Originally by: Kristoffer

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Um, no we don't. HP means nothing when your sitting there unable to fire your guns because you ran out of cap due to the fact you can't break the enemies tank fast enough or something like that.

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Originally by: Traxio Nacho

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Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 19/10/2006 15:18:30

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Yes, they can fit more stabs, but at what cost? The loss of essential low slots.

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Rubbish certain ships Vaga/Raven you can fit 2-3 stabs without losing anything but some damage output. Say on the vaga fitting 2-3 stabs you can still fit 2-3 gyro's.

So quite honestly I don't care , down with stabs .

If you want to pvp without the risk of losing something either pick your fights right or go play WoW. The fact is in Eve you can lose stuff it gives it that edge over other games.

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Originally by: wierchas noobhunter

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hmm blowing ascn carebears in empire ?

can i join ?

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Originally by: Traxio Nacho

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Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 19/10/2006 15:18:30

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Yes, they can fit more stabs, but at what cost? The loss of essential low slots.

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Rubbish certain ships Vaga/Raven you can fit 2-3 stabs without losing anything but some damage output. Say on the vaga fitting 2-3 stabs you can still fit 2-3 gyro's.

So quite honestly I don't care , down with stabs .

If you want to pvp without the risk of losing something either pick your fights right or go play WoW. The fact is in Eve you can lose stuff it gives it that edge over other games.

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Originally by: wierchas noobhunter

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hmm blowing ascn carebears in empire ?

can i join ?

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Originally by: Tyrone Hambone

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Can someone please provide a link to whatever all the references to Khanid MKII is all about? Search seems to lead me to nothing but stories about some King Khanid or something like that.

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Originally by: Leshrac Shepherd

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Originally by: Stephar

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Considering that rails use more cap than blasters, you would think that Caldari would be worried too.

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the average caldari pilot (and that is almost the same as saying the average eve player) has no clue on what a "Railgun" is or how it works, so it is completely normal that they aren't worried.

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Originally by: Tuxford

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Ship hitpoint increase, about 50% for tech 1 and about 25% on tech 2. A bit more on battlecruises/command ships and destroyers/interdictors

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• Significant nerf to alpha-strike dependant weapons (especially artillery)


• Significant nerf to alpha-strike dependant ships (especially destroyers)


• Significant nerf to cap dependant weapons (especially Amarr)


• Significant nerf to heavy ammo use weapons (especially BS-size; especially autocannons)


• Significant nerf to cap booster-reliant builds


• Significant buff to nos/neuts (longer combat = increased likelihood of bleeding target dry)


• Significant nerf to small gang/hit-and-run operations (50%+ more time for the blob to counter)


• Moderate nerf to offensive PvP ops generally (logistical problems due to 50%+ increase in required ammo/cap charges)


• Moderate nerf to smaller ships (same lock time + longer combat = higher likelihood of getting nosed/webbed/worn down by light drones)


• Moderate nerf to active tanking (i.e. cap use > cap recharge)


• Moderate nerf to aggro timer (i.e. tank damage until one can jump/dock)


• Moderate nerf to warp bubbles (more time to slow boat to station/gate)


• Slight buff to close combat ships (less damage taken during approach as % of total HP)


• Upsets current balance between "gank" vs. "tank"


• Upsets current balance between weapon types


• No significant change to fleet combat (focused fire from 15 BSes will still one-volley the primary target; only change, post-patch, is that 33.3% more guns will successfully activate before the target pops)


• Very significant changes to small gang combat (specifically, changes that further amplify the advantage of superior numbers)

Originally by: Grey Area

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So if the problem with warp core stabs was cowardly snipers, why not try this for size instead;

1. Halve range of all long range weapons
2. Give all ships a "sniper mode"...a button you press which doubles your range - but stops your engines
3. Entering and/or leaving sniper mode takes 60 seconds
4. WCS get put back to normal

This introduces the REAL penalty that a sniper should pay...if he gets caught at close range, he's in trouble. It would give sniper-hunter teams a chance to kill snipers in the 60 second window before they came out of sniper mode.

but of course, since the REAL reason behind the cries for a WCS nerf is to make it easier for pirates to gank carebears, this will never happen.

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Originally by: Tuxford

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Warp Core Stabilizers now give penalty to targeting range and scan resolution, about 50% for tech 1

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Originally by: Zeroskills

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I worry that the HP increase is surgery by samurai sword.... My greatest fear is the next year will be spent trying to fix the unintended consequences of this 50% HP increase.

In spite of all the "nerf/boost" posts on these forums, EVE's PvP is generally very well balanced. This unique balance is more important than a 50% increase in combat duration. Please do not let this change go live--it will break that balance.

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Originally by: Attiladehun

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Those changes sounds cool, but can you at least look at some ships dmg output or tracking...

I mean give minmatar some wub

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Originally by: Zeroskills

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Originally by: Tuxford

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Ship hitpoint increase, about 50% for tech 1 and about 25% on tech 2. A bit more on battlecruises/command ships and destroyers/interdictors

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I understand the motivation behind the 50% HP increase. While the other changes are all correctly classified as "tweaks" (scalpel work), I worry that the HP increase is surgery by samurai sword.

While more HP will result in longer combat duration, this change will have trickle down impact on all aspects of PvP balance:

• Significant nerf to alpha-strike dependant weapons (especially artillery)


• Significant nerf to alpha-strike dependant ships (especially destroyers)


• Significant nerf to cap dependant weapons (especially Amarr)


• Significant nerf to heavy ammo use weapons (especially BS-size; especially autocannons)


• Significant nerf to cap booster-reliant builds


• Significant buff to nos/neuts (longer combat = increased likelihood of bleeding target dry)


• Significant nerf to small gang/hit-and-run operations (50%+ more time for the blob to counter)


• Moderate nerf to offensive PvP ops generally (logistical problems due to 50%+ increase in required ammo/cap charges)


• Moderate nerf to smaller ships (same lock time + longer combat = higher likelihood of getting nosed/webbed/worn down by light drones)


• Moderate nerf to active tanking (i.e. cap use > cap recharge)


• Moderate nerf to aggro timer (i.e. tank damage until one can jump/dock)


• Moderate nerf to warp bubbles (more time to slow boat to station/gate)


• Slight buff to close combat ships (less damage taken during approach as % of total HP)


• Upsets current balance between "gank" vs. "tank"


• Upsets current balance between weapon types


• No significant change to fleet combat (focused fire from 15 BSes will still one-volley the primary target; only change, post-patch, is that 33.3% more guns will successfully activate before the target pops)


• Very significant changes to small gang combat (specifically, changes that further amplify the advantage of superior numbers)

I agree that, all else equal, longer combat is a good thing. However, this is hardly an "all else equal" scenario. My greatest fear is the next year will be spent trying to fix the unintended consequences of this 50% HP increase.

In spite of all the "nerf/boost" posts on these forums, EVE's PvP is generally very well balanced. This unique balance is more important than a 50% increase in combat duration. Please do not let this change go live--it will break that balance.

Regards,
Zeroskills[SUN]
www.guildofsun.com

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Originally by: Ogdru Jahad

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All you pathetic whiners ! I have one magic word for you all...

ADAPT!

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Originally by: Tuxford

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Agility of battlecruisers and command ships boosted by 20%

Ship hitpoint increase, about 50% for tech 1 and about 25% on tech 2. A bit more on battlecruises/command ships and destroyers/interdictors

Modules

Warp Core Stabilizers now give penalty to targeting range and scan resolution, about 50% for tech 1

ECM changes - I'm blogging about that one, hopefully comes later today

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"He did not know, Who he was ******* with."

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