you cant compare a frig to a destroyer t2 to t3 , honestly all they need to do is put a restriction on the hull so it cant fit 10mn because it makes the ship too unstable and may.... whatever. and maybe add more skill reqs to fly it like t3 cruisers. i don't see why they should be nerfd into the ground because people are crying over them. making poor arguments as to why they should be nerfd in the first place. they are easy to kill 2 med neuts or 2 webs to get dps down and its dead

its a destroyer...... it kills frigs.

Assault frig is a frig...so what do you expect when going against a T3 destroyers when destroyers are designed to kill frigs? I never cried because i can-¦t solo a titan in my dread...

Killing is fine - eliminating the need for an entire class like Assault Frigates is not.

Three Gud ModesGäó - Ceptor/AF/Destroyer - be all you wanna be at a click of a buttan.

so you never have to avoid any other ship type?

so you never have to avoid any other ship type?

it wont eliminate a ship class from the game and make it useless, AFs have a place. just like people fly cruisers of all types and not just t3

it wont eliminate a ship class from the game and make it useless, AFs have a place. just like people fly cruisers of all types and not just t3

A Huginn has longer range webs than a Loki. There is a reason to run a Huginn if you want the best webber. A Guardian is better at repping than a Legion. A HAC has reduced MWD signature compared to a T3 so there's at least some use if you want to be tough and go fast. What does an AF do better than a D3?

but not nerf T3Ds to the point they are worse than t1.

run?

it might be a reason to buff AFs but not nerf T3Ds to the point they are worse than t1. because that's whats going to happen. thrasher was always strong against AFs when arty fit

Assault frig is a frig...so what do you expect when going against a T3 destroyers when destroyers are designed to kill frigs? I never cried because i can-¦t solo a titan in my dread...

I'm not sure you understand, it's perfectly ok that T3D's would beat AFs in a straight fight. A Legion will beat a Guardian in a shooting match any day. The question is what niche T3Ds leave for AFs, and if they don't leave a niche then something needs to be done.

so that's a valid reason to nerf them? because AFs no longer have a place, like BS and BC we should just nerf cruisers aswell then

so that's a valid reason to nerf them? because AFs no longer have a place, like BS and BC we should just nerf cruisers aswell then

so that's a valid reason to nerf them?

A Huginn has longer range webs than a Loki. There is a reason to run a Huginn if you want the best webber. A Guardian is better at repping than a Legion. A HAC has reduced MWD signature compared to a T3 so there's at least some use if you want to be tough and go fast. What does an AF do better than a D3?

And a command ship throws bonuses better than a . . Ah well . . here's hoping when they seriously bite into T3 cruiser subsystems they nerf the T3 command subsystems some more. The T3s are still used more than the command ships. But of course that is a digression.

As for the confessor and svipuls, yeah the svipul is still going to have too easy a time against a bunch of ship classes it probably should not be. Maybe they'll take a third look at trimming some more off of it.

I'm yet to see oversized/undersized prop be an interesting and balanced fitting choice. it's always either useless or game-breaking, and I don't want to wait 3 years for you guys to do little fitting tweaks on absolutely everything, when you could just cut it out entirely.

Why not just tie a skill loss into the T3 Destroyers?

Artificial restriction is artificial.

Cancer will spread to null, especially with the coming new Sov capture mechanics.

CCP ruining the balance on propless fits :[

A Huginn has longer range webs than a Loki. There is a reason to run a Huginn if you want the best webber. A Guardian is better at repping than a Legion. A HAC has reduced MWD signature compared to a T3 so there's at least some use if you want to be tough and go fast. What does an AF do better than a D3?

ok I've been baited.

cruisers are a mixed bag ranging from too good to too bad, please don't fix my vexor, please do fix my rupture
combat inties are trash
recons are all hitlers, how about more usable gang ewar ships, less anti-solo
battleships are a mixed bag, lol tempest lol rokh
marauders lol why do they exist, and why do asbs use 0 cap and not have a 1 per ship limit
black ops eh idk, no complaints, but the bonuses are a bit funky for some people.
hacs the infinite mwd cap thing is silly, and the kiting sig bonus is silly, why does my vagabond have a shield bonus and only 4 mids
t1 destroyers lol try bringing one other than a cormorant or linked talwar to any kind of fight with ships other than frigs and cruisers in it
interdictors are alright, they're like destroyers but with a load of concessions so they're not totally unusable in combat
heavy interdictors, how about letting them receive reps so you don't need like 20 of them to tackle a super
command ships, yeah, active tanking is exactly what you want on a fleet command ship. and what's up with the strange damage bonuses to make up for the obvious difference in power between different weapon systems? dual rate of fire bonuses? ok I didn't want to be able to overheat or have any volley damage anyway.

Comparing a Tech III destroyer to a Tech II frigate is like comparing a Tech II battlecruiser to a Tech I cruiser. The comparison is just not apt at all.
An Eos will murder a Vexor.
A Svipul will murder a Wolf.
That's just about what you should expect. Should it work differently? How?

There's a higher base speed on the Confessor, but the lower mass on the Svipul ensures that it's faster with prop mods on. High base speed but high mass to temper that speed is a feature of a lot of the Amarrian ships that we've rebalanced recently.

I love that your not thinking with blinkers on but im worried with all the recent balance changes we are losing the racial uniqueness of the ships....
Theres so little gap between some ships you could mistake one for the other..... (other than *minmatar use projectiles* etc)

The comparison with AFs is apt because these ships perform similarly and in similar roles,