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Tsual	Posted - 2004.05.05 07:54:00 - [121] Originally by: Wren Quote: High Tech I tend to think that the technology of the minmatar reflect two aspects, functionality and asthetics. It seems on their ships that they blend what only is needed with strange jutting 'sails' and other projections. The rupture is not a good example, simply because it was a design stolen from the Amarrians. Organized Crime Again, I would like to think of the crime syndicates as being organized in a clan like system, only divided into cells which would prevent the entire organization from being compromized by either a mole or siezure by police forces. A strict honor system would be in place, and those who performed well would advance quickly. Tribal Organization I think we have most of this down, familys form clans, these clans are percieved by the members as just an extended family. Clans then form Tribes. Perhaps there is a step between clans and tribes. Educational Proceedures I think the schools would have a hands on approach to most everything. A journeyman or master would teach apprentaces. This way the system would not break down when materials, such as books or computer files were lost. Probably done this way after the Day of Darkness, to ensure further generations had the needed knowledge to keep functioning. The universities would be a new addition to the republic, probably in the last few hundred years. These institutions would try to produce specialized individuals, so that training could still be done by a master professor who would work with small groups. Lets keep this going please, the more we do, the better we can role play i think. So mainly we organized crime, tribal structure and educational procedure. About Tribal strcuture the back ground file tells us following: Quote: The tribal community was ideally suited for nomads, but remarkably the Minmatars kept their strong tribal ties after urbanization began, even if some of its more strict aspects have declined in recent times, such as the stringent caste system and (for some of the tribes) acreage serfdom for farmers and workers. To this day, Minmatars identify themselves first and foremost through their clan. The Minmatar tribes evolved their own traditions over time, but limited communications between them ensured a few basic similarities in their social structure. One of these is the pyramid structure of the tribe: each tribe has a number of family clans, which are then further divided into sub-clans based on occupation, geographical location and other traits (this is different between the tribes even if the overall structure is the same). Each of the seven major tribes has a tribal leader; this person serves pretty much the same position as a president or a head of state for the tribes. The authority of the tribe leader is unquestioned within the tribe, but he has little or no power outside his tribe. Initial thought: Taking this out we would for example have a constellation sitting brutor family clan, divide into solar system or planet residing sub-clans. Additional two or three of the family clans of brutor or sebestior would be mainly space faring. just my 0.02 isk -------------------------------------- Tsual - Miner from faith, frigat junky for life. Ritual of the Qua'nadhar.
Tsual Minmatar Iikhelahii khulemah'lal	Posted - 2004.05.05 07:54:00 - [122] Originally by: Wren Quote: High Tech I tend to think that the technology of the minmatar reflect two aspects, functionality and asthetics. It seems on their ships that they blend what only is needed with strange jutting 'sails' and other projections. The rupture is not a good example, simply because it was a design stolen from the Amarrians. Organized Crime Again, I would like to think of the crime syndicates as being organized in a clan like system, only divided into cells which would prevent the entire organization from being compromized by either a mole or siezure by police forces. A strict honor system would be in place, and those who performed well would advance quickly. Tribal Organization I think we have most of this down, familys form clans, these clans are percieved by the members as just an extended family. Clans then form Tribes. Perhaps there is a step between clans and tribes. Educational Proceedures I think the schools would have a hands on approach to most everything. A journeyman or master would teach apprentaces. This way the system would not break down when materials, such as books or computer files were lost. Probably done this way after the Day of Darkness, to ensure further generations had the needed knowledge to keep functioning. The universities would be a new addition to the republic, probably in the last few hundred years. These institutions would try to produce specialized individuals, so that training could still be done by a master professor who would work with small groups. Lets keep this going please, the more we do, the better we can role play i think. So mainly we organized crime, tribal structure and educational procedure. About Tribal strcuture the back ground file tells us following: Quote: The tribal community was ideally suited for nomads, but remarkably the Minmatars kept their strong tribal ties after urbanization began, even if some of its more strict aspects have declined in recent times, such as the stringent caste system and (for some of the tribes) acreage serfdom for farmers and workers. To this day, Minmatars identify themselves first and foremost through their clan. The Minmatar tribes evolved their own traditions over time, but limited communications between them ensured a few basic similarities in their social structure. One of these is the pyramid structure of the tribe: each tribe has a number of family clans, which are then further divided into sub-clans based on occupation, geographical location and other traits (this is different between the tribes even if the overall structure is the same). Each of the seven major tribes has a tribal leader; this person serves pretty much the same position as a president or a head of state for the tribes. The authority of the tribe leader is unquestioned within the tribe, but he has little or no power outside his tribe. Initial thought: Taking this out we would for example have a constellation sitting brutor family clan, divide into solar system or planet residing sub-clans. Additional two or three of the family clans of brutor or sebestior would be mainly space faring. just my 0.02 isk ******************** Moral is only usefull so far as society demands it from one to accept his presence.
Wren	Posted - 2004.05.10 08:19:00 - [123] Runes: Runes are symbols that are used to discribe not only a sound, but something physical as well as spritual or beyond the physical. Runes can be spoken, written, or visualized. Combinations of runes can be used to record knowlege. This knowlege is dynamic, and as the universe changes, so too does the meaning of the combined runes. There are probably several different sets of runes spread out amounst the Minmatar. Probably two distinct sets, one for the Sebiestor and one for the Brutor, and then sub-sets of these, however, a true runemaster would have knowlege of as many runes as he can. The runes can impart power to items (if only percieved by the practitioners of runic arts), or ward the user or his companions. ----------------------------------------------------------- Body or self: This catagory can be known as physical adepts. These are people who delve into the mysteries and energies of the human body. They percieve themselves as energy as well as matter, and tap into this energy to shape their perceptions, thoughts and feelings. This can be anyone who achieves a level of supreme or professional knowlege in a physical activity. Miners who split rocks all day might experience a piece of mind and clarity where every strike with the pick hits the exact area they want. Maybe a farmer whose plow sinks to the perfect depth repeatedly. Most cases however, it takes years of training in a way that emphisizes the relationship of the physical affecting the spiritual and emotional aspects of the self. Usually, these sort of people discribe an energy that connects all life. There are probably many types of religions or schools for this training. --------------------------------------------------
Wren Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2004.05.10 08:19:00 - [124] Runes: Runes are symbols that are used to discribe not only a sound, but something physical as well as spritual or beyond the physical. Runes can be spoken, written, or visualized. Combinations of runes can be used to record knowlege. This knowlege is dynamic, and as the universe changes, so too does the meaning of the combined runes. There are probably several different sets of runes spread out amounst the Minmatar. Probably two distinct sets, one for the Sebiestor and one for the Brutor, and then sub-sets of these, however, a true runemaster would have knowlege of as many runes as he can. The runes can impart power to items (if only percieved by the practitioners of runic arts), or ward the user or his companions. ----------------------------------------------------------- Body or self: This catagory can be known as physical adepts. These are people who delve into the mysteries and energies of the human body. They percieve themselves as energy as well as matter, and tap into this energy to shape their perceptions, thoughts and feelings. This can be anyone who achieves a level of supreme or professional knowlege in a physical activity. Miners who split rocks all day might experience a piece of mind and clarity where every strike with the pick hits the exact area they want. Maybe a farmer whose plow sinks to the perfect depth repeatedly. Most cases however, it takes years of training in a way that emphisizes the relationship of the physical affecting the spiritual and emotional aspects of the self. Usually, these sort of people discribe an energy that connects all life. There are probably many types of religions or schools for this training. ----------------------------------- Wren says: "Chirpy Chirp Chirp.... DAMNIT!"
Kakita Jalaan	Posted - 2004.05.12 18:14:00 - [125] Just want to say, I'm still watching this thread, and there is some very good material in it. I really like the background you're providing, Wren. By the way, the p&p is nearing a stage where playtests could conceivably be conducted by people familiar with the World of Eve.
Kakita Jalaan Viriette Commerce and Holding	Posted - 2004.05.12 18:14:00 - [126] Just want to say, I'm still watching this thread, and there is some very good material in it. I really like the background you're providing, Wren. By the way, the p&p is nearing a stage where playtests could conceivably be conducted by people familiar with the World of Eve. ______________ Join the Family
Wren	Posted - 2004.05.20 11:45:00 - [127] Okay, I am going to write up some examples of several of the different kinds of rituals. If any of the others want to help, eve-mail me or convo me at any time. --------------------------------------------------
Wren Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2004.05.20 11:45:00 - [128] Okay, I am going to write up some examples of several of the different kinds of rituals. If any of the others want to help, eve-mail me or convo me at any time. ----------------------------------- Wren says: "Chirpy Chirp Chirp.... DAMNIT!"
Wren	Posted - 2004.08.02 07:47:00 - [129] I uh, basically haven't done anything in the last few weeks with this stuff. Let me know if I should reread all of this and continue work. --------------------------------------------------
Wren	Posted - 2004.08.02 07:47:00 - [130] I uh, basically haven't done anything in the last few weeks with this stuff. Let me know if I should reread all of this and continue work. --------------------------------------------------
Wren Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2004.08.02 07:47:00 - [131] I uh, basically haven't done anything in the last few weeks with this stuff. Let me know if I should reread all of this and continue work. ----------------------------------- Wren says: "Chirpy Chirp Chirp.... DAMNIT!"
Darius Shakor	Posted - 2004.08.02 09:00:00 - [132] I am still interested in this. It would be a valuable refference for anyone making their own stories on Minmatar interactions. ------ Analysis[Ceasefire]....Complete - 'Term given to the act of firing, causing the ceasation of the life it is directed at
Darius Shakor	Posted - 2004.08.02 09:00:00 - [133] I am still interested in this. It would be a valuable refference for anyone making their own stories on Minmatar interactions. ------ Analysis[Ceasefire]....Complete - 'Term given to the act of firing, causing the ceasation of the life it is directed at
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2004.08.02 09:00:00 - [134] I am still interested in this. It would be a valuable refference for anyone making their own stories on Minmatar interactions. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Wren	Posted - 2004.08.03 07:25:00 - [135] So what is needed, a sort of encyclopedia with rituals or ritualistic basics, or... Going back and reading from the front, the original idea was to see how involved the average Minmatar was in the ritualistic/tribal practices while still being a member of a modern and techno savvy culture. I still don't have any clue or frame of refrence on how any of this ritualistic stuff plays a part in day to day life. Is it regulated? Are there appointed or elected or whatever people who sponser, mediate, or preside over public rituals? Elders? Do they carry as much clout as say, a successful business man/woman? Scientist? Blargh. --------------------------------------------------
Wren	Posted - 2004.08.03 07:25:00 - [136] So what is needed, a sort of encyclopedia with rituals or ritualistic basics, or... Going back and reading from the front, the original idea was to see how involved the average Minmatar was in the ritualistic/tribal practices while still being a member of a modern and techno savvy culture. I still don't have any clue or frame of refrence on how any of this ritualistic stuff plays a part in day to day life. Is it regulated? Are there appointed or elected or whatever people who sponser, mediate, or preside over public rituals? Elders? Do they carry as much clout as say, a successful business man/woman? Scientist? Blargh. --------------------------------------------------
Wren Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2004.08.03 07:25:00 - [137] So what is needed, a sort of encyclopedia with rituals or ritualistic basics, or... Going back and reading from the front, the original idea was to see how involved the average Minmatar was in the ritualistic/tribal practices while still being a member of a modern and techno savvy culture. I still don't have any clue or frame of refrence on how any of this ritualistic stuff plays a part in day to day life. Is it regulated? Are there appointed or elected or whatever people who sponser, mediate, or preside over public rituals? Elders? Do they carry as much clout as say, a successful business man/woman? Scientist? Blargh. ----------------------------------- Wren says: "Chirpy Chirp Chirp.... DAMNIT!"
Makkar	Posted - 2004.08.03 11:54:00 - [138] I suppose if you're talking about how a shamanistic culture could manifest in the cities of Matar, you've only to look at FASA's Shadowrunÿ, and the street shamans in that. You could also consider voodoun, and such elements of Haitian tradition. Voodoun's got elements of Catholicism and African tribal beliefs, melded together during centuries of enslavement. Not too dissimilar to the Minmatar's situation. The practitioners of such ritualistic arts are, (especially, but not exclusively in rural areas,) held in very high regard, and with a certain amount of fear. The thing to bear in mind is that most of the Minmatar culture is gone. What remains has been rebuilt from memories and stories passed down through generations of slaves. Memories and stories are not immutable. One's only got to play Chinese Whispers to realise that. Each generation, and each storyteller, will add their own embelishment and view on the story, and which bits are most noteworthy. The distinction between Brutor and Sebiestor must also, therefore, be a racial thing primarily, and a cultural thing as a secondary factor. After all, after generations of working side by side in slavery, it must be assumed that cultural stories from Brutor ethnics were passed on to Sebiestor, and vice versa. The same for the other tribal ethnic groups. These stories would be so intertwined by the time of the rebellion as to be inseperable. The reforging of the tribes and individual cultures could only have been guesswork, to my mind. It's therefore very likely that some of the tales told to Brutor children in modern Minmatar society will actually be of Sebiestor or Thukker or Krusal or whatever origin. So perhaps the question should be; How does one rebuild a culture one knows very little about? Are Minmatar living a self-perpetuated lie of their own making? It's likely.
Makkar	Posted - 2004.08.03 11:54:00 - [139] I suppose if you're talking about how a shamanistic culture could manifest in the cities of Matar, you've only to look at FASA's Shadowrunÿ, and the street shamans in that. You could also consider voodoun, and such elements of Haitian tradition. Voodoun's got elements of Catholicism and African tribal beliefs, melded together during centuries of enslavement. Not too dissimilar to the Minmatar's situation. The practitioners of such ritualistic arts are, (especially, but not exclusively in rural areas,) held in very high regard, and with a certain amount of fear. The thing to bear in mind is that most of the Minmatar culture is gone. What remains has been rebuilt from memories and stories passed down through generations of slaves. Memories and stories are not immutable. One's only got to play Chinese Whispers to realise that. Each generation, and each storyteller, will add their own embelishment and view on the story, and which bits are most noteworthy. The distinction between Brutor and Sebiestor must also, therefore, be a racial thing primarily, and a cultural thing as a secondary factor. After all, after generations of working side by side in slavery, it must be assumed that cultural stories from Brutor ethnics were passed on to Sebiestor, and vice versa. The same for the other tribal ethnic groups. These stories would be so intertwined by the time of the rebellion as to be inseperable. The reforging of the tribes and individual cultures could only have been guesswork, to my mind. It's therefore very likely that some of the tales told to Brutor children in modern Minmatar society will actually be of Sebiestor or Thukker or Krusal or whatever origin. So perhaps the question should be; How does one rebuild a culture one knows very little about? Are Minmatar living a self-perpetuated lie of their own making? It's likely.
Makkar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2004.08.03 11:54:00 - [140] I suppose if you're talking about how a shamanistic culture could manifest in the cities of Matar, you've only to look at FASA's Shadowrunÿ, and the street shamans in that. You could also consider voodoun, and such elements of Haitian tradition. Voodoun's got elements of Catholicism and African tribal beliefs, melded together during centuries of enslavement. Not too dissimilar to the Minmatar's situation. The practitioners of such ritualistic arts are, (especially, but not exclusively in rural areas,) held in very high regard, and with a certain amount of fear. The thing to bear in mind is that most of the Minmatar culture is gone. What remains has been rebuilt from memories and stories passed down through generations of slaves. Memories and stories are not immutable. One's only got to play Chinese Whispers to realise that. Each generation, and each storyteller, will add their own embelishment and view on the story, and which bits are most noteworthy. The distinction between Brutor and Sebiestor must also, therefore, be a racial thing primarily, and a cultural thing as a secondary factor. After all, after generations of working side by side in slavery, it must be assumed that cultural stories from Brutor ethnics were passed on to Sebiestor, and vice versa. The same for the other tribal ethnic groups. These stories would be so intertwined by the time of the rebellion as to be inseperable. The reforging of the tribes and individual cultures could only have been guesswork, to my mind. It's therefore very likely that some of the tales told to Brutor children in modern Minmatar society will actually be of Sebiestor or Thukker or Krusal or whatever origin. So perhaps the question should be; How does one rebuild a culture one knows very little about? Are Minmatar living a self-perpetuated lie of their own making? It's likely.
Wren	Posted - 2004.08.03 12:12:00 - [141] It's not only likely, but more like assuredly. Also, I wonder how many elements in current Minmatar rituals/rites/practices have other race's roots, learned or snatched from the other peoples enslaved by the Amarrians. How do you rebuild a culture? It looks like certain fragments of the culture that escaped Amarrian squeltching are important, but one wonders if there was even more important or widely accepted or used pieces that were totally wiped out through systematic means from the Amarrian holders/propagandists. Maybe orginally all Brutors were vegetarians. Maybe all Thukkers used to wear kilts/skirts. Maybe maybe maybe, but all that stuff was lost. So I guess we would have to see what is actually left. --------------------------------------------------
Wren	Posted - 2004.08.03 12:12:00 - [142] It's not only likely, but more like assuredly. Also, I wonder how many elements in current Minmatar rituals/rites/practices have other race's roots, learned or snatched from the other peoples enslaved by the Amarrians. How do you rebuild a culture? It looks like certain fragments of the culture that escaped Amarrian squeltching are important, but one wonders if there was even more important or widely accepted or used pieces that were totally wiped out through systematic means from the Amarrian holders/propagandists. Maybe orginally all Brutors were vegetarians. Maybe all Thukkers used to wear kilts/skirts. Maybe maybe maybe, but all that stuff was lost. So I guess we would have to see what is actually left. --------------------------------------------------
Wren Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2004.08.03 12:12:00 - [143] It's not only likely, but more like assuredly. Also, I wonder how many elements in current Minmatar rituals/rites/practices have other race's roots, learned or snatched from the other peoples enslaved by the Amarrians. How do you rebuild a culture? It looks like certain fragments of the culture that escaped Amarrian squeltching are important, but one wonders if there was even more important or widely accepted or used pieces that were totally wiped out through systematic means from the Amarrian holders/propagandists. Maybe orginally all Brutors were vegetarians. Maybe all Thukkers used to wear kilts/skirts. Maybe maybe maybe, but all that stuff was lost. So I guess we would have to see what is actually left. ----------------------------------- Wren says: "Chirpy Chirp Chirp.... DAMNIT!"
Gaelbhan Wulf	Posted - 2004.08.03 16:39:00 - [144] Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi There isn't really a RL equivalent of this. Most tribal and clannish cultures haven't survived well into the modern age. I agree with that Shintoko. The modern age has even enveloped the Aborigines of Australia, a people with over 50,000 years of collective, remembered history. In many cases, the only way we will be able to 'relate' what has happened to humans here on Earth and what we think would happen to humans in Eve is through symbolism. ______________________ . . . a devouring fever runs in flame through every vein within me . . ."
Gaelbhan Wulf	Posted - 2004.08.03 16:39:00 - [145] Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi There isn't really a RL equivalent of this. Most tribal and clannish cultures haven't survived well into the modern age. I agree with that Shintoko. The modern age has even enveloped the Aborigines of Australia, a people with over 50,000 years of collective, remembered history. In many cases, the only way we will be able to 'relate' what has happened to humans here on Earth and what we think would happen to humans in Eve is through symbolism. ______________________ . . . a devouring fever runs in flame through every vein within me . . ."
Gaelbhan Wulf Minmatar Doomheim	Posted - 2004.08.03 16:39:00 - [146] Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi There isn't really a RL equivalent of this. Most tribal and clannish cultures haven't survived well into the modern age. I agree with that Shintoko. The modern age has even enveloped the Aborigines of Australia, a people with over 50,000 years of collective, remembered history. In many cases, the only way we will be able to 'relate' what has happened to humans here on Earth and what we think would happen to humans in Eve is through symbolism. ______________________ . . . a devouring fever runs in flame through every vein within me . . ."
Darius Shakor	Posted - 2004.08.04 22:08:00 - [147] Quote: I still don't have any clue or frame of refrence on how any of this ritualistic stuff plays a part in day to day life. it doesn't really have to play a part, just to be there. Compulsary? Not really. Look as the muslim religion. I know and work with people from Pakistan and the U.A.E. Some are heavily religious and practice regularly and take part in the religious ceremonies, others do not, but their faith is there. They just belive in going about it in a different, and more laid back way. Quote: Is it regulated? Are there appointed or elected or whatever people who sponser, mediate, or preside over public rituals? Elders? Do they carry as much clout as say, a successful business man/woman? Scientist? I want to tackle this issue with the last part of my first character bio book. He becomes the head of the clan. In the clan there is a lot of in-fighting between eldars who are heavy on ritual and tradition, and the modernists of the clan. To give you an idea, watch the film, "The Last Samurai" with Tom Cruise in it. The last of the samurai mount a revolt over the emperors plans to modernise Japan. What I am getting at is that this is on a case by case basis. Some clans will be ardent traditionalist, others a lose association of modern thinkers such as business men. And you will always get the occasional mixed bag too. Quote: It looks like certain fragments of the culture that escaped Amarrian squeltching are important, but one wonders if there was even more important or widely accepted or used pieces that were totally wiped out through systematic means from the Amarrian holders/propagandists. Your answer... Quote: You could also consider voodoun, and such elements of Haitian tradition. Voodoun's got elements of Catholicism and African tribal beliefs, melded together during centuries of enslavement. Not too dissimilar to the Minmatar's situation. I saw a prog about Haiti and modern voodoo and how the people there in the past under a strong catholoc rule used to take the deities of the Catholics and prey to their own spirits or gods through them. After all, a statue of christ on the cross is just a lump of wood and gold representing the essence. All they did was to change the essence of what it meant to them. Quote: Maybe orginally all Brutors were vegetarians. God forbid. I love my steaks too much to go veggie. ------ Analysis[Ceasefire]....Complete - 'Term given to the act of firing, causing the ceasation of the life it is directed at
Darius Shakor	Posted - 2004.08.04 22:08:00 - [148] Quote: I still don't have any clue or frame of refrence on how any of this ritualistic stuff plays a part in day to day life. it doesn't really have to play a part, just to be there. Compulsary? Not really. Look as the muslim religion. I know and work with people from Pakistan and the U.A.E. Some are heavily religious and practice regularly and take part in the religious ceremonies, others do not, but their faith is there. They just belive in going about it in a different, and more laid back way. Quote: Is it regulated? Are there appointed or elected or whatever people who sponser, mediate, or preside over public rituals? Elders? Do they carry as much clout as say, a successful business man/woman? Scientist? I want to tackle this issue with the last part of my first character bio book. He becomes the head of the clan. In the clan there is a lot of in-fighting between eldars who are heavy on ritual and tradition, and the modernists of the clan. To give you an idea, watch the film, "The Last Samurai" with Tom Cruise in it. The last of the samurai mount a revolt over the emperors plans to modernise Japan. What I am getting at is that this is on a case by case basis. Some clans will be ardent traditionalist, others a lose association of modern thinkers such as business men. And you will always get the occasional mixed bag too. Quote: It looks like certain fragments of the culture that escaped Amarrian squeltching are important, but one wonders if there was even more important or widely accepted or used pieces that were totally wiped out through systematic means from the Amarrian holders/propagandists. Your answer... Quote: You could also consider voodoun, and such elements of Haitian tradition. Voodoun's got elements of Catholicism and African tribal beliefs, melded together during centuries of enslavement. Not too dissimilar to the Minmatar's situation. I saw a prog about Haiti and modern voodoo and how the people there in the past under a strong catholoc rule used to take the deities of the Catholics and prey to their own spirits or gods through them. After all, a statue of christ on the cross is just a lump of wood and gold representing the essence. All they did was to change the essence of what it meant to them. Quote: Maybe orginally all Brutors were vegetarians. God forbid. I love my steaks too much to go veggie. ------ Analysis[Ceasefire]....Complete - 'Term given to the act of firing, causing the ceasation of the life it is directed at
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2004.08.04 22:08:00 - [149] Quote: I still don't have any clue or frame of refrence on how any of this ritualistic stuff plays a part in day to day life. it doesn't really have to play a part, just to be there. Compulsary? Not really. Look as the muslim religion. I know and work with people from Pakistan and the U.A.E. Some are heavily religious and practice regularly and take part in the religious ceremonies, others do not, but their faith is there. They just belive in going about it in a different, and more laid back way. Quote: Is it regulated? Are there appointed or elected or whatever people who sponser, mediate, or preside over public rituals? Elders? Do they carry as much clout as say, a successful business man/woman? Scientist? I want to tackle this issue with the last part of my first character bio book. He becomes the head of the clan. In the clan there is a lot of in-fighting between eldars who are heavy on ritual and tradition, and the modernists of the clan. To give you an idea, watch the film, "The Last Samurai" with Tom Cruise in it. The last of the samurai mount a revolt over the emperors plans to modernise Japan. What I am getting at is that this is on a case by case basis. Some clans will be ardent traditionalist, others a lose association of modern thinkers such as business men. And you will always get the occasional mixed bag too. Quote: It looks like certain fragments of the culture that escaped Amarrian squeltching are important, but one wonders if there was even more important or widely accepted or used pieces that were totally wiped out through systematic means from the Amarrian holders/propagandists. Your answer... Quote: You could also consider voodoun, and such elements of Haitian tradition. Voodoun's got elements of Catholicism and African tribal beliefs, melded together during centuries of enslavement. Not too dissimilar to the Minmatar's situation. I saw a prog about Haiti and modern voodoo and how the people there in the past under a strong catholoc rule used to take the deities of the Catholics and prey to their own spirits or gods through them. After all, a statue of christ on the cross is just a lump of wood and gold representing the essence. All they did was to change the essence of what it meant to them. Quote: Maybe orginally all Brutors were vegetarians. God forbid. I love my steaks too much to go veggie. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
SaH TohRI	Posted - 2004.08.05 09:20:00 - [150] Very interesting and ispiring thread I suggest this site for some further inspiration.on shamanism, holism and other interesting readings. my 2 isks

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