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Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.11.30 04:21:00 - [61] Our prayers have been anwsered!
Mack Dorgeans Camelot Innovations	Posted - 2006.11.30 04:34:00 - [62] Originally by: Risien Drogonne Originally by: Mack Dorgeans Well, nice! I hope we see more prints soon. For heaven's sake, though, SEED THEM IN STAGES. The market doesn't need a sudden huge influx of new T2 production. It would probably be fairest to the current T2 BPO holders (myself included) to seed in additional existing BPOs in the order they were first released and staggered somewhat. No offense, but you guys who own T2 BPOs have had ample time to do your thing and make more money than you can possibly ever spend. You don't need any compensation in the interest of "fairness" now. My point is that someone who won a T2 BPO within the past year gets a lot less out of it than someone who won a HAC BPO or such that was seeded much earlier and also makes the best profit margins. I won't even get into the cap recharger II BPO situation. As for me personally, I've been luckier than most, but I'm still a bit player in the T2 market. I have less than 10 billion isk in my wallet at the moment. That's not exactly tycoon status in EVE compared to some of the amounts I see getting thrown around on auctions. Releasing more of every past T2 BPO in the same round of the lottery would not only have a huge unknown impact on the economy, it would also limit the chances for people with very few points to ever win anything, because by the time they've built up a decent amount, everything will be gone again. A staggered release in the order of initial seeding would be better all around. They wouldn't need to be spaced as far apart as originally, but a massive T2 seeding over the course of just a couple of months would be worse for more than just the current BPO holders.
Father Weebles Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2006.11.30 07:01:00 - [63] Originally by: Mack Dorgeans Well, nice! I hope we see more prints soon. For heaven's sake, though, SEED THEM IN STAGES. The market doesn't need a sudden huge influx of new T2 production. It would probably be fairest to the current T2 BPO holders (myself included) to seed in additional existing BPOs in the order they were first released and staggered somewhat. like somebody said earlier.... you had your cake "Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control."
Ramblin Man Empyreum	Posted - 2006.11.30 07:33:00 - [64] Edited by: Ramblin Man on 30/11/2006 07:34:42 Originally by: Cheunger Originally by: Ramblin Man Edited by: Ramblin Man on 29/11/2006 20:35:02 Originally by: Cheunger What does it mean to be "seeded"? I've been wondering for awhile now. When a print is "seeded", it goes into the pool of "available" prints. These prints then trickle out over time (as opposed to all at once) through offers from randomly selected research agents (actually randomly selected points they've accumulated). Seeded prints are visible in the "predicted" fields of agents. So basically... it's the point where CCP starts up the lottery. That's afaik though, so anyone feel free to correct me if I've got something wrong. So uhh, the T2 BPOs people own now are going to go back into the lottery? Yes and no. Originally by: Oveur [Hammer] will be seeding quite a lot of Tech 2 BPOs to compensate for destroyed, deleted, banned, cooked, broiled, frozen or gone-medieval-on BPOs which have exited the economy. We want to keep a certain set of Tech 2 BPOs in usage on TQ. Yes, it sounds like more of the "original T2" item BPOs are going to be seeded (to correct for ones not in use anymore [and probably account for increased server population]). No, the BPOs people own now are not going to go back on the lottery. (Wasn't quite sure what you were asking)
Jonask'ri Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.30 07:53:00 - [65] People who think this will lower price of T2, please think about the following argument :- If EXTRA T2 BPO's are reseeded through lottery, a fair number or most will fall into the hands of :- a)Those who already own T2 BPOs b)Those who want to make a quick ISK fortune by selling/auctioning said won BPO. If BPO falls to (a), monopoly is upkept. If BPO falls to (b), auction winner will most likely be those with a great amount of ISK - typically those with existing BPOs, monopoly is upkept. What has changed? Nothing. Some ****ed off players who now worry about CCP changing the rules on them... Best if you don't seed additional BPOs, and even if you do CCP, please don't do it through lottery. (I have almost 1mil RP i think too) ----- Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes Redwolf > No Solar System can be found with 'c_ck' in the beginning its name. Jonask'ri
Ultimate Poison	Posted - 2006.11.30 08:32:00 - [66] Originally by: Jonask'ri If EXTRA T2 BPO's are reseeded through lottery, a fair number or most will fall into the hands of :- a)Those who already own T2 BPOs b)Those who want to make a quick ISK fortune by selling/auctioning said won BPO. If BPO falls to (a), monopoly is upkept. If BPO falls to (b), auction winner will most likely be those with a great amount of ISK - typically those with existing BPOs, monopoly is upkept. Like all things in life, nothing is certain. There is only a chance that the above happens, there might be a few people that actuall enjoy producing and selling T2 stuff, like me for example. So to increase the chance of people like me having a bpo, ensure that a large amount of bpo's are seeded into the market. And I'm not talking 20, but more than a 100 should be sufficient to break any monopoly, kartel or ogolopoly.
Gunstar Zero Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.30 08:40:00 - [67] Originally by: Xendie Originally by: Gunstar Zero I've got the same bug as others - I dont seem have a Crow BPO yet :-) are you still a crow addict? i dont think ive ever seen you fly anything else :) I'm a creature of habit
Za Po Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.30 09:14:00 - [68] I've been wondering what happens to T2 BPOs belonging to characters that get banned, deleted, no-longer-used, or blown up with the BPO in their cargo. I don't expect a large number of these, but then again, BPOs aren't many to begin with. I'm looking forward to this blog.
Busenlilly	Posted - 2006.11.30 09:54:00 - [69] Edited by: Busenlilly on 30/11/2006 09:54:36 Didnt they actually say somewhere that they are going to remove all already owned RPs and start over with Revelations? So newer players do have a chance to win a BPO? I heard about serveral people that were kinda upset because of that.
Shadowsword Gallente COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.11.30 10:02:00 - [70] Originally by: Jonask'ri People who think this will lower price of T2, please think about the following argument :- If EXTRA T2 BPO's are reseeded through lottery, a fair number or most will fall into the hands of :- a)Those who already own T2 BPOs b)Those who want to make a quick ISK fortune by selling/auctioning said won BPO. If BPO falls to (a), monopoly is upkept. If BPO falls to (b), auction winner will most likely be those with a great amount of ISK - typically those with existing BPOs, monopoly is upkept. What has changed? Nothing. Some ***ed off players who now worry about CCP changing the rules on them... That will be the case for most* BPOs, yes, but there will be some that will keep their bpos and start making money with it, too. Besides, that means: - Hundreds of billions, maybe trillions, will go into the hands of those who get lucky and auction their BPOs. - More supply = prices going down a fair bit, espescially for high-value items/ships. - More demand for those avanced materials components used for T2 -> the whole POS industry will benefit from it -> Big T2 producers will have to pay more to build T2 stuff. ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2006.11.30 10:07:00 - [71] Originally by: Busenlilly Edited by: Busenlilly on 30/11/2006 09:54:36 Didnt they actually say somewhere that they are going to remove all already owned RPs and start over with Revelations? So newer players do have a chance to win a BPO? I heard about serveral people that were kinda upset because of that. it's random. some people got Cerb bpos with 800 RP ------ relaxed corp looking for members
Xaildaine	Posted - 2006.11.30 10:09:00 - [72] Giving out T2 bpos in a lotto is a bad idea mmmk Hell ... T2 bpos themselves are a bad idea Why not a constant stream of Bpcs seeded through the lotto system weekly or monthly ... it would keep the market honest
Le Pecarosh	Posted - 2006.11.30 10:15:00 - [73] Seeding more T2 BPOs is not a solution to the problem. Problem being that many many many people are just tired of having to rat/mine/run missions for days, just to be able to buy 1 ship, or full rack of T2 launchers/guns. So, you'll seed more BPOs, and those BPOs will eventually end up with those who already have those T2 BPOs. Does CCP realize that many T2 BPO holders 'farm' (with their prices) so that they can get more ISK and get more T2 BPOs of same kind, so that they can keep on getting more and more ISK, so that they can get more monopoly on T2 production? The invention model was promising when it was announced, but implementation is... rather sad. If I invent something, I should have it forever. Not a **** 5-run BPC. If I invest time and ISK to train/get skills and datacores and whatever else - well, reward me with a chance to hold to my invention, not something temporary. For all I care, give me (as "invention") a T2 heavy missile launcher BPO, with extreme build times, so that I can produce 1-2 per day. I'd be happy, since I would be able to be self-sufficient (at least w/ T2 heavy missile launchers), and wouldn't need to rat/mine for days just to afford a rack of them. Invention involves LOTS more work than was needed to get T2 BPOs. What is the reasoning? And I am seriously tired of T2 BPO holders talking about "hard work they've put with research agents". I've managed to get R&D LVL4 agents in few days of CASUAL (few missions per day) LVL1/LVL2 mission running for agents from that corp. It took me more effort to get skills up to be able to effectively fit a Hawk w/ T2 standard launchers, then to start getting 70RP/day in High Physics Engineering (or something like that - not logged in now, can't check). Will be able to use 3 more agents in 4 days. Oh, it was REALLY lots of work...
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.11.30 10:48:00 - [74] The lottery is the WORST idea in the game. You have twenty people who put equal amounts of effort into obtaining research agents, and only one person gets a T2 BPO which will pay out billions of ISK a month for the rest of their EVE career. I am sure if CCP ran the actual numbers, <PeopleRunningL4Agents>/<T2BPOsSeeded> is a hell of a lot less than 20/1. We now have the ability to purchase items with RP, so the T2 BPO's should be able to be purchased with RP. Example pricing could be: - T2 Ammo BPO - 3 months Research with an Agent - T2 Frigate Modules - 6 months Research with an Agent - T2 Cruiser Modules/Frigate Hulls - 9 Months Reseach - T2 BS Modules/Cruiser Hulls - 12 Months Research The times could obviously be reduced by Skills and running research missions. There are enough T2 BPO's that the market would not be flooded, and the average research character would get 5-10 BPO's a year, which seems to be a reasonable amount to me.
Lord WarATron Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:01:00 - [75] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 30/11/2006 11:02:52 Is there any truth to the rumour that if you have, say, a million rp and CCP seed multiple bpos in your field, then you can claim em all. I.e You have a million RP 1. You get 5 Different Starship BPO offers. You have a week to claim 2. You claim the first. RP total is now 0 3. Wait a day for 100 RP Claim the second 4. RP is now 0. Repeat In other words - Tactical claiming of BPO's so you get more than 1 offer. I.E holding off claiming that t2 BPO for a few days to see if you get another offer :) --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:11:00 - [76] it's downtime !! my Doyenne is all warm and ready for you lovely bpos!! seriously got about 300k RP scattered on 2 chars =( ------ relaxed corp looking for members
VeNT Minmatar Freelancer Union Unaffiliated	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:31:00 - [77] Originally by: Splagada it's downtime !! my Doyenne is all warm and ready for you lovely bpos!! seriously got about 300k RP scattered on 2 chars =( only 300k? -------------------- Selena 001 > has VeNT left system? its gone really quiet!
Riggwelter Caldari Drinkers Appreciation Soiciety	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:32:00 - [78] Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 30/11/2006 11:02:52 Is there any truth to the rumour that if you have, say, a million rp and CCP seed multiple bpos in your field, then you can claim em all. I.e You have a million RP 1. You get 5 Different Starship BPO offers. You have a week to claim 2. You claim the first. RP total is now 0 3. Wait a day for 100 RP Claim the second 4. RP is now 0. Repeat In other words - Tactical claiming of BPO's so you get more than 1 offer. I.E holding off claiming that t2 BPO for a few days to see if you get another offer :) When you accept the 1st offer all of your RP's with that agent are consumed and you start again with zero. You might be extradoanly lucky and get another BPO offer with a small no of RP but these days with the vast no's of RP out there it is very very unlikly.
Lord WarATron Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:41:00 - [79] Originally by: Riggwelter Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 30/11/2006 11:02:52 Is there any truth to the rumour that if you have, say, a million rp and CCP seed multiple bpos in your field, then you can claim em all. I.e You have a million RP 1. You get 5 Different Starship BPO offers. You have a week to claim 2. You claim the first. RP total is now 0 3. Wait a day for 100 RP Claim the second 4. RP is now 0. Repeat In other words - Tactical claiming of BPO's so you get more than 1 offer. I.E holding off claiming that t2 BPO for a few days to see if you get another offer :) When you accept the 1st offer all of your RP's with that agent are consumed and you start again with zero. You might be extradoanly lucky and get another BPO offer with a small no of RP but these days with the vast no's of RP out there it is very very unlikly. Example - CCP run the formula and his number comes up on 1 of the Blueprints. Insted of claiming and loosing his RP, he waits 6 days so his RP can count Twice towards the next draw in that field. So lets say he got 3 offers then. He claims the first. Ok RP is now zero yeah? But those other 2 offers are still there...... so he waits however long it takes to get 1 rp and claims the second.... and so on. That is different from what you are saying. What I am saying is that this guy can tactically abuse the lottery to increase his chances of claiming BPO's for 1rp each --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
JerryB	Posted - 2006.11.30 14:56:00 - [80] Why continue with this lottery? Is there nothing more active to imagine for research activities? That's really boring to wait since 1 year 1/2 for nothing with nothing to do for my researcher job
Mamulos	Posted - 2006.11.30 16:02:00 - [81] I have in total 6 acccounts, with 66 R & D agents with all field, and guess what my agents didnt give me anything in the past patch ;-) i hope ill get some on this patch
Montaire Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.30 16:16:00 - [82] Originally by: Lord WarATron Example - CCP run the formula and his number comes up on 1 of the Blueprints. Insted of claiming and loosing his RP, he waits 6 days so his RP can count Twice towards the next draw in that field. So lets say he got 3 offers then. He claims the first. Ok RP is now zero yeah? But those other 2 offers are still there...... so he waits however long it takes to get 1 rp and claims the second.... and so on. That is different from what you are saying. What I am saying is that this guy can tactically abuse the lottery to increase his chances of claiming BPO's for 1rp each Nope. When you get one offer it takes you out of the pool for more offers untill you accept or decline. If you accept, you get your BPO and then go back into the pool with whatever RP you gain daily. If you decline your block of RP is put back into the pool for future seeding.
JeanPierre	Posted - 2006.11.30 16:30:00 - [83] Originally by: Mack Dorgeans Well, nice! I hope we see more prints soon. For heaven's sake, though, SEED THEM IN STAGES. The market doesn't need a sudden huge influx of new T2 production. It would probably be fairest to the current T2 BPO holders (myself included) to seed in additional existing BPOs in the order they were first released and staggered somewhat. Fairest? Oh come on. I've never begrudged you Insta-Money guys your BPO's, never complained about the lottery to my knowledge, but don't start whining about "fair" after you've had such a long time to milk the market as you have, based on little more than having the luck to get a T2 BPO. It's fine you've had this time and such, good on you, but "fair"? Lordy be. As you guys are so often fond of reminding others when they complain that you have T2 BPO's and they don't, life ain't fair. Geesh. Now I've heard it all.
Mr Vrix Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.11.30 16:40:00 - [84] Its actually a catch 22 situation. If your fortunate enough to own a T2 BPO, your more likely to let the Rp`s roll along. If you do not own a T2 BPO, your more likely to exchange the RP`s for the datacores. Not saying it will be that way for everyone, but it is a dilema I am thinking about now, not owning a BPO but have a stack of RP`s. I was thinking about using something in-game already. We gain RP`s from doing two things, let the RP`s roll along, or do missions for the agents, and gain more RP`s that way. Would it be possible say, the rolled RP`s go towards the lottery, and the mission RP`s go towards datacores? That maybe the wrong way round, but if there was some sort of exchange feature, say 10 rolled over for 5 mission RP`s, that sort of thing then everyone could be happy. Hopefully I put the idea down correctly.
Mack Dorgeans Camelot Innovations	Posted - 2006.11.30 17:26:00 - [85] Everyone complains about T2 BPO seeding until they win one. The fact is, all the times I've won (Basilisk, Nemesis, Astarte, Piranha Fury, and Skiff), I had worked up points by doing daily missions for the agents. Three of the wins were from agents in low-sec, where fewer players are likely to have points built up. I played the percentages and got lucky. I sold the missile print after a little research done to it, sold the Skiff after it had lost most of its value, and traded the Basilisk for an Oneiros print. The Nemesis isn't even worth building for the profit margin it has in most markets, so I make BPCs out of it. Obviously the Astarte is my pride and joy, and it does make good money, but it is by no means on the level of a HAC BPO or some of the nicer modules. Sure, I could sell it for a large cash infusion and wisely invest that cash to make myself money faster than I do by building Astartes, but I LIKE to build things. My corpmates also like that they can get at-cost Astartes to fly. I'm all for a better system than the lottery, but invention isn't it, at least not yet. Invention is an interesting concept, but so far it looks like it's a lot more work for a poor-stats BPC. The lottery may not be great, but it's a system anyone can use. I know a guy who got a Crane BPO with a level 1 agent he never did missions for and had only built up 11k points with. If a player wants T2 prints and doesn't at least have one agent running, they have no room to complain about the system. As far as my suggestion for seeding additional copies of the older BPOs over time rather than all in one period of a few months, it doesn't help me personally in any way. If they're all seeded quickly, I have better chances to win more because I have several agents with a lot of points right now, and the longer it takes for the BPOs to be awarded, the more players (and points) there are competing with me. As for my "monopoly" on the prints I currently own, again most of them have thin profit margins and won't be significantly affected by any form of additional T2 BPO seeding, lottery or not. The only one I stand much chance of losing profits on is the Astarte, but again I like having the print because my friends and I can fly the ship, so I'll never sell it. People can whine at T2 BPO owners like me all they want if it makes them feel better, but the bottom line is no matter what the system, some people are going to have multiple T2 BPOs and others will have none. If it were more of a direct system where you had to do x, y, and z to be guaranteed of getting a BPO, you can be sure the big production corps and alliances with the largest resources and manpower are going to find ways to corner the market on the prints. In my mind, that's even worse than the random system we have now. If it were up to me, all T2 BPOs would go directly to the markets once all the lottery copies have been in circulation for maybe 1.5 to 2 years, but it will never happen. I also think copy times on T2 should be equal to build times, which would give T2 BPO owners more reason to make BPCs and then get them into the hands of people who want to skill for building T2 but don't own their own BPOs. But, hey, that's just my opinion.
Kahor Minmatar Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.30 17:51:00 - [86] Edited by: Kahor on 30/11/2006 17:55:11 Hehe, after telling us one year ago that CCP (and noone for that matter) wasn't happy with the way t2 bpos were seeded, they do it all over again. I am sorry but this is just plain stupid, seed t2 bpos, but not through a lottery. thank you. ---------------- An eye for an eye make a whole world blind.
Dreamdancer Minmatar Ceryshen Strategic Analysis Vanu Space Command	Posted - 2006.11.30 18:01:00 - [87] Quick question... Has any of the T2 rigging BPO's been seeded yet? The T2 rigs are listed on the market but have yet to see one for sale. Of course considering the salvaged bits required to make them and the time consuming effort to get those said bits they may simply not have had time to start cranking them out yet. We are recruiting!
Chunzen Frunghen Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2006.11.30 18:13:00 - [88] Edited by: Chunzen Frunghen on 30/11/2006 18:19:46 Edited by: Chunzen Frunghen on 30/11/2006 18:18:04 The lottery is really something hard to win, and lots of players are somewhat disapointed with invention. i personaly think that is too early to know what will change in the t2 market from now on... If after some time invention turns on a failure, then CCP should make a way that players can get t2 BPOS from invention. The invention should be made using a t1 BPO, and if the invention process fail, you loose the BPO , if everything goes right you get a "special edition" T2 bpo. These Bpos should be very ineficient, no Me/Pe research on them, and the manufacturing time should be really high (maybe around 10 times the normal t2 bpo production time, maybe more depending of the item). This way, small corps will have a (slow) way to produce tech 2 items and this can bring more fair prices to some t2 items and ships. Sorry if my english is not good at all...
Matori Kar	Posted - 2006.11.30 18:18:00 - [89] Just seed all the god**** T2 BPOs to the market and leave the whole thing in the hands of the T2 component/material producers, which is what the fracking T2 market should be based on Caldari: Don't have to worry about transversal, falloff/optimal, cap, tracking, how your damage type is being tanked,ship speed, the direction you are moving... etc. Easy Mode w00t!!
BlueIceQueen	Posted - 2006.11.30 18:46:00 - [90] Matori Kar how bout no....... seeding the prints to the extent of them being like t1 is a joke i think it was said best in the blueprints chan last night. those of you already looking to get t2 prints through RnD are to greedy. you get new content and demand more. cant you guys just be happy with what has been released so far?

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