pretty cool not podcast thing.

can definately see how this would benefit people who are less experianced with pvp.

i'd like to hear your views on target calling, and how you prioritise at the start and during a fight. (i know this was touched on in the fight example, but as a subject in itself)

anywho a good start hope it continues

monk

Yes, please don't be afraid of the reply button.

rage shiroi you got first on my own podcast

Thanks for the comment Zach, hope you're back/planning on coming back soon.

Most of us wouldn't expect that much of intelligence from a Falcon.

Most of us wouldn't expect that much of intelligence from a Falcon.

I have a question perhaps you could talk a bit about in one of the next episodes.
In solo situations, when do you take out enemy drones, rather than the enemy ship. When do you switch damage, and how much, just use your drones? maybe add a web?

Because I see in many videos, people have like 10-15 drones on them, and ignore them completely. And say even in active shield booster fits, with a smartbomb fitted, and 20 enemy drones working on your tank, they still don't activate the smartbomb (because its not worth the cap it would take?)

I'll second Aldap's request in hearing about taking out drones + heavy neut vs smartbomb or possibly both, sacrificing a gun even (OMG blasphemy!).

Also one topic that is of high interest to me is the process you guys go through to find regular good fights. Is it just pure luck or is there a certain amount of careful planning of routes and roaming times that you both find are more inducive to good fights against small gangs as opposed to blobs or empty space.

I myself was wondering if you fit differently for low sec fight than for null sec fighting. I often read about or see fit where people choose for an AB over an MWD and say its because they fight in low sec (to beat turret tracking in close range fights I am guessing). Or is this only relevant for frigs?

Really great stuff guys, I enjoyed listening to this today.

I have a small suggestion, if you are going to talk about particular engagements maybe you could link the kill board summary and fittings used on the other ships for completeness. Then people can piece together the battle from your commentary and from the final outcome.

Thanks! That's a great suggestion. We also thought about including the fraps separately.

oh and PS - please someone come up with a good name for us, we really can't figure that one out

Thanks all and thanks tordin - i'll definitely be playing more soon. As for FHC, somehow I don't think of them as the target audience for this stuff.

how bout a little bit on frig or low sp pvp? is it even viable? and when do you reach a point where your chances of success are basically only minimized by your piloting?

i am enjoying this far more that the other eve "podcasts"

how bout a little bit on frig or low sp pvp? is it even viable? and when do you reach a point where your chances of success are basically only minimized by your piloting?

i am enjoying this far more that the other eve "podcasts"

4th page snipe :P

Thanks a lot again guys!! I think the 3rd one will be a little more concise than the second. while i'm glad you guys enjoyed it we think there was a bit too much of an information barrage.



The reason we don't talk about frigates is partly because we don't fly them, as MS said. However, we also both think that frigates are actually not a good way to start solo pvping - virtually your only targets are other frigates, and often fights are over so quickly that it's hard to critique your piloting/know what you did wrong. Some people really enjoy frigate pvp, but I think of it as a different kind of pvp entirely - it won't really help you much with learning to fly bigger things.

As for low skillpoints, that's a more difficult question. Cruisers (rupture, thorax/vexor now too) are a good choice for 0.0 flying, as you can take on multiple frigates or learn to pick little things off larger gangs. You can also kill a lot of recons with them. But I think really battlecruisers are the best place to start learning solo pvp - even a cookie cutter hurricane or drake can give you a LOT of options for solo and take relatively few points to get into. Just make sure you have BC 4 and t2 medium turrets. I like to recommend Zach Donnell's solo4lyfe for some examples of what a solo hurricane can do.

Inspired by your podcast I refit two hurricanes I had sitting in Jita and set course for null.

The first one quickly died in a fire...

The second one managed one, two (afk in sanctum) and even three kills before meeting its doom.

Fun was had, isk was made (faction module drops \o/) and experience was gained.

Thank you for producing this podcast!

This has to be one of my favorite pieces of feedback I've ever received.

Nice job on the kills, I wish you many more.

It might be an idea to get BSB onto the EVE Pod Pack to get it a bit more visibility :)

Loved the info about active tanking, though I'm probably going to need to cross train to Amarr / Gallante in order to give it a go; Minnie cruisers / BCs just don't seem as suited, and I can't fly the Sliepnir...

One thing I noticed though is that you're always very quick to agree on everything or assure each other that what you just said is right. I wouldn't mind if you got into discussion with each a bit more often, since there are alot of questions that don't have definite answers and you might have different perspectives on them.

A note about falloff, at optimal + falloff you actually do less than half damage (was about 37% last time I tested it) due to the fact that it lowers the hit quality (light hit, etc) as well as doing no damage half the time. This seems to be accurately reflected in eft graphs now although they used to have it at 50% in older versions

Forgive me if this has been covered in Ep 3 or 4, but when you were talking about finding fights in episode two, I don't believe there was any talking about determining if a ship or gang is "engagable". When I was starting out, this was something I had a fair bit of difficulty with, that is, does my "x" beat the enemies "y"

'Engagable' has nothing to do with 'beats'. Do you really believe all the moviemakers start their fights being sure they'll win?

Something I think it would be useful to cover is MWD vs AB tied in with the selection of long / short point and / or web. E.g, I (personally) don't tend to fit an MWD on ships with a scram, as if I'm in scram range, they're in scram range as well.

It'd be interesting to hear your views on the pros/cons.

One more note regarding falloff: it's actually 6% DPS at optimal + 2xfalloff, not 0. It's possible to get some hits even at 3x falloff.

Also if you would talk alittle more about heat. Kovorix said "the repper burned out because of heat from the other repper that was on the other side of the rack which is wierd" Mabey if you could tell us how you fit your ships because of how heat is applied and how to use mods as a heat sink offline nos, if that even still works. any of those tricks that you take for granted and newbs like me have only herd of but dont know how to apply them and what advantages it has. Also mabey nanite repair paste? And how much thermodynamics helps and how critical it is to train to 4. or even if its worth training to five.

Episode 5?

So yeah, solo teaches you a lot about PvP and will probably mean you'll be better at it in the long run, but it can't completely replace gang experience.

Woot my first solo kill!

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15145314#mail

Halfway in the fight another stabber navy issue and a hurricane from the same corp jump in. I think If I had believed I could escape and had aligned I could have warped out in deep stucture. because the first stabber was the only thing pointing me. But yeah I was hoping both my nuets would turn off the scram so I could MWD but no dice. I did Overheat the whole top rack but only after my shields were half down. I should have overheated them from the start. I think its because I can't set them to over heat from cloak and then I am pushing other things and forgot. And when I saw more jump in on me. I was like thats cool I got this guy.

Now to figure out how to reship from null sec :P

Oh and another system I could not get around these two drag bubbles for the life of my pod. good thing it was 100k off the gate so all the hostiles that came and went as I tried to warp back and forth from different celestials and belts trying to get through just ignored me

Thank you again Kil2 and Kovorix for helping me get in some pvp in eve.

Correction. after watching fraps. My nuets did turn off his scram and his prop mod(or at least he went from 600 to 200'ish) and I could have left before the other two jumped in, but what fun is that. it was the second stabber that pointed me. but when I looked up in the fight I saw stabber and one point and assumed it was the guy I was about to kill. So I could not have escaped Kudos to those Pie rats

The loss- I had actually tried to scan that hurricane pilot a system or two back but couldnt find him. he was prolly looking for me and I ran into his backup.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15145417

You have inspired me to try solo, blobbing in drakes gets a bit boring. I have just switched my training so I can get T2 HAM's.
Question I have is it better to use kinetic missiles or EM when shooting shield tanked ship's like cane's, etc?

More episodes soon?

Hyperion - Several times I hear you go on about this ship as some kind of 'win-ship' but I dont get it, why? what does it have that the megathron or dominix cant do much better? You mentioned "destroying pirates with a hyperion" but deliberately not going in a hyperion to not scare them away... Video of this pls? or some explanation as to why you hold it with so much reverence.

Drakes also may not specifically plug EM damage, but given their generally high resists the difference between kinetic and EM will be less than the 25% damage bonus you get for kinetic.

Now, the Hype is a very special case since it's reputation is far better than it's actual performance.

That's a mistake. No matter how high the resist is, the percentage difference is still the same.

Say, base EM resist is 0%, base kinetic 40% (for the sake of simplicity). In this case kinetic missiles deal (100-40)*1.25 % of their base damage while EM ones deal full 100, so it's 75/100 ratio.
Let's assume he plugs in 2 invuls and his resists go up more or less this way: 50% EM, 70% kinetic. The damage output is now (100-70)*1.25 for kinetic and (100-50) for EM. The ratio is 37.5/50 - still the same.

Even in case you're doing like 0.1 damage per missile (due to sig/speed ratio or whatever) loading more suitable damage type will always give you the same percentage difference.

Thanks, I think I understand!

I love the raw unedited format

Whats funny is that I actually did edit quite a bit of it out =)... Left in the parts that seemed entertaining and took out the horrible awkward ones, haha.

Whats funny is that I actually did edit quite a bit of it out =)... Left in the parts that seemed entertaining and took out the horrible awkward ones, haha.

It is interesting comparing this approach to the normal format, though. I wonder if we would tend to get more entertaining shows this way and maybe more informative ones the other way.

Glad you guys liked having garmon on generally. We will look to do more of this in the future. If anyone has opinions about particular people they would like to hear from feel free to let me know. Ideas so far include some other prominent solo'ers like Prometheus, Fon Ravedhort(sp?), and it might also be possible to get some ccp people on. I wonder if CCP Tallest would consider talking to us about balance at some point =P

All said, I want to maintain the original purpose of the show which is to make small scale pvp more accessible and interesting, keep up the feedback and we'll see you guys in 2 weeks!

T2 ganglinks, on a maxed Loki, with a mindlink. 6.5km/s
Quafe Zero makes it >6.8km/s

389m/s before mwd

Hey, here's an idea of something you could add to this (already great !) podcast : a ship "review".
Each episode, chose a ship (one that is used a lot, preferably) and tell us what to expect when we meet that kind of ship. What are the most used fits, what should we fear about it, what are the weaknesses we can try to exploit...

Episode 6 was terrible.

Hey Kovorix (Kil2), I'm wondering what your thoughts are on warriors vs ec-300s in the blaster Talos while solo. I'd say I like the warriors more in general, but it seems to me like there'd be a few situations where having ECM drones would be your only hope.

Loving the show and vids of course! Hearing Garmon's perspective was very helpful, I think, but it's made me think that Loki bonuses are more game breaking than ECM at this point for small scale stuff. (It's funny to me how people were raging about the possible notion of being able to buy skill points etc for RL money, when buying a second account and a t3 booster/falcon/logi alt gives you such an incredible advantage already. )

Also before you think links or Lokis are game breaking, check out his losses this month.

That's a mistake. No matter how high the resist is, the percentage difference is still the same.

Say, base EM resist is 0%, base kinetic 40% (for the sake of simplicity). In this case kinetic missiles deal (100-40)*1.25 % of their base damage while EM ones deal full 100, so it's 75/100 ratio.
Let's assume he plugs in 2 invuls and his resists go up more or less this way: 50% EM, 70% kinetic. The damage output is now (100-70)*1.25 for kinetic and (100-50) for EM. The ratio is 37.5/50 - still the same.

Even in case you're doing like 0.1 damage per missile (due to sig/speed ratio or whatever) loading more suitable damage type will always give you the same percentage difference.

learn2math mister Fon Revedhort for CSM 7
you cant apply drake kinetic bonus AFTER enemy resists, so

>(100-70)*1.25 for kinetic and (100-50) for EM. The ratio is 37.5/50

its more like

100*1.25-70 for kinetic and (100-50) for EM. The ratio is 55/50

but also learn2drake mister Fon Revedhort for CSM 7

drake with 2 invulns is 66 EM 80 Kin
so the equation comes out to
100*1.25-80 for kinetic and (100-66) for EM. The ratio is 45/34

35dps difference on T2 fitted drake, thats more than a difference between shooting T1 and faction ammo

Ok how about for Hurricanes. Load ammo that hits thier resist hole or just use Explosion ammo??

This needs to stay on the first page.

You have my bump.

Better make this post useful - taking suggestions for a specific ship to focus on for part of this week's podcast, what ship do you want to know about flying and flying against?

Hey Kil2 and Kovorix!

Just got my first solo pvp roam done, thanks to you guys!

I was in a AC shield hurricane and i got two different cynabals into armor, before they warped out because of their superior speed.
Then i made a couple of stupid mistakes - which i learned from and will never make again - and died.

It was a lot of fun, i already bought a new ship, and will go out again tonight!

P.S.: I was almost always mwding away from the cynabals, to be safe myself. One of the assumptions i got was that a cynabal is a much softer ship than a hurricane, and i should of just went in for the kill. Am i wrong?

The scenario: i am aligning to the sun with mwd on, at 85% shield, 50km away from the gate which i came through from, cynabal in pursuit 20km away at 50% of his shield. Another cynabal and a hurricane land on gate therefore 50km away from me.

Should i have tried to just go in close to the cynabal, to finish him off? i would have been happy with the kill and inevitable death after that.

Thanks for the shows and the youtube commentaries!

Cool fight and difficult scenario!

You are right that cynabals are softer than the hurricane (typically about 3/4 the ehp), but they're also harder to track though due to small sig and high speed. Still, in a 1v1 you're experience was very typical - you'll win the dps battle but he'll virtually always be able to warp out.

I'm assuming your hurricane fit has no hard tackle (ie long point fit), so in my mind the only way your kamikaze would have worked was in the event that 1. he had put in enough mwd cycles to deplete his cap reservoir significantly and 2. you got in close enough to put enough neut cycles on him to shut his mwd off. Otherwise as long as he's relatively competent he would have been able to get away, leaving you to your death by his friends. I know it's not a nice answer, but in my experience all you can assume against cynabals when in a hurricane is the ability to force them off, not kill them.

Thanks for the answer!

I'm glad i didn't try the kamikaze now, i probably would have died much sooner.
Would a sort of bait, short point be viable to hunt mwd cruiser hulls?

And as a last question if you don't mind: AC or Arty hurricane for solo low sec roam?

Yeah, a scram would be better for killing cynabals and vagabonds and the like. But it also reduces your possible engagement range to things you can beat within 10k or so. So unless you KNOW you'll be facing a cynabal, I would still likely fit a long point when shield fitting a hurricane. As far as other ships, I find tier 3 BCs to be better cynabal killers - more damage, range, and speed (just hope they arent dual prop scram fit ).

As far as AC vs Arty, it's kind of a tradeoff between versatility and pure ranged damage. Because of the nature of solo, I'd take ACs in 95% of cases, but I think this might be a good topic of discussion for a future podcast.

Also I realize my response here in essence has been to fit cookie cutter. HOWEVER this is a questionable conclusion and something I'm looking forward to talking about more on the podcast.

Yeah, a scram would be better for killing cynabals and vagabonds and the like. But it also reduces your possible engagement range to things you can beat within 10k or so. So unless you KNOW you'll be facing a cynabal, I would still likely fit a long point when shield fitting a hurricane. As far as other ships, I find tier 3 BCs to be better cynabal killers - more damage, range, and speed (just hope they arent dual prop scram fit ).

As far as AC vs Arty, it's kind of a tradeoff between versatility and pure ranged damage. Because of the nature of solo, I'd take ACs in 95% of cases, but I think this might be a good topic of discussion for a future podcast.

Also I realize my response here in essence has been to fit cookie cutter. HOWEVER this is a questionable conclusion and something I'm looking forward to talking about more on the podcast.

Zach Donnell please make a new video.

quoting for truth.

Thanks for the kind words guys and yes haeri, i think you're getting the right idea there