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Gunstar Zero
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:46:00 -
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I've got the same bug as others - I dont seem have a Crow BPO yet :-)
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Gunstar Zero
I've got the same bug as others - I dont seem have a Crow BPO yet :-)
i thought you guys had one on corp app???
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Dr Brains
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Brains on 29/11/2006 17:06:59
Originally by: Oveur
Hammer was on the night shift with me and isn't back in yet. He's been analyzing all this in all the changes required to the science & industry infrastructure in Revelations. He will be seeding quite a lot of Tech 2 BPOs to compensate for destroyed, deleted, banned, cooked, broiled, frozen or gone-medieval-on BPOs which have exited the economy. We want to keep a certain set of Tech 2 BPOs in usage on TQ. I believe he has a blog coming up about that. I'd expect to see the seeds come in Tuesday at least, perhaps earlier.
Originally by: CCP Hammer
I've been meaning to write a big blog about all of this stuff but with the patch coming out everything has been so hectic I haven't made the time. We are going to seed more tech 2 stuff to the lottery, heck maybe more of EVERYTHING that's been will be in there. Seeing as how the number of pilots researching and using that stuff has tripled since the lottery started it seems like we could use some more blueprint originals out there. Anyway, looks for a big blog from me Soon TM.
\o/
Just one thought.
Theres already to much T2 ammo BPOs out there. Some ammo doesn't sell even at production price (for example Null L, Void L). The high sellers (tremor, aurora, spike) are making minimal profits, if you seed more, these will also go down to zero...
And there should be some difference between T1 and T2.
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Splagada on 29/11/2006 17:21:42
Originally by: Dr Brains
\o/
Just one thought.
Theres already to much T2 ammo BPOs out there. Some ammo doesn't sell even at production price (for example Null L, Void L). The high sellers (tremor, aurora, spike) are making minimal profits, if you seed more, these will also go down to zero...
And there should be some difference between T1 and T2.
Your and my post here should be in the features discussion tho :p
but I agree!!! T2 ammo is awesome but clearly the downsides can be REALLY mean. cap recharge penalty on missiles (mostly caldari/active tanks), speed penalty on projective, etc etc
the REAL problem is that usually you have 6 of them fitted, so it makes a big OUCH to hit an exponential penalty
since we still dont have "unload all" option, we adapt, but i agree it's the main problem
seriously 10%+ penalties on ammo make it really tough.... realize we usually have many launchers/guns :p
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Mack Dorgeans
Camelot Innovations
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:23:00 -
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Well, nice! I hope we see more prints soon.
For heaven's sake, though, SEED THEM IN STAGES. The market doesn't need a sudden huge influx of new T2 production. It would probably be fairest to the current T2 BPO holders (myself included) to seed in additional existing BPOs in the order they were first released and staggered somewhat.
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Aralis
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:29:00 -
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Ak and here I was thinking CCP had a nice well thought out solution to advancing tech. Randomly introducing more bpos seems a stupid idea. Of course those that have been destroyed/gone missing should be reseeded. But extras destroys the stability of the game.
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Eamon Develara
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:30:00 -
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I have a noobish question. How does the T2 loto work? Do you have to sign up for it or do you wake up one day with a T2 BPO in your hanger.
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violator2k5
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:31:00 -
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imo u guys worry to much. you should know by now they would not abandon the lottery system so fast and that invention is by no means a replacement.
1 thing i feel should be pointed out is the number of bpos that are not even in production and have been for some time, due to players not being in game / around to produce from said bpo.
would it be possible for ccp to factor this in too when deciding how many of which t2 bpos will be seeded.
on another note there was mention of someone getting 3 offers before and turning down 2 of them for the 3rd. adding something to deal with this would be nice, people who deny a offer in a certain field does not get no more offers in that field until the next lottery.
i would go into more detail about how i'd like to see the t2 lottery run but its probably all been said before and im sure ccp have in something in mind.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Aralis
Ak and here I was thinking CCP had a nice well thought out solution to advancing tech. Randomly introducing more bpos seems a stupid idea. Of course those that have been destroyed/gone missing should be reseeded. But extras destroys the stability of the game.
Read : I want to continue to print isk without making effort.
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mack Dorgeans
Well, nice! I hope we see more prints soon.
For heaven's sake, though, SEED THEM IN STAGES. The market doesn't need a sudden huge influx of new T2 production. It would probably be fairest to the current T2 BPO holders (myself included) to seed in additional existing BPOs in the order they were first released and staggered somewhat.
The situation so far has been grossly unfair in favour of current T2 BPO holders, so whatever can be done to alleviate this, should be done.
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Dr Sublime
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Posted - 2006.11.29 19:29:00 -
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Great, wish I had seen this before my main cashed in over 24k rp's thru various agents to try the new, highly promoted invention thingie ;(
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Cheunger
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:01:00 -
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What does it mean to be "seeded"? I've been wondering for awhile now.
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Still Hart
Aurora Empire
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:19:00 -
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Well this ******* bites. I skipped training for R+D agent skills because there were no more seeded BPOs and then invention was going to replace it. Now I lost MONTHS of potential RP. Even if I do somehow manage to get my skills up before all the BPOs are gone again, I'll be so far behind other people that my chances to get one will be negligible. I'd love to see a RP cap but I know that's not gonna happen. I'll just have to be content with getting screwed on the stupid T2 BPO lottery yet again. Maybe I can get some RP before T3 comes out...
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Ramblin Man
Empyreum
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ramblin Man on 29/11/2006 20:35:02
Originally by: Cheunger
What does it mean to be "seeded"? I've been wondering for awhile now.
When a print is "seeded", it goes into the pool of "available" prints. These prints then trickle out over time (as opposed to all at once) through offers from randomly selected research agents (actually randomly selected points they've accumulated). Seeded prints are visible in the "predicted" fields of agents.
So basically... it's the point where CCP starts up the lottery.
That's afaik though, so anyone feel free to correct me if I've got something wrong.
Originally by: Still Hart
[...] I skipped training for R+D agent skills because there were no more seeded BPOs and then invention was going to replace it. Now I lost MONTHS of potential RP. Even if I do somehow manage to get my skills up before all the BPOs are gone again, I'll be so far behind other people that my chances to get one will be negligible. I'd love to see a RP cap but I know that's not gonna happen. I'll just have to be content with getting screwed on the stupid T2 BPO lottery yet again. Maybe I can get some RP before T3 comes out...
CCP never said invention was going to replace the lottery system.
Things they've said, off the top of my head,
- T2 BPOs will remain the most efficient way to produce current T2 goods.
- Invention is a correction-to rather than a replacement-for the T2 system.
- T2 Rigs will have to be invented. (? Bit fuzzy on this one)
- The path to T3 lies through invention.
Don't blame them if you don't study the portends closely enough.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:32:00 -
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Seeded can mean any way of things becoming available. You call it "seeding the market" whn things are made available on the market, for example. And its called "seeding" when you do something like put celestial objects in game.
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Alekseyev Karrde
The Royal Guard
Forces of Freedom
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:34:00 -
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I am encouraged by this.
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Xendie
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Gunstar Zero
I've got the same bug as others - I dont seem have a Crow BPO yet :-)
are you still a crow addict?
i dont think ive ever seen you fly anything else :)
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Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Still Hart
Well this ******* bites. I skipped training for R+D agent skills because there were no more seeded BPOs and then invention was going to replace it. Now I lost MONTHS of potential RP. Even if I do somehow manage to get my skills up before all the BPOs are gone again, I'll be so far behind other people that my chances to get one will be negligible. I'd love to see a RP cap but I know that's not gonna happen. I'll just have to be content with getting screwed on the stupid T2 BPO lottery yet again. Maybe I can get some RP before T3 comes out...
Uhm, you do realize that you need RPs to invent stuff, right?
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:45:00 -
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/me sexors the thread.
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:51:00 -
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YES! It's HAMMER TIME!
I think there's spot for nice little "Cap Recharger II BPO" in my hangar 
We all know that Cap II > Every other BPO because with Cap II you can buy any other BPO out there!
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Lunadi
Minmatar
Solar Trade
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:38:00 -
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Take into consideration that the new invention system may be badly balanced... ending up in crappy demand for most of datacores. I'm currently investing time into research, but I'm very worried if this 'experiment' will end up well.
Datacore sellers (scientists) are actually on the worst position - they screwed if there is too much supply (too low price for datacores) or if the invention procedure is not profitable (resulting in low demand). The latter (invention profitability) can be the result of several factors - crappy invention effect (low run, ineficient, etc..), too high cost of other components, low chance of success. If the invention profitability fails, there will be no market for datacores.
So there is not much alternative for a reasearcher - this is why I'm concerned with the lottery. But I think the main problem is - scientists don't have much use in eve atm (very few possibilities, with many fields easily replaceable by an alt char).
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Silverbullet
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
I've been meaning to write a big blog about all of this stuff but with the patch coming out everything has been so hectic I haven't made the time. We are going to seed more tech 2 stuff to the lottery, heck maybe more of EVERYTHING that's been will be in there. Seeing as how the number of pilots researching and using that stuff has tripled since the lottery started it seems like we could use some more blueprint originals out there. Anyway, looks for a big blog from me Soon TM.
Didnt you guys mess it up too much with the whole CE II BPO bizz already? 
There¦s really no need to do it again, so please only reseed lost T2 bpo¦s.
That alone will do alot.
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Silverbullet
Didnt you guys mess it up too much with the whole CE II BPO bizz already?
It is still messed up and this is their chance to finally fix it. But I understand that the T2 BPO owners will whine quite a bit.
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Saladin
Minmatar
V I R I I
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:52:00 -
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Anyone know if agents have handed out the t2 HAMs or t2 HAM ammo bpo's?
Also, which agents will drop the t2 rig bpo's? I could see starship engineering being the logical choice, but you never know.
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Mack Dorgeans
Well, nice! I hope we see more prints soon.
For heaven's sake, though, SEED THEM IN STAGES. The market doesn't need a sudden huge influx of new T2 production. It would probably be fairest to the current T2 BPO holders (myself included) to seed in additional existing BPOs in the order they were first released and staggered somewhat.
No offense, but you guys who own T2 BPOs have had ample time to do your thing and make more money than you can possibly ever spend. You don't need any compensation in the interest of "fairness" now.
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Silas Vita
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Thuul'Khalat
Originally by: Tachy
The 'Tachy got no Vagabond BPO' issue is still unfixed and all my agents don't know nothing of any coming patents neither.
With the wcs-nerf Vagabond prices will crash anyways
You're forgetting that this ship will actually be better with this patch, cause vagabond pilots are forced not to use wcs. Not having wcs also means more Vagabonds blown up so there's a greater need for production. However the changes also mean that less ppl dare to fly the ship. Summed up i believe the demand on Vagabonds will be just the same now as pre-revelations. Question I'd like answered is how invention will affect the prices of the Vagabond and how much will an invented Vagabond cost altogether (including the matter of chance)?
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Aralis
Ak and here I was thinking CCP had a nice well thought out solution to advancing tech. Randomly introducing more bpos seems a stupid idea. Of course those that have been destroyed/gone missing should be reseeded. But extras destroys the stability of the game.
Read : I want to continue to print isk without making effort.
QFT. Seeding more tech 2 BPOs will increase the stability of the game, not destroy it.
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Lord Artemis
Filthy Wyrm
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Posted - 2006.11.29 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
I've been meaning to write a big blog about all of this stuff but with the patch coming out everything has been so hectic I haven't made the time. We are going to seed more tech 2 stuff to the lottery, heck maybe more of EVERYTHING that's been will be in there. Seeing as how the number of pilots researching and using that stuff has tripled since the lottery started it seems like we could use some more blueprint originals out there. Anyway, looks for a big blog from me Soon TM.
\O/ 
doin' the happy dance of hope. 
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SSandra
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Posted - 2006.11.29 23:36:00 -
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Edited by: SSandra on 29/11/2006 23:49:24
I was hoping for this kind of announcement. Was gonna wait for it then decide which agents to cash out...very nice.
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Ravelin Eb
Minmatar
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2006.11.30 01:59:00 -
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Amazing, now my 300k starship rp's might have some use. didnt get nothing first time around. maybe i strike lucky this time :(
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