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Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems
Templis CALSF
332
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Posted - 2015.05.04 16:52:03 -
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Charlie Firpol wrote:A friend of mine that regulary flies boosted, snaked factionfit Garmurs just did the numbers. His Garmur will be 1440m/s faster after this, without heat.
And there you have it. |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
1142
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Posted - 2015.05.04 16:54:54 -
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Quote:With a Gistii A-Type 1/5MN Microwarpdrive fit Garmur (faction, snakes, zor's custom, and max fleet bonuses) in KSpace I'm getting - - 8606 m/s Prepatch > 8883 m/s Postpatch
- 12462 m/s Prepatch > 12514 m/s Postpatch Overloaded
and you don't see a problem here??????????????????????????????
Tech 3's need to be multi-role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists.
ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist, nerf sentries, -3 slots for droneboats
Nerf web strength, Make the blaster eagle worth using
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Radgette
EVE Irn Bru Distribution
97
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Posted - 2015.05.04 16:58:05 -
[123] - Quote
changing the faction and deadspace AB's to all be the same speed is a bad change.
It was a good choice that more fitting gave you more speed and that you had a choice of what you wanted from your prop mod. now the only choice is CPU or PG.
the MWD changes i guess are alright although the 5-50-500 thing i don't particularly like either it's better staying as 1-10-100
I really like the return of the flavour names I was one of the people who campaigned against there removal in the first place.
MWD's do not need more speed.
The guy earlier saying the difference between 500 and 518 isn't that much forgot to take into account skills, implants and links.
atm a 500% mwd with acc con 5 = 600% mwd, add zors it becomes 656.25%
so yes an 18% increase on the base is quite a large change once you start adding just zors. |
Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems
Templis CALSF
332
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:00:20 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Charlie Firpol wrote:A friend of mine that regulary flies boosted, snaked factionfit Garmurs just did the numbers. His Garmur will be 1440m/s faster after this, without heat. Hrm, Can I see you friends math? With a Gistii A-Type 1/5MN Microwarpdrive fit Garmur (faction, snakes, zor's custom, and max fleet bonuses) in KSpace I'm getting - - 8606 m/s Prepatch > 8883 m/s Postpatch
- 12462 m/s Prepatch > 12514 m/s Postpatch Overloaded
prolix travail wrote:Will the new modules be made from bpcs or added to the loot table? Good question! They are added to the loot table.
It's really disheartening that you see these numbers and think they are okay.
C'mon now... |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
Get Off My Lawn
937
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:00:47 -
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Please don't add the old-fashioned flavor names. Needlessly complicated.
Also, please don't increase the top end speed even more. Nerf the lower meta stuff. Ships are already too fast.
Finally, I'd prefer it if the Republic Fleet modules remained more cap efficient - that is why I chose them for many of my fits.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
534
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:03:23 -
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Bleedingthrough wrote:The absolute changes on speed for MDWs (103.6% for meta 14 compared to t1) seem a bit too low to make a meaningful difference. Why not go up to 600% total speedbonus?
Welcome back to the age of the Nanophoon.
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Elwha Lynx
The Red Island Foundation
Shadow Cartel
1
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:05:55 -
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The naming changes are a head scratcher.
CCP was doing the right thing in changing mods to a convention of "special-name common-name,
But here the most basic mods are breaking the convention by going to
"1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner"
instead of sticking the convention change of
"Y-S8 1MN Afterburner"
note the deadspace mods already fit the improved name.
Breaking that convention makes things more complex to search and comparisons and confusion to new and vet players alike.
Recommend sticking the improved convention... in other words : "Y-S8 1MN Afterburner" etc.
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lord xavier
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
62
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:06:59 -
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Reducing comlexity by changing 1/10/100 to 5/50/500. Yet, you want to make people open the market tree for prop mods because we wont be bothered to remember things such as y-59 quatum compact cold-gassed aerodynamical speed modication afterburner. Yup, makes sense to me. |
Escobar Slim III
YOLOSWAGHASHTAGDOLLARBILLZSWIMMINGPOOLICECREAMS
134
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:15:32 -
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As a noo player I was told early to fit 1mn on the frigate baots and 10 on the cruiser and the others on the biggers and I truly believe that changing the way we teach our future clone children to tell them at all said that we have to tell them about 5, and 50 and 500 I think we will confuse them.
And I thought that the CCP got ridded of the cold-gas thrusters because they made naming not particular easy for noo to remember then changed it so all had easy remembering. Now they change it back to cold-gas I don't understand make it harder surely? |
LT Alter
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction
-affliction-
160
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:16:17 -
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lord xavier wrote:Edit: Faction/Deadspace/Officer should also have substantial changes to make them actually fit to their faction names. Deadspace should scale a bit better and Officer shouldn't be just a "purple" version of the "blue" with the exact same stats. That goes for alot of officer stuff though,
This is something that is wrong with Deadspace/Officer mods, higher meta levels should come with more expense and more powerful modules. Right now they cost more and only the top tiers come with bigger bonuses than the Deadspace. I feel it is a good change to flesh out officer mods in a different way than Deadspace to give more variety and to make them worth using. |
LT Alter
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction
-affliction-
160
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:17:04 -
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Phaade wrote:Charlie Firpol wrote:A friend of mine that regulary flies boosted, snaked factionfit Garmurs just did the numbers. His Garmur will be 1440m/s faster after this, without heat. And there you have it.
By that I hope you mean, "And there you have it, another eve player that can't do the maths." |
elitatwo
Eve Minions
Poopstain Removal Team
659
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:20:09 -
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Harvey James wrote:Quote:With a Gistii A-Type 1/5MN Microwarpdrive fit Garmur (faction, snakes, zor's custom, and max fleet bonuses) in KSpace I'm getting - - 8606 m/s Prepatch > 8883 m/s Postpatch
- 12462 m/s Prepatch > 12514 m/s Postpatch Overloaded
and you don't see a problem here??????????????????????????????
I do, that fit might not do any damage at all..
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Sven Viko VIkolander
Friends and Feminists
345
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:20:43 -
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I agree with what other competent posters have said: the speed creep is a bad sign and has been increasingly hurting game play for almost 3 years. If anything, there should be a general speed nerf on microwarpdrives in particular and a larger difference on drawbacks/fitting requirements among the meta levels to make fitting decisions even more meaningful. Ever since the teiricide started, way back in Retribution with the initial rebalance of T1 frigates, almost everything got a speed boost and every has gotten faster in game, and it has not been healthy especially with the proliferation of links and faster ships added like garmurs etc. |
Charlie Firpol
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
311
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:23:59 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Charlie Firpol wrote:A friend of mine that regulary flies boosted, snaked factionfit Garmurs just did the numbers. His Garmur will be 1440m/s faster after this, without heat. Hrm, Can I see you friends math? With a Gistii A-Type 1/5MN Microwarpdrive fit Garmur (faction, snakes, zor's custom, and max fleet bonuses) in KSpace I'm getting - - 8606 m/s Prepatch > 8883 m/s Postpatch
- 12462 m/s Prepatch > 12514 m/s Postpatch Overloaded
LT Alter wrote:Phaade wrote:Charlie Firpol wrote:A friend of mine that regulary flies boosted, snaked factionfit Garmurs just did the numbers. His Garmur will be 1440m/s faster after this, without heat. And there you have it. By that I hope you mean, "And there you have it, another eve player that can't do the maths."
True, I should-¦ve calculated it myself...
He is bad at maths and his garmur is not going 1440m/s faster.
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Jessica Danikov
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
444
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:32:08 -
[135] - Quote
OK, this is a bit ridiculous, all this fussing over 1MN, 5MN, etc. Module sizes, with respect to ship classes, already have a standardized naming scheme: Small, Medium, Large. That's what we use for rigs, for micro jump drives, for shield extenders (but not armor plates, sigh). Microwarpdrives don't need a bigger number in their name to suggest that they're faster than an afterburner, it's intrinsic to the module type.
I understand the misgivings about speed creep, but as long as that speed is coming at an appropriate fitting and capacitor cost, I don't have as big an issue with it. Sure, it changes the overall meta, but it makes MWD choice that bit more meaningful, which is overall a step in the right direction. Maybe it'll mean more changes required elsewhere, but that is the nature of balancing: sometimes you tug at a thread and unravel a whole string of changes. |
Yroc Jannseen
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
114
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:33:22 -
[136] - Quote
When do we get 1000mn and 5000mn mods?
Give caps some love.
Also local capital hull reps but that's even more off topic. |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
733
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:34:10 -
[137] - Quote
CCP Larrikin wrote:Hrm, Can I see you friends math? With a Gistii A-Type 1/5MN Microwarpdrive fit Garmur (faction, snakes, zor's custom, and max fleet bonuses) in KSpace I'm getting - - 8606 m/s Prepatch > 8883 m/s Postpatch
- 12462 m/s Prepatch > 12514 m/s Postpatch Overloaded
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Bevici Roden
The Maythorn
0
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:35:57 -
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I do think that speed creep is bad. I would rather the meta modules get nerfed.
I do like the name changes, and the different 5/50/500 microwarp names. |
Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
224
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:35:59 -
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Jessica Danikov wrote:I understand the misgivings about speed creep, but as long as that speed is coming at an appropriate fitting and capacitor cost.
It's not, it's tied to meta levels and the higher meta modules are more or less better in every way. |
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CCP Larrikin
C C P
C C P Alliance
29
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:40:05 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Charlie Firpol wrote:A friend of mine that regulary flies boosted, snaked factionfit Garmurs just did the numbers. His Garmur will be 1440m/s faster after this, without heat. Hrm, Can I see you friends math? With a Gistii A-Type 1/5MN Microwarpdrive fit Garmur (faction, snakes, zor's custom, and max fleet bonuses) in KSpace I'm getting - - 8606 m/s Prepatch > 8883 m/s Postpatch
- 12462 m/s Prepatch > 12514 m/s Postpatch Overloaded
Woops, forgot Quafe Zero!
With a Gistii A-Type 1/5MN Microwarpdrive fit Garmur (3x faction overdrives, high grade snakes, zor's custom navigation link, max fleet bonuses and quafe zero) in KSpace I'm getting -
- 9036 m/s Prepatch > 9327 m/s Postpatch
- 13085 m/s Prepatch > 13140 m/s Postpatch Overloaded
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Tiberian Deci
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
131
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:42:33 -
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Aivlis Eldelbar wrote:Quote:Q: Why have you changed the MWDs to 5/50/500MN?
A: We want show there is a clear increase in power between Afterburners and Microwarpdrives. It also makes searching the market a little easier. This is going to get very annoying, very fast. You are making people type in two different strings each time they search for a prop mod in EFT or the market. 1 for frigs, 10 for cruisers, 100 for battleships, please keep it that way.
Who on earth uses the search function on a regular basis. Even if you didn't know what the name of the mod is that you were looking for you could still search for "Microwarp drive" and it will bring up the relevant modules. If you're searching for "Experimental 10MN Afterburner" why the hell are you searching, you already know where it is just use the menu to get there. |
Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
224
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:48:16 -
[142] - Quote
CCP Larrikin wrote:With a Gistii A-Type 1/5MN Microwarpdrive fit Garmur (3x faction overdrives, high grade snakes, zor's custom navigation link, max fleet bonuses and quafe zero) in KSpace I'm getting - - 9036 m/s Prepatch > 9327 m/s Postpatch
- 13085 m/s Prepatch > 13140 m/s Postpatch Overloaded
You might want to recheck that, it's obvious that the difference should be larger when hot. |
Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
514
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:51:58 -
[143] - Quote
CCP Larrikin wrote:Charlie Firpol wrote:A friend of mine that regulary flies boosted, snaked factionfit Garmurs just did the numbers. His Garmur will be 1440m/s faster after this, without heat. Hrm, Can I see you friends math? With a Gistii A-Type 1/5MN Microwarpdrive fit Garmur (faction, snakes, zor's custom, and max fleet bonuses) in KSpace I'm getting - - 8606 m/s Prepatch > 8883 m/s Postpatch
- 12462 m/s Prepatch > 12514 m/s Postpatch Overloaded
Rekt.
That said, now that you've differentiated MWDs, I proposed to reduce all MWD base speed values by 50, so A-Types get 468%, Tech 2 455% and so forth. 
Things are getting a little too Need For Speedy II.
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Hendrink Collie
Steel Fleet
Gentlemen's.Club
15
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:57:24 -
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Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:CCP Larrikin wrote:Charlie Firpol wrote:A friend of mine that regulary flies boosted, snaked factionfit Garmurs just did the numbers. His Garmur will be 1440m/s faster after this, without heat. Hrm, Can I see you friends math? With a Gistii A-Type 1/5MN Microwarpdrive fit Garmur (faction, snakes, zor's custom, and max fleet bonuses) in KSpace I'm getting - - 8606 m/s Prepatch > 8883 m/s Postpatch
- 12462 m/s Prepatch > 12514 m/s Postpatch Overloaded
Rekt. That said, now that you've differentiated MWDs, I proposed to reduce all MWD base speed values by 50, so A-Types get 468%, Tech 2 460% and so forth. Things are getting a little too Need For Speedy II.
I actually really like this tweak, an across the board -50% on MWDs. +1
Larrikin, what would that do to the above example, if you don't mind.
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Tyr Dolorem
Snuff Box
Snuffed Out
49
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Posted - 2015.05.04 18:00:21 -
[145] - Quote
I still don't think you've done enough to differentiate officer from deadspace. |
Ereshgikal
Strange Energy
The Bastion
47
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Posted - 2015.05.04 18:03:42 -
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Titus Tallang wrote:Would it be possible to keep the size and the "Afterburner" or "Microwarpdrive" together? It makes buying them easier (you can simply search for "10mn afterburner" and find all of them.
So for example "Cold-Gas Enduring 500MN Microwarpdrive" instead of "500MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive".
Besides that - I like it, and I think you've struck a good balance between conserving flavor and adding clarity.
Or you can use "500MN" since that would now be MWDs only....
@CCP:
I like all the changes; speed; names; fitting. Nice work! |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
1316
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Posted - 2015.05.04 18:05:33 -
[147] - Quote
In before garmur nerf?
Yaay!!!!
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Tikktokk Tokkzikk
Soteriophobia
The Periphery
213
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Posted - 2015.05.04 18:13:56 -
[148] - Quote
Phoenix Jones wrote:In before garmur nerf?
If my calculations are correct, my Garmur just went from 7,333m/s to 7,596m/s.
Can't say a buffed Garmur makes me happy. |
Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
224
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Posted - 2015.05.04 18:16:37 -
[149] - Quote
I'm really confused about the cap usage swap between RF/domination and FN/shadow serpentis ABs. There's absolutely nothing going for RF now except a few tf of CPU, why would anyone want to fit one with these stats? |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
439
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Posted - 2015.05.04 18:20:17 -
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In this rebalance pass, can we please get the tags removed from the LP as a requirement? I mean to create a 1MN Federation MWD, you have to spend 372M ISK to create it. |
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