, i did get back in and found myself warping back to a gate into the middle of a BoB gang. Although it didn't result in my pod being lost as I managed to warp out quickly, i can see why people logging back in BS are being picked off. I spent all morning configuring my client as well ans never got so muh as a lock on a target

Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.09 23:32:00 - [741] Originally by: Weebear Originally by: Ab Initio I have a question for the guys saying that the only way we are getting kills is because of node crashes and relogging. Do you have first hand experience of this, or is this what your alliance mates are telling you? not one of the guys saying it's the only way you get killed, but my node crash experience went like this... On Sunday, one of your gangs jumped in on us and i lost a Tempest. I managed to get my pod out to a POS, but before I could do anything else the node crashed. I tried to log back in immediately, but kept being met by a black screen. After about 5 mins trying, i did get back in and found myself warping back to a gate into the middle of a BoB gang. Although it didn't result in my pod being lost as I managed to warp out quickly, i can see why people logging back in BS are being picked off. I spent all morning configuring my client as well ans never got so muh as a lock on a target Sounds like u experience what most of bob ppl also do.. thing is after a node crash no one really knows where excatly u are if u for example just came out of warp and the node crash u prolly end up at the spot u where before warping. happens all the time.. ohh and some times ppl manage to stop there warp when logging back in sometimes not... but i usually just spam CTRL space. snip Don't be nasty [email protected] to discuss mod - Cathath i am not nasty
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.10 00:06:00 - [742] Is it possible to, when node crashes, log back and when in warp logoff again? Would that not, next time you log, leave you where you logged for tha last time and not in the middle of the camp? Or there is not even time for that? My knowledge of the mechanics of the game is limited, and dunno if I made myself clear.
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 00:10:00 - [743] Originally by: Rikeka Is it possible to, when node crashes, log back and when in warp logoff again? Would that not, next time you log, leave you where you logged for tha last time and not in the middle of the camp? Or there is not even time for that? My knowledge of the mechanics of the game is limited, and dunno if I made myself clear. Borderline exploit that one, I think.
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.10 00:14:00 - [744] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: VonKaplanek III Real classy! Nothing but pages and pages filled with arrogant puke spewing trolls and their spin master alts talking to each other. Our dreads are now finishing off your last POS in TPAR. That's, for those that are counting, number THIRTEEN. All the while your fleet is sat grooming each other in TCAG and outnumbering us by the usual 2:1. Bring it? if that info is correct then cyvok will have to reevaluate his beachhead invasion. After losing 13 towers, 350 bs, far more support and a handfull of capital ships his invasion fleet is on the backfoot. Frontline supply depots are empty (atleast if it comes to battleships) and the idea to tie bob down in its own home doesnt seem to work either judging from their lightning raids deep into feythabolis and other ascn regions. One might ask how far Cyvok will go with this operation where it gets obvious its a matter of either losing face by calling it off and admitting it was a failure or sending more troops into the meatgrinder of delve in the vain hope to get miraculously the upperhand? Unless the US timezone Ascn fleet makes a difference the tpar invasion seems to end with bob 1 : Ascn 0.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 00:27:00 - [745] Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: VonKaplanek III Real classy! Nothing but pages and pages filled with arrogant puke spewing trolls and their spin master alts talking to each other. Our dreads are now finishing off your last POS in TPAR. That's, for those that are counting, number THIRTEEN. All the while your fleet is sat grooming each other in TCAG and outnumbering us by the usual 2:1. Bring it? if that info is correct then cyvok will have to reevaluate his beachhead invasion. After losing 13 towers, 350 bs, far more support and a handfull of capital ships his invasion fleet is on the backfoot. Frontline supply depots are empty (atleast if it comes to battleships) and the idea to tie bob down in its own home doesnt seem to work either judging from their lightning raids deep into feythabolis and other ascn regions. One might ask how far Cyvok will go with this operation where it gets obvious its a matter of either losing face by calling it off and admitting it was a failure or sending more troops into the meatgrinder of delve in the vain hope to get miraculously the upperhand? Unless the US timezone Ascn fleet makes a difference the tpar invasion seems to end with bob 1 : Ascn 0. Job is complete. They can throw themselves at us like this from now until christmas and we'll be very happy indeed. Eve Blacklight Style
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 01:37:00 - [746] Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: VonKaplanek III Real classy! Nothing but pages and pages filled with arrogant puke spewing trolls and their spin master alts talking to each other. Our dreads are now finishing off your last POS in TPAR. That's, for those that are counting, number THIRTEEN. All the while your fleet is sat grooming each other in TCAG and outnumbering us by the usual 2:1. Bring it? if that info is correct then cyvok will have to reevaluate his beachhead invasion. After losing 13 towers, 350 bs, far more support and a handfull of capital ships his invasion fleet is on the backfoot. Frontline supply depots are empty (atleast if it comes to battleships) and the idea to tie bob down in its own home doesnt seem to work either judging from their lightning raids deep into feythabolis and other ascn regions. One might ask how far Cyvok will go with this operation where it gets obvious its a matter of either losing face by calling it off and admitting it was a failure or sending more troops into the meatgrinder of delve in the vain hope to get miraculously the upperhand? Unless the US timezone Ascn fleet makes a difference the tpar invasion seems to end with bob 1 : Ascn 0. The TPAR-G siege was only the warmup round. We're all stretched and ready now. Let's get it on ASCN! >>> EvE Online Wallpapers <<<
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 02:06:00 - [747] Originally by: HostageTaker The TPAR-G siege was only the warmup round. We're all stretched and ready now. Let's get it on ASCN! Errm ... NO! As the well informed Third party analyists of this war who know more than we do , our industrial back grounds is bad and we lose a lot of T2 stuff that we cant replace so i think we are totaly drained i am afraid that the ebil hobbits plan has worked The next few days the KBs will show some real overseas carnage "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 02:12:00 - [748] Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen The sole purpose of such a propaganda machine is to demoralise the enemy. Time will tell if it works - It seems to have served BoB well in the past though. I hear someone say something this in pretty much every bob thread always followed by some antibob bs. I guess my question is how is a bob member talking about the facts that occured so far propaganda and people such as yourself comming on this thread (who arent even involved) not propaganda? Bob has invact successfully put a halt to the ASCN attempted siege of TPAR to this point and bob has routed ASCN in terms of kills and losses so far. Those statements arent manipulated in any way. It is what happend. How is stating what happend propaganda or arrogence? Have any of you antibob folks who come on here spewing crap like that considered that you might be the ones bending the truth and spewing propaganda?
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.10.10 02:14:00 - [749] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen The sole purpose of such a propaganda machine is to demoralise the enemy. Time will tell if it works - It seems to have served BoB well in the past though. I hear someone say something this in pretty much every bob thread always followed by some antibob bs. I guess my question is how is a bob member talking about the facts that occured so far propaganda and people such as yourself comming on this thread (who arent even involved) not propaganda? Bob has invact successfully put a halt to the ASCN attempted siege of TPAR to this point and bob has routed ASCN in terms of kills and losses so far. Those statements arent manipulated in any way. It is what happend. How is stating what happend propaganda or arrogence? Have any of you antibob folks who come on here spewing crap like that considered that you might be the ones bending the truth and spewing propaganda? I think its generally agreed that your alliance does it and does it very well persh. Digi is a complete pro, he should be a journalist for the Sun or the Mirror tbh. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 03:44:00 - [750] Originally by: welsh wizard I think its generally agreed that your alliance does it and does it very well persh. Its only agreed upon by a vocal group of people who hate bob to begin with. This thread is a perfect example. Bob stating facts = propaganda. Random person who already hates bob makes a smart ass comment and its truth? I dont think so. All objectivity from the anti-bob squad has been lost. It is indeed a fact not propaganda that ASCN's conquests in TPAR have been a failure in every way. They took heavy losses and did not complete their objectives. When you guys try and claim that is all propaganda it just makes you guys lose all credibility. My point being that if smacktalking bob is what floats your boat you guys should consider picking your spots better. You just say the same thing over and over. "its all propaganda" does not apply in every situation. There really is some asskicking going on here.

tbow10 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 03:50:00 - [751] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: welsh wizard I think its generally agreed that your alliance does it and does it very well persh. Its only agreed upon by a vocal group of people who hate bob to begin with. This thread is a perfect example. Bob stating facts = propaganda. Random person who already hates bob makes a smart ass comment and its truth? I dont think so. All objectivity from the anti-bob squad has been lost. It is indeed a fact not propaganda that ASCN's conquests in TPAR have been a failure in every way. They took heavy losses and did not complete their objectives. When you guys try and claim that is all propaganda it just makes you guys lose all credibility. My point being that if smacktalking bob is what floats your boat you guys should consider picking your spots better. You just say the same thing over and over. "its all propaganda" does not apply in every situation. There really is some asskicking going on here. go pershphanie go
Endeva Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 03:51:00 - [752] Originally by: The Armin Mmmm bobbits loot, they drop the bestest loot yarr :D /miss Fountain i love n00bies like you dude you are involved in 8 BOB kills and you know what we drop? 0 solo kills http://www.killboard.net/?p=pilot&n=The%20Armin&sp=kills grow up and come to delve till then stay away from forums
Snare Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.10 03:55:00 - [753] Originally by: Endeva i love n00bies like you dude you are involved in 8 BOB kills and you know what we drop? 0 solo kills http://www.killboard.net/?p=pilot&n=The%20Armin&sp=kills grow up and come to delve till then stay away from forums 8 ships = 8 drops. he must know what someone dropped
Robet Katrix Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.10.10 03:55:00 - [754] It's not that BOB states facts, its how you state those facts that makes it propoganda. when you say we have killed 350 BS and suffered almsot no losses... it is true. but those losses are being played down and may be in fact more significant than they are led to be. BOB may say that they have totally won in TPAR, that is propoganda. you have won, but you have done so on your own soil. anything that is not 100% impartial can be characterized as propoganda.
Roxanna Kell Holy Jihad	Posted - 2006.10.10 04:07:00 - [755] Originally by: Snare Originally by: Endeva i love n00bies like you dude you are involved in 8 BOB kills and you know what we drop? 0 solo kills http://www.killboard.net/?p=pilot&n=The%20Armin&sp=kills grow up and come to delve till then stay away from forums 8 ships = 8 drops. he must know what someone dropped dude dont do that, SHa kharn is a well respected corp, dont bring it down with the rest of ascn. please. Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 04:12:00 - [756] Originally by: Robet Katrix It's not that BOB states facts, its how you state those facts that makes it propoganda. when you say we have killed 350 BS and suffered almsot no losses... it is true. but those losses are being played down and may be in fact more significant than they are led to be. BOB may say that they have totally won in TPAR, that is propoganda. you have won, but you have done so on your own soil. anything that is not 100% impartial can be characterized as propoganda. The statements a lot of BoB make on these forums are not diplomatic, they aren't sugar coated but they are based on publicly available data. You only need to look as far as the "BoB vs ASCN" thread to see that completely factual information can come from a BoB member, and be called propaganda. The next day we see the same stats in an EVE Tribune write up, and suddenly our enemies don't have a problem with it. Originally by: Eve Tribune "On Sunday, BoB forces were again mostly undisturbed, taking only three losses and causing 88 Battleship losses on ASCN side. As I said in the other thread, "mostly undisturbed" might be a little more diplomatic than "busy slaughtering", but is either one less true?
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 04:37:00 - [757] Edited by: pershphanie on 10/10/2006 04:37:53 Originally by: Robet Katrix It's not that BOB states facts, its how you state those facts that makes it propoganda. when you say we have killed 350 BS and suffered almsot no losses... it is true. but those losses are being played down and may be in fact more significant than they are led to be. I dont really pay attention to stats that much but when one side loses over 300 and the other loses under 30 its not playing down the losses. losing 30 bs's compared to 300 bs's + 13 large pos's really is insignificant. Bob made no excuses for their losses. The other side has written pages of excuses trying to explain away their losses. And yet the bob haters say we are the ones spreading propaganda. I dont think so. Originally by: Robet Katrix BOB may say that they have totally won in TPAR, that is propoganda. you have won, but you have done so on your own soil. So in your opinion we have won in TPAR but if we say we have been successfull in TPAR its propaganda? Sorry. Not buying that. Im not sure what you mean by "you have won, but you have done so on your own soil". No one in bob is claiming that we have already won the war. Can you not be victorious in a battle defending no matter what level of success youve had? Originally by: Robet Katrix anything that is not 100% impartial can be characterized as propoganda. Yet no one comes here accusing ASCN of spreading propaganda when they make 10000 excuses for why they are losing ships and pos's at such a high rate. This happens in every bob thread. This one being the perfect example. We state facts, the other side gives excuses, then a bunch of knuckleheads say we are the ones spreading propaganda. You might want to rethink the situation to make sure you are not the ones falling for propaganda. By your definition anyone vocalizing an opinion about something that they are involved with is spreading propaganda. For now lets accept that as fact. If that is true than why is it when bob states facts you consider it propaganda but when others who lose to us present excuses the antibob crowd view them as truth? The only explination is that you are the ones buying into the propaganda.
pxmars Caldari Dragon's Rage Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.10 04:49:00 - [758] Edited by: pxmars on 10/10/2006 04:53:52 I would like to say thanks to bob... You are teaching me and my fellow ascn to be better fighters. It might cost me a bs a day for a month but it will be well worth it. Your training us to be a pvp alliace. I wish you all the best of luck and Will see ya around /pxmars polishing new scorpion
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 05:01:00 - [759] Originally by: pxmars Edited by: pxmars on 10/10/2006 04:53:52 I would like to say thanks to bob... You are teaching me and my fellow ascn to be better fighters. It might cost me a bs a day for a month but it will be well worth it. Your training us to be a pvp alliace. I wish you all the best of luck and Will see ya around /pxmars polishing new scorpion Theres a rarely a fight without opportunity to learn and improve for both sides. The more people that realise this, and use it as an opportunity to improve, the more fun both sides have.
pxmars Caldari Dragon's Rage Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.10 05:16:00 - [760] Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: pxmars Edited by: pxmars on 10/10/2006 04:53:52 I would like to say thanks to bob... You are teaching me and my fellow ascn to be better fighters. It might cost me a bs a day for a month but it will be well worth it. Your training us to be a pvp alliace. I wish you all the best of luck and Will see ya around /pxmars polishing new scorpion Theres a rarely a fight without opportunity to learn and improve for both sides. The more people that realise this, and use it as an opportunity to improve, the more fun both sides have. Lesson 1. Run!! when ALL the pretty red ships start flashing lesson 2. Dont forget lesson 1!

pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 05:20:00 - [761] Originally by: pxmars Edited by: pxmars on 10/10/2006 04:53:52 I would like to say thanks to bob... You are teaching me and my fellow ascn to be better fighters. It might cost me a bs a day for a month but it will be well worth it. Your training us to be a pvp alliace. I wish you all the best of luck and Will see ya around /pxmars polishing new scorpion There is only one way to become great at alliance warfare. Fight someone else great at it and learn from it. Your attitude will get you there fast.
Guildless Gwynn	Posted - 2006.10.10 05:45:00 - [762] Edited by: Guildless Gwynn on 10/10/2006 05:45:30 So whats up with the declaration that: The ASCN corp that has the highest number of non-participators will get kicked out of ASCN? Thats a little harsh there.
Depp Knight Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 05:47:00 - [763] I want to know how many ships have you guys petitioned because of lag? IÆve lost 2 ships due to lag and have petition zero. Lag is apart of the game, we all play on the same node just some people have less luck than others. Point is, Lag is an issue yes! But lag is not the issue in this war.
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2006.10.10 05:50:00 - [764] Originally by: Guildless Gwynn Edited by: Guildless Gwynn on 10/10/2006 05:45:30 So whats up with the declaration that: The ASCN corp that has the highest number of non-participators will get kicked out of ASCN? Thats a little harsh there. hail cryvok
Hectic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 06:21:00 - [765] Originally by: pxmars Edited by: pxmars on 10/10/2006 04:53:52 I would like to say thanks to bob... You are teaching me and my fellow ascn to be better fighters. It might cost me a bs a day for a month but it will be well worth it. Your training us to be a pvp alliace. I wish you all the best of luck and Will see ya around /pxmars polishing new scorpion Pure class! I like you. WELCOME BACK MGRL!
Keldon Pax	Posted - 2006.10.10 06:48:00 - [766] BOB dudes..Yep I am one of the noobies type PVPers that died..So now I have gone to covert-ops..and man the things I have see at the tpar gate the last few days is a real eye openner. The tatics that I have seen you guys use are great. I hope to get to be able to employ some of your tatics one day..cheers Your most devoted student. keldon
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 07:22:00 - [767] Originally by: pxmars Edited by: pxmars on 10/10/2006 04:53:52 I would like to say thanks to bob... You are teaching me and my fellow ascn to be better fighters. It might cost me a bs a day for a month but it will be well worth it. Your training us to be a pvp alliace. I wish you all the best of luck and Will see ya around /pxmars polishing new scorpion Finaly someone understand whats this whole thing is all about , Respect and right back at ya m8 "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 07:57:00 - [768] Originally by: VonKaplanek III Real classy! Nothing but pages and pages filled with arrogant puke spewing trolls and their spin master alts talking to each other. That's quite amusing actually. The only difference between us and ASCN is that we are happy to put our balls on display in a public forum. ASCN will just get thier propaganda recieved daily straight into their inbox from their leader, cyvok. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Latex Mistress Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.10 08:50:00 - [769] Originally by: Robet Katrix anything that is not 100% impartial can be characterized as propoganda. Not taking issue with the rest of your post, but surely you cannot believe what you wrote here. A "100% impartial" entity in EvE? Unlikely. I think the best you could hope for would be a statistical representation of what really happened, and that's not even possible. Until EvE has a server-based killboard (never) that ties into the map all you're ever going to get is inherently-biased subjective opinions. But ask yourself this: would even a server-populated KB run by/for/of CCP stop the propaganda train? My experience says not. It's necessary more for themselves than anyone else (if you follow where I'm going). Most large corps/alliances have forum warriors that relish in stirring up the garbage... prevents the mass exodus that occurs in the face of hard times. It's not that anyone specifically says "go and do this" as much as a few passionate people that love the game and their corp/alliance. When they see what they love as being threatened, they're willing to do/say anything to mitigate the threat. I applaud their effort, but not their judgement. It's largely a maturity issue, and one to be expected in a MMORPG. And before anybody wants to get all up in my kool-aid without knowing the flavour... I mention no names: no corp, no alliance, no pilot. The forum wars and propaganda are a part of EvE, and so long as you recognize it, your gaming experience will be better for it. LM Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
Unbeliever Kresmoreen Communist Vikings Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.10 09:11:00 - [770] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen The sole purpose of such a propaganda machine is to demoralise the enemy. Time will tell if it works - It seems to have served BoB well in the past though. I hear someone say something this in pretty much every bob thread always followed by some antibob bs. I guess my question is how is a bob member talking about the facts that occured so far propaganda and people such as yourself comming on this thread (who arent even involved) not propaganda? Bob has invact successfully put a halt to the ASCN attempted siege of TPAR to this point and bob has routed ASCN in terms of kills and losses so far. Those statements arent manipulated in any way. It is what happend. How is stating what happend propaganda or arrogence? Have any of you antibob folks who come on here spewing crap like that considered that you might be the ones bending the truth and spewing propaganda? Hm. Where in that post did i indicate any anti bob sentiments? I used the word propaganda - BOTH sides use an information engine on the forums to further their war efforts. If you read and understood the rest of my post, you'll note i said BoB gets results, to back up their claims. But as someone else said, information from any but an impartial viewpoint is in some aspects propaganda. I wasn't meaning there is no truth to BoB announcements - But theres a lot of posturing/to and fro'ing going on between both sides. I get the feeling that after this long bobbits see any key words/phrases 'propaganda' 'arrogance' and simply see red, without really trying to see the content or intent of the post further. You'll also note i said most of the 'arrogance' is a front - i.e. not real, simply another mechanism of the forum wars that go on. Though tbh i think most of us have a healthy dose of arrogance/pride in our abilities. My take on the war is simple (and probably wrong, but eh, its entertaining to speculate). With the new areas opening up, securing more of existing space makes a lot of sense. When the time comes, BoB will be left with yet another region or two, whilst the displaced alliances scrabble for the newly accessible zones. Just an outsiders guess, but it makes sense to me

The Armin Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.10 09:23:00 - [771] Edited by: The Armin on 10/10/2006 09:26:10 Originally by: Endeva i love n00bies like you.. The luvv I can feel it ! Linking to killboards isn't allowed so remove it before the post gets modded mate (; Originally by: Endeva grow up and come to delve till then stay away from forums d00d, Check your kb again (; Been there done that, and had to podjump to empire without instas :( (I made it too :p) And why so mean ?
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 09:25:00 - [772] Originally by: The Armin Originally by: Endeva i love n00bies like you.. The luvv I can feel it ! Linking to killboards isn't allowed so remove it before the post gets modded mate (; Originally by: Endeva grow up and come to delve till then stay away from forums d00d, Check your kb again (; Been there done that, and had to podjump to empire without instas :( (I made it too :p) u are a real hero. u can mod the forum and fly a pod. snip Don't be nasty [email protected] to discuss mod - Cathath i am not nasty
The Armin Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.10 09:29:00 - [773] Originally by: Sir JoJo .. If I could mod I'd ban both ASCN and BoB
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 10:05:00 - [774] Originally by: The Armin Originally by: Sir JoJo .. If I could mod I'd ban both ASCN and BoB Excuse my friends, come get some more loot any time, loot don't drop on forums you know Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.10 10:49:00 - [775] Here are some observations I made during the fight at TPAR/TCAG. Node crashes every time both fleets are on the oposite side of 1 gate. Node dont crahes if 1 side jumping in and the oposite side of the gate is clear. Node dont crashes if the gate is camped by 1 side and reinforcments of the same side are jumping in. Thats a fact and I can prove it. What follows is speculation and I cannot prove it unless our oponents dont denny it. When both fleets are on the oposite side of the same gate and ASCN hits the jump button, BoB ctrl-q and insta log again. When BoB jumps in and ASCN is camping the gate, BoB hit the jump button and ctrl-q and insta log again. In both cases the node crashes and BoB are in the game again b4 ASCN realize that the node crashed. Again this is just speculation, I cannot prove it but id this is the case its just lame (although not an exploit or anything), just lame. ----------------------------------
Chewan Mesa Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.10.10 11:00:00 - [776] Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 10/10/2006 11:00:28 If BoB knows that when they jump into your camp the node crashes and prepare to log back in asap...and you know that the node crashes when BoB jump in...why dont you prepare to log back in asap?
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 11:06:00 - [777] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 10/10/2006 11:06:39 Originally by: Zeveron Here are some observations I made during the fight at TPAR/TCAG. Node crashes every time both fleets are on the oposite side of 1 gate. Node dont crahes if 1 side jumping in and the oposite side of the gate is clear. Node dont crashes if the gate is camped by 1 side and reinforcments of the same side are jumping in. Thats a fact and I can prove it. What follows is speculation and I cannot prove it unless our oponents dont denny it. When both fleets are on the oposite side of the same gate and ASCN hits the jump button, BoB ctrl-q and insta log again. When BoB jumps in and ASCN is camping the gate, BoB hit the jump button and ctrl-q and insta log again. In both cases the node crashes and BoB are in the game again b4 ASCN realize that the node crashed. Again this is just speculation, I cannot prove it but id this is the case its just lame (although not an exploit or anything), just lame. We'll make sure to be monitoring your TS in case you decide to actually put this idea of yours to practice. As far as BoB is concerned you can simply stop making up fancy fanboy stories because we do not exploit, period. Try blaming your own inaptitude and lack of knowledge for your losses. We don't need to cheat to get an advantage. Old blog
OriaZ Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 11:07:00 - [778] Originally by: Zeveron Here are some observations I made during the fight at TPAR/TCAG. Node crashes every time both fleets are on the oposite side of 1 gate. Node dont crahes if 1 side jumping in and the oposite side of the gate is clear. Node dont crashes if the gate is camped by 1 side and reinforcments of the same side are jumping in. Thats a fact and I can prove it. What follows is speculation and I cannot prove it unless our oponents dont denny it. When both fleets are on the oposite side of the same gate and ASCN hits the jump button, BoB ctrl-q and insta log again. When BoB jumps in and ASCN is camping the gate, BoB hit the jump button and ctrl-q and insta log again. In both cases the node crashes and BoB are in the game again b4 ASCN realize that the node crashed. Again this is just speculation, I cannot prove it but id this is the case its just lame (although not an exploit or anything), just lame. Comon man, you can't be serious. Don't tell me you actually believe what you are saying ? We have never pressed CTRL+Q. The node crashes and we get logged off. It's the same for ASCN as for BOB. We then log back in. Get a loading screen for a while, and appear somewhere in space (totally random), be it a POS, the gate you warped from, or the gate you were warping to. Everytime we have been camping a gate or jumping in to a system we were expecting to GET A FIGHT, not to crash the node. BOB is here to have fun and get fights, not to crash the nodes. I don't want to flame ASCN again on this subject but it's not BOB leadership who said we would force the node to crash if necessary to save our Stations. Black Nova Corp French Wing BOB Caldari Alliance Championship Winners
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 11:16:00 - [779] Originally by: Zeveron Here are some observations I made during the fight at TPAR/TCAG. Node crashes every time both fleets are on the oposite side of 1 gate. Node dont crahes if 1 side jumping in and the oposite side of the gate is clear. Node dont crashes if the gate is camped by 1 side and reinforcments of the same side are jumping in. Thats a fact and I can prove it. What follows is speculation and I cannot prove it unless our oponents dont denny it. When both fleets are on the oposite side of the same gate and ASCN hits the jump button, BoB ctrl-q and insta log again. When BoB jumps in and ASCN is camping the gate, BoB hit the jump button and ctrl-q and insta log again. In both cases the node crashes and BoB are in the game again b4 ASCN realize that the node crashed. Again this is just speculation, I cannot prove it but id this is the case its just lame (although not an exploit or anything), just lame. Absolute lies.
SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 11:22:00 - [780] The TPAR siege is broken. All 13 hostile POS are dead, numerous fleets have been annihilated. It took 4 days to clean up the hostile fleets, and the hostile POS, and in the process, some 400 bships were downed, along with numerous capitals, and endless supports. To quote ASCN's own fleetleaders; Quote: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Liverpool, U.K. Posts: 2,303 Send a message via MSN to [EDF] John McCreedy What happend to the 100 man fleet I ordered into there today? That one died as well as the others.

Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.10 11:28:00 - [781] Originally by: SirMolle The TPAR siege is broken. All 13 hostile POS are dead, numerous fleets have been annihilated. It took 4 days to clean up the hostile fleets, and the hostile POS, and in the process, some 400 bships were downed, along with numerous capitals, and endless supports. To quote ASCN's own fleetleaders; Quote: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Liverpool, U.K. Posts: 2,303 Send a message via MSN to [EDF] John McCreedy What happend to the 100 man fleet I ordered into there today? That one died as well as the others. Nice, they dont even know what happens with their fleets! ------------------ Save Deimos!
Loka Gallente adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.10 11:30:00 - [782] I hate the spygame you have to play in EVE :( _________________________ Noob In Action - [NIA]
Tassadar Beta Amarr BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.10 11:30:00 - [783] I did fight BoB for a very long time and I still do occasionally and while tough to fight I never felt like they would exploit like this sometimes i got frustrated but what I am reading from ASCN and what the contacts I have in ASCN are saying and telling what is going on is unbelievable. If you cant beat them give up no-one is going to believe you when you say BoB are exploiting you will just get labeled as whiners.
Lord Draco Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 12:03:00 - [784] Edited by: Lord Draco on 10/10/2006 12:10:04 Originally by: Zeveron When both fleets are on the oposite side of the same gate and ASCN hits the jump button, BoB ctrl-q and insta log again. When BoB jumps in and ASCN is camping the gate, BoB hit the jump button and ctrl-q and insta log again. err, no I'm starting to feel bad for the rank&file of the opposing side. They are getting outright lies told to them by certain leaders. It's no seceret that these communications leak back to us. It's not the spies or lag or any other excuses that they can come up with to explain it. Both sides have spies, both sides have lag. It is how you deal with adverseries that dictates the winner. A lot of us had pilots/alts and such docked in tpar when you started the siege. Some of us got complacent, so thank you for snappinbg us back into shape.
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.10 12:20:00 - [785] Edited by: Zeveron on 10/10/2006 12:22:41 Originally by: Lord Draco Edited by: Lord Draco on 10/10/2006 12:10:04 Originally by: Zeveron When both fleets are on the oposite side of the same gate and ASCN hits the jump button, BoB ctrl-q and insta log again. When BoB jumps in and ASCN is camping the gate, BoB hit the jump button and ctrl-q and insta log again. err, no I'm starting to feel bad for the rank&file of the opposing side. They are getting outright lies told to them by certain leaders. It's no seceret that these communications leak back to us. It's not the spies or lag or any other excuses that they can come up with to explain it. Both sides have spies, both sides have lag. It is how you deal with adverseries that dictates the winner. A lot of us had pilots/alts and such docked in tpar when you started the siege. Some of us got complacent, so thank you for snappinbg us back into shape. Ok maybe I am wrong, and btw I am posting here my observations, no1 told me anything. I am just tiered of login in after a node crash, just to find out 40 enemies waiting to gang me at the gate. And btw, I am using a 2nd cpu to log back in, with cleared cache and I am login in directly after the node crashes. Well maybe I am just unlucky and allways the last in the login queue :-) The main problem here is not BoB or ASCN or AXE or POS or whoever. The problem is to force CCP to fix the ammount of data transfered from and to each client which gona stabilize the node performance. Whatever c u all in space :-) ----------------------------------
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 12:39:00 - [786] Zeveron, if I were you I'd go ask John McCreedy about how to exploit, apparently he has all the answers.
Lord Draco Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 12:40:00 - [787] Is John Mccreedy insane? Seriously
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 12:41:00 - [788] Edited by: LUKEC on 10/10/2006 12:45:09 McGreedy's delusions of capital proportions... --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 12:49:00 - [789] The fanboi crap is getting thick. The thing that absolutely stuns me is that there are morons that believe that BoB can use our leet sploit powers to crash a node. What BoB Fleet Commanders have is "experience". When their experience tells them that a node crash might happen (for example, when two large fleets engage), they make sure they are ready for it, and that their fleet members have been told how to react (In the case of recent action around TPAR, that meant telling folks to log back in).
KIATolon Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.10 13:01:00 - [790] Originally by: OriaZ We have never pressed CTRL+Q. Y9G, you ctrl+q'd through a bubble camp and were happy to admit it in local. Something about "BoB do whatever it takes, and never give up", just before you lost 2 or 3 fleets in a row (although you did kill an incurses), before giving up.

OriaZ Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 13:08:00 - [791] Originally by: KIATolon Y9G, you ctrl+q'd through a bubble camp and were happy to admit it in local. Something about "BoB do whatever it takes, and never give up", just before you lost 2 or 3 fleets in a row (although you did kill an incurses), before giving up. Hello Tolon, joined the ASCN fanboy club ? or the BOB hating friends ? ... I was obviously replying to Zeveron's post about TPAR/TCAG engagements and node crashes and him saying we CTRL+Q because we knew the node would crash in order to log back in faster. So excuse me if you have understood my reply as being referred to BOB actions from every engagement we had since BOB exists. Thank you. Black Nova Corp French Wing BOB Caldari Alliance Championship Winners

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