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Reatu Krentor Minmatar Void Spiders Fate Weavers	Posted - 2006.11.19 15:14:00 - [181] Originally by: Crellion Originally by: Tuxford We can always remove some launcher slots from the ferox if that boosts the drake for you. Drake is fine. Kinetic damage is fine. Spouting ** like "kinetic damage sucks" is just bull** and you know it. Even so I bet Amarrians would love to be able to take a 25% damage drop and do explosive damage. The ship is fine and if you can't make it work its not the ship that sucks. I can see the yellow stuff all around this post but I cant bring myself to believe a Dev posted it... Did you 6 year old brother/neigbour/friend take a hold of your loggins or what???? You don't seem to realise all the crap Tuxford got spoonfed by the community because of the changes to the Hurricane and Drake changes. I think Tux' reaction is perfectly understandable. After all he is not the only one making the changes, there is a whole team discussing game balance/making changes, except that Tuxford gets the thankless job of posting/discussing it with the community at large. How would you feel when you keep getting insulted and called a moron that shouldn't even touch a computer with a 20 foot pole?! And you know what? Now people are whining/insulting him because he got annoyed at them... And even more? If he hadn't responded, what would have happened is that people would whine he doesn't care or that they don't tell us what they are doing to the game... If anyone would act like some members of this forum have against tux face to face to me, I would likely punch em in the face . And I don't get angry easily . RK Crystal-Slave, that way? Potential solution to the current Recon cloak and cyno bug
Altehea Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.11.19 15:26:00 - [182] I'm sorry to see Tuxford getting slapped so hard, he's doing his best according to the instructions he gets from his senior developpers, but still, he messed up with the Drake and either the 7th launcher or the RoF bonus must come back. Caldari deserve a gank ship. Big time and long time. It doesn't matter, honestly, if it's the Drake or if another ship gets modified like a full turrets Ferox or Eagle or you name it, be it missile or turret ship (since minmatarr and caldari are in the same boat when it comes to skill trainings unlike amarr and gallente who have it easy, but... nm...) I think what brought the 'incompetent' comments is that the Drake came to Sisi like it was in the first place. If the ship was so overpowered that it had to be nerfed so hard, one can ask why it came out of the drawing board in that state? That's simply unbelievable. Arguing about the usefulness of a kinetic bonus (it hurts just writing it ) or tankability or whatever will lead us nowhere. Caldari want a gank ship. Let me rephraze that: Caldari want a ship with top notch DPS. They don't give a **** about tanking or turrets/missile or anything, just a ship that deals sheer damage. ATM they have to fly another race to get a high DPS ship and that is just plain wrong (let's not derail this in yet another Raven hate/love thread, shall we?). So guys, give Tux a break, he has to deal with us as we have to deal with him, let's just work together so Caldari get the 'missing link' they've been looking for for so long. Sit back, take a breath, have a wan... er walk and let's everybody have fun in this great game. Peace.
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.19 15:27:00 - [183] Originally by: Reatu Krentor Originally by: Crellion Originally by: Tuxford We can always remove some launcher slots from the ferox if that boosts the drake for you. Drake is fine. Kinetic damage is fine. Spouting ** like "kinetic damage sucks" is just bull** and you know it. Even so I bet Amarrians would love to be able to take a 25% damage drop and do explosive damage. The ship is fine and if you can't make it work its not the ship that sucks. I can see the yellow stuff all around this post but I cant bring myself to believe a Dev posted it... Did you 6 year old brother/neigbour/friend take a hold of your loggins or what???? You don't seem to realise all the crap Tuxford got spoonfed by the community because of the changes to the Hurricane and Drake. That should make no difference. He's in a job that he knows is going to make unpopular choices, and he is a representative of a company for which we are all paying customers. There's really no excuse for him taking a tone that would get warning from mods if posted by anyone else. And it would have been JUST as easy to post the same sentiment (ship is fine) without all the insults. --- I don't mind you disagreeing with me. Just don't say I don't have the SKILLS to comment until you've looked at them.
The Armin Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.19 15:40:00 - [184] Originally by: Altehea when it comes to skill trainings unlike amarr and gallente who have it easy, but... nm...) I stopped reading here. wts: clue. Oh and you have gankships. Your new railtoy can outperform any other turret based ship, and Cerberus still rocks. Crow and Raven is still EvE on easy mode.
Statics A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.11.19 16:15:00 - [185] Originally by: The Armin Originally by: Altehea when it comes to skill trainings unlike amarr and gallente who have it easy, but... nm...) I stopped reading here. wts: clue. Oh and you have gankships. Your new railtoy can outperform any other turret based ship, and Cerberus still rocks. Crow and Raven is still EvE on easy mode. Maybe he should have said we want an AFFORDABLE ship that can DPS. ----------
Crellion Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 16:17:00 - [186] Originally by: Reatu Krentor Originally by: Crellion Originally by: Tuxford We can always remove some launcher slots from the ferox if that boosts the drake for you. Drake is fine. Kinetic damage is fine. Spouting ** like "kinetic damage sucks" is just bull** and you know it. Even so I bet Amarrians would love to be able to take a 25% damage drop and do explosive damage. The ship is fine and if you can't make it work its not the ship that sucks. I can see the yellow stuff all around this post but I cant bring myself to believe a Dev posted it... Did you 6 year old brother/neigbour/friend take a hold of your loggins or what???? You don't seem to realise all the crap Tuxford got spoonfed by the community because of the changes to the Hurricane and Drake changes. I think Tux' reaction is perfectly understandable. After all he is not the only one making the changes, there is a whole team discussing game balance/making changes, except that Tuxford gets the thankless job of posting/discussing it with the community at large. How would you feel when you keep getting insulted and called a moron that shouldn't even touch a computer with a 20 foot pole?! And you know what? Now people are whining/insulting him because he got annoyed at them... And even more? If he hadn't responded, what would have happened is that people would whine he doesn't care or that they don't tell us what they are doing to the game... If anyone would act like some members of this forum have against tux face to face to me, I would likely punch em in the face . And I don't get angry easily . RK I have no problem with you trying to explain it away but I remember a time when a dev would only break his silence (Tomb or Oveur usually) to make an announcement that showed 10 hours of thought per word and we would be like: "ohhhhhhhh!" and it would make sense to all the waring forum factions at the same time in a magical sense... Tuxford in comparison came in with a lot of ideas and willingness to help. He announced the solution to many problems that were going on for a long time and we all applauded him. I think he got hooked on the accolades. He started changing anything anybody would complain about. Then changing anything that was effected by that. Than nerfing his buffs and buffing his nerfs... The whole thing IMO has spiralled out of control to the point that now CCP changes 10 things a day in preparation of Kali hitting TQ and as one would expect thats just too many changes for them to be well thought out and properly tested and balanced. I believe from what I have seen that he is now overworked and overstressed and at breaking point. I also believe that with the increasing volume of work he is now just changing things in an almost sloppy manner, as others have suggested... For example basing changes on mere DPS comparisons or tanking graphs etc. No change, no matter how small should EVER be made without looking at all the issues in the round and in depth. Drake was nerfed because on Sisi (where speed an agility and tackling mods and hit and run have 5% of the value they have on TQ; and where tank and gank is everything) it was uber. When it hits TQ it will be a joke like the Ferox for pvp. The post Tux made shows I think that he realises the mistake but just cant possibly deal with putting more time in correcting a "balancing change" he just implemented. The post he made as a professional stand to no scrutiny whatsoever. Blieve me I know exactly how he has been treated by the community but I also knowhow he has let himself down to an extent. I have a lot more sympathy and respect for him than you think but his reply worried me a lot because it confirmed my fears that he has taken on board more than he can possibly deal with IMO. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.19 16:21:00 - [187] Edited by: Butter Dog on 19/11/2006 16:21:42 Originally by: Albrecht Wassenar Im going to brief. I dont like being an A hole about this, but the bottom line is this. We pay their salary so I would think that it would be a good idea for us to have some sort of a say in what goes on in this game. First I want to point out, that I see the posibility of this argument getting blown way out of porportion, but its the truth. However many people abuse this aspect by not having constructive critisism, which is what everyone should be doing. If you dont have something constructive to say, dont say anything. But dont be surprised when people suggest this or that, and the exact opposite happens or is repeatedly ignored. People get a litle "miffed." As I have said in other posts. I love this game, and I want to see it succeed, but I think that this is a wakeup call and a warning sign that unless this process gets a major overhaul in the near future, something catostrophic and undo-able will happen that will alienate a very large portion of the player base. There is a concept called 'Tyranny of the majority'. It is used as an arguement against 'pure' democracy, where the 'people' decide everything through voting on issues, policies etc. What you end up with is the lowest common denominator running society, rather than a group of politicans running it for us and deciding whats in our best interests. The same logic applies here. Most people are stupid, and thats a fact. I don't want EVE to be a democracy, I want an elite and intelligent group of Developers to shape the game, not the majority of tards who play it. Just because you pay doesnt give you a right to change the game to suit you. If you don't like it, stop playing - thats the only choice you are 'entitled' to. No-one is forcing that money out your account.
Asariasha Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.19 16:55:00 - [188] Well, we don't want to decide over everything, but to be honest. There are enough Caldari players who could experience for long enough how crappy kinetic missile bonus is. Adding RoF and flight time like on a Raven wouldn't make the Drake an obverpowered BattleCruiser. It would just give it the possibility to compete in PvP and if you take a look on other Battlecruisers like for example the Harbinger you might find out that it has a bonus similar to the Armageddon. Just check out average DPS of the new BattleCruisers and you will currently mention that the Drake is pre-nerf the absolute looser. I can just again ask Tuxford to reconsider the Drake boni. Currently they wrecked the ship and this is a fact every Caldari who ever flew a Caracal in PvP can confirm.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.19 16:59:00 - [189] Edited by: Butter Dog on 19/11/2006 17:01:11 Originally by: Asariasha Well, we don't want to decide over everything, but to be honest. There are enough Caldari players who could experience for long enough how crappy kinetic missile bonus is. Adding RoF and flight time like on a Raven wouldn't make the Drake an obverpowered BattleCruiser. It would just give it the possibility to compete in PvP and if you take a look on other Battlecruisers like for example the Harbinger you might find out that it has a bonus similar to the Armageddon. Just check out average DPS of the new BattleCruisers and you will currently mention that the Drake is pre-nerf the absolute looser. I can just again ask Tuxford to reconsider the Drake boni. Currently they wrecked the ship and this is a fact every Caldari who ever flew a Caracal in PvP can confirm. Get a ******* clue. You can deal any damage type. You don't have to worry about tracking. You don't use cap to fire. You don't even have to use cap to tank. Kinetic is also an excellent damage type to use. As good as Thermal, much better than EM. And even if it isnt, you can change to whatever damage type you wish, meaning your TRUE DPS is much much higher than someone limited to two damage types. True DPS means: if you are fighting an armor tanker, you use explosive. If you are fighting a shield tanker, you can use EM. You can pick and choose to get maximum damage. Don't you realise what a massive advantage that is in PvP? Probably not, because Caldari is the lazy PvE race.
Darkenral	Posted - 2006.11.19 17:30:00 - [190] I'd love to see all the people that say the Drake is a great ship post nerf actually flying 1 post Kali. O wait a minute we wont, but then again almost nobody will be flying it. As for Tux's response. Well I had some cutting humor lined up but I'll just let the response speak for itself. Dark

Catga Coltrain Gallente New Dawn Rising The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.11.19 17:56:00 - [191] Edited by: Catga Coltrain on 19/11/2006 17:57:25 Butter Dog Wins this thread! I couldn't have put it better... Whiners are just plain stupid. You canÆt reasonably claim to understand all the variables in EVE combat balancing! You just canÆt! There are way too many variables involved! Go ahead try and argue damage type, amount of damage, speed, number of other ships, type of other ships, skill of other ships pilots, ship setups (remember cookie cutter setups are for idiots, real eve players fit their ships to adapt with their gang), money spent on setup, etc. etc. etc. Now look at what you idiotic whiners do every time you start a stupid whine thread. You pick a random variable and you say ôWah Wah! ItÆs not the best for this situation!ö or even better ôwah wah! I pay CCP for them to make the game the way I want it! And I want a cheap gank ship!ö You pay for the service of being allowed to play the game on CCPÆs server and for the free expansions that come with the game (regardless of the content!) If you want to help a ship in testing then go out and test it in a controlled and random environment! Then DONÆT draw conclusions on the whole ship! Instead post your data and ask others to run other tests and share the highlights of the ship. Never compare one ship to another and say (Wah! ItÆs just a Carcal with 1 more launcher!) Because once again the sheer amount of variables involved will automatically render that argument USELESSS!! IÆm glad Butter Dog said it for meà the majority of mankind consists of a bunch of close minded idiots! Luckily the devs are very intelligent and well educated peopleà O I almost forgot! Those of you questioning TuxÆs reaction need to realize that he was just trying to communicate with his target audience (you know kind of like and adult trying to explain something to a child)! In this case he failed because the audience was even dumber then he thought ROFL (like he said he has no time to waste on babysitting idiots)! Keep up the good work Tux! Real EVE players will always respect you! "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him."- Voltaire
Crellion Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:17:00 - [192] Originally by: Catga Coltrain Edited by: Catga Coltrain on 19/11/2006 17:57:25 mindless drivel See Tux? Thats the kind of person that you are currently making happy. I rest my case. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Lucian Corvinus Gallente Expert Systems	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:21:00 - [193] Originally by: Crellion Originally by: Catga Coltrain Edited by: Catga Coltrain on 19/11/2006 17:57:25 mindless drivel See Tux? Thats the kind of person that you are currently making happy. I rest my case. pwned ohh and /signed
Aki Yamato	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:33:00 - [194] So much ass-aplynism at one topic .. nice. Insted of fighting who is bigger idiot you should stay focused on real problems. and real problem is HAM atm... but no one is interested and everyone is busy spitting mud on others. BIG GUN BIG FUTURE
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:54:00 - [195] Originally by: Albrecht Wassenar Im going to brief. I dont like being an A hole about this, but the bottom line is this. We pay their salary so I would think that it would be a good idea for us to have some sort of a say in what goes on in this game. Players ruin MMOs when they're given what they want. It's a simple fact of these games that VERY few people are unbiased.
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:58:00 - [196] Originally by: Altehea Caldari deserve a gank ship. Big time and long time. No you don't. Caldari don't EVER deserve a gank ship. Why? Because your weapons always hit, even your supposedly short range HAMs can hit out to 101km, you can use any damage type and you never use any cap. Just load in some precisions if you're being troubled by an interceptor or other frig or cruiser... No. Missiles are too versatile to ever be uber DPS.
Reatu Krentor Minmatar Void Spiders Fate Weavers	Posted - 2006.11.19 19:19:00 - [197] Edited by: Reatu Krentor on 19/11/2006 19:20:08 Originally by: Grey Area Originally by: Reatu Krentor Originally by: Crellion Originally by: Tuxford We can always remove some launcher slots from the ferox if that boosts the drake for you. Drake is fine. Kinetic damage is fine. Spouting ** like "kinetic damage sucks" is just bull** and you know it. Even so I bet Amarrians would love to be able to take a 25% damage drop and do explosive damage. The ship is fine and if you can't make it work its not the ship that sucks. I can see the yellow stuff all around this post but I cant bring myself to believe a Dev posted it... Did you 6 year old brother/neigbour/friend take a hold of your loggins or what???? You don't seem to realise all the crap Tuxford got spoonfed by the community because of the changes to the Hurricane and Drake. That should make no difference. He's in a job that he knows is going to make unpopular choices, and he is a representative of a company for which we are all paying customers. There's really no excuse for him taking a tone that would get warning from mods if posted by anyone else. And it would have been JUST as easy to post the same sentiment (ship is fine) without all the insults. His job is game designer, not get pelted with poo. That's what community managers are for . Him responding to threads about game balance is not a requirement for his job, he does it anyway. After the n(+infinity)th time reading that I suck and have negative IQ I would get a bit angry too. Yet you expect him to set aside his emotions(and ignore direct personal insults) because he just happens to work for a company? Noone, and I do mean noone is capable of ignoring personal insults, not even the people doing the insulting(why insult someone if you can't take it yourself?) apparently, judging from the reaction to what Tux said from some of them. In the end, was Tuxford out of line? Yes, he was. Were the ones flinging poo out of line? Yes they were. Would Tuxford appoligize if he knew they would accept it and not just insult him some more(you know this has a good chance of happening if he did), I believe he would. Would the ones that caused this outburst, unlikely they would find some excuse or just continue their whining without any form of an apology. fixed some words Crystal-Slave, that way? Potential solution to the current Recon cloak and cyno bug
Aki Yamato	Posted - 2006.11.19 19:20:00 - [198] Originally by: Risien Drogonne Originally by: Altehea Caldari deserve a gank ship. Big time and long time. No you don't. Caldari don't EVER deserve a gank ship. Why? Because your weapons always hit, even your supposedly short range HAMs can hit out to 101km, you can use any damage type and you never use any cap. Just load in some precisions if you're being troubled by an interceptor or other frig or cruiser... No. Missiles are too versatile to ever be uber DPS. Maybe its time to make real missiles from them, for example minimal range, contermeasures for small ships, CIWS for big ships .. BTW you still own me explanation where did you get 138% bonus to javelin missile dmg.. BIG GUN BIG FUTURE
Lucian Corvinus Gallente Expert Systems	Posted - 2006.11.19 19:35:00 - [199] Edited by: Lucian Corvinus on 19/11/2006 19:40:06 Originally by: Aki Yamato Maybe its time to make real missiles from them, for example minimal range, contermeasures for small ships, CIWS for big ships .. BTW you still own me explanation where did you get 138% bonus to javelin missile dmg.. So you are saying that they should remove explosion velocity and explosion radius from missiles since there is no such thing in the real world, so back to destroying frigs, inties and cruisers with a couple of torps... hmm sounds good to me.
Goca Minmatar Steel Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.19 19:52:00 - [200] Originally by: Tuxford We can always remove some launcher slots from the ferox if that boosts the drake for you. Drake is fine. Kinetic damage is fine. Spouting ** like "kinetic damage sucks" is just bull and you know it. Even so I bet Amarrians would love to be able to take a 25% damage drop and do explosive damage. The ship is fine and if you can't make it work its not the ship that sucks. Interesting a dev, telling the players, at least the one's who think his ideas are bull and players who REGULARLY, DAILY play this game, that his ** up ideas are the players fault.. I am interested to know what other company could tell it's customers that they suck and actually have any customers afterwards? Sorry bub but the old mantra that the customers are always right holds true for every company, if you desire to keep said company in business. If you don't want customers keep it up, at least you won't have to worry about people ***ing at you on the forums, cause there won't be anyone left cept the fanbois... ie grow up.. I is Goca

Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.19 19:59:00 - [201] Originally by: Aki Yamato BTW you still own me explanation where did you get 138% bonus to javelin missile dmg.. It was my mistake. I thought I had 3 shield extender rigs fitted when instead I had only 2 and then 1 warhead calefaction rig. I wondered why I only had 25,000 shields when I was used to having 30,000 on that ship.
Aki Yamato	Posted - 2006.11.19 20:28:00 - [202] Originally by: Lucian Corvinus Edited by: Lucian Corvinus on 19/11/2006 19:40:06 Originally by: Aki Yamato Maybe its time to make real missiles from them, for example minimal range, contermeasures for small ships, CIWS for big ships .. BTW you still own me explanation where did you get 138% bonus to javelin missile dmg.. So you are saying that they should remove explosion velocity and explosion radius from missiles since there is no such thing in the real world, so back to destroying frigs, inties and cruisers with a couple of torps... hmm sounds good to me. Buut there is explosion radius and speed in real , its just implemented bit different way thai in eve :) Why should huge missile designed to interept large vesels like BB should hit small fat movin frig or interceptor ? especially when this decoy launchers are used to shake missiles away. And yea missile with size of PET bottle is bit redicolous, up to me ill rise volume of current missiles at least 10 times. BIG GUN BIG FUTURE
Wintermoon Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.11.19 20:32:00 - [203] Give the drake the same bonus as the kestrel 10% kinetic and 5% everything else.
Catga Coltrain Gallente New Dawn Rising The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.11.19 20:46:00 - [204] Originally by: Lucian Corvinus Originally by: Crellion Originally by: Catga Coltrain Edited by: Catga Coltrain on 19/11/2006 17:57:25 mindless drivel See Tux? Thats the kind of person that you are currently making happy. I rest my case. pwned ohh and /signed ROFL thx for proving my point! Really I wasnÆt expecting to catch two idiots so fast! I love the part where you used evidence, logic, and reason to convince me of your point of view. So what do you hope to achieve by insulting me and the developers? How does that convince anyone? Better yet how does that HELP anyone? Really I donÆt know what else to sayà I pity you? By posting such idiotic responses both of you just agreed to my post! Why? Notice how I never said just who the idiots where; by responding directly to my post IÆm guessing you feel insulted by my ambiguous classification? Or you subconsciously already know youÆre an idiot and you just responded by impulse? Really all of these traps where set to insure proper reading of all my posts, you just might end up looking stupid if you donÆt pay attention! Also Tux already mentioned thisà youÆre asking for a dev to change a ship (thatÆs ok), BUT OMG youÆre doing it in an unreasonable and idiotic manner! Every time someone counters your arguments you idiots donÆt listen to the counters, instead you post something stupid and irrelevant like ôbut wah! Its like a Ferox now!ö and if your thread dies you start a new one (even if the old ones where already settled)! ItÆs a common phenomena observed in stubborn and immature individuals. YouÆre all just like a bunch of 3 year olds that whine for some candy (but you wonÆt get it because youÆre already a fat and spoiled kid) and then tell their parents that they hate them because they didnÆt get what they wanted. Now both of you already proved to me and the community that you have these maturity and reasoning issues, but I would be more then willing to help you through this problem. Really I can guarantee that your life will be better if you just slow down the impulsive actions and fire up the good old brain! "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him."- Voltaire
Kapitanleutnant Mei	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:25:00 - [205] Originally by: Wintermoon Give the drake the same bonus as the kestrel 10% kinetic and 5% everything else. /signed this would make it a agank ship and reduce the tank while still giving good dps for non-kinetic :D
Asariasha Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:47:00 - [206] Well then to rebalance all of the tier2 BC please nerf in the following way: Harbinger: -1 turret/cap need bonus change to 10% bonus to armor hitpoints per level Myrmidon: -25% drone space/Drone HP&dmg bonus change to 5% bonus to medium hybrid turret dmg per lvl If you nerf, nerf all of them to keep fairness to all races.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:02:00 - [207] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Ever tried shooting at something with 5 medium railguns and no damage bonus? Heh, let me introduce you to a little friend of mine- the Myrmidon.......... ...which happens to be a ship with 100m3 dronebay and drone bonuses. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:10:00 - [208] Originally by: Butter Dog Get a ***** clue. You can deal any damage type. You don't have to worry about tracking. You don't use cap to fire. You don't even have to use cap to tank. Kinetic is also an excellent damage type to use. As good as Thermal, much better than EM. And even if it isnt, you can change to whatever damage type you wish, meaning your TRUE DPS is much much higher than someone limited to two damage types. True DPS means: if you are fighting an armor tanker, you use explosive. If you are fighting a shield tanker, you can use EM. You can pick and choose to get maximum damage. Don't you realise what a massive advantage that is in PvP? Probably not, because Caldari is the lazy PvE race. Yes, because we all know that 500DPS raven, firing exp missiles, hitting a 70% resistance, is going to bve soooo much more effective than the geddon with megapulses and 2x the DPS, hitting the 80% em/therm... Now if the person make a tank with a giant hole, that's another story, but how many people actually go into PVP without resists being as good as possible overall? We don't worry about tracking, but we can never do full damage to smaller targets. If you park a frigate 50km from a railathron, you're going pop in a shot, maybe two. My torps won't be quite so lucky. Plus your tackler buddies can dive straight as a missile boat, whereas doing the same thing to a turret ship sends them home in a pod or new clone. Bering able to hit a weaker resistance that lets you do 20% more DPS doesn't mean much when your base DPS are 60% of everyone else. Originally by:** kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:37:00 - [209] Originally by: Asariasha Well then to rebalance all of the tier2 BC please nerf in the following way: Harbinger: -1 turret/cap need bonus change to 10% bonus to armor hitpoints per level Myrmidon: -25% drone space/Drone HP&dmg bonus change to 5% bonus to medium hybrid turret dmg per lvl If you nerf, nerf all of them to keep fairness to all races. Heh, since when does balance mean you nerf the weak ships along with the strong? Stop being silly.
Asariasha Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:49:00 - [210] Edited by: Asariasha on 19/11/2006 23:51:09 Well Risien, now you might have gotten a clue on what kinetic bonus means to Caldari missile boats and what Caldari players thought about the too harsh nerf. This discussion has already gone too far, but I can only repeat again what I already mentioned: Gallente got a small Dominix Minmatar got a small Tempest Amarr got a small Armageddon Caldari got a big Caracal I mean hey, is it that hard to understand this obvious balancing issue? So, if even one doesn't get the appropriate boni, none of these Battlecruisers should get a bonus-layout you use to find on Battleships so they can't be used in a manner BS are used in PvP. Thats easy to understand, thats fair to all and so we may all cry for our toys PS.: And btw...Myrmidon and Harbinger ARE NOT weak. For example NOS Myrmidons kick as and can tank like hell..just for you concerned Gallentean bunny ;)



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