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Daneel Trevize
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.14 21:32:00 -
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T2 ganglinks, on a maxed Loki, with a mindlink. 6.5km/s Quafe Zero makes it >6.8km/s |
Joe Space
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
5
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Posted - 2012.02.14 22:14:00 -
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You guys are doing great. Keep it up! |
wallenbergaren
University of Caille Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.02.14 23:36:00 -
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Daneel Trevize wrote:T2 ganglinks, on a maxed Loki, with a mindlink. 6.5km/s Quafe Zero makes it >6.8km/s
Weird.. I have that loaded in EFT 389m/s before mwd 5210 m/s with heated mwd
Full HG Snake Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link. Loki T2 links + mindlink
Setup is 1 nano in lows
Even had a friend double check it |
Daneel Trevize
The Scope Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2012.02.15 01:41:00 -
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wallenbergaren wrote:389m/s before mwd Bzzt, wrong. PyFA says 486m/s before using the mwd. I'm guessing EFT isn't giving the "Special Ability: 25% bonus to max velocity..." |
Rasz Lin
48
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Posted - 2012.02.15 04:20:00 -
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Episode 6 was terrible.
Garmon can have a lot of knowledge, but listening to him felt felt like listening to the sound of fingernails scraping chalkboard. Is he drunk? High? Autistic?
You knew it was stupid because Kil2 tried to translate, but even he could only understand half of it. Then at 80% you spend ~10 minutes reiterating same sentence without coming to any type of a conclusion (or even possibly agreeing on a meaning of it).
sad face. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
480
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Posted - 2012.02.15 05:05:00 -
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Dunno, I actually enjoyed episode 6, as my biggest complain is that Garmon sounded just plain quietly. I would have enjoyed it more if you asked him to speak up or just fixed it with editing (which is kinda tedious). Having all the talkers set their volume at more or less level benefits listeners quite a lot, I'd say.
Also, lol @ adrestia stats. Sounds like a blast. 40k scram? lol \o/ |
Havak II
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.15 06:56:00 -
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Garmon didnt ruin the final at AT. It was already over and won. that was just his victory lap. People just didnt know that the great fight that they watched before that was actually the final |
Kifette
Midnight Marauders.
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Posted - 2012.02.15 08:20:00 -
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Hey, here's an idea of something you could add to this (already great !) podcast : a ship "review". Each episode, chose a ship (one that is used a lot, preferably) and tell us what to expect when we meet that kind of ship. What are the most used fits, what should we fear about it, what are the weaknesses we can try to exploit... |
Kil2
Club Bear
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Posted - 2012.02.15 08:32:00 -
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Quote:Hey, here's an idea of something you could add to this (already great !) podcast : a ship "review". Each episode, chose a ship (one that is used a lot, preferably) and tell us what to expect when we meet that kind of ship. What are the most used fits, what should we fear about it, what are the weaknesses we can try to exploit...
If you listened to episode 6, you heard me mention a possible change to the format for next show, and what you have said is basically the exact change. Someone suggested this to me via eve mail and I like it a lot. I don't feel like we have room to add an entire section so I think for a few shows we will maybe try this instead of the mod section we've been doing in the middle and see how people like it.
Thanks for the suggestion =)
Quote:Episode 6 was terrible.
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TomHorn
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.15 09:41:00 -
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Enjoyed listening to these. Really enjoyed episode 6 and listening to Garmon great work guys . |
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LakeEnd
FinFleet Raiden.
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Posted - 2012.02.15 10:54:00 -
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I only recently found this podcast and I must say its a pure treasure chest of information. Thank you both for doing this, its really useful information and very nice to listen to. |
Haeri
Club Bear
9
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Posted - 2012.02.15 13:51:00 -
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Hey Kovorix (Kil2), I'm wondering what your thoughts are on warriors vs ec-300s in the blaster Talos while solo. I'd say I like the warriors more in general, but it seems to me like there'd be a few situations where having ECM drones would be your only hope.
Loving the show and vids of course! Hearing Garmon's perspective was very helpful, I think, but it's made me think that Loki bonuses are more game breaking than ECM at this point for small scale stuff. (It's funny to me how people were raging about the possible notion of being able to buy skill points etc for RL money, when buying a second account and a t3 booster/falcon/logi alt gives you such an incredible advantage already. ) |
Kovorix
Matari Exodus
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Posted - 2012.02.15 14:44:00 -
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Haeri wrote:Hey Kovorix (Kil2), I'm wondering what your thoughts are on warriors vs ec-300s in the blaster Talos while solo. I'd say I like the warriors more in general, but it seems to me like there'd be a few situations where having ECM drones would be your only hope.
Loving the show and vids of course! Hearing Garmon's perspective was very helpful, I think, but it's made me think that Loki bonuses are more game breaking than ECM at this point for small scale stuff. (It's funny to me how people were raging about the possible notion of being able to buy skill points etc for RL money, when buying a second account and a t3 booster/falcon/logi alt gives you such an incredible advantage already. )
I use warriors more out of some misguided sense of e-honor, but yeah I pretty much agree with you. The primary use of that drone space is to take care of frigs/dictors, and while warriors will give you a consistent but slow remedy, ec-300s will give you inconsistent quick-fixes. I actually really just don't like using the mechanic. If drones were just a kind of nice add-on for the ship like on a drake, I see the value. But when drones can be really decisive as on the talos, I like to know that I have a consistent tool at my disposal, not a tool that will just fail to work some of the time.
Also before you rate t3 links above ecm on the game-breaking scale, we can observe that falcon alts are still use a lot more frequently - I find it's uncommon to run into gangs with t3 outside major pvp hubs. Whether this is a matter of the market still catching up (falcon alts have been around a lot longer) or whether ecm is still the superior alt I can't say, but I think falcons are the better game-breaker. |
CanIHave YourStuff
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2012.02.15 17:57:00 -
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I think bashing someone for their accent is pretty disgusting.
Also before you think links or Lokis are game breaking, check out his losses this month. |
Kil2
Club Bear
147
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:17:00 -
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Quote:Also before you think links or Lokis are game breaking, check out his losses this month.
While I don't love where links are at, I do think what you say here is very important. People talk about links like its some risk free solution to pvp. In reality it takes a lot of investment. The alt takes a lot of time or quite a bit of isk (5-10b?) to aquire, and then you are facing 500-800mil in losses every time you mess up and lose one. I don't think cost is ever a great metric to use for talking about balance, but it does play a part. |
CanIHave YourStuff
In Praise Of Shadows
10
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:31:00 -
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I'd happily see links nerfed in some way but yes, they don't come without at least some effort.
The worst element of links at the moment is people that just live in a single system and use links and every other 'cheap' tactic they can, but pos up the second they think you have evened the odds. The typical null sec entry points, low sec hotspots, including the frigate plexes even as of late all have someone relying on links.
At least when you do small gang roams with them they have to squeeze through the gates just like everyone else.
Anyway, I enjoyed it and thought it was very insightful... not so much in the 'getting pro tips' kind of way but just in seeing how PVP is viewed in general by other people. It's clear Garmon... as well as you and Kovoriks really know your stuff.
It's much more positive and engaging than the nerf this whine about that which goes on on the forums. |
Haeri
Club Bear
9
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:20:00 -
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I definitely misused the word "game-breaking" here and came off looking like a whiny bitter vet, lol. I don't really have anything against people using links, or falcons or even ECM drones for that matter. The game is still tons of fun for me, and having those kinds of odds against you makes coming out on top so much more rewarding.
That said, I do think those are some mechanics that really need some looking at, because I think they're not being used in a way that was originally intended - eve players are too good at exploiting the rules :D But they're both kind of boring mechanics, especially ECM. And I think it's something that's especially damaging to newer pilots. |
Vixorz
Cabronazos
6
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:54:00 -
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Very nice work with the Podcast so far. Keep it up \o/
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Truffles Makanen
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:27:00 -
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Keep it up man! |
Rasz Lin
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Posted - 2012.02.17 03:42:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:Kovorix wrote:Drakes also may not specifically plug EM damage, but given their generally high resists the difference between kinetic and EM will be less than the 25% damage bonus you get for kinetic. That's a mistake. No matter how high the resist is, the percentage difference is still the same. Say, base EM resist is 0%, base kinetic 40% (for the sake of simplicity). In this case kinetic missiles deal (100-40)*1.25 % of their base damage while EM ones deal full 100, so it's 75/100 ratio. Let's assume he plugs in 2 invuls and his resists go up more or less this way: 50% EM, 70% kinetic. The damage output is now (100-70)*1.25 for kinetic and (100-50) for EM. The ratio is 37.5/50 - still the same. Even in case you're doing like 0.1 damage per missile (due to sig/speed ratio or whatever) loading more suitable damage type will always give you the same percentage difference.
learn2math mister Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 you cant apply drake kinetic bonus AFTER enemy resists, so
>(100-70)*1.25 for kinetic and (100-50) for EM. The ratio is 37.5/50
its more like
100*1.25-70 for kinetic and (100-50) for EM. The ratio is 55/50
but also learn2drake mister Fon Revedhort for CSM 7
drake with 2 invulns is 66 EM 80 Kin so the equation comes out to 100*1.25-80 for kinetic and (100-66) for EM. The ratio is 45/34
35dps difference on T2 fitted drake, thats more than a difference between shooting T1 and faction ammo |
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Jezs
Missions Mining and Mayhem Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2012.02.17 03:59:00 -
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troll success and 11th page snypa? |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
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Posted - 2012.02.17 04:11:00 -
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Rasz Lin wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:Kovorix wrote:Drakes also may not specifically plug EM damage, but given their generally high resists the difference between kinetic and EM will be less than the 25% damage bonus you get for kinetic. That's a mistake. No matter how high the resist is, the percentage difference is still the same. Say, base EM resist is 0%, base kinetic 40% (for the sake of simplicity). In this case kinetic missiles deal (100-40)*1.25 % of their base damage while EM ones deal full 100, so it's 75/100 ratio. Let's assume he plugs in 2 invuls and his resists go up more or less this way: 50% EM, 70% kinetic. The damage output is now (100-70)*1.25 for kinetic and (100-50) for EM. The ratio is 37.5/50 - still the same. Even in case you're doing like 0.1 damage per missile (due to sig/speed ratio or whatever) loading more suitable damage type will always give you the same percentage difference. learn2math mister Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 you cant apply drake kinetic bonus AFTER enemy resists, so >(100-70)*1.25 for kinetic and (100-50) for EM. The ratio is 37.5/50 its more like 100*1.25-70 for kinetic and (100-50) for EM. The ratio is 55/50 but also learn2drake mister Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 drake with 2 invulns is 66 EM 80 Kin so the equation comes out to 100*1.25-80 for kinetic and (100-66) for EM. The ratio is 45/34 35dps difference on T2 fitted drake, thats more than a difference between shooting T1 and faction ammo You can't subtract 70% (!) from 125 either, that's bullshit. That's like subracting energy from mass. By your logic, at 100% resist you're still doing damage (25 of it)
LOL
Instead, you should multiply damage by (100-resist)/100 coeficient.
Also, you should be comparing EM/kinetic damage application before and after invuls are fitted. And exact numbers are totally irrelevant. Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 |
Zach Donnell
Ghost-Busters
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Posted - 2012.02.17 09:48:00 -
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Fon is right, but a little confusing. I'd like to try to simplify this a bit, as these things can get important down the road. When you are beyond the 'initial learning' stages.
I used a drake with the following fit, simply for testing numbers:
[high slots] 7x HML II (with either Trauma or Mjolnir Fury)
[med slots] 2x Invuln II
[low slots] DC II 3x BCU II
rest of the slots are irrelevant for this test
Key drake resistances EM: 66% Kinetic: 79.6%
Resistances essentially mean, that that percentage of your damage is 'blocked.' 100-resistance is the % that gets through.
So in this case,
Shooting EM missiles from the drake you get 370 dps, 34% (100-66) of it will 'get through' = 125.8 dps Shooting Kin missiles from the drake you get 462 dps, 20.4% (100-79.6) of it will 'get through' = 94.25 dps
EM is much better of a choice in this situation.
It is misleading because while yes 79.6% kin - 66% EM is less than 25% difference, the key stat is that your effective dps ( the % that get's through) jumps from 20.4% to 34% when switching from kinetic to EM, which is a 66.67% increase, and is greater than the ~25% bonus to kinetic damage. (It's actually slightly more than 25% total, but that's for another discussion)
I am probably beating a dead horse at this point, but Fon and Rasz's discussion seemed to only make things more confusing in my opinion. Hope this helps. |
Laktos
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2012.02.17 10:31:00 -
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Thanks for explaining it in such simple terms zach. Makes it much clearer for people like me who suck at maths hehe (we seem to be in the minority in EVE Online :/ ). Latest PVP Video: Laktos Intolerance 2
Sard Caid does not endorse this message. |
Haeri
Club Bear
11
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Posted - 2012.02.17 10:43:00 -
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EVE Online - the only place where math majors could be considered "winners".
/me hides |
Truffles Makanen
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1
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Posted - 2012.02.17 23:14:00 -
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As i was sitting here thinking, i thought of something you can talk about in your podcast, now idk if someone has brought this up already, but maybe talk about what skills are essential to have for new people like if they want to go combat what are some essential skills that you need in order to fit properly, etc and whether or not you want to focus your training, etc. Just a suggestion. |
Andrew Goebel
One in Ten Thousand
0
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Posted - 2012.02.17 23:32:00 -
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Thank you for this podcast. It brought me back into eve. Which is good or bad. Whatever, you succeeded. Excellent work and keep up the good work. |
Havak II
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.02.18 01:24:00 -
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Ok how about for Hurricanes. Load ammo that hits thier resist hole or just use Explosion ammo?? |
cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers Initiative Mercenaries
26
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Posted - 2012.02.18 02:55:00 -
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Sweet podcast. I listend to the first part and im now on part 6 with Garmon. It would be great to have you guys do this years alliance tournament commentary together with Garmon |
Sard Caid
Gunpoint Diplomacy
25
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Posted - 2012.02.18 18:30:00 -
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Just finished the sixth recording.
I think the first half or so was brilliant - you were really able to pick apart the guest's brain and get some great back and forth going about various topics. I didn't like in the last 1/3 of the clip where there was the drawn out discussion about tornados vs vagabonds, then the rehashing of what Garmon was stating right after he stated things.
From his cries to stop I'm guessing he was tired, and talking for an hour and a half about anything is taxing, so perhaps try to do podcasts with different TZ players in their TZ, as well as planning to keep the recording shorter, then going longer if all participants agree.
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