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Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:58:00 - [211] Originally by: Asariasha Edited by: Asariasha on 19/11/2006 23:51:09 Well Risien, now you might have gotten a clue on what kinetic bonus means to Caldari missile boats and what Caldari players thought about the too harsh nerf. This discussion has already gone too far, but I can only repeat again what I already mentioned: Gallente got a small Dominix Minmatar got a small Tempest Amarr got a small Armageddon Caldari got a big Caracal I mean hey, is it that hard to understand this obvious balancing issue? So, if even one doesn't get the appropriate boni, none of these Battlecruisers should get a bonus-layout you use to find on Battleships so they can't be used in a manner BS are used in PvP. Thats easy to understand, thats fair to all and so we may all cry for our toys PS.: And btw...Myrmidon and Harbinger ARE NOT weak. For example NOS Myrmidons kick as and can tank like hell..just for you concerned Gallentean bunny ;) Nice try but the myrmidon doesn't feel like a dominix at all. It feels like a slightly bigger vexor. And kinetic dmg is fine.
Asariasha Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:10:00 - [212] Yeah right, the Myrmidon can tank a lot better than a Dominix, but doesn't get 5%turret dmg bonus. But who cares about turrets if you can NOS out every ships cap so it isnt able to tank and will over the time be punched by drones.
Meryth E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:38:00 - [213] Edited by: Meryth on 20/11/2006 00:46:57 nm But, anyways, the Caldari hatred on these threads are pathetic. I can't remember Caldari whining that way when the (already overpowered) Thorax was boost-nerfed, or the Deimos, or when amarr battleships were sending Ravens into oblivion for monthes before the pulse nerf and missile overhaul.
Altehea Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:42:00 - [214] Originally by: Risien Drogonne Originally by: Altehea Caldari deserve a gank ship. Big time and long time. No you don't. Caldari don't EVER deserve a gank ship. Why? Because your weapons always hit, even your supposedly short range HAMs can hit out to 101km, you can use any damage type and you never use any cap. Just load in some precisions if you're being troubled by an interceptor or other frig or cruiser... No. Missiles are too versatile to ever be uber DPS. Reading comprehension 4tw I wrote 'it doesn't matter if it's a rail of missile platform'. Your comments about the nberness of missiles are lolastic, but see... Caldari turret ships are lolastic too, so just laugh together here Originally by: The Armin Originally by: Altehea when it comes to skill trainings unlike amarr and gallente who have it easy, but... nm...) I stopped reading here. wts: clue. It's still the truth, my gallentean character doesn't have to bother with missiles (maybe for the Ares? ) while the Caldari one has all missiles specs, hybrids and blasters spec up to large and drones spec up to Carrier class, with both shield tanking trained high and armor tanking (for when armor tanking + EW was viable). What was your point again?
The Armin Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:57:00 - [215] Originally by: Altehea What was your point again? Pft Caldari wajners, dont come here tell me that Amarr is easy cause Tux pwnd you. Try fly any Amarr ship without the lvl5 in the appropriate shipclass. (This goes for T2 too). . Then if you still think it's easy, I'll bow in the dust for you.
Asariasha Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.20 01:14:00 - [216] Dont tell me that Amarr is easy because Tux didnt pwn you, yet. Try to fly a Caldari ship without lvl5 in the appropriate shipclass. (this goes for T2 too). . Then if you are able to kill somone in pvp with a kinetic bonus missile ship, I'll bow in dust for you. Funny, isnt it?
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.20 01:40:00 - [217] Originally by: Asariasha Yeah right, the Myrmidon can tank a lot better than a Dominix, but doesn't get 5%turret dmg bonus. But who cares about turrets if you can NOS out every ships cap so it isnt able to tank and will over the time be punched by drones. Tank a lot better than the dominix? Now you're just being silly.
The Armin Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.20 02:17:00 - [218] Edited by: The Armin on 20/11/2006 02:25:27 Originally by: Asariasha Dont tell me that Amarr is easy because Tux didnt pwn you, yet. Try to fly a Caldari ship without lvl5 in the appropriate shipclass. (this goes for T2 too). . Then if you are able to kill somone in pvp with a kinetic bonus missile ship, I'll bow in dust for you. Funny, isnt it? You don't like the Drake, fine don't fly it. I don't like the Apoc, and I don't fly it regulary. I don't like the Prophecy either, and I dont fly that one at all. Try to pwn someone with a 10% cap size / lvl. I'll bow again. Think I'll fly the new BS? Neah.. Let's not turn this thread into wich race is worst Amarr vs Caldari cause y'all know thats the only prize Amarr can win. (; She was sayin' Amarr is easy, wich is a lie.
Crellion Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.20 02:28:00 - [219] Children please behave, While the poor drake deserves at least the 1 launcher or the rof bonus back, dont take it out on the Myrmidon the only tier 2 BC that came prenerfed. Hopefully these things will get fixed somewhere down the road... In any event the reports I get from those testing extensively on Sisi are lolastic. For example 1v1 BS just doesnt work near gate or stations... if you see your cap dieng you deagress and dock or jump etc... As someone said in the "dont take it out on Tux" thread, Drake was gank nerfed, instead of tank nerfed, because those higher up (than Tux) are intent on the whole "prolongue battle" conceipt. Personally I expect this silliness to blow up in their faces... By Christmas (assuming Kali1 goes ahead on timeTM) people will have realised this is really bad for solo combat and its good only for bloberganking turds and hopefully many voices in unison will be crying out. Hopefully Drake will then be one of the first ships to be unnerfed. After all... Caldari ships are so decisevily classed as poor damage dealers in EvE that even their turret ships (that do use up a lot of cap for guns and a lot more cap for their active shield tanks) are given the lowest DPS (for a bit more range)... In fact Caldari railships are probably the only ships that are by and large out DPSed by Caldari missleships rofl... Meh... let it rest. If you want to be able to gank stuff just train Gallente spaceship command skills to put your Hybrid SPs to good use, and if you want to solo pvp playing eve on easy mode train minmattar... You can then slap an ab on your cruiser and fly circles around Caldari AFs with mwd... now THAT is easy mode... Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Flesh Eater	Posted - 2006.11.20 02:38:00 - [220] Originally by: Goca Edited by: Goca on 19/11/2006 19:55:56 Originally by: Tuxford ...... Sorry bub but the old mantra that the customers are always right holds true for every company, if you desire to keep said company in business. You certainly don't see Bill Gates telling his complaining customers if you cannot figure out some screwed up thing in Microsoft that it's your own ** fault and you suck... You see them trying to fix the problems, sometimes they achieve this sometimes, they don't, sometimes they still get ***ed at, but they certainly don't call talk down to their customers... ie grow up.. This hardly applies to a forum discussing balance changes for ships in a space game. Yeah sure, his response might be innappropriate in a retail store, but if customers acted like they do on these forums in such a store, they would be asked to leave and banned from the store if they ignored this. Would you rather that anyone who was rude and impolite to the devs was banned from the forums? Imagine the uproar that would cause... And the analogy with Microsoft is also a stupid one....you don't big forums at microsoft.com where people discuss the features of the NEXT version of office and people get passionate and complain bitterly about the new feature that will be in Office 2010 which is NOT EVEN RELEASED YET. Good on Tux for answering the imbecile OP with some truth.

Rogerano	Posted - 2006.11.20 04:47:00 - [221] Originally by: Captain Raynor Drake Setup Hi: 6x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, 2x Med Diminishing Nosferatu Med: 3x Invulnerability Field II, 1x Large Shield Extender II -- out of grid no room for anything more. Low: 2x Ballistic Control II, 2x Power Diagnostic Unit II The problem here isn't the ship. It's the setup...
Nikolai Nuvolari Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.11.20 06:09:00 - [222] Originally by: Risien Drogonne Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Oh look you posted again before mine hit. Let's see, you posted about...ooh, dual fitting mod setups. Brilliant Power diagnostic systems on a ferox are standard issue. Have you ever even flown this ship? Or did you just decide one day after trying to fit it with low skills that it sucked and you'd never bother? No, I've never flown the ship and I don't have all relevant skills maxed out. Really, I don't Originally by: Risien Drogonne Originally by: Merin Ryskin Yay! Brilliant idea! Lets use 4x fitting mods and no damage mods! I wonder what kind of DPS we can get with a pathetic 5 railguns and zero damage mods... You're not really that good at following a debate, are ya. 4 fitting mods isn't what I would do. I asked for an example of a ship that could fit its biggest guns AND a huge tank. Someone gave me an example with 4 fitting mods so I pointed out that the ferox could do it with 4 fitting mods too. Try to keep up, please. Note that the fitting you were given has more lowslots, allowing for damage mods, AND a damage bonus built into the ship. Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Anyway, my final verdict on this thread is exactly what I've been saying for months: BRING BACK TomB! He was evil and ruthless, but highly effective, and very fair. Tuxford just seems to work on a mixture of incompetence and sloppiness. You should just Stfu. Hmm, what do I have to say to you? How about... "You should just Stfu." Wow, that got us really far Originally by: The Armin stfu pls. Request DENIED. Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Ever tried shooting at something with 5 medium railguns and no damage bonus? Heh, let me introduce you to a little friend of mine- the Myrmidon.......... What, that Gallente ship that has all the damage of the Ferox's primary weapons system built into it's secondary weapons system, and THEN there are the drones? Yeah, I'm really looking forward to that. Originally by: Pesadel0 BUT NOTHING GIVES YOU/ME GUYS THE RIGTH TO CALL HIM OR OTHER DEV A POS OR WORST... INCOMPETENT. (A) I pay my account subscription fee. (B) I have somehow NOT been permabanned from the forums yet. THAT gives me the right to call Tuxford incompetent. Originally by: Altehea full turrets Ferox or Eagle OH GODS YES!!! orgasm Originally by: The Armin Your new railtoy can outperform any other turret based ship HAHAHAHAHA! THAT'S FUNNY, THANK YOU FOR MAKING MY DAY! Log onto SiSi and try out the Rokh. It's got the right slots, hardpoints, and bonuses (well, it needs another lowslot, but details details...), except that it's "stealth" nerfed by a complete lack of powergrid, CPU, and capacitor. ESPECIALLY capacitor. --------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period. Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.20 10:34:00 - [223] Nikolai Nuvolari, TomB still approves of everything, so bringing back TomB won't work since he never left. Originally by: Asariasha Yeah right, the Myrmidon can tank a lot better than a Dominix, but doesn't get 5%turret dmg bonus. But who cares about turrets if you can NOS out every ships cap so it isnt able to tank and will over the time be punched by drones. Medium Armor Repairer II: 26.7 HP/s base. Medium Armor Repairer II, Myrmidon: 33.3 HP/s base with level 5 ship skill. Large Armor Repairer II: 53.3 HP/s base. The Myrmidon does not tank anywhere near as well as the Dominix. It has a tanking ability somewhere in the region of 33% less effective than that of the Dominix. But wait, there's more, it also has: * Significantly lower hit points * Less than half damage output from turrets * Lower damage output from drones * No backup drones, what so ever. * Half the range on nosferatus. * 40% less effective nosferatus. * Fewer low slots. The only thing that speaks FOR the Myrmidon is that it has a smaller signature radius and a slightly faster lock time. The second bonus is quite a bit better than the first. In fact, the first bonus is, by large, not noticable at all. Asariasha, consider your argumentation dead and buried. Do not ever compare the Dominix and Myrmidon. One is overpriced piece of junk that looks good, the other is a dog-ugly jewel. P.S. someone said "nerf fairly and nerf all of them". Why nerf the Myrmidon? It came pre-nerfed. - EVE is sick.
Asariasha Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:02:00 - [224] Edited by: Asariasha on 20/11/2006 11:09:32 Edited by: Asariasha on 20/11/2006 11:04:27 I really begin to love how Gallentean players now begin to state arguments why it shouldn't be nerfed...reminds me of us Caldari trying to get RoF instead of kinetic bonus Well, for sure the Myrmidon can not tank as well as a Dominix, but compared to its ship size it does tank very good. And if you now think about that you can fit blasters and an extreme amount of Drones (while most Gallente guys still ask for more dronespace to launch a set heavies) it will outdamage for example the Drake with ease. So, I see a reason to nerf it. You wanted balance, so we all want balance and have to sacrifice our dreamships. And to the Amarr...I didnt say that it's easy to fly Amarr ships, but in conclusion it isn't easy to fly Caldari ships in PvP either! I have been flying the Ferox long enough to know that it will be pwned by any ships of it's size. Why do I point to the Ferox? Well, because the Drake is now nothing more than a Ferox. But of course you are now going to tell me that the Ferox is an awesome pvp ship. @Nicolai: the Rokh has it's strenghts. It will be for example a perfect ship to newer players who are going to train up large hybrids and still can not use tech2. For fleetOPs it will not be that good, because it's only strenght is the range. However, due to Kalis t2 ammo nerf the range for "long range" battles will be decreased nullifying ths range bonus of Rokh and making the older BS the ruler of the battlefields again.
Aloysius Knight Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:05:00 - [225] Originally by: Asariasha Dont tell me that Amarr is easy because Tux didnt pwn you, yet. Try to fly a Caldari ship without lvl5 in the appropriate shipclass. (this goes for T2 too). . Then if you are able to kill somone in pvp with a kinetic bonus missile ship, I'll bow in dust for you. Funny, isnt it? try flying a typhoon ps nanophoon is not a real setup k? http://www.stevie.prince.dsl.pipex.com/AloysiusKnight.jpg http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2107/nodecrashsiggb9.jpg Chose one, you must. Two is the way of pure ebilness, and pure ebilness is bad -ReverendM
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:14:00 - [226] Originally by: Asariasha Edited by: Asariasha on 20/11/2006 11:04:27 I really begin to love how Gallentean players now begin to state arguments why it shouldn't be nerfed...reminds me of us Caldari trying to get RoF instead of kinetic bonus Well, for sure the Myrmidon can not tank as well as a Dominix, but compared to its ship size it does tank very good. And if you now think about that you can fit blasters and an extreme amount of Drones (while most Gallente guys still ask for more dronespace to launch a set heavies) it will outdamage for example the Drake with ease. So, I see a reason to nerf it. You wanted balance, so we all want balance and have to sacrifice our dreamships. And to the Amarr...I didnt say that it's easy to fly Amarr ships, but in conclusion it isn't easy to fly Caldari ships in PvP either! I have been flying the Ferox long enough to know that it will be pwned by any ships of it's size. Why do I point to the Ferox? Well, because the Drake is now nothing more than a Ferox. But of course you are now going to tell me that the Ferox is an awesome pvp ship. People keep saying this, but I just don't see it. Compare with Brutix- They both have the same repper bonus. Their Cap is only a couple of hundred points diferent, and the recharge is better on the Brutix. Resistances are the same. Myrmidon does have better hp, but this doesn't make a sustainable tank. Myrmidon has 1 (i think?) extra low slot. Sure it can tank, but it's hardly the tanking monster people are making it out to be. And blasters on the Mymridon? Are you mad? Being a (low speed) active tank setup, theres not a chance in hell you'd see people fitting un-bonused Hybrids on it. If you ever see turrets on one, it'll be yet another projectile boat. And extreme amount of drones? I can either have 4 heavies with no spares, to get damage somewhat equivalent to the Drake, or I can fit 5 mediums plus 5 spares and take away identical DPS as the Vexor (which can fly 5 heavies and 2 spares). I'm not ging to argue for it to be buffed, seeing as this is a Ferox / Drake thread, but nerfing it would be a crue joke. Pre-nerf, it was the weakest of the 4 BCs, and I'm not convinced much has changed since then. -----------------------------------------------
Asariasha Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:34:00 - [227] Well and if Im now telling that Drake with RoF bonus wouldnt be a dmg-monster as people call it to be (relating to your Myrm not tanking monster annotation)? See, the whole problem just came up by people fitting setups you will never ever see on Tranquility due to the lack of webber, warpjammer, dmg mods,... Another thing is people who complain that Caldari Missiles always hit and you got the free choice of dmg type and so on. Just to compare the strenghts of Missiles vs Turrets go and let a Thorax fight versus a Caracal. You will see how the Thorax is going to kick Caracals ass. And about dmg type you will have to reload for 10seconds which give hostile ships the chance to approach for short range. Exactly the same thing we are going to see after Kali is released. I really really can not understand how you dare to beg for more Dronespace in Myrmidon supported by almost all people in this community and in return don't even try to understand the need for a RoF bonus and more to say kick in the faces of players who assisted you in your wantings. This isnt addressed to all players, but if you maybe check out Risiens postings for example you might understand what frustrates me.
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.11.20 12:14:00 - [228] Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 20/11/2006 12:18:29 Originally by: Tuxford We can always remove some launcher slots from the ferox if that boosts the drake for you. Drake is fine. Kinetic damage is fine. Spouting ** like "kinetic damage sucks" is just bull** and you know it. Even so I bet Amarrians would love to be able to take a 25% damage drop and do explosive damage. The ship is fine and if you can't make it work its not the ship that sucks. Hmm, removing a launcher from the Ferox would certainly make things interesting. Oo, actually, swapping a launcher for a turret slot would be nice on the Ferox. Would certainly reduce overall DPS. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.20 12:16:00 - [229] Edited by: Jin Entres on 20/11/2006 12:19:28 Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Yes, because we all know that 500DPS raven, firing exp missiles, hitting a 70% resistance, is going to bve soooo much more effective than the geddon with megapulses and 2x the DPS, hitting the 80% em/therm... Now if the person make a tank with a giant hole, that's another story, but how many people actually go into PVP without resists being as good as possible overall? We don't worry about tracking, but we can never do full damage to smaller targets. If you park a frigate 50km from a railathron, you're going pop in a shot, maybe two. My torps won't be quite so lucky. Plus your tackler buddies can dive straight as a missile boat, whereas doing the same thing to a turret ship sends them home in a pod or new clone. Bering able to hit a weaker resistance that lets you do 20% more DPS doesn't mean much when your base DPS are 60% of everyone else. 500 * 0.3 = 150 1000 * 0.2 = 200 200/150 * 100 = 33% more damage No tracking, incredible range on short range weapons, no cap use, great burst damage, spare slots for nos. It evens out pretty well. ---
Beringe Caldari Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.11.21 03:10:00 - [230] I see a crowd of people who gleefully expected to be handed an overpowered ship blatantly flaming the man who, bravely, did what needed to be done and nerfed it to reasonable levels. It's still a good ship, especially if you consider how good passive tanks are in Kali. As for complaining about the kinetic damage bonus...please! Nobody tanks specifically against kinetic. And even if they did, we still have the option of switching, in order to break specific tanks. The amount of whining about all the new ships from varying groups of lobbyists who all seem to think that their ships should be best frankly sickens me. ------------------------------------------- "Sarcasm and irony are not to be used by the uninitiated." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--

Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.21 03:21:00 - [231] Originally by: Beringe I see a crowd of people who gleefully expected to be handed an overpowered ship blatantly flaming the man who, bravely, did what needed to be done and nerfed it to reasonable levels. The part that *****s me up is all the Caldari whiners saying "we finally had a ship we could PvP with!" Yah, I guess the Caldari are afraid to PvP unless they can fly a ship that can kill 3 of its own class solo.
Beringe Caldari Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.11.21 03:31:00 - [232] Originally by: Risien Drogonne Originally by: Beringe I see a crowd of people who gleefully expected to be handed an overpowered ship blatantly flaming the man who, bravely, did what needed to be done and nerfed it to reasonable levels. The part that ****s me up is all the Caldari whiners saying "we finally had a ship we could PvP with!" Yah, I guess the Caldari are afraid to PvP unless they can fly a ship that can kill 3 of its own class solo. It's not just the Caldari, tbh. All the lobbyists are out in force, whining about their favorites. Hurricane, Abbadon, Myrmidon, Hyperion, etc. And the voice of people who are saying that they think these new ships + models are cool are simply lost in the torrent of crying. ------------------------------------------- "Sarcasm and irony are not to be used by the uninitiated."* --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.21 04:48:00 - [233] Originally by: Risien Drogonne Originally by: Beringe I see a crowd of people who gleefully expected to be handed an overpowered ship blatantly flaming the man who, bravely, did what needed to be done and nerfed it to reasonable levels. The part that ***s me up is all the Caldari whiners saying "we finally had a ship we could PvP with!" Yah, I guess the Caldari are afraid to PvP unless they can fly a ship that can kill 3 of its own class solo. Yes, how dare we * when they decide the best way to tone down a gank ship is to remove the gank. The Drake makes no sense now. None of the new BCs really do. They were ment to be gank ships, and now they're just... meh. Originally by:** kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Hanns Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.21 05:47:00 - [234] lol i never seen tux so **ed Originally by:** Tuxford a new retribution bonus. +1 med slot per level
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.11.21 11:34:00 - [235] Originally by: Hanns lol i never seen tux so ****ed Reminds me of this What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Bombcrater DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.21 11:43:00 - [236] I wonder if the thread where Marweas made his legendary post is still available? Some people here could do with reading it, so they know what a real forum firestorm looks like
ragewind Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.21 19:55:00 - [237] yep its all the customers fault were all bad pepole were the ones that took the new GANK ship and fited it with a resistance bonus so it can TANK like a *****. yep we made the GANK and TANK ship we have the power obviously as we are just to godly. give it back its 7th launcher and its ROF then add missiles velosity and it wont be uber as it wont have the resitances to pasive tank so with an acive its going to need an active which wil uses all the slots on the ship meaning like all caldari ships it needs to be in a gang with others considering all web's scramblers jamers ect ect are mid slot. yes that will give it a range bonus shock horror caldari are ranged ships, and in close range they get out manovered and betten on speed ever second of the day by close range ships were as the gallente can fit all that tank and gun/nos combo and trow in good drone coverage they have the overpowered ships in this respect. and i guess its our fault that a Dev cant be professional and keep his rage and swearing off the forum directed at his paying customers, yeah its all our fault. so yeah grow up do your job professionally, lissen to the customers when we are all saying its bust as it has 2 roles not 1 ie to gank not gank/tank. retest it change things show us you do somethings not trow a fit gimp the ships dig your heals in and cry
Majin82 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:52:00 - [238] Captain Raynor Keep going man, you are correct on this one! Originally by: ragewind ... so yeah grow up do your job professionally, lissen to the customers when we are all saying its bust as it has 2 roles not 1 ie to gank not gank/tank. retest it change things show us you do somethings not trow a fit gimp the ships dig your heals in and cry /Agreed Tuxford.. Grow up, do you even see how unprofessional you are being? Also, next time you want to come up with a new set of Gank ships.. try sticking to that. You have turned all the new BCs into Tankers. The Biggest Whine about the Drake is that it was tanking crazy amounts on Sisi. FIRST OFF, the only way to make it tank like that was to make it nothing but a tanker, it couldn't tackle. People were ***ing and cring because the Drake could tank so much that the Offensive power started to ware down the other ships who couldn't break the tank. What made you think that killing the Offensive bonuses would fix the tank? All you have done Tuxford is turn a ship that was being used in a way on Sisi, that you would never see be effective on TQ and cut the Drakes balls off. The Drake can still create that super tank.. it just can't do anything else. You should have realized that all you needed to do to break the Drake abuse on Sisi, was take away the resist bonus. You Nerfed the wrong part, man up to the mistake and fix it! Give the Drake the ROF bonus back and lose the Kinetic Bonus. If you want to keep it at 6 launchers thats fine, we all knew the drake was TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE and expected a Nerf, but not this hard. All we want is 1 missile ship that can PVP. Don't come on here Tuxford, act like a little * and in our mouths, if I wan't you to in mouth I would ask for it. Kinetic is a crap bonus, the Drake can still abuse the tank that everyone had a problem with. All you have done is cut the Drakes balls right the ** off and given us another Ferox. No way I am going to buy an overpriced Ferox called the drake. WTG Tux, way to balance the game. ------------------------------------- Proud member of G Guild!
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror	Posted - 2006.11.22 00:02:00 - [239] Originally by: Majin82 Tuxford.. Grow up, do you even see how unprofessional you are being? ..... Originally by: Majin82 Don't come on here Tuxford, act like a little *** and in our mouths, if I wan't you to in mouth I would ask for it. Kinetic is a crap bonus, the Drake can still abuse the tank that everyone had a problem with. All you have done is cut the Drakes balls right the ** off and given us another Ferox. lol, maybe he was just trying to talk to you on your level? hurry up! post those whines boys and girls!! only 7 more days till revalations is live! (and everyone that said they were quitting the game over kali, we are holding you to it )
Kesslan Osefice Panther's Paw Industries Ltd	Posted - 2006.11.22 07:54:00 - [240] Mmmm I love the smell of Napalm in the morning. Gotta love how a discussion on the Drake compared to Ferox, turns into a flamewar. Not to mention it at least initially had one very good point. The Drake from what I've seen/heard of it, will be barely better than the Ferox as a missile boat. And the Ferox isnt much of one to begin with, yet I still fly it on a regular basis for some crazy reason. (Maybe it's just because I'm insane, ask my corp members about my sanity some time) Initally I was all wooo! A decent battlecruiser! Now it's more just another. Oh.. well thats kinda dissapointing. But what ever. But ultimately what was a reasonably on track discussion if you can call it that of Drake compared to Ferox and if either were really any good at all, has just turned into one huge flamewar with people insulting each other. So I ask of you all, could we perhaps please just get this back on track? Otherwise what will we see next? Something perhaps akin to the following. Poster1: Post about Drake vs Ferox Poster2: Counter Point Poster1: Counter-Counter point Poster3: Flame Poster1: WTF? FLAME BACK! Poster2: STFU NOOB! flame flame flame Poster3: OMG! YOu flamed Kenny! I'm going to pod you, you BA****!! Poster4: Whoa <poster3> just podded my friend ingame for a post on the forums! I'm so going to break his legs IRL cause he's this kid that lives up the street from me! Moderators: This thread is now locked, a police investigation is underway, those who have posted here are now being hauled in by the FBI due to the slew of multiple RL murders this thread has caused. Yay we finally have a forum: http://pantherspaw.freehostia.com/



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