If something like this ever existed it would need a gigantic penalty that prevented abuse. For instance you do a full SP remap, you permanently lose 20% of your SP. So if you remap a 10m SP character it becomes a 8m SP char. If you do it again, it's a 6.4m character.

New players could essentially do it inconsequentially, but min maxers could probably only do it once or twice before throwing away too many months or years of training.

And why exactly would there be a need for penaltys if its equal to all? Skillpoints are already trained, and time waited, aint that penalty enough?

If something like this ever existed it would need a gigantic penalty that prevented abuse. For instance you do a full SP remap, you permanently lose 20% of your SP. So if you remap a 10m SP character it becomes a 8m SP char. If you do it again, it's a 6.4m character.

New players could essentially do it inconsequentially, but min maxers could probably only do it once or twice before throwing away too many months or years of training.

Not sure I understand what you mean. What is the penalty?

Wow Wow please don't judge that heavy.

Sound's more like punishment vs penalties. Loosing SP's due to remap? It's a vad joke mate. I have already paid for that when bought skill books and PLEX. It's my property now.

Not an attribute remap. A skill remap as the OP is asking about. i.e. let's say you're a heavily invested miner now with 50m sp and you want to become an OGB for some reason.

Not an attribute remap. A skill remap as the OP is asking about. i.e. let's say you're a heavily invested miner now with 50m sp and you want to become an OGB for some reason.

I was not talking about atributes. So why should i lose out of my 50m sp? Any solid reason?

There really is no reason, but there's no reason to let everyone reskill constantly either. It would absolutely break the game if implemented without limits or downsides.

I have enough SP to fly an Ishtar. But I didn't train into one. Now imagine everyone with the SP to fly whatever the flavor of the month ship was just respecced into it every balance patch.

Or you shoot a miner, he docks up and respecs into perfect T3 skills and kills you, then respecs back into mining directly after. It sounds like impulse chaos.

I have enough SP to fly an Ishtar. But I didn't train into one. Now imagine everyone with the SP to fly whatever the flavor of the month ship was just respecced into it every balance patch. Or you shoot a miner, he docks up and respecs into perfect T3 skills and kills you, then respecs back into mining directly after. It sounds likeimpulse chaos.

I have enough SP to fly an Ishtar. But I didn't train into one. Now imagine everyone with the SP to fly whatever the flavor of the month ship was just respecced into it every balance patch. Or you shoot a miner, he docks up and respecs into perfect T3 skills and kills you, then respecs back into mining directly after. It sounds likeimpulse chaos.

I have enough SP to fly an Ishtar. But I didn't train into one. Now imagine everyone with the SP to fly whatever the flavor of the month ship was just respecced into it every balance patch. Or you shoot a miner, he docks up and respecs into perfect T3 skills and kills you, then respecs back into mining directly after. It sounds likeimpulse chaos.

I have enough SP to fly an Ishtar. But I didn't train into one. Now imagine everyone with the SP to fly whatever the flavor of the month ship was just respecced into it every balance patch. Or you shoot a miner, he docks up and respecs into perfect T3 skills and kills you, then respecs back into mining directly after. It sounds likeimpulse chaos.

Buying skills points is a bad idea, and wll most likly cause another jita riot.

I have enough SP to fly an Ishtar. But I didn't train into one. Now imagine everyone with the SP to fly whatever the flavor of the month ship was just respecced into it every balance patch. Or you shoot a miner, he docks up and respecs into perfect T3 skills and kills you, then respecs back into mining directly after. It sounds likeimpulse chaos.

Massive thread, admittedly too lazy to read it all.

But under the notion "once you can fly it you will always be able fly it"

If I train into a capital, could I then theoretically just pay to reallocate the requirement skills that have nothing to do with actually flying the cap(but are required to get to that point) and reallocate them to the cap support skills needed to fly it well?

Kind of like skill leapfrog, which would end up possibly dramatically shortening cap and super cap pilots times.

Even if I could only allocate a percentage of the support skills, it still seems counter to the point of having to initially train those skills in the first place

Or even just buying generic characters and paying an extra fee to fine tune a newly purchased alt to your liking.


Too much immediate gratification, and just feels bad to cater to people that just want it "now"

you make decisions in the game, you should have to live with those decisions to an extent. You buy the wrong item on market, well your stuck with some loss, you train the wrong skills, you should be stuck with some loss as well. Whether it be the time wasted, or percentage loss from reallocating them at least.

It's a game not the real life where you making mistakes and paying full for that. Game it's fun in the first place. Not the hard work which most of us have IRL.

So having limited opportunity to swap some skills which you already have is an option most of us would be pleased to have for those who against i would reccomend to pass this thread over and don't bother about it.

I got my main for years and when i started playing i was like - "hell i want everything immediatelly". So i have injected bunch of skill books. So it that considered as a mistake? How should i know and be precaution obout last 3 years major changes? Pfff.

I do have like ~20m SP out of my total 125m SP which now i consider as a negative ballance, so my concern is obvious.

Did you seriously just tell people who were against this to ignore the matter altogether?

This is a game of consequence. Decisions made today effect tomorrow either with the skills you train or the actions you make, there is no reset for when you make a mistake. If I take a super out today and take a few gate without scouting I don't get to say "oops" when I get caught and lose it. I don't get my slave clone back either, what a shame. I lose it that's not very fun, I want a do over.

People are paying CCP for access to their servers each month. A smart choice would be to train a character during that time, but you are under no requirement to do so. I have no idea how many months of time I wasted forgetting to start a skill back in the days before skill queues even existed. And in those days you never head anyone crying for that time back. Now that we have near infinite skill queues you hear people now asking for the ability to remap??? RIDICULOUS! Give a player an inch they'll take a mile.

Don't be a child. Just about every MMO that has ever been has offered a respec ability - EVE isn't so special it should be any different. If you don't want to use it, then don't, but I see no reason why CCP shouldn't implement this.

You did hear me but you didn't listen.

What's wrong with having an opportunity once a year move certain ammount of SP from one category to another category?

Hell, make once in a two year period i don't care. Or either limit it by 2.5m Sp per remap + isk or PLEX.

I don't see anything wrong with that. You should remember that unlocated skill point time after atributes skill books removal.

And please don't tell me you still have them unlocated. And please don't tell me it wasn't damn usefull.

To satisfy individuals like you i do even agree to the limitation of remapin SP applying into the most "heaviest" skills with rank over 10.

Should be happy now.

Please see the top of my earlier post in this thread for an explanation as to why a blanket remapping of X% amount of SPs would break the existing attribute system. Unless X was absurdly low, everybody would just set their attributes to Intelligence and Memory, plug in +3s or +4s for them, and remap SPs into other fields every year. Bad mojo.

I think that the most that could be allowed in terms of remapping is in dropping one skill by one level and reallocating the reclaimed points (as outlined here). It's not much, but it would allow some flexibility in light of skill changes made by CCP (Anchoring V anyone?) and still keep attributes meaningful. The most you'd be able to re-allocate every remap is 3.5 million SPs, and that's only if you trained a racial Titan skill to V. Most folks would be limited to half that (Racial Battleship V).

And under no circumstances should remaps be available to purchase for ISK or PLEX. The attribute remap system we have now has worked just fine since the beginning, I can see any kind of skillpoint remapping working just fine the same way.

You did hear me but you didn't listen.

What's wrong with having an opportunity once a year move certain ammount of SP from one category to another category?

Hell, make once in a two year period i don't care. Or either limit it by 2.5m Sp per remap + isk or PLEX.

I don't see anything wrong with that. You should remember that unlocated skill point time after atributes skill books removal.

And please don't tell me you still have them unlocated. And please don't tell me it wasn't damn usefull.

To satisfy individuals like you i do even agree to the limitation of remapin SP applying into the most "heaviest" skills with rank over 10.

Should be happy now.

Don't be a child. Just about every MMO that has ever been has offered a respec ability - EVE isn't so special it should be any different. If you don't want to use it, then don't, but I see no reason why CCP shouldn't implement this.