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Dangeresque Too Pistols for Pandas 182	Posted - 2015.06.08 23:26:36 - [211] - Quote I'm going to say it again here, esp after the 70pg threadnaught: Told you so. Next time please listen to the feedback you asked for. (saves everyone involved from having an aneurysm) P.S. It also keeps you from getting your backside chewed out by your boss and your customers.
Mariya Oktyabrskaya State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.06.12 04:12:57 - [212] - Quote I don't mind the new icons, but i'm pretty sick of all the whining. Why don't you just open it up and give people the option to [re]assign all their own icons from the default ones? This way each pilot can tailor it to their own personal needs and fetishes, and have their overview setup as complex or as bland as they like. I'm sure there is room in 'overview options' window for another tab that spayse-nerds can bury themselves in...
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 197	Posted - 2015.06.12 16:20:05 - [213] - Quote Coloring every tab for player ships helps in combat situations for me, started using white highlighting for neutrals and no standing ships.
xo3e Genos Occidere Warlords of the Deep 72	Posted - 2015.06.13 19:38:30 - [214] - Quote Hi guise. here is my little feedback: current Drone brackets on SiSi are TERRIBLE, HIDEOUS. they are just INADEQUATE. you literally cant tell them from small stuff like frigates. Well, not only drones one, but all other is also very very bad. These brackets are so bad i dont even know how to describe it. seriously. i hope this will never get to the Tranquility. What do you think is the main purpose of the brackets? I think that it is to TELL ONE STUFF FROM THE OTHER, QUICKLY, in the heat of a battle. And currently this is literally impossible. thanks Signature removed. Navigator
Lost touch Mining Industry Exile Foundation Warlords of the Deep 24	Posted - 2015.06.14 19:42:21 - [215] - Quote Dont like it guys, just clutter tbh. Drones are aweful. Fla5hy Red the wrong way, only faster
Solutio Letum Quam Singulari Triumvirate. 215	Posted - 2015.06.18 05:38:48 - [216] - Quote Rudy U wrote: by any chance.... can be optional? Let say... who ever want the old icons can just select it? PLEASE SAY YES!!! I've done enough programming to realize this is a terrible idea, keeping old ui's means having to keep supporting older icons, means keeping support for holding gui interfaces, means having to build 2 - 4 programs are once, there's a reason why internet explorer failed, web developers had to support multiple different versions of ie, customers never had newer versions which worked much better because older browsers had split support. Has soon has they add something like more logic to newer icons, they'll have to make those changes backward compatible, logic being something like different sorting options or different graphical merging features. If they made an api to let users chose there ui's then it would definitely be there choice, but ccp all ready declared not allowing mods in game, or open sourcing any of there client side code. So it's not really an viable option unless enough customers actually ask for this, instead of backwards compatibility supported by them directly. I personally got used to the new icons and i think they're fine, i disagree with anything having to make GUI changes all backwards compatible, it would restrict what they could do a lot and increase maintenance cost.
Torgeir Hekard I MYSELF AND ME 172	Posted - 2015.06.18 06:26:31 - [217] - Quote Solutio Letum wrote: I personally got used to the new icons and i think they're fine, i disagree with anything having to make GUI changes all backwards compatible, it would restrict what they could do a lot and increase maintenance cost. Just let users choose an icon for each ship class (from a predefined set of icons not tied to anything specific. Like it's now done with background colours) and make defaults unless specified otherwise. Problem solved. Restrictions lifted.
Joia Crenca Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 175	Posted - 2015.06.23 15:25:18 - [218] - Quote CCP Surge had indicated improvements to be made to the current set of icons. I haven't anything yet however, and today's patch must have been for some background / under the hood items, as I don't any effect from it. Hopefully they improved icons will be seen in test, and CCP will let players know about it so the ones that couldn't play anymore because of physical pain will return.

CCP Claymore C C P C C P Alliance 178	Posted - 2015.06.24 16:06:36 - [219] - Quote Joia Crenca wrote: CCP Surge had indicated improvements to be made to the current set of icons. I haven't anything yet however, and today's patch must have been for some background / under the hood items, as I don't any effect from it. Hopefully they improved icons will be seen in test, and CCP will let players know about it so the ones that couldn't play anymore because of physical pain will return. Yeah, they are not on SISI yet, hopefully late tomorrow or Friday. We will absolutely let you know as soon as they land so you can let us know if they are helping the affected players. Quality Assurance Analyst Team Game of Drones

elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 694	Posted - 2015.06.24 16:09:12 - [220] - Quote You kinda broke the ballistic control unit icon, please repair it so I can look at it again. Tired of low and nullsec? Join Eve Minions and experience the beauty of wormholes!


CCP Claymore C C P C C P Alliance 179	Posted - 2015.06.25 09:19:40 - [221] - Quote elitatwo wrote: You kinda broke the ballistic control unit icon, please repair it so I can look at it again. This thread is not about those icons, but if you can elaborate then I can pass it on? Even better, please enter a defect through the F12 menu and we can take a look. Quality Assurance Analyst Team Game of Drones

Lil' Brudder Too Pistols for Pandas 216	Posted - 2015.06.25 15:05:29 - [222] - Quote CCP Claymore wrote: Yeah, they are not on SISI yet, hopefully late tomorrow or Friday. We will absolutely let you know as soon as they land so you can let us know if they are helping the affected players. Are there any plans to reduce the sheer number of superfluous icons, ie, all the separate sizes of asteroids/ice? (among many others) Because last i checked, those weren't really needed by a miner who "needs to make snap judgements about the tactical situation" on which rock to mine...when they are likely using a Survey Scanner anyways. Plus it just clutters up the overview and masks when a player ship arrives...since it used to be that the only things in belts that had icons were players...which made it quite obvious that someone warped in on you. Incase you are wondering (probly not given the recent attitudes), there are alot of players who gave you lots of hours of their own personal time to prepare good constructive feedback last time, between me and my brother we put in 30-40 hours just for the icon feedback (including the "you have to find all the icons to see them" fiasco), that will likely not be troubling themselves with another massive set of hours/days of their personal time. In most cases its because their accounts are expired/ing long before any real change will come about. PS: You had a full months worth of feedback from the last (current) set...even more if you count the feedback that is still valid from the previous "icon for every individual everything ever" set....and you didn't use any of it. What makes us believe that you will use less than a weeks worth? New Icon SiSi feedback thread that got wholly ignored! An example of that a good ship icon set looks like.

CCP Claymore C C P C C P Alliance 180	Posted - 2015.06.26 09:29:53 - [223] - Quote Bracket and Overview icon changes are up on SISI. Reduced number of drone icons. Blue and filled friendly NPC. Thicker line strokes so 90% should be a little better. Quality Assurance Analyst Team Game of Drones

Aeon Veritas Lobach Inc. Easily Offended 10	Posted - 2015.06.26 09:48:35 - [224] - Quote CCP Claymore wrote: Bracket and Overview icon changes are up on SISI. Reduced number of drone icons. Blue and filled friendly NPC. Thicker line strokes so 90% should be a little better. just for clarification, are all NPC filled or only friendly? General module tiericide thoughts
Darkblad Hilf Dir selbst in EVE 1071	Posted - 2015.06.26 09:52:18 - [225] - Quote Aeon Veritas wrote: just for clarification, are all NPC filled or only friendly? Quote from here: Darkblad wrote: Sisi build 909753 just got deployed with this change to no hostile brackets - as well as some hostile NPC cruisers. Shot the Overview, Dark Matther theme, no transparency and window blur off, window not pinned. UI Scale @ 100% Loors kind of teal to me. I wonder how this will blend with limited engagements. EVE Infolinks GÇó Mining Guide GÇó Missions (EN & DE)

CCP Claymore C C P C C P Alliance 180	Posted - 2015.06.26 10:13:33 - [226] - Quote Aeon Veritas wrote: CCP Claymore wrote: Bracket and Overview icon changes are up on SISI. Reduced number of drone icons. Blue and filled friendly NPC. Thicker line strokes so 90% should be a little better. just for clarification, are all NPC filled or only friendly? My bad, it is ALL NPC that are filled. Quality Assurance Analyst Team Game of Drones

Darkblad Hilf Dir selbst in EVE 1076	Posted - 2015.06.26 14:14:21 - [227] - Quote Except for sentry guns, right? If my eyes did'nt play tricks on me, the filled area of gate sentries are less oqaque when compared to ships. EVE Infolinks GÇó Mining Guide GÇó Missions (EN & DE)

CCP Claymore C C P C C P Alliance 181	Posted - 2015.06.26 14:52:31 - [228] - Quote Darkblad wrote: Except for sentry guns, right? If my eyes did'nt play tricks on me, the filled area of gate sentries are less oqaque when compared to ships. Sentries are not filled as they are structures, if this is confusing we could maybe look into filling them? Quality Assurance Analyst Team Game of Drones

Darkblad Hilf Dir selbst in EVE 1077	Posted - 2015.06.26 14:57:50 - [229] - Quote No confusion on my side, I just wanted to verify that. EVE Infolinks GÇó Mining Guide GÇó Missions (EN & DE)
Masao Kurata Perkone Caldari State 259	Posted - 2015.06.26 15:08:24 - [230] - Quote I'm confused about why sentry guns were changed to blue too, this looks very strange as they're a different colour than the structure they protect.


CCP Claymore C C P C C P Alliance 181	Posted - 2015.06.26 16:11:26 - [231] - Quote Masao Kurata wrote: I'm confused about why sentry guns were changed to blue too, this looks very strange as they're a different colour than the structure they protect. ...actually, this friendly blue(ish) colour is making me wonder... could you make it a different colour if they're hostile towards you because of security status, faction standing, militia and recent criminal activity? It's pretty weird to have NPCs that are actively hostile towards you be blue. But they are only actively hostile if you have been a naughty boy, where the ones in missions and anomalies are just out to kill you. We are going to leave these as blue just now, but we are thinking we should put the fill on them as well. Quality Assurance Analyst Team Game of Drones

Masao Kurata Perkone Caldari State 259	Posted - 2015.06.26 16:47:29 - [232] - Quote CCP Claymore wrote: But they are only actively hostile if you have been a naughty boy, where the ones in missions and anomalies are just out to kill you. Naughty boys should get nice things too, this is EVE. More seriously think about how confusing this would be for a new player who has, say, just came back from a fleet where he podded a guy or two and is now -3 or joins a militia corporation and goes a few jumps over to enemy space. It would be very helpful if NPCs that will attack you are red regardless of whether they'll attack just anyone.
Fzhal Tessaract Industries 34	Posted - 2015.06.26 17:04:21 - [233] - Quote CCP Claymore wrote: Masao Kurata wrote: ...actually, this friendly blue(ish) colour is making me wonder... could you make it a different colour if they're hostile towards you because of security status, faction standing, militia and recent criminal activity? It's pretty weird to have NPCs that are actively hostile towards you be blue. But they are only actively hostile if you have been a naughty boy, where the ones in missions and anomalies are just out to kill you. We are going to leave these as blue just now, but we are thinking we should put the fill on them as well. Ya know... (I'm sure you've heard this countless times) If you gave us the ability to change the outline and fill colors the same way we can configure our overview, the icon design nuances would be a lot less important because. On fast moving things, color is a much better way to convey information than fine-detail things like icons and text. Honestly, I don't even bother looking at the icon in space, unless max-zoomed out, because even very different icons are too hard to differentiate at high speeds. Except for some exceptions, our eyes/brains are hard-wired to prioritize our attention in a very predictable manner. Everyone knows that red is at the top, of course. We all totally understand whyhostile NPCs need to be red by default for new players. The problem really becomes important when you start ratting in hostile space. Your eyes are programmed to first focus on that bright red NPC. Once I started doing PvP, I wished that I could change the icon colors. It has been a gripe of mine forever...
Masao Kurata Perkone Caldari State 260	Posted - 2015.06.26 17:08:57 - [234] - Quote Fzhal wrote: Everyone knows that red is at the top, of course. We all totally understand whyhostile NPCs need to be red by default for new players. The problem really becomes important when you start ratting in hostile space. Your eyes are programmed to first focus on that bright red NPC. Once I started doing PvP, I wished that I could change the icon colors. It has been a gripe of mine forever... Very true, one of the first things I did when I started playing was set a background colour for pilots with no standing so they'd immediately stand out on my overview... with the unfortunate consequence that any container owned by me got this background too because I had no standing toward myself.
Joia Crenca Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 196	Posted - 2015.06.26 23:11:07 - [235] - Quote I'm thinking that 'blue hostiles' does sound needlessly confusing.
Captain Semper The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx 77	Posted - 2015.06.27 06:22:12 - [236] - Quote CCP Claymore wrote: Bracket and Overview icon changes are up on SISI. Reduced number of drone icons. Blue and filled friendly NPC. Thicker line strokes so 90% should be a little better. CCP Claymore! Please! Hear me! The most problem with drones that they always OVER any other brekets. Naga closer to me then drone. Just make their priority very low. 1-st i want to see ship brekets over other else. No matter how far or close they are.
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 3747	Posted - 2015.06.28 05:47:06 - [237] - Quote Why do we have 8 icons for asteroids when 1 was previously sufficient? Oh god.
Blue Harrier 208	Posted - 2015.06.28 12:57:54 - [238] - Quote You wanted information from a colour blind user, well this is mine, make the most of it as my last account expires on Thursday. First test was on my HP laptop, 1366768, Intel Iris Graphics, AA Disabled, Shadows Disabled, everything else on Low, Theme Guristas. The new faint blue shaded icons are just visible in space and visible on the overview but the Gate Guns and Missile Batteries could really use a slightly larger icon. When the Missile Batteries are hostile and red I cannot see them when in space or on the overview. The Cruiser icons are the smallest icon I can see when red either in space or on the overview. Frigate icons are none existent in any setting, however they do show up in space when selected in the overview by the white circle around them. The next two tests I shall combine as they gave similar results, both used Nvidia graphics, one was a 23GÇ¥ 1610 screen, one a 27GÇ¥ 16*9 screen. Settings as above but all others are on High. The new faint blue shaded icons are visible in space and visible on the overview but the Gate Guns and Missile Batteries could really use a slightly larger icon. When the Missile Batteries are hostile and red I cannot see them when in space but they are just visible on the overview. The Cruiser icons are the smallest icon I can see when red either in space or on the overview, this icon is really the smallest icon size I can safely see when red. Frigate icons are none existent in space however they do show up when selected in the overview by the white circle around the in space icon. Frigate icons can just be seen in the overview but I need to concentrate to be able to differentiate the tiny icons from others especially if there are many and varied icons on the overview. Telling the frigate icon from a missile battery is very difficult unless I squint at the screen. Part one of two. "You wait - time passes, Thorin sits down and starts singing about gold." from The Hobbit on ZX Spectrum 1982.
Blue Harrier 208	Posted - 2015.06.28 13:05:39 - [239] - Quote Part two of two The rest of this report applies to all the screen tests I did. The Sensor Overlay has three icons for Signatures, Landmarks and Anomalies, the Signature is very faint on the menu and almost impossible to see when in space, it is only the large circle surrounding it that gives it away. The Anomaly and Landmark icons in the Sensor Overlay menu are almost the same colour to me and only have a brightness difference when alongside each other. The in space representation of the icons are different because the Anomaly icon is very dim against the bright icon of the Landmark. So what would help me, IGÇÖm not saying this will help others you will have to wait for their input to evaluate that. I noticed while testing that frigate icons sometimes have 4 small GÇÿpointersGÇÖ at each corner of the icons, these are very faint, if these could be made bright for none hostile and say changed to the same colour as the GÇÿpointersGÇÖ on the landmark icons for hostiles, now that would be excellent. If they could be added to every hostile ship icon (just for colour blind people) that would help a lot. The biggest thing I did notice while testing was GÇÿin space clutterGÇÖ, most of this was caused by myself not having my overview set up correctly (as kindly and politely pointed out in another thread). ItGÇÖs not always the overview that is the problem but the Brackets that cause the problem. To see everything in space we need GÇÿAll Brackets OnGÇÖ but this gives rise to clutter. When we select a selection of ships, objects, whatever on the overview and then save that as a GÇÿPresetGÇÖ then only those icons will show in space, OK so far? However what we donGÇÖt have at the moment is an easy way to save a GÇÿBrackets PresetGÇÖ so we can load an overview Preset setting of say GÇÿCombatGÇÖ and a Brackets setting of only XX ships, to highlight only those ships you need to concentrate on at the time. I know it can be done but itGÇÖs a long winded way of doing it and there are so many new icons that selecting the ones you need can be confusing to say the least. There are often times when you need something to appear on the overview but not GÇÿin spaceGÇÖ to reduce the clutter. I donGÇÖt know if it would be possible or feasible to add an icon next to each ship (all items?) in the overview selection menu with a tick box to select it, then a GÇÿSave Brackets PresetGÇÖ with a name box etc would be ideal. That way we would have an easy way of matching an item with an icon if you see what I mean. And it might/would help the learning process. ThatGÇÖs it, nothing else to say except good luck everyone, no you canGÇÖt have my stuff, and I will keep an eye on the forums to see if I might return in the future, Regards BH. "You wait - time passes, Thorin sits down and starts singing about gold." from The Hobbit on ZX Spectrum 1982.
epicurus ataraxia Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude 1741	Posted - 2015.06.28 20:35:46 - [240] - Quote Well, this is a place I never expected us to end up in. Firstly, Sisi is an improvement, but I find myself sharing experiences with the colour blind users! Anything (icon wise) smaller than a cruiser, is simply painful. I have held class one CAA medicals, I aced RAF eyesight tests for fast Jets (path not followed Doh!) and the only minor eyesight problems I ever had were age related in needing reading glasses. I am now seriously questioning has my eyesight massively degraded? And why only in EVE? I have an specialists appointment tomorrow to confirm this once and for all! (Worth doing for anyone as they age regardless) IF I get the all clear, EVE will be a part of my history, as no way will I tolerate my vision being messed with because of poor design. That is all. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE



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