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Nimie	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:00:00 - [91] Originally by: Sendraks Originally by: Nimie most of the people here would bend over and gladly and unknowningly let the eve guys give it to them from behind so you won't get anything useful arguing with them. Obviously, because there is no chance that we could be correct in anyway at all. it's possible, but it's not like whether or not you're correct is random. a 40m cost to sucide gank is too low of a cost that many players can afford. when too many players can afford to break the law, the law will be broken. that's why high sec cannot correctly be called high sec. it is misleading.
Debaro Zeir	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:03:00 - [92] Originally by: DefJam101 The OP was pretty lolz. Unless english ain't his first language. Either way don't "eggs in one basket" Plus you were too rich for your own good(at only 3 months) anyways =/ Im going on 5 and only have 90 mill, max of 150. Yes. That is not my native language. - How much time you spending eve everyday? - How much cost your assets? I'm not "too rich" I'm just a trader. You have BS with fitting - like 200 mils isn't it? And you making money on BS. I have just money and trying to make ISK using ISK. That is my tool to do that :-).
Debaro Zeir	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:05:00 - [93] Originally by: Giant Haystacks Edited by: Giant Haystacks on 23/11/2006 14:44:03 A Badger II can easily be tanked to survive sucide Raven's. 3x Med Extender II 3x Invul II 2x PDU II Damage Control I 4076 sheild HP with average res of 72%, 1016 armor HP wilh avg res of 41 and 1016 structure hp with 50%. Thats about 18.3k effective hp, compared to 3.3k with no tank. A T1 fitted raven with max skills will do about 4.5k damage per volley, so the untanked badger gets instapopped but the tanked one needs 5 volleys, which the Raven can't fire before being killed by Concord. Great thanks! I'm was waiting for such info all thread :-). 2x PDU II == power diagnostic?
Yumi Katanawe Caldari Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:05:00 - [94] Originally by: Raquel Smith safe gameplay. And that's just what the CCP folks had in mind when they designed EVE. This game is about player interaction and conflict, there is not anything 100% safe.
Robert Dobbs Church Of The Subgenius	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:13:00 - [95] Originally by: Debaro Zeir Great thanks! I'm was waiting for such info all thread :-). 2x PDU II == power diagnostic? You're still not safe, even with this setup. Just so you know. - --------- Listen to BoB Radio!!
Nimie	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:14:00 - [96] Originally by: Debaro Zeir Originally by: Giant Haystacks Edited by: Giant Haystacks on 23/11/2006 14:44:03 A Badger II can easily be tanked to survive sucide Raven's. 3x Med Extender II 3x Invul II 2x PDU II Damage Control I 4076 sheild HP with average res of 72%, 1016 armor HP wilh avg res of 41 and 1016 structure hp with 50%. Thats about 18.3k effective hp, compared to 3.3k with no tank. A T1 fitted raven with max skills will do about 4.5k damage per volley, so the untanked badger gets instapopped but the tanked one needs 5 volleys, which the Raven can't fire before being killed by Concord. Great thanks! I'm was waiting for such info all thread :-). 2x PDU II == power diagnostic? yes, but most traders obviously won't be able to wear those. those 3x inv 2's also cost more than a transport ship. that setup also gimps the trading ablity of most traders. the extenders will also make you ship larger.
Debaro Zeir	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:16:00 - [97] Originally by: Robert Dobbs Originally by: Debaro Zeir Great thanks! I'm was waiting for such info all thread :-). 2x PDU II == power diagnostic? You're still not safe, even with this setup. Just so you know. Probally gunkers will try another target as this fitting raisung my chances. But of course them can use 2 ravens and I know about that :-).
Sendraks TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:22:00 - [98] Originally by: Nimie it's possible, but it's not like whether or not you're correct is random. a 40m cost to sucide gank is too low of a cost that many players can afford. when too many players can afford to break the law, the law will be broken. You'll already find a comment, in this thread, from me, about the general agreement in another thread that people should not get insurance payouts due to Concord related losses. I by no means think the existing system is perfect and needs refinement. That does not mean it should be removed, but certainly there should be greater overheads for the pirates. Originally by: Nimie that's why high sec cannot correctly be called high sec. it is misleading. I fail to see how its misleading. High sec space is just that, high security, not total security. It is certainly much more secure than low sec and decidedly more so than 0.0. High sec doesn't mean 100% safe and nowhere does the game give the impression that it is. Thats something dreamt up by players.
Sendraks TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:24:00 - [99] Edited by: Sendraks on 23/11/2006 15:24:32 Originally by: Debaro Zeir Probally gunkers will try another target as this fitting raising my chances. But of course them can use 2 ravens and I know about that :-). THATS the spirit! Ultimately in Eve, short of being docked, there is no way to make yourself 100% safe. If you're in T2 hauler, you'll still lose your cargo if you get set upon by 5 torp raven high sec pirates, but its less likely to happen as you're not obviously easy pickings. You do everything you can to improve your chances of survival. Thats all you can do.
Nimie	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:28:00 - [100] Edited by: Nimie on 23/11/2006 15:32:35 Edited by: Nimie on 23/11/2006 15:30:55 Originally by: Nimie that's why high sec cannot correctly be called high sec. it is misleading. I fail to see how its misleading. High sec space is just that, high security, not total security. It is certainly much more secure than low sec and decidedly more so than 0.0. High sec doesn't mean 100% safe and nowhere does the game give the impression that it is. Thats something dreamt up by players. well, thanks for earlier comment. i would still have to disagree and say saying it's high sec is misleading. high sec is actually more dangerous for a hauler than low space and 0.0 space. they should at least call it medium sec and say that even in an empire's capital the crime rate can be high. Originally by: Debaro Zeir Edited by: Debaro Zeir on 23/11/2006 15:18:51 Originally by: Robert Dobbs Originally by: Debaro Zeir Great thanks! I'm was waiting for such info all thread :-). 2x PDU II == power diagnostic? You're still not safe, even with this setup. Just so you know. Probally gunkers will try another target as this fitting raising my chances. But of course them can use 2 ravens and I know about that :-). this won't happen. the moment they see your nox they'll attack you.
Nimie	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:30:00 - [101] Edited by: Nimie on 23/11/2006 15:31:07 blah
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:37:00 - [102] Though this may not have been Jita, rule #4 still applies. The Unwritten Rules of EVE: 1) Never undock a ship that you can't afford to lose (fittings and cargo, included) 2) No space is safe space 3) ALWAYS get FULL insurance on any ship you fly. 4) Never haul more than 20 million worth of goods into Jita in a T1 hauler 5) Always keep local open in low sec space 6) Always check the map for activity when traveling through low sec 7) Always use warp-to-0km (instas) when traveling in low sec, especially in 0.0 8) Never go AFK in a low sec system while undocked 9) Never mine solo in a barge/exhumer in low sec 10) Always make safespots in low sec systems that you visit frequently
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:43:00 - [103] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 23/11/2006 12:52:28 How does a 3 month old character earn 600M ISKs? Mining and trading 24/7? Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Sendraks TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:46:00 - [104] Originally by: Nimie high sec is actually more dangerous for a hauler than low space and 0.0 space. Care to elaborate as to why you think this? Originally by: Nimie they should at least call it medium sec and say that even in an empire's capital the crime rate can be high. No. Why should they call it medium sec? Low sec is called low sec, because the security forces there are low. High sec is called high sec, because the security forces there are high. Calling it medium sec makes no sense. High security is not the same as "safe space" and it is not labelled as such. The game manual and game makes it quite clear that you can be attacked there, so I fail to see why it should rebadged just because some players make assumptuons about the meaning of "high sec." As for the crime rate being high, again I don't see this myself. In fact, I've never seen an incidence high sec piracy. Sure I've been attacked in my hauler in low sec, and escaped time and again, but never in high sec.
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:51:00 - [105] You put 400mil worth of stuff in a ship which cost 800k, and expected it to be safe. TBH, the sentry guns should take people down who do that, and call it "Concord Enforced Natural Selection". Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Mak'shar Karrde Minmatar UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:55:00 - [106] Originally by: Sendraks Originally by: Nimie high sec is actually more dangerous for a hauler than low space and 0.0 space. Care to elaborate as to why you think this? Well, ignoring everything else so far, in 0.0 you can secure the gates and make sure there are no neutrals/hostiles within a couple of jumps. While Empire is still pretty safe with scouts/instas; there is always the chance that the mega/raven/whatever sitting next to the gate will try his luck. At least for T1 haulers. You will never see my transporting anything worth more than ~45mil (the price of a T2 hauler) in a paper-thin ship in Empire. Not unless I have a couple billion in the bank anyway (not bloody likely). The only expensive things I need to transport through Empire can fit in a heavily tanked Battleship.
Hephaesteus Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:57:00 - [107] How many times do folks need to be told NOT to haul expensive items in paper thin ships. There are is no safe space it's an illusion put about by piwats ----------------------------------------------- Knowing all, when all is unknown.
Sendraks TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:03:00 - [108] Originally by: Mak'shar Karrde Well, ignoring everything else so far, in 0.0 you can secure the gates and make sure there are no neutrals/hostiles within a couple of jumps. While Empire is still pretty safe with scouts/instas; there is always the chance that the mega/raven/whatever sitting next to the gate will try his luck. Well a hauler caught in 0.0 alone is far, far more screwed than a hauler in high sec. If the hauler in high sec can tank fire long enough, concord will destroy the threat. Thats not going to happen in 0.0 or low sec. Moving a hauler with expensive cargo through 0.0 you take precautions. At bare minimum you use intsas. Then beyond that you check the route ahead for ship kills and pod kills. You ask in Alliance chat for reports of hostiles in the area. For greater security you fly with an escort with other people from your corp. People who can attack hostiles and or help repair your ship. You can do that in both high sec and 0.0, but the added advantage of high sec is that concord will come help you out.
Debaro Zeir	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:09:00 - [109] Edited by: Debaro Zeir on 23/11/2006 16:10:10 Originally by: Nimie this won't happen. the moment they see your nox they'll attack you. Just see kill letter carefully. My nocx was in conts, so this was just blind killing. I has only 7 cu vapor miner I in my cargo. Them could see only that. But he tries and completely loose his money. Them got ~3 mils from rest of cargo. But I was loose much more.
Doragee Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:24:00 - [110] Originally by: Debaro Zeir Edited by: Debaro Zeir on 23/11/2006 16:10:10 Originally by: Nimie this won't happen. the moment they see your nox they'll attack you. Just see kill letter carefully. My nocx was in conts, so this was just blind killing. I has only 7 cu vapor miner I in my cargo. Them could see only that. But he tries and completely loose his money. Them got ~3 mils from rest of cargo. But I was loose much more. Wrong...since at least 6 months cargo scanner show EVERYTHING..also stuff within sec.cans.! --
Di Jiensai Gallente Myster0ns	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:25:00 - [111] Originally by: Debaro Zeir Edited by: Debaro Zeir on 23/11/2006 16:10:10 Originally by: Nimie this won't happen. the moment they see your nox they'll attack you. Just see kill letter carefully. My nocx was in conts, so this was just blind killing. I has only 7 cu vapor miner I in my cargo. Them could see only that. But he tries and completely loose his money. Them got ~3 mils from rest of cargo. But I was loose much more. The contents of container show up on cargo scan as does anything in the normal hold. you cant hide from teh scanners. And just for the record, you learned a 3rd lessen by that incident: Highsec ganking is good money. Try it your self. and you dont realy need a Raven for it. a tech1 cruiser with lots of guns and damage output will do fine. Of course you might encounter the odd tanked indy, but they are so rare, its hardly a risk. Your loss then about 4M (high estimate) your gain? well, a lot. --- The Story of the Big-Bad-Nos-Domi and the Brutix Selfproclaimed last instance on Rightousness Issues
Debaro Zeir	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:26:00 - [112] Originally by: Mak'shar Karrde At least for T1 haulers. You will never see my transporting anything worth more than ~45mil (the price of a T2 hauler) in a paper-thin ship in Empire. Not unless I have a couple billion in the bank anyway (not bloody likely). The only expensive things I need to transport through Empire can fit in a heavily tanked Battleship. And how much cargo can carry your 'heavy tanked battleship'? :-) May be better to use pair carrier + freighter? Just one year of skill training and I'm can trade very safe, yes :-).
Romeda	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:26:00 - [113] Sorry to see your loss, I really look down on people who use these high security gank tactics, although I don't think high security should be 100% safe, but industrial trade and business does need a mostly safe environment to operate. My advice is to invest in a T2 haller, Transport ships I think they are called, you would stand a better chance in one of those.
Debaro Zeir	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:27:00 - [114] Originally by: Doragee Originally by: Debaro Zeir Edited by: Debaro Zeir on 23/11/2006 16:10:10 Originally by: Nimie this won't happen. the moment they see your nox they'll attack you. Just see kill letter carefully. My nocx was in conts, so this was just blind killing. I has only 7 cu vapor miner I in my cargo. Them could see only that. But he tries and completely loose his money. Them got ~3 mils from rest of cargo. But I was loose much more. Wrong...since at least 6 months cargo scanner show EVERYTHING..also stuff within sec.cans.! Okay, thanks for information.
Debaro Zeir	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:32:00 - [115] Originally by: Romeda Sorry to see your loss, I really look down on people who use these high security gank tactics, although I don't think high security should be 100% safe, but industrial trade and business does need a mostly safe environment to operate. My advice is to invest in a T2 haller, Transport ships I think they are called, you would stand a better chance in one of those. Yes. I just can't trade using large turnover untill learn transport ships. So that will slow me down in my earnings. I will try courier missions instead of flying myself :-).
Debaro Zeir	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:38:00 - [116] Originally by: Di Jiensai Originally by: Debaro Zeir Edited by: Debaro Zeir on 23/11/2006 16:10:10 Originally by: Nimie this won't happen. the moment they see your nox they'll attack you. Just see kill letter carefully. My nocx was in conts, so this was just blind killing. I has only 7 cu vapor miner I in my cargo. Them could see only that. But he tries and completely loose his money. Them got ~3 mils from rest of cargo. But I was loose much more. The contents of container show up on cargo scan as does anything in the normal hold. you cant hide from teh scanners. And just for the record, you learned a 3rd lessen by that incident: Highsec ganking is good money. Try it your self. and you dont realy need a Raven for it. a tech1 cruiser with lots of guns and damage output will do fine. Of course you might encounter the odd tanked indy, but they are so rare, its hardly a risk. Your loss then about 4M (high estimate) your gain? well, a lot. I don't know how to use that kind of experience in RL :-). But atacker loosing 0.5 of ss also. I don't know how much time need to gain it.
Tunajuice	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:41:00 - [117] Totally your fault, you can use instas and be 99.999999999% safe in empire. Also, you can fly a blockade runner or something with a little more beef if you have that expensive of cargo.
Debaro Zeir	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:44:00 - [118] Originally by: Tunajuice Totally your fault, you can use instas and be 99.999999999% safe in empire. Also, you can fly a blockade runner or something with a little more beef if you have that expensive of cargo. And I can't be caught on another end of the gate?
Zebler Four Horsemen	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:44:00 - [119] Edited by: Zebler on 23/11/2006 16:45:34 Originally by: Giant Haystacks Edited by: Giant Haystacks on 23/11/2006 14:44:03 A Badger II can easily be tanked to survive sucide Raven's. 3x Med Extender II 3x Invul II 2x PDU II Damage Control I 4076 sheild HP with average res of 72%, 1016 armor HP wilh avg res of 41 and 1016 structure hp with 50%. Thats about 18.3k effective hp, compared to 3.3k with no tank. A T1 fitted raven with max skills will do about 4.5k damage per volley, so the untanked badger gets instapopped but the tanked one needs 5 volleys, which the Raven can't fire before being killed by Concord. Its a good setup, I will give you that. That will protect you from the casual thoughtless ganker, but.... those 3xinvul field 2's are pushing 45mil, and are almost worth enough for a suicide attempt alone. Most ppl know to shoot Caldari with EM damage, and would know to do so after an alt scans your setup....so... Em resits is only 62% on shield. Calcs were done assuming 2nd best named DCU You need to do 10500 raw EM to take shield You need to do 2850 raw EM for armour and finally need 2225 EM on structure. Thats a total of 15575 raw damage, you might make it, you might not If you come across the wrong sort of person even with no cargo, they may just take you out in the hope of getting your mods.
Robert Dobbs Church Of The Subgenius	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:59:00 - [120] Originally by: Debaro Zeir And I can't be caught on another end of the gate? Are you still whining? - --------- Listen to BoB Radio!!

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