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Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1089	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:12:45 - [181] - Quote woohoo for the flavor names coming back! really miss my y-t8s also like the 1/10/100, 5/50/500 split as that way I can just type 10mn and get all cruiser afterburners, or 500mn and get all the BS microwarpdrives. I do support moving the names around so they all have "flavor text, quality, size, type" so YT-8 Compact 50mn Microwarpdrive, that way a search for "50mn micro" will also show all cruiser sized MWDs. and "compact 5" will show all compact microwarpdrives. I do think there is some oddness with the meta 8 mods (think it is a typo). same cap penalty and speed bonus, but different cap use and I'm not sure the 450 vs 470 sig radius penalty, is a meaningful difference, oh right and doesn't apply to afterburners. the PG vs CPU tradeoffs have been there. oh and the cap use seems to be reversed by faction going from meta 8 to higher meta. domination is high cap use and gist is low, where serp is low cap and core is high? looking in game it looks like there is a typo there as the difference from tq value doesn't work. will defer commentary on the speed bonus to others. all I'll say is that I remember speed getting nerfed at least twice. @ChainsawPlankto
Miali Askulf Black Rise Freight 4	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:28:12 - [182] - Quote T2 MWDs still seem really underwhelming - almost worse than they are now compared to the restrained meta drive. Don't really see a problem with very high meta stuff getting somewhat faster (sure it's silly in combination with links/snakes/particular ships, but what isn't?), but keeping meta 0-5 where they are or lower would be good.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1089	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:28:31 - [183] - Quote Rivr Luzade wrote: Tiberian Deci wrote: Who on earth uses the search function on a regular basis. Even if you didn't know what the name of the mod is that you were looking for you could still search for "Microwarp drive" and it will bring up the relevant modules. If you're searching for "Experimental 10MN Afterburner" why the hell are you searching, you already know where it is just use the menu to get there. I use it nearly exclusively to find things in the market. I hate the menus, submenus, subsubmenues, expanding and collapsing menus. A simple "1MN A" in the search field and I get all I want. Same for "Javelin", "Antim", "Dram", "Cyna", "Provi", "Conflag", "Experimental" ... you get the picture. I do not understand why people use the menus in the first place. As soon as you have used modules often enough, you should have memorized their names and will be a whole lot faster with the search function to get to the modules than with clicking and scrolling through the menus. The only time when I find the menus useful is when I look for special things that I do not use often. I pretty much always use search, far faster to type a few letters (and for the most part that is really all you need) and get exactly what I want then to mouse through the browser. Although there are a few mods without standardized names that cause trouble, stupid meta webs. add in the new find group in browse tab button search is awesome! @ChainsawPlankto
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3223	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:36:35 - [184] - Quote As others have said, bringing MWD speed bonuses down a little would probably be a welcome change - start the meta-0 modules at 450% instead of 500% with the high-metas peaking at around 475-480 and it will help to bring some of the crazier speeds currently possible back in line. Maybe reduce the sig bloom in the same way to compensate. Post on the Eve-o forums with a Goonswarm Federation character that drinking bleach is bad for you, and 20 forum warriors will hospitalise themselves trying to prove you wrong.
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 659	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:41:40 - [185] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: ... Although there are a few mods without standardized names that cause trouble, stupid meta webs... I hear ya! My guess is that they will get to them at some point too. Tired of low and nullsec? Join Eve Minions and experience the beauty of wormholes!
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 659	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:42:36 - [186] - Quote CCP Larrikin wrote: CCP Larrikin wrote: Charlie Firpol wrote: A friend of mine that regulary flies boosted, snaked factionfit Garmurs just did the numbers. His Garmur will be 1440m/s faster after this, without heat. Hrm, Can I see you friends math? With a Gistii A-Type 1/5MN Microwarpdrive fit Garmur (faction, snakes, zor's custom, and max fleet bonuses) in KSpace I'm getting - 8606 m/s Prepatch > 8883 m/s Postpatch 12462 m/s Prepatch > 12514 m/s Postpatch Overloaded Woops, forgot Quafe Zero! With a Gistii A-Type 1/5MN Microwarpdrive fit Garmur (3x faction overdrives, high grade snakes, zor's custom navigation link, max fleet bonuses and quafe zero) in KSpace I'm getting - 9036 m/s Prepatch > 9327 m/s Postpatch 13085 m/s Prepatch > 13140 m/s Postpatch Overloaded Cough.. Black Hole effect wormholes.. cough Tired of low and nullsec? Join Eve Minions and experience the beauty of wormholes!
Warde Guildencrantz TunDraGon That Escalated Quickly. 1208	Posted - 2015.05.04 23:06:53 - [187] - Quote Instant +1 for Y-T8's return (even if it used to be a 10mn microwarpdrive, not a 1mn microwarpdrive) TunDraGon Director ~ Low sec piracy since 2003 ~ Youtube ~ Join Us My ship fits
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 2117	Posted - 2015.05.04 23:54:43 - [188] - Quote Quick version feedback. More work needed on Meta 0. CCP you need to work out what role Meta 0 modules should actually have and tell us. If that role is only to be used as a build for T2 modules and to invent from, fine, but be clear that's the intent. Otherwise they need a real role. Speeds, slow down MWD please. As suggested, 400% base, officers can stay at 500% I guess or even 450%. Need for speed meta is not good. (Missiles also need 'long range' ammo that goes faster and precision missiles should get more speed to help with the speed meta also). Naming. Should be able to search 1mn Compact and compare MWD & AB, to decide which you want on a fit. Naming needs to be in easy search order with fluff parts of the name not interfering with that search.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1467	Posted - 2015.05.05 00:10:55 - [189] - Quote CCP Larrikin wrote: Q: What happens to my meta (Limited/Experimental) modules A: This - "Experimental 100MN Afterburner I" become "100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner" First impression is that they are longer, meaningless names. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 5059	Posted - 2015.05.05 00:44:10 - [190] - Quote My thoughts: - Range them from 450 to 500, not 500 to 520. - Keep only 'cool' old names, not all of them. Cold-Gas is (IMO) 'cool'. Monopropellant? Just no. - Restrained is by far the best budget one - is this the intention? I suggest 400% sigbloom, 25% cap drain instead of 450/20. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Irya Boone Never Surrender. 450	Posted - 2015.05.05 00:51:36 - [191] - Quote Hummm i think the objective of "decomplexification" is not achieved here ... Please ccp you need to review the new MWD with the overoverover ships in the game orthrus, Worm , svipul ... I think a ship going at 7km/s ...it's just too much CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !! you shall all bow and pray BoB
Iroquoiss Pliskin Hedion University Amarr Empire 516	Posted - 2015.05.05 01:06:29 - [192] - Quote Phaade wrote: Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote: CCP Larrikin wrote: Charlie Firpol wrote: A friend of mine that regulary flies boosted, snaked factionfit Garmurs just did the numbers. His Garmur will be 1440m/s faster after this, without heat. Hrm, Can I see you friends math? With a Gistii A-Type 1/5MN Microwarpdrive fit Garmur (faction, snakes, zor's custom, and max fleet bonuses) in KSpace I'm getting - 8606 m/s Prepatch > 8883 m/s Postpatch 12462 m/s Prepatch > 12514 m/s Postpatch Overloaded Rekt. That said, now that you've differentiated MWDs, I proposed to reduce all MWD base speed values by 50, so A-Types get 468%, Tech 2 460% and so forth. Things are getting a little too Need For Speedy II. This man needs to be heard! Here's their chance. Will they deliver? I agree with other posters with respect to having a wider speed boost band between the different Meta MWDs. Base 500% in an OGB world is bad. // Turret-Equivalent of the Rapid ML Concept // Cruisers Online - [Damage done in PvP by Shiptype]
Zeus Cronus Hull Breach. Pirate Coalition 3	Posted - 2015.05.05 01:33:56 - [193] - Quote Ppl complaining about these ships going to fast sure as hell got teflon brains, or are just to young to remember.
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 185	Posted - 2015.05.05 01:37:59 - [194] - Quote Yet another gewn buff and huge south nerf. gg CCP Lapdog. I'm starting to wonder if I should get to finding ways of getting my subscription money back. And yes, I guess I'm going to unsub for a while, post-fanfest series of gewn buffs is overwhelming, CCP Lapdog really intends to give eve to one coalition. Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy. If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 660	Posted - 2015.05.05 01:40:12 - [195] - Quote Zeus Cronus wrote: Ppl complaining about these ships going to fast sure as hell got teflon brains, or are just to young to remember. Said the two day old troll and was never heard from again Tired of low and nullsec? Join Eve Minions and experience the beauty of wormholes!
Vic Jefferson The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple 267	Posted - 2015.05.05 02:04:08 - [196] - Quote Ship balancing is one of the most important issues to a fair amount of people - does the ship variety out there lend itself to fun match ups and interactions? Do we actually see people fielding a variety of ships? I don't think it does, and I don't think they currently do. People want visceral, bloody combat, especially with the new sov system supposedly emphasizing smaller gang warfare. It's going to be a real disappointment if we just see the same boring kiting line-ups all the time. People are tired of fights not happening because both fleets/entities are sufficiently agile to disengage at moments notice. It's not one thing that causes this syndrome, just a general continual selective buffing of speed, application and range. Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 5060	Posted - 2015.05.05 02:16:00 - [197] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: Yet another gewn buff and huge south nerf. gg CCP Lapdog. I'm starting to wonder if I should get to finding ways of getting my subscription money back. And yes, I guess I'm going to unsub for a while, post-fanfest series of gewn buffs is overwhelming, CCP Lapdog really intends to give eve to one coalition. ... ... ... most of the feedback from Goonswarm people in this thread has been suggesting changes to the proposed implementation. But don't let logic get in the way of a GRR GOONS rant! Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 185	Posted - 2015.05.05 02:57:00 - [198] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Basil Pupkin wrote: Yet another gewn buff and huge south nerf. gg CCP Lapdog. I'm starting to wonder if I should get to finding ways of getting my subscription money back. And yes, I guess I'm going to unsub for a while, post-fanfest series of gewn buffs is overwhelming, CCP Lapdog really intends to give eve to one coalition. ... ... ... most of the feedback from Goonswarm people in this thread has been suggesting changes to the proposed implementation. But don't let logic get in the way of a GRR GOONS rant! I don't see a flaw on my logic, it's gewns we're talking about - no matter how incredible buff they're about to get is, be it perfectly tuned for their bot miner fleets rebalance of null ores, capital nerfs, or ultra-safe afk/bot ratting environment Phoebe has brought, they will always try for even more. "suggesting changes" my ass... Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy. If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Mitch Ryan Zirconium Industries 1	Posted - 2015.05.05 03:07:44 - [199] - Quote Is changing all the module names actually necessary? Seems you like you are making more work for yourselves and over complicating things.
Galphii Caldari Provisions Caldari State 310	Posted - 2015.05.05 03:17:33 - [200] - Quote Uh, is the "compact" 100mn AB going to make it easier to fit those ridiculous 100mn AB tengu fits? Because they need to die. "Wow, that internet argument completely changed my fundamental belief system," said no one, ever.
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 185	Posted - 2015.05.05 03:28:45 - [201] - Quote Galphii wrote: Uh, is the "compact" 100mn AB going to make it easier to fit those ridiculous 100mn AB tengu fits? Because they need to die. Somebody has missed the T3 nerf. Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy. If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1092	Posted - 2015.05.05 03:30:35 - [202] - Quote elitatwo wrote: Zeus Cronus wrote: Ppl complaining about these ships going to fast sure as hell got teflon brains, or are just to young to remember. Said the two day old troll and was never heard from again well my crow used to go 10km/s and I think that was with a few 3% implants and a zors (and meh skills). Although I guess the polycarbon rigs cost 50mil each, or something. I think DHB's mach did 15km/s (possible overstatement, pre-first nano nerf, or maybe with links?), and I teamwork crow did 18km/s. that dude used to fit an Estamel's BCU on a crow for lulz have a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksOJQ5biQmI speeds used to be a bit crazy.... @ChainsawPlankto
Jenshae Chiroptera 1468	Posted - 2015.05.05 04:04:08 - [203] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: Galphii wrote: Uh, is the "compact" 100mn AB going to make it easier to fit those ridiculous 100mn AB tengu fits? Because they need to die. Somebody has missed the T3 nerf. Training the right subsystem(s) to V brings the ships back up to what people were flying them on IV. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore 2436	Posted - 2015.05.05 04:31:59 - [204] - Quote I thought there was a mathematical reason for 1MN, 10MN, and 100MN: the MN stands for million Newtons, and it's supposed to represent how much force is applied. Now the actual force value is 1.5, 15, and 150, but that is because an additional 0.5, 5, or 50 million kilograms of mass has been added. It's part of how the speed calculation works. Please leave the MWDs with the old numbers. But I would like to see a 2MN and 20MN variant of each, with matching stats. There are a few destroyers and battlecruisers that would love to use such modules. A Caldari is just a Gallente who begged to have their civil liberties taken away.
Sniper Smith Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 422	Posted - 2015.05.05 05:07:43 - [205] - Quote In general I like these ideas.. But I have a proposal.. We mess with PG, CPU, Activation, Penalty, and now Sig and Speed. How about dropping in a line with Overheat bonuses? Not just for these, but all active modules.. Less Speed, more sig, more cap, either better Overheat speed or better overheat sustainability..
Rob Kashuken Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 72	Posted - 2015.05.05 07:38:39 - [206] - Quote Add me to the voices concerned over speed creep. I think that increasing the meta level should only result in decreasing the fitting requirements and/or base cap usage. Whilst off-topic for this thread, is there any intent to look at a Tieracide for ewar modules anytime soon?
Zeus Cronus Hull Breach. Pirate Coalition 3	Posted - 2015.05.05 07:56:05 - [207] - Quote elitatwo wrote: Zeus Cronus wrote: Ppl complaining about these ships going to fast sure as hell got teflon brains, or are just to young to remember. Said the two day old troll and was never heard from again Oh sorry, didnt know that a 2012 char was a two day old troll... Why dont you go back to you cave, and try to not live up to the alliance name as fully as you do Those 88 kills you got on eve-kill really makes you an expert on the subject of this i guess
MukkBarovian Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion 41	Posted - 2015.05.05 08:09:07 - [208] - Quote I like it. I'm not worried about speed power creep because these changes are tiny. The differentiation of the different mods looks fine and somewhat interesting.
Diabolus Darkdoom Van Diemen's Demise Pandemic Legion 2	Posted - 2015.05.05 08:09:55 - [209] - Quote Why is there still no mention of 1000/5000mn prop mods for caps?
Rawketsled Generic Corp Name 188	Posted - 2015.05.05 08:17:13 - [210] - Quote Diabolus Darkdoom wrote: Why is there still no mention of 1000/5000mn prop mods for caps? Because why do you want to nerf the Phoenix more?

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