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Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
179
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Posted - 2012.08.13 23:50:00 -
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A few points about the Prom/Honour/uncertain fights discussion: Things that can take on more, i.e. shiny BSs, can't easily catch what they can comfortably take on & overwhelm (cruiser/nano BC gang). As you increase dps or range or tank without loses from these other stats you go up ship sizes, and that loses you mobility and basic things like lock speed. So as much as a powerful ship needs to seek out larger numbers or tougher ships to maintain uncertainty in the outcome, they also lose the ability to take the most easy wins/ganks. IIRC the largest mechanical enforcement of this reasonable power-matching is tracking. Second would be that tackle doesn't increase in range/power with other stats for a solo ship, and only T3s and linked pirate BSs really buck this.
Honour is a 'prisoner dilemma' style problem. Focusing more on the ECM issue than blobbing, I see it that with the assumption people want those uncertain good close fights, they would agree that ECM is overpowered. If everyone was without ECM in any form, almost all fights would probably be better (at least more fun and better for your fun/isk or time invested). As you say, ignoring the direct 1v1s which would then have less uncertaintly, at least 1 or many v many would have more player-action-dependant outcomes. But as soon as someone chooses not to bring the ec-300s because of this, but others still have them, you only weaken your chances of better fights. When you're caught in a bad situation that is or isn't avoidable, you can't easily escape/win, while the other people can, and also probably make the average fight go their way as much as dps/other ewar drones would have, or at least cause too many annoying RNG-based results than desired.
As for the tiny gangs/roam corp ideal, I think people just need a 'matchmaking' service to find a wingmate or two. If each day you could easily find someone in the same TZ/availability as yourself, and wants to fly in the same ship class/a complimentary setup as you were after at that moment, you would probably find loads of people happy to mix it up with a constantly changing bunch of fleetmates. As soon as they have a ship/setup they feel worth taking the risk on, they'll be out there flying & dying until they need a change of pace to cover the fun loses, or want to try another ship/setup they've skilled for/feel suits the changing meta.
My thoughts of a static corp are that people fixate on specific setups that outperform the average, that they find reliable, and will focus on using them and converting others to the flock, and min-maxing the fits around their strengths, rather than seeking another setup with comparable overall cost and abilities but very different hull sizes or tech levels. E.g. 3 nano BCs or 3 armour HACs are more likely to have a 4th person available in the same TZ pick up the same ship to ensure they're consistently able to field their gang each night, rather than swap to 3 frigs and a BS, or 2 t2 frigs and 2 t1 cruisers, or 2 frigs, 1 T3, 1 logi. A 10+ man corp based in the same game area and activity TZ is surely most likely to be together due to overlapping SP and ship experience and then ensure all are keeping up with a gradually raising standard for 'their' fleet than because they can each bring very varied options to the table and develop some round-robin/daisy-chaining of passing setups & knowledge.
If I could find a couple of previously-unknown-to-me people that were online when I could be, and some basic was to ensure they were similarly-minded & competent, I wouldn't mind taking it in turns to try each other's crafted setups, be that as the only lynchpin T3 or logi or t1 frig in a brawling or kiting gang. As long as there was some way to convey that '**** happens' or you all knew you were taking a big risk and that's why it looks like you performed badly, reputations would be able to be sustained so that you could hook up with another player or 2 the next day/week and still be as trusted to bring the full envisioned fit & fly your best to have the rarer fights.
A concete implentation might be that people can upload gang fits & key required skills to a site, along with a TZ window, and others can draw slots to fill such gangs. You'd be able to assess if you thought the idea would work, even discuss with the creators before committing to buying & turning up, but then once all are willing to give it a go, you know what you'll be trying & that it wasn't missing something/someone key, and had a very wide selection of similar and different fleets to take a slot for instead. |
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
15
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:13:00 -
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I really dont agree with you on the corp thing (well partly),while it may be true that there arent many higshec corps who offer pro pvp, with multiple fcs and awesome moral and skill, there are a lot of good small scale pvp corps in lowsec/npc nullsec!
And on the topic of finding fights, at the moment it is way easier to get a fight in lowsec than in nullsec (in general lowsec is way more busy than null), especially in a frigate (but the opponents in sov null are easier targets duo to beeing terrible at pvp)! |
Stukkler Tian
Raven's Flight Vanguard.
6
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:14:00 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:I really dont agree with you on the corp thing (well partly),while it may be true that there arent many higshec corps who offer pro pvp, with multiple fcs and awesome moral and skill, there are a lot of good small scale pvp corps in lowsec/npc nullsec!
And on the topic of finding fights, at the moment it is way easier to get a fight in lowsec than in nullsec (in general lowsec is way more busy than null), especially in a frigate (but the opponents in sov null are easier targets duo to beeing terrible at pvp)!
Basically everything he said, most people in null are terrible with frigs. I go to low to learn and get blown up,I live in 0.0 to get kills.
As for the E-honor my general policy is dont be a jerk and dont fly something you dont want someone to use on you, never bait for a blob in a ship you fly solo with, and if you smack in local keep it light and for the most part friendly. Having a reputation for being a good dude can go a long way towards getting good fights. (Especially if that reputation includes 665 ships lost in under 2 years of playing) Tear Farming only makes people want your tears and this breeds a cycle which is why those people tend to think all of new eden is full jerks and falcons, when the reality is its full of decent people.
I loved the blob is subjective part, And have a pretty good example.
I was in what was undeniably a blob, armor Battleships BCs carriers on standby the works (not proud of it but cant deny it) we dropped on a gang of 5 Cains on a gate called in the carriers and everything (again not proud it just happens). The obligatory good fights and apologies were exchanged in local and then some bystander started calling foul saying it was disgusting what we had done (no argument there it was) and that we had no honor because we didnt fight small gang like him. Being a usually solo pilot who is 9 times out of ten on the receiving end of ten to one odds i asked him to show me an example. The Small gang kills that this random guy had were a bunch of lone battle cruisers mostly pve fit that he had killed with 5 other tech three cruisers and two falcons. |
LakeEnd
FinFleet Raiden.
24
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Posted - 2012.08.16 07:30:00 -
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Most excellent, thanks again! |
Capqu
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
9
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Posted - 2012.08.16 14:48:00 -
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join xXpiZzAXx kil2 |
Cage Man
Evil Guinea Pigs
1
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Posted - 2012.08.16 20:13:00 -
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Great casts and video's. Be nice if you had a link on the first post to Kovorix's vid's. Not cause I am lazy , I just know he is feeling left out |
Kil2
Club Bear
355
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Posted - 2012.08.17 00:08:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:Great casts and video's. Be nice if you had a link on the first post to Kovorix's vid's. Not cause I am lazy , I just know he is feeling left out
Good idea. Edited OP |
Havak II
Four Pillar Production Dragehund
6
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Posted - 2012.08.18 06:04:00 -
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Still needing ammo types explained. There has got to be some standards, and of course gap rig could have been used. or this is what I was thinking. "Or these are the ships I see when jumping in what are you thinking at this point Kovorix. Hmm well since there are these ships i am thinking explosive ammo or some such. mabey not an episode. but mabey just add it to your disection of the fights you already do where you stop at jump in and tell what you are thinking of engaging, just throw in hey I look down i have the right ammo loaded because of X and Y factors. Or I have Y loaded and X would be better but not worth loading atm because of blah.
I dunno I am still learning ships and ammo types just seem hard for me to take in. But it feels like I am leaving alot on the table not knowing the best ammo for which ship type(odd fits aside) |
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
16
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Posted - 2012.08.18 08:22:00 -
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Havak II wrote:Still needing ammo types explained. There has got to be some standards, and of course gap rig could have been used. or this is what I was thinking. "Or these are the ships I see when jumping in what are you thinking at this point Kovorix. Hmm well since there are these ships i am thinking explosive ammo or some such. mabey not an episode. but mabey just add it to your disection of the fights you already do where you stop at jump in and tell what you are thinking of engaging, just throw in hey I look down i have the right ammo loaded because of X and Y factors. Or I have Y loaded and X would be better but not worth loading atm because of blah.
I dunno I am still learning ships and ammo types just seem hard for me to take in. But it feels like I am leaving alot on the table not knowing the best ammo for which ship type(odd fits aside)
read that for ammo choices!
http://fleeonsight.blogspot.de/2012/08/complete-guide-to-ammunition-choices.html |
Havak II
Four Pillar Production Dragehund
6
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Posted - 2012.08.18 19:19:00 -
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thanks reading it now |
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Blastil
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:38:00 -
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I just wanted to thank you for the podcast. I've been getting more and more into solo/small gang, and I've been enjoying my PVP a lot more! Creamed a rupture in a fed comet, and I've been romping around syndicate in my rupture killing indiscriminately. Thanks Kil2! |
Makro SSRI
dat corp
3
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Posted - 2012.08.20 23:02:00 -
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Excellent stuff in episode 18! |
Fellblade
Octavian Vanguard
8
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Posted - 2012.08.25 18:49:00 -
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Another great episode, guys. Keep 'em coming! |
Master Tarn
Hax. Zero Ambition
8
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:10:00 -
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kudos... again... Thanks guys! |
Kil2
Club Bear
358
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Posted - 2012.08.27 22:17:00 -
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Thanks for the feedback guys! Getting lots of great mails and love seeing the thread still getting bumps.
New episode for you - we ended up cutting it a tad short because kovorix internet was freaking out, but I think theres some cool stuff.
Look for next episode hopefully having another ccp guest to talk with us a bit =) |
Aicam
Just No.
0
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Posted - 2012.08.27 22:20:00 -
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the link for episode 19 actually takes you to ep18. |
Kil2
Club Bear
358
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Posted - 2012.08.28 00:08:00 -
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Oops sorry bout that. Fixed it. |
Havak II
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.08.28 04:33:00 -
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Loved the pod cast.
I saw Genocide by Zach Donnel and I thought, hey that is doable. So I built a cloaky loki exactly like his fit and I headed out into null towards little pockets where it showed a few pilots active.
Obviously I am a horrible newb and I scanned slow and had problems finding ships. It took me way too long and then they were always in a pos. After several hours I was bored to tears and went back to high sec. It was nice being completely safe and having the time to fumble over scanning for ships, and prolly the most fun I had was flying out of huge bubbled gate camps free to warp cloaked.
So it was back to trying to tank entry camps with bs and dieing horribly, watching the fraps and seeing what mistakes I made....besides the obvious one of trying to fly a bs.
I like the shield rupture and trying to kill tackle as I burn away, but mabey I will give the thrasher a try.
As always trying to learn to pvp~ Havak II |
SkipTrac3r
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
0
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Posted - 2012.08.28 05:42:00 -
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I am getting my BSB fill. Just listened to the last 3 (to me) and I find there is a new episode! FANTASTIC! Keep up the great work guys! |
Sam Hurtini
Teenage Mutant Ninja Tengu Damned Nation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.30 08:30:00 -
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in ep 13 you talked about the fight with the drake, cane and nado against protus. what was the nados guns AC or arty coz your saying 15KM for him? |
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Poision Kevin
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
14
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Posted - 2012.09.02 00:26:00 -
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When I'm bored, I watch your stream quite often, but if you are going tribute again and I see you I won't promise I won't go after you again :P (Sorry for that)
Great stuff though, as a solo roamer myself (Or small gang warfare occationally) I see many similarities in the way you do things to myself and can sometimes read your thoughts as per "normal procedure". |
Storm Jovakko
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.03 15:50:00 -
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Kil2 / Kovorix it is a pleasure to listen to your podcast and to "think about trying this stuff out". I also watch the stream and YouTube channel...so you guys are really good at delivering content using your philosophy.
I enjoy it a lot.
I would like to hear your views on:
- Being an FC - Paid for roams - join you guys as FC's for training for a nominal ISK fee - Out of game tools for Newbie and Vet - how to set-up a personal kill board - run a tournament - similar to ATX but with your philosophy in mind (ATX was fantastic) - how did you guys meet? same corp? ever fought each other? etc - Fit assist - use "fail-mails" to help solo players improve fit and chances of success
Kil2 we obviously know what you look like - Kovorix would be interesting to see your "mug" (face). Also interested to know what you both do for a living (no details) just the job.
Thanks guys, really enjoy what you both do. Storm |
Male Duckface
Club Bear
11
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Posted - 2012.09.04 19:48:00 -
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Sam Hurtini wrote:in ep 13 you talked about the fight with the drake, cane and nado against protus. what was the nados guns AC or arty coz your saying 15KM for him?
Kil2 flies an autonado. For fitting questions you can almost always check the killboard for your answer. |
Michael Saken
Corefire Industries Reciprocal Aegis
0
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Posted - 2012.09.06 13:28:00 -
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Inspired by BSB, and by just having learned Assault Frigates III, I jumped in my very first Hawk last night and began my first ever nullsec PvP roam. I tried to use some of the map techniques you've shown in your videos to decide where to go. I ended up in Etherium Reach and I discovered that the folks out there have a serious hard-on for anchored bubbles. After flying through about 4 systems with no pilots and bubbles all over the place, (some of which I evaded, woo!) I ended up in a situation where I warped to a gate 26 AU away with nobody in local. By the time I landed on the gate, Hurricane, Ashimmu, Blackbird had jumped in. I landed in a catch bubble and died before I could turn back and warp to the sun.
Lesson learned: Buy some condors, learn how to move around in null and dodge bubbles better before coming back in a Hawk again.
Any other advice for what to do when the sky is full of bubbles? |
Karmu Ivanostrov
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
3
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Posted - 2012.09.07 03:39:00 -
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Michael Saken wrote:Inspired by BSB, and by just having learned Assault Frigates III, I jumped in my very first Hawk last night and began my first ever nullsec PvP roam. I tried to use some of the map techniques you've shown in your videos to decide where to go. I ended up in Etherium Reach and I discovered that the folks out there have a serious hard-on for anchored bubbles. After flying through about 4 systems with no pilots and bubbles all over the place, (some of which I evaded, woo!) I ended up in a situation where I warped to a gate 26 AU away with nobody in local. By the time I landed on the gate, Hurricane, Ashimmu, Blackbird had jumped in. I landed in a catch bubble and died before I could turn back and warp to the sun.
Lesson learned: Buy some condors, learn how to move around in null and dodge bubbles better before coming back in a Hawk again.
Any other advice for what to do when the sky is full of bubbles?
Dscan... a lot... like your ship depends on it...
And never warp to gates directly, but I guess you figured that out...
Theres a very nifty trick to allow you to scan one of those awful ''+14 AU from everything'' gates.. It involves trying to warp and canceling the warp a few times until you have very small capacitor left (not enough to reach the gate in one jump) so the ship will enter warp, and come out of it short of the gate (sometimes several AUs short)... Stop your ship so it doesnt automatically jump again once it has enough cap, and dscan that gate... If you are lucky, there was a camp you just avoided... And start placing bookmarks all over the place...
Hope that helps! |
Kil2
Club Bear
364
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Posted - 2012.09.11 22:51:00 -
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Episode 20
CCP Fozzie joins us to talk about all things balance. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
1297
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Posted - 2012.09.12 00:10:00 -
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Five Hundred and Thirty Seventh! Game Designer | Team Game of Drones https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
30
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Posted - 2012.09.12 01:54:00 -
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ahhhhh you didnt talk about the caracal at all |
elitatwo
Congregatio
30
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Posted - 2012.09.12 02:33:00 -
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Yeay! Downloading right now! Thank you guys! |
Kil2
Club Bear
367
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Posted - 2012.09.12 02:50:00 -
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Warde Guildencrantz wrote:ahhhhh you didnt talk about the caracal at all
Somehow we really didn't spend as much time on details with the cruisers as I intended to. The good news is that I think Fozzie will be posting specifics in the forums before too too long (edit: I hope). |
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