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Pinpisa Jormao	Posted - 2006.11.24 23:40:00 - [181] Train to Freighter (5-6 weeks) if you do high sec cargo trucking of valuable stuff. No one will even bother trying to blow you up (except on very rare occasions) since freighters do not drop any loot. Other than that, depending on how much you need to carry, here are few better options: executioner, Large cargospace frigate, Battleship or Sigil t1 industrial with instas or warp to 0km 1-2 warp core stabilizers 3-4 inertial stabilizers (expanders)
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2006.11.25 00:14:00 - [182] Hey mod guy, the killers name is still in the original post, read it all.
Debaro Zeir	Posted - 2006.11.25 00:28:00 - [183] Originally by: Pinpisa Jormao Train to Freighter (5-6 weeks) if you do high sec cargo trucking of valuable stuff. No one will even bother trying to blow you up (except on very rare occasions) since freighters do not drop any loot. Other than that, depending on how much you need to carry, here are few better options: executioner, Large cargospace frigate, Battleship or Sigil t1 industrial with instas or warp to 0km 1-2 warp core stabilizers 3-4 inertial stabilizers (expanders) Yes, but good fight ships ccan't carry much of cargo. So no good trading untill I'll have trasport.
Debaro Zeir	Posted - 2006.11.25 00:29:00 - [184] Originally by: Wendat Huron Hey mod guy, the killers name is still in the original post, read it all. It is not in killmail, so I can tell it in the rest of the post
Olghraah	Posted - 2006.11.25 07:48:00 - [185] I'm also in trading, and carry often 500m or more, (and have earned 1.5 bil in 2,5 months of trading). As it comes my cargo usually fits in a kestrel and i use that to transport, nobody takes notice of those. Ow and always make it a tough cookie to ***** so fit a good tank and dont forget those resistances.
FreelancerAlpha	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:18:00 - [186] Warp to 0 will solve a lot of this, but I dont think thats what the thread is about. Frankly I would have worded it another way: Pirates are carebears. They get insurance, they get the safe secure knowledge that a newby cant retaliate. They get to fly around in alts knowing that nobody who can afford to war dec is going to be their target. Traders on the other hand, put it all on the line. They have to generate massive capital, then they have to work hard to protect it. Comments like "You should have used an elite industrial" are somewhat stupid. If a trader is spending all his money on his ship like a pvper, where do his margins go? You cant expect a very new character to have a lot of money AND a really good setup. Do I have sympathy for him? Not really. He got what comes to ya when you develop a false sense of security. However his point is valid. Until pirates can stop being supplied by alts, the highest riskers in the 'verse are the traders. (I mean real traders. Screw you npc traders)
Debaro Zeir	Posted - 2006.11.25 11:20:00 - [187] Originally by: FreelancerAlpha Warp to 0 will solve a lot of this, but I dont think thats what the thread is about. Frankly I would have worded it another way: Pirates are carebears. They get insurance, they get the safe secure knowledge that a newby cant retaliate. They get to fly around in alts knowing that nobody who can afford to war dec is going to be their target. Traders on the other hand, put it all on the line. They have to generate massive capital, then they have to work hard to protect it. Comments like "You should have used an elite industrial" are somewhat stupid. If a trader is spending all his money on his ship like a pvper, where do his margins go? You cant expect a very new character to have a lot of money AND a really good setup. Do I have sympathy for him? Not really. He got what comes to ya when you develop a false sense of security. However his point is valid. Until pirates can stop being supplied by alts, the highest riskers in the 'verse are the traders. (I mean real traders. Screw you npc traders) Yes you are got it all :-). But one thing - transport cost 45 mils, so that is not very expenive ship. But I can't operate it yet, course I'm a newbie :-). Seems only one good solution is instas as you say - warp to 0 or <2500m to gate. Will see. Only one my horror now - Jita undocking from 4-4 CNAP - there sometimes great lags, so my ship can be scanned/killed just on undock :-). In "high security" system. And as I can't activate damage controls/shield hardeners that is a problem. Seem I'll move my goods to another stations by portions of 50 mils and then will use instas.
Archangel Raphael	Posted - 2006.11.25 11:33:00 - [188] Atacker was destroyed by CONCORD but I lost goods ~400 mils ISK. That was almost ALL my money, I made for 1.5 month of trading. "That is equalent for 3 month TimeCode." the words between the quotation marks are the ones i really only noticed. so based on that line, are u someone that sells isk for game time codes? then im glad u lost all ure money,
Debaro Zeir	Posted - 2006.11.25 11:48:00 - [189] Originally by: Archangel Raphael Atacker was destroyed by CONCORD but I lost goods ~400 mils ISK. That was almost ALL my money, I made for 1.5 month of trading. "That is equalent for 3 month TimeCode." the words between the quotation marks are the ones i really only noticed. so based on that line, are u someone that sells isk for game time codes? then im glad u lost all ure money, So you will be cursed by yourself feelings course that is gloating delight. You mistaked - I'm not selling ISKs. I'm making them, by moving goods from one place to another. From place where goods do not needed to place where them need. That is like blood and oxygen moving - I'm one of red corpuscle making gamers life easer, prices lower and goods - avaible. You are glady? May be your life path will be finished by leucaemia then.
Debaro Zeir	Posted - 2006.11.25 12:00:00 - [190] Originally by: Olghraah I'm also in trading, and carry often 500m or more, (and have earned 1.5 bil in 2,5 months of trading). As it comes my cargo usually fits in a kestrel and i use that to transport, nobody takes notice of those. Ow and always make it a tough cookie to ***** so fit a good tank and dont forget those resistances. btw as I spotted Condor good choice if you has < 150m of cargo course it flying 2800m/sec in MWD. Probe is good for <350m of cargo and flying 1800 m/sec. At this speeds ship will be hard to scanned and hard to attack by any weapon course gate aproaching time is 7-10 secs :-).
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:22:00 - [191] "Of course you can. But did you expect it to be risk free?" I don;t know why is it everytime this rubbish comes up it seems the risk needs to always be placed squarely on the transporters shoulders? Please detail to me exactly where the risk comes into play for the suicide gankers, who sit there camped out at gates, with everyone with the brain pee sized and larger passing them by knowing they are suicide gankers waiting for a hauler yet they can do nothing because concord protects them...This is a broken game mechanic PERIOD end of story and CCP needs to adress this utter BS. These players sit there in npc corps 100% protected and untouchable waititng for some sap in a hauler who even if he was escorted would still be a sitting duck. You cannot initiate combat on the gankers and you cannot war dec them, you cannot get revenge, ( they use alts ). So tell me again why is it okay for them to get to play eve with no risk? CCP fix this crap make scanning cargo a hostile action that concord pwns you for doing... I mean lets get real there is only 1 reason cargo gets scanned in empire and that is to decide if you are carrying enough to make you worth ganking, so I fail to see why it shouldnt be a hostile action flagging you to players and concord. then these empire gankers can also share part of the "risk" for once.
Nemon v3 Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:39:00 - [192] Ok guys, alot of *****ing here. This is EVE - great game. If you wana play "safe" go play game with "orcs" (we all know the name). This is what we lost - and accept it as nothing happen and move on. EMPIRE is suppose to be MORE secure, but RISK FREE? No. You need to always be aware - like in real life, you can get killed anywhere, anytime. -------------------------- 006.07.25 10:26 Victim: xxxxx Alliance: D-L Corp: Dark and Light inc. Destroyed: Bestower System: Niarja Security: 0.5 Involved parties: Name: black momba (laid the final blow) Security: 0.7 Alliance: None Corp: harrasment ltd. Ship: Raven Weapon: Devastator Cruise Missile Destroyed items: Civilian Shield Booster I 10MN Afterburner II Miner I Type-D Altered SS Overdrive Injector (Cargo) Type-D Altered SS Overdrive Injector (Cargo) Ship Scanner I Beta Hull Mod Expanded Cargo Zydrine, Qty: 1100000 (Cargo) -----------------------------------
Debaro Zeir	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:54:00 - [193] Originally by: Nemon v3 Ok guys, alot of *****ing here. This is EVE - great game. If you wana play "safe" go play game with "orcs" (we all know the name). This is what we lost - and accept it as nothing happen and move on. EMPIRE is suppose to be MORE secure, but RISK FREE? No. You need to always be aware - like in real life, you can get killed anywhere, anytime. -------------------------- 006.07.25 10:26 Victim: xxxxx Alliance: D-L Corp: Dark and Light inc. Destroyed: Bestower System: Niarja Security: 0.5 Zydrine, Qty: 1100000 (Cargo) ----------------------------------- I'm very impressed. Seems my lost is 1/10 of yours. But compared to RL punishment system in EVE very soft. If you making in RL same crime twice - you are will be applies more hard punishment. But in eve only SS exist and when you killed another ship you can raise back your SS just in hour. So that just prevent "whole" noobie killing :-)
Jelly Heed	Posted - 2006.11.26 12:17:00 - [194] Originally by: Nemon v3 Ok guys, alot of *****ing here. This is EVE - great game. If you wana play "safe" go play game with "orcs" (we all know the name). This is what we lost - and accept it as nothing happen and move on. EMPIRE is suppose to be MORE secure, but RISK FREE? No. You need to always be aware - like in real life, you can get killed anywhere, anytime. W.O.W. yeah looks like it may be better now all the back stabbing, atack only if i am guaranteed to win, shoot you in the back while yr hunting types have all come over to eve, the original poster got screwd big time what a suportive comunity you are give him a break.................
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.26 13:42:00 - [195] Lol... I love these threads... makes me want to go out and high-sec gank... Because I said so...

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